Serious Why I think a "return to patriarchy" is hilariously unrealistic

[Fontaine]

Most incels, I would guess 50 to 70%, endorse the idea of a "return to patriarchy" in which women would be stripped of their rights and autonomy, especially in the sexual arena. Most of the mods and admins seem to think the same thing, making me relatively unpopular here.

This idea has a lot of appeal because it is more ego-flattering to blame society than to blame your ugly genes. And it's true, to an extent, that past societies used to be a lot kinder to men with ugly genes. However, is it realistic to envision a "counter-revolution"? I don't think so, for these reasons.

> You can't realistically enslave 50% of the population in a democratic political setting. Any politician pushing an anti-women agenda will not get woman support.

> So the real question here is not a return to patriarchy, but a return to very traditional forms of governance, like monarchy or tyranny.

> Many people in the past two centuries have tried to establish autocracies and they have all failed. Hitler, Pinochet, etc, were the last in line.

So now, tell me why you think you will be successful in establishing an autocracy. Expose your plan, and it's got to be better than just "blackpill as many males as possible". I want to know exactly how you are going to seize power in a democratic election or a violent revolution, and then how you will keep this power.

 

[Hunter]

we just need to reverse the sexual revolution. have pre-marital sex be illegal so that chads wont be able to cycle between foids and the 80/20 rule/hypergamy will cease to be.

 

[Fontaine]

we just need to reverse the sexual revolution. have pre-marital sex be illegal

And how do you plan on doing this? Run this platform in the Presidential Election?

 

[Hunter]

And how do you plan on doing this?

i dont have a plan but im saying hypothetically this would help most of us ascend and benefit society in general.

 

[Gremlincel]

Dadtaine tryna dunk on everyone again, smh

 

[Fontaine]

i dont have a plan but

Okay. Next!

 

[Hunter]

Okay. Next!

cope

 

[FiveFourManlet]

Literally nobody argued that it was unrealistic.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Well the fascist will band together with the radical left and later purge them and work together with the capital, as they always do.

 

[Leucosticte]

Men are the ones who own almost all the major companies out there. Men also are usually the ones who bother to run for office (most elections don't have any female candidates). So, the men who are in powerful positions just need to band together to repeal the 19th. With all that money, men can afford to run a media campaign to convince women of whatever they want them to believe; women are followers by nature.

More importantly, fathers need to stop paying for their daughters to go to college. And any men in charge of private scholarships need to stop giving those to girls. Men in any kind of position of power or authority need to stop elevating females to high positions.

 

[Deleted member 1042]

What I don’t understand is a person who is trying to fulfill their craving for true love and mutual attraction and simultaneously call for patriarchy. If you are relying on some external order, on guilt and force, then how is this the true love you desire? How do you reconcile this? This is in response to inceldom. Patriarchy as a response to foid privilege is another thing.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

Most incels, I would guess 50 to 70%, endorse the idea of a "return to patriarchy" in which women would be stripped of their rights and autonomy, especially in the sexual arena. Most of the mods and admins seem to think the same thing, making me relatively unpopular here.

This idea has a lot of appeal because it is more ego-flattering to blame society than to blame your ugly genes. And it's true, to an extent, that past societies used to be a lot kinder to men with ugly genes. However, is it realistic to envision a "counter-revolution"? I don't think so, for these reasons.

> You can't realistically enslave 50% of the population in a democratic political setting. Any politician pushing an anti-women agenda will not get woman support.

> So the real question here is not a return to patriarchy, but a return to very traditional forms of governance, like monarchy or tyranny.

> Many people in the past two centuries have tried to establish autocracies and they have all failed. Hitler, Pinochet, etc, were the last in line.

So now, tell me why you think you will be successful in establishing an autocracy. Expose your plan, and it's got to be better than just "blackpill as many males as possible". I want to know exactly how you are going to seize power in a democratic election or a violent revolution, and then how you will keep this power.

Literally nobody argued that it was unrealistic.

 

[Unwanted]

I don't expect anything like that to be honest.

I expect some kind of social welfare for incels in the West tho. I think it's highly realistic if ERs continue to happen, governments would need to appease incels somehow. I guess they could shut down forums like this but it won't solve the crux of the problem. And we need money for looksmaxing or escorts and other copes. Maybe even plastic surgeries provided by governments could happen.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

Well the fascist will band together with the radical left and later purge them and work together with the capital, as they always do.

