Serious Why I'm not a misanthrope.

[Puzzle]

Am I the only one here who isn't a misanthrope? After delving into history, I believe that humans are good and that they cooperate with each other when there are no institutions; it is institutions that bring out the worst in us. Based on archaeological records, it seems clear to me that humans are not inherently violent and that women do not have an extremely hypergamous nature.

Power structures tend to select those who want status. Throughout the Paleolithic era, if you sought high status, you were likely to die early rather than gain access to power and women. Today, the system favors a tiny fraction of the population who have traits of the dark triad.

 

[mariomariuss]

I am misanthrope and nihilist

 

[Puzzle]

I am misanthrope and nihilist

cancerous ideologies that are the product of current society

 

[nakolas]

I am misanthrope and nihilist

 

[TimeMachineOrLDAR]

Am I the only one here who isn't a misanthrope? After delving into history, I believe that humans are good and that they cooperate with each other when there are no institutions; it is institutions that bring out the worst in us. Based on archaeological records, it seems clear to me that humans are not inherently violent and that women do not have an extremely hypergamous nature.

Power structures tend to select those who want status. Throughout the Paleolithic era, if you sought high status, you were likely to die early rather than gain access to power and women. Today, the system favors a tiny fraction of the population who have traits of the dark triad.

So you're saying people are just players?

 

[Puzzle]

So you're saying people are just players?

I'm saying that human behavior is highly context-dependent. People aren't inherently selfish or manipulative, but systems can reward certain behaviors like seeking power or status or the 5% Chads

In many hunter-gatherer societies, mate choice is less tied to status and more to traits like generosity, social skills, and provisioning.

 

[Junkie]

Based on archaeological records, it seems clear to me that humans are not inherently violent

You fell for the myth of the peaceful savage. Warfare and genocide were very common in prehistoric times. You're coming at this from a Rousseaunian perspective. Savage people were not noble and peaceful, they killed, raped, looted, and did a lot of nasty things.

 

[Puzzle]

You fell for the myth of the peaceful savage. Warfare and genocide were very common in prehistoric times. You're coming at this from a Rousseaunian perspective. Savage people were not noble and peaceful, they killed, raped, looted, and did a lot of nasty things.

And what you are spitting out is the Hobbesian Hypothesis which has enormous ideological bias.

Truth is that there is no widespread evidence of mass warfare before the Neolithic agricultural revolution , think about it, war requires surplus, property and territoriality. which does not exist among hunter gatherers.

Of course there are rare and isolated findings of violence but it is far from the Hobbesian vision which saw them as brutish and short. It's even the opposite, they had better teeth and were taller.

 

[Caichan]

cancerous ideologies that are the product of current society

a current society which is bad. that’s why we adopted these ideologies

 

[Junkie]

And what you are spitting out is the Hobbesian Hypothesis which has enormous ideological bias.

Nope. I'm not in favor of the authoritarian style of government that Hobbes proposed because I don't believe that humans are inherently violent and evil. I don't believe they are inherently peaceful and good, either. Some people are born inclined to do good and others are born inclined to do evil. I've always been a defender of individual freedoms and smaller governments.

Truth is that there is no widespread evidence of mass warfare before the Neolithic agricultural revolution , think about it, war requires surplus, property and territoriality. which does not exist among hunter gatherers.

Valid point, but that's not the same as humans being peaceful. They just didn't have the means to cause as much harm back then. There is evidence that prehistoric humans committed atrocities, though. They had to. Those were rough times.

Of course there are rare and isolated findings of violence but it is far from the Hobbesian vision which saw them as brutish and short. It's even the opposite, they had better teeth and were taller.

Agreed. I'm not a Hobbesian. People definitely had superior immune systems and more suitable bodies even prior to the first industrial revolution in the 1800s. But don't fall prey to this idea that prehistoric humans were noble. They weren't. A lot of humans were wicked like they are today.

 

[Puzzle]

a current society which is bad. that’s why we adopted these ideologies

True

 

[Caichan]

True

it doesn’t matter if im a misanthropist or a humanitarian i’ll still be hated regardless. due to uncontrollable things

 

[Puzzle]

I don't believe they are inherently peaceful and good, either. Some people are born inclined to do good and others are born inclined to do evil. I've always been a defender of individual freedoms and smaller governments.

As I pointed out above, systems today reward certain behaviors that are among the dark triad, in a system that encourages cooperation you will reduce the chances of seeing inherently bad humans because they do not survive in this context. You're just spewing the healthy gamer gg bullshit that only the fittest survive and that the dating market today is natural jfl :


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mefGxK10bWQ

They just didn't have the means to cause as much harm back then. There is evidence that prehistoric humans committed atrocities, though. They had to. Those were rough times.

There is no tangible evidence of what you're saying here , yet I would be able to give you a long list of atrocities that were committed after agriculture

But don't fall prey to this idea that prehistoric humans were noble. They weren't. A lot of humans were wicked like they are today.

I am talking here about equity, today all the evidence shows that industrialization has exacerbated competitiveness.

 

[Junkie]

As I pointed out above, systems today reward certain behaviors that are among the dark triad, in a system that encourages cooperation you will reduce the chances of seeing inherently bad humans because they do not survive in this context. You're just spewing the healthy gamer gg bullshit that only the fittest survive and that the dating market today is natural jfl :


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mefGxK10bWQ



There is no tangible evidence of what you're saying here , yet I would be able to give you a long list of atrocities that were committed after agriculture


I am talking here about equity, today all the evidence shows that industrialization has exacerbated competitiveness.

Man, I'm too burned out to debate anyone. Let's say you're right for the sake of my peace of mind.

 

[xxectrapieces]

I am misanthrope and nihilist

 

[WastedPotential]

I'm saying that human behavior is highly context-dependent. People aren't inherently selfish or manipulative, but systems can reward certain behaviors like seeking power or status or the 5% Chads

In many hunter-gatherer societies, mate choice is less tied to status and more to traits like generosity, social skills, and provisioning.

Yeah but we don't live in those societies anymore, we haven't for tens of thousands of years and we never will anymore for the foreseeable future. Let alone in our lifetime. The reality is that we live in a competitive, selfish and superficial society. What about that is not to hate? Not to mention, that foids are the main beneficiaries of this system, they don't even have to compete. So yes I am a misanthrope.

 

[psycho123]

I am misanthrope and nihilist