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Serious Why I think a "return to patriarchy" is hilariously unrealistic

Hitler failed because all the world controlled by Jews, bankers, and commies literally rose up to oppose him.
Hitler failed because he attacked the Soviet Union. Had this dumb mule conceded some ground to Molotov in december 1940, he could have stayed friends with the Soviets and finished the UK off before moving on the USA with the help of Japan. Stalin had absolutely no intention of attacking Germany.
 
Stalin had absolutely no intention of attacking Germany.
Hmm I remember there was a book that exposed stalin’s secret plans of attacking Germany, and that’s why hitler took action.
 
Hmm I remember there was a book that exposed stalin’s secret plans of attacking Germany, and that’s why hitler took action.
Yes, it's called Icebreaker by Suvorov. But you're not supposed to take seriously every fringe book peddled on StormFront, are you? Most of the evidence is that Stalin was not preparing an attack on Germany at the time Hitler attacked, and that Stalin genuinely believed in the friendship of Hitler.
 
But you're not supposed to take seriously every fringe book peddled on StormFront, are you?

Low IQ argument tbh. Just because one Nazi site lists it, doesn’t mean that the book might not credible at all. This is like liberals saying “discredit everything coming from breitbart cuz it’s a right wing website
You can not reject data/books, simply because you do not like the website or source at which they are located. Guilt by association.
 
Low IQ argument tbh. Just because one Nazi site lists it, doesn’t mean that the book might not credible at all. This is like liberals saying “discredit everything coming from breitbart cuz it’s a right wing website
Suvorov is pretty much disproved by every regular historian. His theories are fringe as fuck. You can blame anti-nazi bias for that, but be careful not to stray away too much from mainstream historians; I've done that before, and you can get burned by cranks.
 
Suvorov is pretty much disproved by every regular historian. His theories are fringe as fuck. You can blame anti-nazi bias for that, but be careful not to stray away too much from mainstream historians; I've done that before, and you can get burned by cranks.
Proof? Never heard of the book myself but I’m sure there are many other books than this one.
 
>blaming yourself

gay.
 
I mean no one thought giving femoid the right to vote would lead up to this. Feminism was slowly built up over decades and we are seeing the results maybe the same can happen to men. The amount of men being screwed over by the government, courts, laws and femoids is grewing a lot this remorse may be built up in a few years or decades and we may have some sort of patriachry. Basically what I'm trying to say this may run in full circle
 
Suvorov is pretty much disproved by every regular historian. His theories are fringe as fuck. You can blame anti-nazi bias for that, but be careful not to stray away too much from mainstream historians; I've done that before, and you can get burned by cranks.
Even a UK source admitted that Stalin actually wanted to ally with France and Britain to stop hitler in 1939, but because they didn’t agree, he went to Germany to make a peace.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html
 
Even a UK source admitted that Stalin actually wanted to ally with France and Britain to stop hitler in 1939, but because they didn’t agree, he went to Germany to make a peace.
Yeah no shit... But then the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact happened. Look it up. Stalin gobbled up the Nazis' new intentions of peace. Ribbentrop was so dismayed by Hitler's decision to betray the Soviet Union that he was almost fainting on the 22nd of June 1941, according to Anthony Beevor's Stalingrad.

It was not in Stalin's interest after 1939 to move on Germany. His best interests were to wait until Germany defeated the UK and the USA, then perhaps, indeed, move on a weakened Germany.
 
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Btw the book regarding that author is controversial and maybe not convincing (similar to Alfred Kinsey and how the cucks call him “debunked”), but not refuted. There’s still a debate about the topic.

http://www.inquiriesjournal.com/amp...urrounding-the-origins-of-the-nazi-soviet-war
Put yourself in Stalin's place: your worst enemies are fighting viciously and bombing themselves to oblivion. Do you attack them, or wait until they have finished bleeding themselves? If Stalin were to attack Germany, he would have waited until the very end... same way the US intervened in WW1 at the very end... it made no sense for him to attack in 1941.