I don't expect anything like that to be honest.

I expect some kind of social welfare for incels in the West tho. I think it's highly realistic if ERs continue to happen, governments would need to appease incels somehow. I guess they could shut down forums like this but it won't solve the crux of the problem. And we need money for looksmaxing or escorts and other copes. Maybe even plastic surgeries provided by governments could happen.

 

[armis]

blackpill as many males as possible

Run this platform in the Presidential Election

Imagine a country where the majority of males are blackpilled and right wing, that's ~50% of the country's vote + right wing conservative foids. This isn't that unrealistic when you realise that traditional right wing views are becoming more mainstream.

 

[Deleted member 12256]

We
Kill all the cucks or ban them.
Change the roles in the family, man is the MAN, foid is the slave.
Stop giving so much education and stop paying money to foids. Goverments should stop supporting singles mothers or foids.
Foid who cheats gets prison time.
No rape rules for foids, they can't complain
Ban LGBT , SJW , Feminists
Mandatory marriage for every male by the goverment weather he is ugly or good looking

I could say more but if you start with this, Booooooom Patriarchy can slowly rise a bit.

 

[Incelazo]

> Many people in the past two centuries have tried to establish autocracies and they have all failed. Hitler, Pinochet, etc, were the last in line.

What are you even talking about?
Pinochet wanted a democracy, he was a democratically supported president for 8 years too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_constitutional_referendum,_1980
His aim was to return the nation to democracy after cleaning the streets from marxist scum.

 

[Leucosticte]

What I don’t understand is a person who is trying to fulfill their craving for true love and mutual attraction and simultaneously call for patriarchy. If you are relying on some external order, on guilt and force, then how is this the true love you desire? How do you reconcile this? This is in response to inceldom. Patriarchy as a response to foid privilege is another thing.

It's simple logic. Love is mutual attraction combined with a lack of other options. If she's even mildly attracted to you, then all that remains is to use patriarchy to take away her other options, and then you have all her love to yourself.

 

[Ninrod]

Those guys are coping. They don't want to face reallity: Patriarchy won't come back. Fontaine seems like an asshole for me but High IQ this threat.

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

love is very difficult without monogamy and patriarchy for non-chads, you need a removal of distractions and some status to get anywhere. this stupid present day LARPing where women get to pretend they are men that can give birth and are more beautiful fucks everything up.

the only plan to do this inside a democracy that i can imagine is to try to appeal to married women and women that hate feminism, they exist and might push your vote over 50%, research the demographics of women who would be willing to give up or forfeit their vote and try to appeal to them, try to appeal to married women more and shill to increase marriage rates.

 

[StaroRavager]

@Fontaine normaly I say high IQ but the idea of a “return to the patriarchy” in 1st world countries is so idiotic that common sense is all that’s needed to unravel that fantasy

 

[Fontaine]

Men are the ones who own almost all the major companies out there. Men also are usually the ones who bother to run for office (most elections don't have any female candidates). So, the men who are in powerful positions just need to band together to repeal the 19th. With all that money, men can afford to run a media campaign to convince women of whatever they want them to believe; women are followers by nature.

More importantly, fathers need to stop paying for their daughters to go to college. And any men in charge of private scholarships need to stop giving those to girls. Men in any kind of position of power or authority need to stop elevating females to high positions.

Assuming you can get all powerful men to change their feminist views, are you really certain that now that women have got a taste of power, they are going to relinquish it so easily?

Imagine a country where the majority of males are blackpilled and right wing, that's ~50% of the country's vote + right wing conservative foids. This isn't that unrealistic when you realise that traditional right wing views are becoming more mainstream.

The "majority of males" is not 50% of a country's vote. 60% of males, for instance, is only 30% of a country's vote (0.6 * 0.5). Also, "right wing conservative foids" are actually feminist despite a veneer of conservatism. To successfully win an anti-women political struggle, you'd need insane amounts of support in males and females alike.

Those guys are coping. They don't want to face reallity: Patriarchy won't come back. Fontaine seems like an asshole for me but High IQ this threat.

