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Hypocrisy Why I heavily dislike the term "moralfag" and think terms like "agecuck" or simply "hypocrite" are much more accurate

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The term "moralfag" is popularly used to describe people who:

1) think it's wrong for men above a given arbitrary age to have sex or relationships with women under another given arbitrary age, even if such women are already sexually developed and sexually active

2) think men who download CP from the internet without paying anything for it should be jailed or forcefully intervened by the government in some other way (more often than not considering the nature of the crime depicted in this kind of media suis generis , i.e. the only one whose simple possession in media format should be outlawed)

In the first category aforementioned, the use of the term "moralfag" is utterly misapplied. There's absolutely nothing moral about arbitrarily choosing which men can fuck a sexually mature woman freely and which deserve to get their lives ruined over the same action. The term "agecuck" is much more adequate, because those men are basically cucks for young women. "I will mount guard for you so you can fuck teen Chad without any adult men (category that includes myself) bothering you, m'lady."

In the second category, yeah, it is immoral to enjoy CP, but the fact is that someone who just downloaded media for free from the internet should not be criminalized if we are to use consistent, objective criteria for what should be a crime and what should not (as opposed to using criteria like "they gave attention to it!", "they enjoyed it!", etc - giving attention to things or enjoying things should not be crimes, just apply it universally and you easily see why this is the case). (As argued by me here)

For this second class of so-called "moralfags", there are two terms more suitable: if he wants to criminalize simple possession/watching of all media containing crimes, they're for an authoritarian, intrusive, tyrannical, anti-freedom type of government that heavily controls what people can watch or not on the internet. He could be described as "authoritarian". If they think CP is something suis generis for whatever arbitrary emotional reasons they give to differ it from torture, murder or other crimes, the term for them should be HYPOCRITE.

There's a third common use to the term "moralfag" which is basically "someone who's against little children being actually raped". In this case, the term is pretty much moot because anyone with basic morals and/or empathy is against that, probably most pedophiles included even.
 
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Still can't deal with the fact that your viewpoint was debunked?
 
Dude this is embarrassing he destroyed you just quit while you're ahead
Repeating the same thing like a parrot and ignoring what others say=destroying. Hmm seems legit.
 
Still can't deal with the fact that your viewpoint was debunked?
Dude, you stopped addressing and replying to my points in like 6 different occasions and then just switched to spouting random sophistry. I utterly proved you wrong and anyone who reads all of this thread can clearly see it.
 
How is an age cuck defined?
 
How is an age cuck defined?
Someone who picks and chooses which men can fuck a sexually developed young woman and which cannot based on arbitrary rules concerning the ages of people involved.
 
For these second class of so-called "moralfags", there are two terms more suitable: if he wants to criminalize simple possession/watching of all media containing crimes, they're for an authoritarian, intrusive, tyrannical, anti-freedom type of government that heavily controls what people can watch or not on the internet.
There is something to be said about criminalizing the distribution of content in which people are murdered, mutilated, or abused. How would you feel if that was you or someone you know in one of those videos? Although yeah making possession of this sort of material illegal seems arbitrary and wasteful, as a single individual doing nothing more than seeing it isn't really harming anyone in and of itself.
 
Someone who picks and chooses which men can fuck a sexually developed young woman and which cannot based on arbitrary rules concerning the ages of people involved.
So anyone who says that’s pedophilia because she’s underage or she’s not this age
 
Dude, you stopped addressing and replying to my points in like 6 different occasions and then just switched to spouting random sophistry. I utterly proved you wrong and anyone who reads all of this thread can clearly see it.
I have said it already. I have made my reply by showing conclusively that 1. Gore porn equivalence is stupid and cope. 2. Cp downloaders do actually aid and abbett the industry by being a part of it. 3. Cp watchers require some intervention and just cannot be left alone to fap to child rape.

If you deliberately ignore the part that a freeware consumer plays in an industry what else am I supposed to say?