On the 22nd of June, there were almost no defenses at the frontier, no troop accumulation at all... the Soviet military was also completely disorganized... strange for a country that was supposed to be ready to invade Germany!
 
Put yourself in Stalin's place: your worst enemies are fighting viciously and bombing themselves to oblivion. Do you attack them, or wait until they have finished bleeding themselves? If Stalin were to attack Germany, he would have waited until the very end... same way the US intervened in WW1 at the very end... it made no sense for him to attack in 1941.

On the 22nd of June, there were almost no defenses at the frontier, no troop accumulation at all... the Soviet military was also completely disorganized... strange for a country that was supposed to be ready to invade Germany!
I agree it might have been a mistake tbh, btw what’s your stance on the holocaust?
 
I've never talked about "blaming yourself", but blaming your genes. Sizeable difference here.

I'm pretty egocentric so that won't happen either.
 
I agree it might have been a mistake tbh, btw what’s your stance on the holocaust?
It was the worst strategic mistake in the military history of man. It doomed Germany to death. It may even have doomed the West to death. Hitler probably doesn't deserve to bear alone this mistake on his shoulders; after all, his intelligence services had repeatedly told him inaccuracies about the strength of the Soviets. The Soviets had always actually been far stronger than the Germans; they had a vastly superior tank, for instance (the T34). And they had already implemented techniques of mass production. Only their aviation was inferior. So much for Slavic inferiority...
what’s your stance on the holocaust?
Aspects of it might have been exaggerated by the Allies and the Jews, but you have to be very ignorant of the data to deny that persecution of Jews, including murder, has happened a lot during WW2. If only on the Ostfront...
 
Underage sex is illegal, but that doesn't stop anyone.

That’s why I propose an idea to restore women to being property
If they have to go outside they gotta be accompanied by a guardian
No education, nothing
Father decides when she gets married and picks the male from probably a similar status family to marry her
 
That’s why I propose an idea to restore women to being property
If they have to go outside they gotta be accompanied by a guardian
No education, nothing
Father decides when she gets married and picks the male from probably a similar status family to marry her
Move to the middle east, then
 
Aspects of it might have been exaggerated by the Allies and the Jews, but you have to be very ignorant of the data to deny that persecution of Jews, including murder, has happened a lot during WW2. If only on the Ostfront...
One thing that revisionists don’t deny is the einstatprugen or some shit like that, but there’s a lot of questions regarding these “death” camps and shit
Used to be pretty into this stuff (I still believe a lot of it was fabricated), but now I’m mainly LDARING
Move to the middle east, then
Why not turn western society into traditional Christendom and white shariah like it always was before the 1900s
 
I agree with the spirit of your post, but it's retarded to blame "your genes" they are inpersonal/blind mechanisms. One can blame his parents, but not his genes, it makes absolutely no sense to blame genes or to blame oneself for being ugly.
 
I agree with the spirit of your post, but it's retarded to blame "your genes" they are inpersonal/blind mechanisms. One can blame his parents, but not his genes, it makes absolutely no sense to blame genes or to blame oneself for being ugly.
Does it really make sense to blame anything if you don't believe in free will? After all, the decisions of your parents can be traced down to a succession of environmental influences...

I'm all for blaming things and people, all the while knowing they probably weren't much responsible. Blaming is a useful brain circuit; it gives energy. Not blaming things soyifies you too much.
 
Does it really make sense to blame anything if you don't believe in free will? After all, the decisions of your parents can be traced down to a succession of environmental influences...

I'm all for blaming things and people, all the while knowing they probably weren't much responsible. Blaming is a useful brain circuit; it gives energy. Not blaming things soyifies you too much.

Sure, from an absolute point of view it makes absolutely no sense.

But from a coventional view it makes sense, be it just for consequentialist reasons : blaming people to make them less likely to engage in a specific line of actions, fo hurt them and express your rage etc.

Blaming genes make no sense from any point of view.

I didn't say you should blame parents, just that blaming genes makes no sense, even from the conventional view on blame and libertarian/compatibilist/consequetialist view of freewill.
 
Does it really make sense to blame anything if you don't believe in free will? After all, the decisions of your parents can be traced down to a succession of environmental influences...