I'm an asshole? Me? Why? I think I'm one of the least toxic people on incels.is.

We
Kill all the cucks or ban them.
Change the roles in the family, man is the MAN, foid is the slave.
Stop giving so much education and stop paying money to foids. Goverments should stop supporting singles mothers or foids.
Foid who cheats gets prison time.
No rape rules for foids, they can't complain
Ban LGBT , SJW , Feminists
Mandatory marriage for every male by the goverment weather he is ugly or good looking

I could say more but if you start with this, Booooooom Patriarchy can slowly rise a bit.

You have described the result of having power, not how you can get into power. And most of that are juvenile fantasies, honestly.

 

[Newbite]

The west is already regressing. We arent far off from getting rid of democracy

 

[Fontaine]

We arent far off from getting rid of democracy

Maybe. History is cyclical, because human nature never changes. When you think that only 85 years ago, the NSDAP won the popular vote in a lot of German Länder... It could happen again, because the brains who have authorized this haven't fundamentally changed.

However, I don't see the wheel of history turning against democracy until at least a few more decades.

 

[Leucosticte]

Assuming you can get all powerful men to change their feminist views, are you really certain that now that women have got a taste of power, they are going to relinquish it so easily?

They might have to be forced to relinquish it. This wouldn't necessarily happen by voting; it could happen through civil disobedience or violent revolution. Men have the majority of the guns, so that gives them an advantage in any kind of shooting war between the sexes.

Democracy theoretically gives each person equal power, but it never works that way in practice. There are always some who are willing to resort to illegal methods to get their way. And just the fact that money is not distributed evenly among the population gives certain groups more influence over the democratic process. If you have enough money to buy up, say, some major media outlets, then you can mold public perceptions. You can, for instance, put out stories about how feminism is hurting women, and suppress stories about the downsides of patriarchy for women.

Men could also use their economic power to destroy feminists' livelihood. They could, for example, refuse to hire men they consider cucks. Already, there's discrimination in the workplace based on political views; for example, Antifa will doxx known Nazis to get them fired from their jobs and keep them from getting new jobs. The same could be done to feminists, to deter them from promoting their feminist views. It's harder to elect feminists to public office, if all the feminists are afraid to get involved in politics lest their careers get destroyed.

A lot of women are also religious, so that's another means by which women can be influenced. If you get the church pastors to take up the cause of patriarchy, then you can start brainwashing the young girls to be antifeminist. Of course, that will start to wear off if these girls get to be in their late teens and still haven't had the opportunity to start a family yet; they'll begin to feel ripped off.

Democracy and autocracy aren't the only two choices; there's a lot of stuff in between. For example, most democracies are capitalistic so there's an element of plutocracy as well. Russia is nominally democratic but sometimes considered an oligarchy because of the concentration of wealth in a few hands, and the tendency for dissidents to end incarcerated and then barred from politics. One might say, "What's wrong with that? That's just law enforcement; they were proven to have broken various statutes, and it just happened that they were also political dissidents (which was what drew the government's attention to them). Russia is still a democracy, because you don't HAVE to vote for Putin, if you don't like him. You could vote for the communists instead."

 

[Socratescel]

Cucks and normies would not allow it, they think """liberating""" women is progression, when in reality it just leads to forced inequality based on something men can't control

Then they turn around and pretend women aren't insanely privileged, and that there is no problem with letting fucking animals decide who gets to reproduce or not

Femoids are around the same level of consciousness as a dog or cockroach, if any IT user is triggered by this fact then give me examples of women being non-shallow, taking responsibility, or even making good decisions at all, not just being degenerates who get cleaned up after by cucks, betas and white knights

@Leucosticte cuckpill.online is pathetic

 

[retarded_dumbshit]

Most incels, I would guess 50 to 70%, endorse the idea of a "return to patriarchy" in which women would be stripped of their rights and autonomy, especially in the sexual arena. Most of the mods and admins seem to think the same thing, making me relatively unpopular here.

I don't think a single moderator has pushed for the abolition of women's rights or anything of the sort. Would you mind if I edit that out of your post? I consider that misinformation.