And if you make arguments like "punching people = child rape", how am I supposed to take you seriously?
 
There is something to be said about criminalizing the distribution of content in which people are murdered, mutilated, or abused. How would you feel if that was you or someone you know in one of those videos? Although yeah making possession of this sort of material illegal seems arbitrary and wasteful, as a single individual doing nothing more than seeing it isn't really harming anyone in and of itself.
I respect people who are for the ban of simple possession of media containing all these crimes much more than I respect hypocrites, even if I still disagree with them.

If someone laughs at a person being tortured or killed, this is immoral and repulsive to me, but the fact is, if all said person did was download media for free from the internet, they didn't contribute in any way to the crime and therefore they should not be prosecuted.
I have said it already. I have made my replying by showing conclusively that 1. Gore porn equivalence is stupid and cope. 2. Cp downloaders do actually aid and abbett the industry by being a part of it. 3. Cp watchers require some intervention and just cannot be left alone to fap to child rape.

If you deliberately ignore the part that a freeware consumer plays in an industry what else am I supposed to say?

And if you make arguments like "punching people = child rape", how am I supposed to take you seriously?
I already refuted all your arguments several times in the other thread, I'm done with you. Just go there and re-read the thread.
 
I have said it already. I have made my reply by showing conclusively that 1. Gore porn equivalence is stupid and cope. 2. Cp downloaders do actually aid and abbett the industry by being a part of it. 3. Cp watchers require some intervention and just cannot be left alone to fap to child rape.

If you deliberately ignore the part that a freeware consumer plays in an industry what else am I supposed to say?

And if you make arguments like "punching people = child rape", how am I supposed to take you seriously?
  1. Plenty of men watch snuff vids because of an urge to murder people.
  2. That argument can't be made for those who watch it without even leaving a comment. And it's not as if pedos would stop doing their thing if CP didn't exist. Nobody thinks "hey, I'm gonna fuck a child because I'll get attention for it on the internet!!". And yes most CP is free, before you report me to the feds no I don't watch it fuck off.
  3. Incels require some intervention and just cannot be left alone to be misogynistic and spread hate.
 
Moralfag is ab annoying phrase tbh
 
Moralfag applies to more than just that tbh. It's to do with anything where someone is giving some kind of moral lecture, so saying not to doxx IT is moralfagging imo.
 
Repeating the same thing like a parrot and ignoring what others say=destroying. Hmm seems legit.

lol i blocked him, interacting with him was no different to interacting with a bot. He only has the IQ/capability of repeating certain phrases over and over like a severely autistic retard.
 
  1. Plenty of men watch snuff vids because of an urge to murder people.
  2. That argument can't be made for those who watch it without even leaving a comment. And it's not as if pedos would stop doing their thing if CP didn't exist. Nobody thinks "hey, I'm gonna fuck a child because I'll get attention for it on the internet!!". And yes most CP is free, before you report me to the feds no I don't watch it fuck off.
  3. Incels require some intervention and just cannot be left alone to be misogynistic and spread hate.
1. Snuff videos where actual people are deliberately hurt for the consumption of viewers should be banned. Both production and consumption. Also urge to murder is a psychologically different concept than pedophilia. Separate research and methods need to be applied to recognize potential subjects and treat them.

2. I am not reporting anyone here jfl. We already have enough shit to deal with. Thing is consumer is a part of it. No one would upload a file for free after buying it if he knew there was no consumer. Pedophiles on the dark web collude and share stuff. They talk. You don't just "fall upon it". Pedophiles will always exist, so will murder and rape that doesn't change anything. Also unlawful possession helps enforcement nab distributors and disrupt supply chain.

3. Being misogynist is not a crime(yet).
I already refuted all your arguments several times in the other thread, I'm done with you. Just go there and re-read the thread.
Whatever you want to believe. I had said already that I am done and idc anymore. Then you had to go on and make this thread. If you want to win at something so desperately, go ahead think whatever you want. Here have a winner cookie.
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lol i blocked him, interacting with him was no different to interacting with a bot. He only has the IQ/capability of repeating certain phrases over and over like a severely autistic retard.
t. faggot who can't refute my arguments and wants his fellow men jailed for thought crimes.