I'm all for blaming things and people, all the while knowing they probably weren't much responsible. Blaming is a useful brain circuit; it gives energy. Not blaming things soyifies you too much.
JFL at using the nature argument, it’s deluded. In modern society even if you have average genes you’re pretty much screwed due to socially inflated hypergamy.

In nature men used to rape the women who would deny them sex. Also, women wouldn’t give a shit about your maxilla if you were tall or had resources and strength. There might have been some hypergamy in nature but it wasn’t looks based.
 
In modern society even if you have average genes you’re pretty much screwed due to socially inflated hypergamy.
That's the saddest cope in incel communities and you know it

At most 20-30% of men are incels

In nature men used to rape the women who would deny them sex. Also, women wouldn’t give a shit about your maxilla if you were tall or had resources and strength. There might have been some hypergamy in nature but it wasn’t looks based.
You used to live in prehistoric times, to be that much informed?
 
Every purported solution that involves political activism or violence is the adult equivalent of teenage wet dreams. They are narcissistic fantasies without any basis in reality. I'm frankly beginning to get tired of explaining why; I've already explained everything in several threads and messages: why we can't come back to past mores, why you can't just "erase" history, why there is actually no precedent of doing this, why technology and atheism had a lot more to do with the current situation than "jews", but it's like talking to a wall. I guess most people just want to cling to dreams and wishful thinking (ego protection mechanism?). They want to think they're still in control, that the revolution is just two days away. There would definitely be a psychiatric thesis to write about that.

To my mind, there are only three realistic "solutions" to male inceldom. I put "solutions" between square quotes because they have a lot of downsides. The first one is allowing the Islamization of the West to proceed: you'll be dead when inceldom has been solved. The second one is radically altering the rules of nature through technological progress: you'll likely be dead too when it happens. The third one is becoming asexual or using virtual reality to cope.

I am ready to bet $100,000 that no violent "beta uprising" of any significance is going to happen in the West in the next 50 years. I am ready to bet $50,000 that no legislation reversing feminism will happen in the West in the next 50 years. You'll die old, alone, and with all your dreams of change crushed, on a grim hospital bed. Deal with it. You know I'm right.

I'm not disagreeing. I've always known that any sort of revolution with the amount of comfort and productivity we have know is basically impossible. Unless electricity stops working and oil vanishes, no one is going to do anything.
Judging by your sig your hope is probably the singularity. Is Kurzweil legit? I've never trusted futurologists too much.
 
You used to live in prehistoric times, to be that much informed?
I’m only making possible reasonings of what probably happened...

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/05/100513123835.htm

That's the saddest cope in incel communities and you know it

At most 20-30% of men are incels

Low IQ. We aren’t saying that sub8 males don’t get laid. I’d say only about 15% are actually incels. A normalfag might get an ugly girlfriend (based on juggernaut law) like once or twice a year but she’ll eventually leave him when a chad shows interest in her.
 
Judging by your sig your hope is probably the singularity.
Yes, but not in the way it's usually thought about. When most people hear about the "singularity", they think about an enchanted future and endless days of bliss, and they tend to be skeptical because it sounds too good to be true. It is too good to be true. My view of this event is more in line with a pure focus on artificial intelligence, AI alignment and AI takeover scenarios (which are surprisingly scientifically solid). I think the best-case scenario is for us to fuse with AI (and lose most of our identity in the process), worst case is ending up killed for our atoms.
Is Kurzweil legit? I've never trusted futurologists too much.
Here is how his predictions have fared: http://www.kurzweilai.net/images/How-My-Predictions-Are-Faring.pdf

He's pretty good, though for safe measure, always add 10 years to his boldest ones.
 
That's the saddest cope in incel communities and you know it
At most 20-30% of men are incels
Depends how you define incel. Most blue pill normies go through long dry spells, get laid once in blue moon with low quality women, then encounters nearing wall foid with baby rabies, get married, then divorced and cycle repeats.
Top 20% good looking men get everything while normies get scraps and others get nothing.
 