 

[Fontaine]

They might have to be forced to relinquish it. This wouldn't necessarily happen by voting; it could happen through civil disobedience or violent revolution. Men have the majority of the guns, so that gives them an advantage in any kind of shooting war between the sexes.

Democracy theoretically gives each person equal power, but it never works that way in practice. There are always some who are willing to resort to illegal methods to get their way. And just the fact that money is not distributed evenly among the population gives certain groups more influence over the democratic process. If you have enough money to buy up, say, some major media outlets, then you can mold public perceptions. You can, for instance, put out stories about how feminism is hurting women, and suppress stories about the downsides of patriarchy for women.

Men could also use their economic power to destroy feminists' livelihood. They could, for example, refuse to hire men they consider cucks. Already, there's discrimination in the workplace based on political views; for example, Antifa will doxx known Nazis to get them fired from their jobs and keep them from getting new jobs. The same could be done to feminists, to deter them from promoting their feminist views. It's harder to elect feminists to public office, if all the feminists are afraid to get involved in politics lest their careers get destroyed.

A lot of women are also religious, so that's another means by which women can be influenced. If you get the church pastors to take up the cause of patriarchy, then you can start brainwashing the young girls to be antifeminist. Of course, that will start to wear off if these girls get to be in their late teens and still haven't had the opportunity to start a family yet; they'll begin to feel ripped off.

Democracy and autocracy aren't the only two choices; there's a lot of stuff in between. For example, most democracies are capitalistic so there's an element of plutocracy as well. Russia is nominally democratic but sometimes considered an oligarchy because of the concentration of wealth in a few hands, and the tendency for dissidents to end incarcerated and then barred from politics. One might say, "What's wrong with that? That's just law enforcement; they were proven to have broken various statutes, and it just happened that they were also political dissidents (which was what drew the government's attention to them). Russia is still a democracy, because you don't HAVE to vote for Putin, if you don't like him. You could vote for the communists instead."

Basically: "just cancel 200 years of cultural change in the West, bro"

So far, there's no evidence that other men than frustrated virgins and divorce-raped men are willing to go back on feminism. Men LOVE the idea of "girl power". But kudos for providing a mildly realistic scenario.

I don't think a single moderator has pushed for the abolition of women's rights or anything of the sort. Would you mind if I edit that out of your post? I consider that misinformation.

Fine, edit it out.

 

[Leucosticte]

I don't think a single moderator has pushed for the abolition of women's rights or anything of the sort. Would you mind if I edit that out of your post? I consider that misinformation.

He was talking about Incelocalypse moderators.

 

[Ihatereddit]

So what's your solution? Is there any?

 

[Anger]

We should start by cleansing ((((them))))) since they are the ones who made the matriarchy a reality.

 

[Creep]

this is like talking about how the beta uprising is unrealistic.

We know its not going to happen, just that it would be glorious if it did.

 

[GetFucked]

Realistically it'll never happen as foids have too much political power, but we can dream...

 

[i_a_m_i]

All one has to do is wait for the upcoming collapse and subsequent primitivization; patriarchy will come about naturally. Or if society doesn't collapse, then technological advances will eventually render patriarchy obsolete.

 

[TakeTheBlackPill]

we just need to reverse the sexual revolution. have pre-marital sex be illegal so that chads wont be able to cycle between foids and the 80/20 rule/hypergamy will cease to be.

This

So the real question here is not a return to patriarchy, but a return to very traditional forms of governance, like monarchy or tyranny.

I actually support a monarchy

 

[Incellectual]

Those guys are coping. They don't want to face reallity: Patriarchy won't come back

 

[TakeTheBlackPill]

Many people in the past two centuries have tried to establish autocracies and they have all failed. Hitler, Pinochet, etc, were the last in line.

Hitler failed because all the world controlled by Jews, bankers, and commies literally rose up to oppose him.
USA right now is Weimar Germany 2.0

So now, tell me why you think you will be successful in establishing an autocracy. Expose your plan, and it's got to be better than just "blackpill as many males as possible". I want to know exactly how you are going to seize power in a democratic election or a violent revolution, and then how you will keep this power.

We need hypergamy to keep becoming worse and a beta uprising to rise from this fact. Kill as many enemies, cucks, leftists as possible. Plenty of the right wing already agrees with a return to traditionalism. If we can get the military on our side it can’t be that hard of a task. Most leftcucks don’t even know how to use a firearm.

