Why is Russia so brutal?

[AsiaCel]

Almost no other nations fought like the Russians did; throughout 19th-21st century, it has fought with extreme brutality.

This isn't how it works in China, which was also a Mongol colony, which followed Russia closely as a 'big brother' before 1970s. In China, there was a doctrine called People's War — it was designed to support guerilla actions via winning hearts and minds in rural areas.

The funny thing is that, our countries were supposed to have limitless ties, but the behavior and the institutionalized brutality, if acknowledged in full, would be viewed with horror and contempt.

Garbage equipment designed to drive from point A to point B and die:

Man-eating BTRs, ultracramped tanks, blind radar warning receivers aka SPO-15 even when they had digital computers (MiG-29/Su-27)

Meat assaults:

Russia uses its men as disposable cannon fodder by putting them on donkeys, unarmored golf carts, bikes, and finally sending the men on a one way trip as a reconnaissance device for more experienced troops behind.

Retreating is punished by barrier troops.

Terror bombing as a tactic:

Russian forces put Circassian heads on poles during the Circassian war, slaughtered central Asians, crushed China dongbei, treated its supposed allies with brutality (Poland in ww2), dropped toy-shaped mines into Afghanistan, leveled towns in Chechen wars, bombed hospitals and crowded apartments in Syria and Ukraine.

They do it repeatedly using highly accurate precision weapons, so these cannot be said to be accidents.

This doctrine is called Strategic Operation for the Destruction of Critically Important Targets (SODCIT).

Dedovshchina:

Internally, Russian soldiers are routinely abused by their superiors, with high rates of death and injury.

Glorifying war crimes:

Russians, unlike other people, do not operate with the "we did not do it, we HELP them" mindset but "we blow them" mindset to establish total dominance through sheer brutality; its civilians even have the Human Safari network where people cheer on civilians being bombed.

Many units are shameless about it, like the 155th Naval infantry unit, of which they recorded a video threatening Ukrainians by placing their heads on poles.

Grenade suicide:

Russians blow themselves up with grenades because they expect to be tortured (after what they did to others) or shot by their barrier troops.

Conclusion:

WTF is wrong with Russia? Even if you're a Russian nationalist, brutality destroys hearts and minds campaigns, destroys morale, and is very, very bad PR for little to no military gains.

The fact that Russian society does not try to justify their war crimes, and instead air them proudly, shows that they lack compassion and decency; they do not know that maiming civilians is morally bankrupt.

No nation is free of blood but they at least try to justify what they do, hide it, or have shifted to more rational, less brutal tactics, in the modern days.

I'm not entirely anti-Russia (they are a useful barrier against NATO), but these traits made it highly disturbing to have as a neighbor, at least in regards to civilian relations; these military tactics are a total joke in the era of high tech warfare (our country produces more than enough ammo that human waves are useless, and they can't fight without our chips).

 

[nihilum]

Russia and Ukraine use their men as disposable cannon fodder.

 

[cathuluelitist]

I just started reading Figes history of Russia and the Russians performed so poorly in ww1 there was a relatively popular theory that the Russian nobility were covert German spies who were deliberately attempting to lose the conflict in order to aid Germany. I find it especially funny that since the tzar was the cousin of kaiser wilhelm and having a German wife, the tzar at the time had a lot of German ancestry. Ethnic Germans from within Russia made up a good portion of their leadership. Utterly humiliating.

 

[Shaktiman]

you are just repeating usual western rhetoric against Russia.

 

[ANTAGONIST]

Russian territories need to be split up and given to nearing countries and also give independence to the ethnic minorities

 

[Trident]

russian territories need to be split up and given to nearing countries and also give independence to the ethnic minorities

this is the only way

 

[proudweeb]

I just started reading Figes history of Russia and the Russians performed so poorly in ww1 there was a relatively popular theory that the Russian nobility were covert German spies who were deliberately attempting to lose the conflict in order to aid Germany. I find it especially funny that since the tzar was the cousin of kaiser wilhelm and having a German wife, the tzar at the time had a lot of German ancestry. Ethnic Germans from within Russia made up a good portion of their leadership. Utterly humiliating.

Many of the important Russian generals were actually Baltic Germans as well

The fact that Russia even went to war with Germany and Austria-Hungary, just 9 years after being utterly crushed by Japan, was a terrible idea. Japan at the time was a fledgling power that just 35 years earlier had been fighting with samurai swords. Meanwhile, Germany had the most powerful army in the world at the time.