I wonder how you hypocrite retards would react if this:
Incels require some intervention and just cannot be left alone to be misogynistic and spread hate.

...took place. We both know it's not unlikely at all. Good luck trying to say "but it's different!!!!!!!!!!" to the authorities.

Who here said they like 11 year olds?
That was such an obvious and low effort strawman I didn't even bother, neither should you, my friend.
 
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No one cares that youre a pedophile
 
No one cares that youre a pedophile
I'm not a pedophile and yes, people do care about pedophiles, enough to want them jailed even when they didn't harm or even touch anyone.
 
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I'm not a pedophile and yes, people do care about pedophiles, enough to want them jailed even when they didn't harm or even touch anyone.
Someone touched those little kids
 
And the people who pay for it. And when the police find it on your pc how are you gonna prove you didnt pay for it
I agree, if you pay for it, you should be prosecuted.

Dude, I'm not a pedophile and I don't mess with CP. I gave my reasons for being so adamant about this topic in the other thread. It's profoundly sad to me that even on a fucking incel forum lots of people defend millions of men getting their lives ruined for downloading media for free from the internet, especially when it's done in a hypocritical way (people can download torture videos but not CP videos for free).

As for the question: if the authorities can't prove that someone payed for it, they shouldn't be jailed. Innocent until proven guilty. This is law 101.
 
I'm not a pedophile and yes, people do care about pedophiles, enough to want them jailed even when they didn't harm or even touch anyone.
Only a pedo would be arguing so fervently about cp...is what the average person thinks. It's not a hill worth dying on unless you're actually a pedo.
 
Only a pedo would be arguing so fervently about cp...is what the average person thinks. It's not a hill worth dying on unless you're actually a pedo.
That's a non sequitur, but ok, I know I can't expect much from the average person in that regard. I thought I could from you guys though :feelsbadman:

Ryo was right all along. Gynocentrism is way too powerful and men will always fuck each other over, even in a red- or blackpilled environment. I agree that raping children is something terrible, but the truth is, the reason why so many people get more shocked by a guy touching a little girl than they do with some Mexican guy having his eyes gouged out is also gynocentrism. So they enthusiastically support someone who just watched that shit without paying for it in any way getting his life ruined, even when this is illogical and not consistently applied to similar scenarios.
 
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Only a pedo would be arguing so fervently about cp...is what the average person thinks. It's not a hill worth dying on unless you're actually a pedo.
Real pedos won’t say anything that will get them accused of pedophilia.
 
FBIQ
@Caesercel: Open up!
Pee u pee u. :feelzez::feelsbaton::feelsbaton::feelsbaton:
Lol. I am no glow nigger. And I must resist the temptation to say anything. I mean look at this masterpiece...
It's profoundly sad to me that even on a fucking incel forum lots of people defend millions of men getting their lives ruined for downloading CHILD RAPE VIDEOS for free from the internet,
They are making it so easy. But I must resist
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Pee u pee u. :feelzez::feelsbaton::feelsbaton::feelsbaton:
Lol. I am no glow nigger. And I must resist the temptation to say anything. I mean look at this masterpiece...

They are making it so easy. But I must resist
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Even when you appeal to emotion like that, that doesn't change the fact that (again, I have to repeat myself, I know it's getting boring):

1) people who didn't pay for it didn't contribute to the raping in any way. I defined "industry" quoting from the Cambridge dictionary in the other thread and it's defined as producing things FOR SALE. If you don't pay, you're not supporting an industry.

2) people download torture videos, torture is worse than rape, they don't get jailed or prosecuted in any way. "BUT IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THIS HYPOTHETICAL EMOTIONAL FACTOR I ASSUME HERE! ALL PEDOS WANT ATTENTION! NO GORE PRODUCER WANTS IT!" - no, it's not.

