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Why I oppose socialism

unionistcel

unionistcel

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So if my money went to infrastructure, emergency services, people who actually needed them and defence over attack I would probably support some MODERATE taxes.
HOWEVER, I know my money goes to lazy fuckers, greedy politicians and 2 sides of a war I don’t agree with.
Side note fed fight your own war in Ukraine
 
Socialism can't ever really be socialist without also being totalitarian!
 
Socialism is when the tax is too high. :feelstastyman:
 
Very true mate
Your boss taxes you more via theft of the value your labor creates than any government is capable of taxing
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okay fair but i'm apart of the lazy fuckers group and I want money so I want whatever government plan gives me money without work
 
Your boss taxes you more via theft of the value your labor creates than any government is capable of taxing
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That surplus value generally won't all go to the prole no matter what. For example, in the Soviet Union you'd be taxed just like in the West, but even more because 1. they'd also need the extra money to run the industry you are working in and possibly even expand it, just like a bourgeois would 2. High overall government spending.

I'd say they got taxed enough to basically make no difference between surplus value being extracted by a bourgeois or the state, the only difference would be who it goes to
 
okay fair but i'm apart of the lazy fuckers group and I want money so I want whatever government plan gives me money without work
There is not enough jobs anyway, not everyone has to work anymore because of automation. Most jobs have zero value but the government wants everyone working so people will never complain because they will be at work and continue to consoom product so GDP goes up.
 
There is not enough jobs anyway, not everyone has to work anymore because of automation. Most jobs have zero value but the government wants everyone working so people will never complain because they will be at work and continue to consoom product so GDP goes up.
that's fair but I don't see anything changing in my lifetime, I can't even get disability when I qualify for it by the government currently and unless something drastic happens I doubt they'll change their current design
 
That surplus value generally won't all go to the prole no matter what. For example, in the Soviet Union you'd be taxed just like in the West, but even more because 1. they'd also need the extra money to run the industry you are working in and possibly even expand it, just like a bourgeois would 2. High overall government spending.

I'd say they got taxed enough to basically make no difference between surplus value being extracted by a bourgeois or the state, the only difference would be who it goes to
What do you think taxes are for? It’s to finance government spending which ultimately goes back to the general welfare if there is no corruption.
 
It’s to finance government spending which ultimately goes back to the general welfare if there is no corruption.
What do you think about getting rid of the bourgeois without enforcing a central economy? Are you a socialist yourself?
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He put in the risk so should get something out of it mate
So almost all of the value of your labor going to him is fair? And employees risk something much more valuable than money: their health and lives, so you have it backwards. The employees deserve more from the business than what their bosses make.
 
okay fair but i'm apart of the lazy fuckers group and I want money so I want whatever government plan gives me money without work
Get out the house mate. Honestly that’s reason number 1 to work. You can have spending money to buy on copes
 
So almost all of the value of your labor going to him is fair? And employees risk something much more valuable than money: their health and lives, so you have it backwards. The employees deserve more from the business than what their bosses make.
If I want to work harder I should have the chance to make money
 
Get out the house mate. Honestly that’s reason number 1 to work. You can have spending money to buy on copes
most places won't hire be due to disabilites, and even if i could work I rather not, i know a few tricks online to make some cash if needed
 
Taxes are a necessary part of a "free market"
MODERATE. I believe that people should have a chance of getting rich then going, I’ll pay for this road and give the money to a construction firm not taxes to gov some of which goes to war mongering politicians and some to construction companies to build roads mate
 
MODERATE. I believe that people should have a chance of getting rich then going, I’ll pay for this road and give the money to a construction firm not taxes to gov some of which goes to war mongering politicians and some to construction companies to build roads mate
You only oppose socialism cause the current gov is shit.
Understandable
 
You only oppose socialism cause the current gov is shit.
Understandable
Should I be taxed a LITTLE bit (5%) for community issues. Yeah if I can see my money going towards solving them and I working yeah I can’t argue against that mate.
If you’re going to tax me and win people like me over DO NOT TAKE THE PISS mate
 

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