 

[proudweeb]

Russia has pretty much always been this way, then again most countries were until westoids invented the concept of "muh war crimes"

Russia is a land power with massive borders and wide plains, so military force was always really the only way to defend and expand the state

Plus, after the brutality that Russia went through in WW2, all of the things you listed probably seem pretty minor and "normal" to them. They lost 27 million people back then, so many Russians are pretty numb to that sort of thing.

 

[Trident]

you are just repeating usual western rhetoric against Russia.

Everything said there is true. This war has only proved that all these "stereotypes" and "Western propaganda" are completely based on reality.

 

[Mohamedömar]

Russia and Ukraine use their men as disposable cannon fodder.

 

[cathuluelitist]

Many of the important Russian generals were actually Baltic Germans as well

The fact that Russia even went to war with Germany and Austria-Hungary, just 9 years after being utterly crushed by Japan, was a terrible idea. Japan at the time was a fledgling power that just 35 years earlier had been fighting with samurai swords. Meanwhile, Germany had the most powerful army in the world at the time.

And, reading about Stolypin is depressing. He was minister before WW1 and tried to do land reform to forestall the revolution. He was destroyed by special interest. He belongs to a vein of very brilliant people in history who realized exactly what was wrong with their societies but were stopped by special interests. Other people of this type are Vaubain, the Gracchi brothers, Eisenhower, Bismarck or even Donald Trump or Enoch Powell (maybe actually Churchill) I would say.

 

[cathuluelitist]

And, reading about Stolypin is depressing. He was minister before WW1 and tried to do land reform to forestall the revolution. He was destroyed by special interest. He belongs to a vein of very brilliant people in history who realized exactly what was wrong with their societies but were stopped by special interests. Other people of this type are Vaubain, the Gracchi brothers, Eisenhower, Bismarck or even Donald Trump or Enoch Powell (maybe actually Churchill) I would say.

Churchill insofar the fact that he was an ardent isolationist until he very obviously sold his personhood to the warburgs. His contribution to the jewish cause will not go unrecognized though.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Internalized Slavpill and culture-wide learned helplessness from, for centuries, living with the mindset that their lives are bad and they are second-rate to the West and nothing they can do or try will change that.

 

[Pikacel]

@Anarcho Nihilist drop ur take on this

 

[Vinícius truecel]

Russia and all those faggot dictators deserve to be exterminated.

 

[Trident]

Russia and all those faggot dictators deserve to be exterminated.

based

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Almost no other nations fought like the Russians did; throughout 19th-21st century, it has fought with extreme brutality.

This isn't how it works in China, which was also a Mongol colony, which followed Russia closely as a 'big brother' before 1970s. In China, there was a doctrine called People's War — it was designed to support guerilla actions via winning hearts and minds in rural areas.

After Stalin's death, Mao considered himself the world's number one communist, and he began to develop his own ideological branches of communism to establish a communist party center in Beijing rather than Moscow. The only reason for the early (1949-1956) friendship between the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China was the latter's dependence on the former, as few countries recognized the PRC as a legitimate nation. Mao also sent his son to the Soviet Union for education (there is a theory that Stalin used this as a leverage tactic). Mao did not like Mongolia's independence, but he was forced to recognize it anyway. Stalin could also take back Eastern Turkestan (Xinjiang) if they disobeyed, as it had its own separatist government until 1949, which flew to Moscow for negotiations, but their plane crashed just before the signing of the 1949 Soviet-Chinese Treaty of Friendship.
The USSR and China were never allies, and the USSR did not send ground troops to the Korean War, despite Mao's demands, opting instead for air force and naval forces. Mao also requested the Soviet Pacific Fleet for an amphibious assault on Taiwan, but the USSR declined. Additionally, the USSR did not support China in the 1962 Sino-Indian War.
It all ended with border skirmishes in 1968 on Damansky Island (Genbao) and on the border with Kazakhstan, after which diplomatic relations were severed until the late 1980s.

The funny thing is that, our countries were supposed to have limitless ties, but the behavior and the institutionalized brutality, if acknowledged in full, would be viewed with horror and contempt.