We should start by cleansing ((((them))))) since they are the ones who made the matriarchy a reality.

Cut the roof first, high iq theory

Basically: "just cancel 200 years of cultural change in the West, bro"

More like 100 years to be exact. Degeneracy only really began in the 1920s, and sexual freedom in the 1960s

The leftists were able to reverse 5000+ years of human history (patriarchy) in just the 20th century.

So far, there's no evidence that other men than frustrated virgins and divorce-raped men are willing to go back on feminism. Men LOVE the idea of "girl power". But kudos for providing a mildly realistic scenario.

They’re cucked as hell that’s why. If we spread the blackpill and hypergamy worsens they will start to think otherwise. Remember, you were once a bluepilled cuck too.

 

[mlcurrycel]

A lot of assumptions that men will simply do this or that as a united bloc. That's silly. Right wing politics at the level of the nation-state hold back incel planning. Soyboys will die for feminism because they believe that's what's holding them back from pussy, misogynistic men. Normies are easy to program against incels, capturing capitalist owned media to support us is impossible. Murdoch doeesn't care about incels, no matter how conservative he may happen to be.

Right now, as always, pussy flows towards wealth, and with transnational corporations rewarding white CEOs and capitalists such as the Rockerfeller, Walton, etc, as well as with the global decline of economic self-reliance, that will cause more and more incels to be created in the third world. Hypergamy in developing countries will rise as sweatshop supervisors turn into biologists and ethnic expats return from the west with green cards dangling from their zipper.

Incels should follow the example of communists, and non-communists like Allied Democratic Front of Congo, Boko Haram, etc, and create breakaway states or coup existing third world states by taking the growing mass of womanless men and organising them, offering them wives after successes like the Rape of the Sabine or the Mohammeden conquests, etc.

Edit: Also, male sexual vulnerability always existed in class soceity. Rich chads have always cucked rich incel-tier uglies and poor men. 'Traditionalism' (Paligenesis) will not lead to incels having better lives unless they're one of the few who statusmaxx into power during the upheavel. Society will still be lookist and pro-Chad after any conservative or fascist revolution. Anti-Semites need to cut their shit out.

 

[TakeTheBlackPill]

They might have to be forced to relinquish it. This wouldn't necessarily happen by voting; it could happen through civil disobedience or violent revolution. Men have the majority of the guns, so that gives them an advantage in any kind of shooting war between the sexes.

Democracy theoretically gives each person equal power, but it never works that way in practice. There are always some who are willing to resort to illegal methods to get their way. And just the fact that money is not distributed evenly among the population gives certain groups more influence over the democratic process. If you have enough money to buy up, say, some major media outlets, then you can mold public perceptions. You can, for instance, put out stories about how feminism is hurting women, and suppress stories about the downsides of patriarchy for women.

Men could also use their economic power to destroy feminists' livelihood. They could, for example, refuse to hire men they consider cucks. Already, there's discrimination in the workplace based on political views; for example, Antifa will doxx known Nazis to get them fired from their jobs and keep them from getting new jobs. The same could be done to feminists, to deter them from promoting their feminist views. It's harder to elect feminists to public office, if all the feminists are afraid to get involved in politics lest their careers get destroyed.

A lot of women are also religious, so that's another means by which women can be influenced. If you get the church pastors to take up the cause of patriarchy, then you can start brainwashing the young girls to be antifeminist. Of course, that will start to wear off if these girls get to be in their late teens and still haven't had the opportunity to start a family yet; they'll begin to feel ripped off.

Democracy and autocracy aren't the only two choices; there's a lot of stuff in between. For example, most democracies are capitalistic so there's an element of plutocracy as well. Russia is nominally democratic but sometimes considered an oligarchy because of the concentration of wealth in a few hands, and the tendency for dissidents to end incarcerated and then barred from politics. One might say, "What's wrong with that? That's just law enforcement; they were proven to have broken various statutes, and it just happened that they were also political dissidents (which was what drew the government's attention to them). Russia is still a democracy, because you don't HAVE to vote for Putin, if you don't like him. You could vote for the communists instead."

High IQ plan.