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That's the saddest cope in incel communities and you know it

At most 20-30% of men are incels


You used to live in prehistoric times, to be that much informed?

It's not a cope, he's right and you aren't wrong, i once made a post about it. Here is a copy pasta

"
The 80/20 rules js true, 80% of women seek 20% of men, some people here think that the rule is invalidated because some normies are having sex/a girlfriend.

But here is the thing.

It's false when you see it in an absolute way, as in only 20% of guys are having sex.
It's true when you read this way :
Top 20% guys : Don't have to work a lot for it or not at all. Their sexual/romantic life fulfills 3 conditions.
1 : ) Diversity : They aren't extremely dependant on one girl, if one threatens to leave, throws a tantrum, becomes distant or don't wanna give them blowjob, they can leave whenever they want or cheat on her, because they always have alternatives, they can find another girl immediately.
2 : ) Stability, because of point 1 they always have a sexual/romantic life, whenever they want, it's not dependant on a strike of luck, or the whims of a particular girl.
3 : ) Power. linked to point 1 and 2. Some incels may think "But i just want one girl, i wouldn't be a degenerate even if i was a chad", this may be, but what you fail to understand is that, even if you want a LTR, it's good to have POWER in the relationship. The girl becomes more attracted/attached/and eager to please when she knows that you have high value and the possibility to replace her and cheat on her whenever you wants, so it's not about necessarily using the alternatives, jst having them makes the LTR more pleasant, it even makes you more confident, more natural and less dependant on the relationship, which will make the girl be attracted even more. It makes even sex better because they can be more domineering, and in general in the relationship they can take more risk, because it's not their only and unique option.
The other 80%, some of them may have sporadic sex or a relationship there and there, but lacking all the 3 precedent conditions, they are always either deluded or insecure, may live long sexless period or periods of loneliness, become dependant to the girl and feel they have to buy her stuff and constantly prove their value etc etc, their relationships are precarious, the girl will more often lose attraction or cheats on them after they show any sign of weakness, or because she found a chad, the girls are also often trying to forget a 20% ex, or thinking about a 20% chad to fuck while having the relationship with the 80%."
 
Most people here think in black and white terms. Either strict patriarchy or unrestrained hypergamy. Either you will ban women from jobs and voting or you have ultra liberal society.
I agree that going back to strict patriarchy where women are not allowed to work and vote is not possible and in my opinion it is not even desirable. Women are capable for work so why would I be sole provider? Not to mention that nowadays to sustain household there are 2 incomes needed (unless you have very good paying job).
It is not possible to eliminate hypergamy totally but it is possible to limit it. Men just need to stop giving women what they want: children and commitment. Now foids can eat cake and still have it because of blue pill providers who will gladly marry up postwall sluts. That's why a first step to restore balance of power is to educate people about women dual mating strategy (AF/BB). If man would make it clear that they are not gonna marry sluts, then women in their primes will think twice before hopping on cock carousel.
Second think what we can do is to vote on government that does not provide any benefits for single mothers. If women will be cut off from welfare benefits in case of unplanned pregnacy they will be forced to make more rational decisions about their partners.
Both points are achievable as more and more people are waking up from their blue pill dream when confronted with reality.
 
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So now, tell me why you think you will be successful in establishing an autocracy. Expose your plan, and it's got to be better than just "blackpill as many males as possible". I want to know exactly how you are going to seize power in a democratic election or a violent revolution, and then how you will keep this power.

Won't happen because someone wills it but through civilization and social collapse of the incremental kind. Every year, hundreds of thousands new Muslim rapefugees reach Europe where they breed like rats. Their ranks swelling by each generation, it's just a matter of time before big popular Muslim parties are formed or traditional parties are taken over in their entirety.

They won't even have to reach the point of majority population. Thing is that the population with immigrant roots in its entirety feel no loyalty to or identification with the increasingly minority and redundant host nation and its institutions, resulting in their withering and eventual eradication. In a country like Sweden, this process is already far gone. Thus, in this century, the remaining monarchies of Europe will be abolished and replaced by diversity republics, national flags will be taken down and replaced by variations on the rainbow theme.