Garbage equipment designed to drive from point A to point B and die:

Man-eating BTRs, ultracramped tanks, blind radar warning receivers aka SPO-15 even when they had digital computers (MiG-29/Su-27)

Meat assaults:

Russia uses its men as disposable cannon fodder by putting them on donkeys, unarmored golf carts, bikes, and finally sending the men on a one way trip as a reconnaissance device for more experienced troops behind.

Retreating is punished by barrier troops.

Because a human life is worth nothing in a country with a raw materials economy. Russia is not a country of industrial capital, where a person is valuable because they provide labor that can be sent to a factory. Russia is simply a place where gas and oil are extracted from the ground. Margaret Thatcher once said that Russia only needed 30 million people to operate its oil rigs and gas fields, extract gas and oil, and transport it to the West. There are few factories and plants in Russia, in fact most of the jobs are waiters, couriers, sellers cashiers, etc. that is the service sector dominates over industry, and this area is easy to notice by migrants. Therefore, there is no value of human life, Russian elites do not spare people, because the source of money for them is oil and gas. Secondly, the Russian elite is made up of unprincipled people with an extremely cynical and nihilistic worldview. They don't believe in anything, and they can quickly change their ideology. Most of the current Russian rulers were members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and pretended to be ardent communists, but once the 1990s arrived, they became ardent capitalists and fans of Ayn Rand. Of course, the Russian ruling class is made up of cynics, nihilists, and sadists who have no mercy on their subjects.

Terror bombing as a tactic:

Russian forces put Circassian heads on poles during the Circassian war, slaughtered central Asians, crushed China dongbei, treated its supposed allies with brutality (Poland in ww2), dropped toy-shaped mines into Afghanistan, leveled towns in Chechen wars, bombed hospitals and crowded apartments in Syria and Ukraine.

They do it repeatedly using highly accurate precision weapons, so these cannot be said to be accidents.

This doctrine is called Strategic Operation for the Destruction of Critically Important Targets (SODCIT).

Russia has always fought this way: if it retreats, it burns everything behind it so that the enemy doesn't get it. If it advances, it uses the tactic of a wall of fire, where it burns everything with artillery before sending its infantry to clear the ruins.

Dedovshchina:

Internally, Russian soldiers are routinely abused by their superiors, with high rates of death and injury.

Yes, because Russia doesn't have an ideology, and it's difficult to explain to a soldier why they should die and for what. It's easier for Russia to intimidate its soldiers so that they fear their officers more than enemy soldiers.

Glorifying war crimes:

Russians, unlike other people, do not operate with the "we did not do it, we HELP them" mindset but "we blow them" mindset to establish total dominance through sheer brutality; its civilians even have the Human Safari network where people cheer on civilians being bombed.

Many units are shameless about it, like the 155th Naval infantry unit, of which they recorded a video threatening Ukrainians by placing their heads on poles.

This is due to the fact that the average Russian has no rights, which means that any rich person or politician can run them over with their Lamborghini and piss on them without facing any punishment. Russia is a feudal state, and most Russians are powerless peasants who are constantly humiliated by their police officers and government officials. Therefore, when they get their hands on a weapon, they want to take revenge on someone for their own humiliation.

Grenade suicide:

Russians blow themselves up with grenades because they expect to be tortured (after what they did to others) or shot by their barrier troops.

Voluntary surrender is punishable by up to 7 years in prison and is a crime under the Russian Criminal Code.

Conclusion:

WTF is wrong with Russia? Even if you're a Russian nationalist, brutality destroys hearts and minds campaigns, destroys morale, and is very, very bad PR for little to no military gains.

The fact that Russian society does not try to justify their war crimes, and instead air them proudly, shows that they lack compassion and decency; they do not know that maiming civilians is morally bankrupt.

Russians are cruel to each other, so it's unlikely that they would feel sorry for anyone. Russian society is highly atomized, which means that there is a low level of trust and mutual support. If you suddenly feel unwell and fall, no one will call an ambulance or provide first aid. If you get into trouble, your friends will forget about you. The typical Russian's circle of concern is limited to their immediate family. Russians don't care about anything outside their own backyard or family. Russia is an immoral, lonely, and cruel society.

No nation is free of blood but they at least try to justify what they do, hide it, or have shifted to more rational, less brutal tactics, in the modern days.
I'm not entirely anti-Russia (they are a useful barrier against NATO), but these traits made it highly disturbing to have as a neighbor, at least in regards to civilian relations; these military tactics are a total joke in the era of high tech warfare (our country produces more than enough ammo that human waves are useless, and they can't fight without our chips).