Read this again please.
 
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Even when you appeal to emotion like that, that doesn't change the fact that (again, I have to repeat myself, I know it's getting boring):

1) people who didn't pay for it didn't contribute to the raping in any way. I defined "industry" quoting from the Cambridge dictionary in the other thread and it's defined and producing things FOR SALE. If you don't pay, you're not supporting an industry.

2) people download torture videos, torture is worse than rape, they don't get jailed or prosecuted in any way. "BUT IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THIS HYPOTHETICAL EMOTIONAL FACTOR HERE I ASSUME HERE! ALL PEDOS WANT ATTENTION! NO GORE PRODUCER WANTS IT!" - no, it's not.
It’s crazy how internet can debate any topic civilly except this topic
 
Even when you appeal to emotion like that, that doesn't change the fact that (again, I have to repeat myself, I know it's getting boring):

1) people who didn't pay for it didn't contribute to the raping in anyway. I defined "industry" quoting from the Cambridge dictionary in the other thread and it's defined and producing things FOR SALE. If you don't pay, you're not supporting an industry.

2) people download torture videos, torture is worse than rape, they don't get jailed or prosecuted in any way. "BUT IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THIS HYPOTHETICAL EMOTIONAL FACTOR HERE I ASSUME HERE!" - no, it's not.
Whatever you want to tell yourself dude. Broken recording won't get you anywhere and saying the same shit again and again won't make it true.

Thing is, if a god of the bible exists and is just(i highly doubt btw), he has heard the curse of those kids. If you think you can just pray it away that won't happen dude. God knows and the curse of those kids would heavily outweigh your prayers.
 
It’s crazy how internet can debate any topic civilly except this topic
@Caesercel can't argument logically when it comes to this. If you see this posts, you only see appeals to emotion, to "common sense", etc, and desperate failed attempts to argue that CP is somehow different from gore (all of which were refuted here and he never replied to this post). It's not only him, most people are like that. But laws should not be based on emotions - face it, the person who downloaded media for free didn't harm anyone.
 
@Caesercel can't argument logically when it comes to this. If you see this posts, you only see appeals to emotion, to "common sense", etc, and desperate failed attempts to argue that CP is somehow different from gore (all of which were refuted here and he never replied to this post). It's not only him, most people are like that. But laws should not be based on emotions - face it, the person who downloaded media for free didn't harm anyone.
Most people would assume I’m harming children if I drew a drawing of a naked child
 
Whatever you want to tell yourself dude. Broken recording won't get you anywhere and saying the same shit again and again won't make it true.
I'm repeating myself because you are. You didn't refute any of my arguments, you've failed like 10 times already to explain why torture videos are magically different from CP when both are media containing crimes (and torture is more serious than rape).

Thing is, if a god of the bible exists and is just(i highly doubt btw), he has heard the curse of those kids. If you think you can just pray it away that won't happen dude. God knows and the curse of those kids would heavily outweigh your prayers.
What about the curse of someone whose eyes are gouged out in a torture video? Also, I never raped a kid (or anyone), never financed it, etc. Never even messed with CP for that matter.

As I already said thousands of times, both fapping to CP and to gore (or laughing at gore, or deriving pleasure from gore in any way) are morally wrong. But that doesn't mean they should be crimes. Being a disgusting pedo or a disgusting sadist shouldn't be crimes if you don't harm anyone, as immoral as both are.
 