The only thing eventually standing in the way of complete Islamic takeover will consequently be a weak and spiritually languid coalition between cuck liberal middleclass feminist elites and various Christian immigrant nationalities. Either the Muslims will sweep the field and sharia be instituted (likely), or the hardened and violent tensions between dug-in dominant immigrant groups, now in full control of the state apparatus, will lead to the evolution of toxic patriarchy-like conditions on both sides.

It won't be like it was, it will be new, but foids will completely lose their current privileged standing in any case.

To sum up: Women liberated themselves so they could fuck Chad and bring in Abdullahs. Abdullah kills Chad and brings women back to slavery, but now under a racial and spiritual regime of substantially lower vibration.

I don't wish for this, because I belong to the about-to-be oppressed host population in a country that once was mine, but extrapolating current trends and it becomes inevitable.
 
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I absolutely could not agree more, @Fontaine you really are a breath of fresh air in what is, at times, the cesspit of self-centred delusion that is this forum. Too many people here seem to think that by blackpilling normies they can make them self-aware of their cuckoldry this recruiting them to the incel cause as another loyal adherent to the pursuit of the ‘beta uprising’. What people here seem incapable of understanding is that the vast majority of the modern population, male or female, vastly prefers a system which permits them to fool around with multiple partners before settling down, and they reject outright the incel definition of ‘being a cuck.’ This definition is born of bitterness and a need to feel some sense of purpose and superiority rather than a rational assessment of the societal paradigm, the proof to this fact is shown in the fact that most incels would eagerly trade places with the normies they so despise if given the opportunity.
 
I absolutely could not agree more, @Fontaine you really are a breath of fresh air in what is, at times, the cesspit of self-centred delusion that is this forum.
Talking to this forum often feels like a conversation with my teenage self. (I too used to believe in "revolutions", or in feelings of unwarranted superiority over normies). It's frustrating, because reason often has a very limited impact compared to emotions. Though most of the neo-nazis here, for instance, know the chances of success of their ideas are grim, they still want to cling to them to feel meaning, power and belonging in their lives. It's all an ego protection mechanism. Because you're a party-pooper, all arguments fall on deaf ears and you just receive epithets: cuck, jew, idiot...
What people here seem incapable of understanding is that the vast majority of the modern population, male or female, vastly prefers a system which permits them to fool around with multiple partners before settling down, and they reject outright the incel definition of ‘being a cuck.’ This definition is born of bitterness and a need to feel some sense of purpose and superiority rather than a rational assessment of the societal paradigm, the proof to this fact is shown in the fact that most incels would eagerly trade places with the normies they so despise if given the opportunity.
Oh, indeed. But can you really expect asocial NEETs to get that? They never talk to normies to understand their viewpoint, even on the internet. No point in talking to "brainwashed cucks", right.
 
I agree with OP. Its imposible to make people agree with the idea of dennying vote and work to women, its just so imposible like legalizing slavery and make blacks in US slaves again. Imposible, the own "being" of the society dont allow that. Values like right to vote for women are so deeple accepted by society that defend politically the opposite is a no go for any political party. How do you defend before population that women shouldnt have the right to vote or work or that should have less right to men. Nobody would buy that speech.

We could feel ourselves lucky if we reach a time where men are just not discriminated.


I mean no one thought giving femoid the right to vote would lead up to this. Feminism was slowly built up over decades and we are seeing the results maybe the same can happen to men. The amount of men being screwed over by the government, courts, laws and femoids is grewing a lot this remorse may be built up in a few years or decades and we may have some sort of patriachry. Basically what I'm trying to say this may run in full circle

I agree that could be some backlash to the current situation of men. But this backlash is because that unfairness against men not because society by itself has some kind of specially care for men. If it was so, men would have been discriminated at the first.The backlash is exactly because socieaty care much more for women than for men and goes for support privilige women and discriminate men. A socieaty who has gone so far in their seek of suporting and caring woman that have discriminated men in ways that wouldnt do against women is a society thats not gonna in any case discriminate women.
 
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