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Internalized Slavpill and culture-wide learned helplessness from, for centuries, living with the mindset that their lives are bad and they are second-rate to the West and nothing they can do or try will change that.

Yes, it's a kind of Slavic fatalism multiplied by the Finno-Ugric mentality, which leads people to self-destruction through alcoholism or suicide instead of fighting. Many people forget that Russia is not only a Slavic country, but it has also experienced a significant Finno-Ugric influence. In fact, the lands of Russia (the northeast of Kievan Rus) It was inhabited by the Finno-Ugrians, but when the Slavs came and conquered the area, they converted the local Finno-Ugric population to the Slavic language and assimilated them.

 

[Emba]

Brutal patriotic war criminal crimes bro

 

[cursed]

Spoiler

After Stalin's death, Mao considered himself the world's number one communist, and he began to develop his own ideological branches of communism to establish a communist party center in Beijing rather than Moscow. The only reason for the early (1949-1956) friendship between the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China was the latter's dependence on the former, as few countries recognized the PRC as a legitimate nation. Mao also sent his son to the Soviet Union for education (there is a theory that Stalin used this as a leverage tactic). Mao did not like Mongolia's independence, but he was forced to recognize it anyway. Stalin could also take back Eastern Turkestan (Xinjiang) if they disobeyed, as it had its own separatist government until 1949, which flew to Moscow for negotiations, but their plane crashed just before the signing of the 1949 Soviet-Chinese Treaty of Friendship.
The USSR and China were never allies, and the USSR did not send ground troops to the Korean War, despite Mao's demands, opting instead for air force and naval forces. Mao also requested the Soviet Pacific Fleet for an amphibious assault on Taiwan, but the USSR declined. Additionally, the USSR did not support China in the 1962 Sino-Indian War.
It all ended with border skirmishes in 1968 on Damansky Island (Genbao) and on the border with Kazakhstan, after which diplomatic relations were severed until the late 1980s.

Because a human life is worth nothing in a country with a raw materials economy. Russia is not a country of industrial capital, where a person is valuable because they provide labor that can be sent to a factory. Russia is simply a place where gas and oil are extracted from the ground. Margaret Thatcher once said that Russia only needed 30 million people to operate its oil rigs and gas fields, extract gas and oil, and transport it to the West. There are few factories and plants in Russia, in fact most of the jobs are waiters, couriers, sellers cashiers, etc. that is the service sector dominates over industry, and this area is easy to notice by migrants. Therefore, there is no value of human life, Russian elites do not spare people, because the source of money for them is oil and gas. Secondly, the Russian elite is made up of unprincipled people with an extremely cynical and nihilistic worldview. They don't believe in anything, and they can quickly change their ideology. Most of the current Russian rulers were members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and pretended to be ardent communists, but once the 1990s arrived, they became ardent capitalists and fans of Ayn Rand. Of course, the Russian ruling class is made up of cynics, nihilists, and sadists who have no mercy on their subjects.

Russia has always fought this way: if it retreats, it burns everything behind it so that the enemy doesn't get it. If it advances, it uses the tactic of a wall of fire, where it burns everything with artillery before sending its infantry to clear the ruins.

Yes, because Russia doesn't have an ideology, and it's difficult to explain to a soldier why they should die and for what. It's easier for Russia to intimidate its soldiers so that they fear their officers more than enemy soldiers.

This is due to the fact that the average Russian has no rights, which means that any rich person or politician can run them over with their Lamborghini and piss on them without facing any punishment. Russia is a feudal state, and most Russians are powerless peasants who are constantly humiliated by their police officers and government officials. Therefore, when they get their hands on a weapon, they want to take revenge on someone for their own humiliation.

Voluntary surrender is punishable by up to 7 years in prison and is a crime under the Russian Criminal Code.

Russians are cruel to each other, so it's unlikely that they would feel sorry for anyone. Russian society is highly atomized, which means that there is a low level of trust and mutual support. If you suddenly feel unwell and fall, no one will call an ambulance or provide first aid. If you get into trouble, your friends will forget about you. The typical Russian's circle of concern is limited to their immediate family. Russians don't care about anything outside their own backyard or family. Russia is an immoral, lonely, and cruel society.

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