Right wing politics at the level of the nation-state hold back incel planning.

Most of the far right has common ground with us. It’s just that they think we are losing virgins, but the systems they propose might actually benefit.

Maybe. History is cyclical, because human nature never change

The nature argument at it again!

In nature women didn’t give a shit about your maxilla or some other BS. They only cared about you being tall and strong and most importantly having abundant resources...
Even if hypergamy (women willing to seek men who are “above” them) might be natural, men simply resorted to raping women who wouldn’t give them sex directly in so-called nature. If you want to justify hypergamy based on nature, then please remember that not all natural aspects are good things.

 

[Angus13]

First off we have no control or power over collective large scale governments, the people (as in, individuals) can only exercise power in small communities, of maybe 200 or less. Basically there won't be an opening for a patriarchal return until the current system crashes... When it does crash, people will be forced to get back in touch with their natural instincts, via circumstances.

 

[JJtheIncel]

The plan is to go back in time and impregnant the first female then she will be attracted to ugly men.

 

[Fontaine]

So what's your solution? Is there any?

Every purported solution that involves political activism or violence is the adult equivalent of teenage wet dreams. They are narcissistic fantasies without any basis in reality. I'm frankly beginning to get tired of explaining why; I've already explained everything in several threads and messages: why we can't come back to past mores, why you can't just "erase" history, why there is actually no precedent of doing this, why technology and atheism had a lot more to do with the current situation than "jews", but it's like talking to a wall. I guess most people just want to cling to dreams and wishful thinking (ego protection mechanism?). They want to think they're still in control, that the revolution is just two days away. There would definitely be a psychiatric thesis to write about that.

To my mind, there are only three realistic "solutions" to male inceldom. I put "solutions" between square quotes because they have a lot of downsides. The first one is allowing the Islamization of the West to proceed: you'll be dead when inceldom has been solved. The second one is radically altering the rules of nature through technological progress: you'll likely be dead too when it happens. The third one is becoming asexual or using virtual reality to cope.

I am ready to bet $100,000 that no violent "beta uprising" of any significance is going to happen in the West in the next 50 years. I am ready to bet $50,000 that no legislation reversing feminism will happen in the West in the next 50 years. You'll die old, alone, and with all your dreams of change crushed, on a grim hospital bed. Deal with it. You know I'm right.

 

[Leucosticte]

Every purported solution that involves political activism or violence is the adult equivalent of teenage wet dreams. They are narcissistic fantasies without any basis in reality.

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead

You can tell Elliot was a thoughtful guy, because he says, "I've been doing a lot of thinking." And you can tell by his actions that he was committed.

 

[Fontaine]

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead

This quote is complete bullshit.

History is essentially driven by war and technology, not politics or activism

 

[Leucosticte]

This quote is complete bullshit.

History is essentially driven by war and technology, not politics or activism

The Glock 34, Sig Sauer P226, and BMW 328i Coupe are all examples of technology that have been used in the war to restore patriarchy.

 

[Blue Squirtle]

we just need to reverse the sexual revolution. have pre-marital sex be illegal so that chads wont be able to cycle between foids and the 80/20 rule/hypergamy will cease to be.

that's one of the only solutions, but feminists would put up a fight before that happened.

 

[Fontaine]

The Glock 34, Sig Sauer P226, and BMW 328i Coupe are all examples of technology that have been used in the war to restore patriarchy.

I don't see how Eliott Rodger advanced the cause of inceldom, or how Dylann Roof advanced the cause of white nationalism.

I just see one guy who blew his brains out, one guy awaiting a lethal injection in a federal penitentiary, and no change at all in politics or the law. Gee, like the failure of all anarchist/communist attacks in the West for the past two centuries... wonder why. Maybe it's linked to a lack of critical mass. Maybe it's going to stay that way because most men aren't ugly?

 

[TakeTheBlackPill]

Gee, like the failure of all anarchist/communist attacks in the West for the past two centuries..

Commies have actually won

 

[Fontaine]

Commies have actually won

Oh? I see private property in every legal code in the West

 

[NeetSupremacist]

This quote is complete bullshit.

History is essentially driven by war and technology, not politics or activism

ISIS is a small group and look what they did, they managed to create a state bigger than great Britain....