Lol. I am no glow nigger.
No, but super-pedo by inversion of this logic. I mean, we can say, that this is one of the last place of virtue signaling on the internet. It is not Reddit or twitter. Why should a guy who has this paraphilia here playing the anti-pedo? So defending CP viewers = nothing, what pedos would do. Not defending CP viewers = also nothing, what pedos would do? I find this logic a bit crooked. But I still hold myself back with accusations. Judging by their words.
But I am tired of all of this anyway. No big motivation for participating in the discussion. I like reading the logical thoughts of mainländer in the OP post, but still cannot fully agree with it. Don't know if it is due to emotion. I wish there would be some middle ground guy.
Thing is, if a god of the bible exists and is just(i highly doubt btw), he has heard the curse of those kids. If you think you can just pray it away that won't happen dude. God knows and the curse of those kids would heavily outweigh your prayers.
I think mainländer stated before that producing and watching CP is immoral.
 
high iq
i miss the k-on pfp
 
I'm repeating myself because you are. You didn't refute any of my arguments, you've failed like 10 times already to explain why torture videos are magically different from CP when both are media containing crimes (and torture is more serious than rape).
You actually think I am trying to argue with you? I stopped arguing the moment you stated "punching people=child rape". I am just having some fun now. Like talking to an anti-vaxxer or flat earther. Just let them open their mouth and the fun begins. I could make a collection of beautiful quotes like this one, the one I just used and many others from your posts.
Also, I never raped a kid (or anyone), never financed it, etc. Never even messed with CP for that matter.
Suuuuuuuure, whatever you say bro.
 
"punching people=child rape"
You keep using that strawman.

I used the "videos of people being punched" example to show how the outlawing of JUST possession of CP and not of other crimes makes no sense when you apply the principle universally.

Is having sex with children a crime? Yes.
Is physical assault a crime? Yes.

You think the former is more serious than the second and I wholeheartedly agree. But the point is, if possession of media containing violent crimes against people should be illegal, what should happen, if we apply the principle consistently, is that both of those should be crimes, even if one has a much milder sentence than the other.

X= more serious crime
Y= less serious crime

Simple possession of media containing X= crime
Simple possession of media containing Y= SHOULD BE A CRIME AS WELL ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC, only a less serious one, but still a crime.

All I'm doing is applying your logic consistently. And if you don't like the people being punched example, let's go back to the torture example then:

X= more serious crime (gouging someone's eyes out)
Y= less serious crime (raping someone)

Simple possession of media containing Y= crime
Simple possession of media containing X= HOW CAN IT NOT BE A CRIME?

All I'm doing is using logic. I'm applying your criteria of what should be a crime consistently.
You actually think I am trying to argue with you? I stopped arguing the moment you stated "punching people=child rape". I am just having some fun now. Like talking to an anti-vaxxer or flat earther. Just let them open their mouth and the fun begins. I could make a collection of beautiful quotes like this one, the one I just used and many others from your posts.

Suuuuuuuure, whatever you say bro.
You keep trying to use appeal to emotion, ad hominem attacks, strawmen, non sequitur, I can't see how you possibly think you're winning this debate. I just used logic and consistent application of criteria and principles from the beginning to the end.
 
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No, but super-pedo by inversion of this logic. I mean, we can say, that this is one of the last place of virtue signaling on the internet. It is not Reddit or twitter. Why should a guy who has this paraphilia here playing the anti-pedo? So defending CP viewers = nothing, what pedos would do. Not defending CP viewers = also nothing, what pedos would do? I find this logic a bit crooked. But I still hold myself back with accusations. Judging by their words.
But I am tired of all of this anyway. No big motivation for participating in the discussion. I like reading the logical thoughts of mainländer in the OP post, but still cannot fully agree with it. Don't know if it is due to emotion. I wish there would be some middle ground guy.

I think mainländer stated before that producing and watching CP is immoral.
Possessing and consuming it is immoral as well. And there is good reason why it is illegal too.
Don't take any of this too seriously though. I am just messing around. Just use your instincts if in doubt. I lost all motivation to debate a while ago as well.
You keep using that strawman.

I used the "videos of people being punched" example to show how the outlawing of JUST possession of CP and not of other crimes makes no sense when you apply the principle universally.

Is having sex with children a crime? Yes.
Is physical assault a crime? Yes.

You think the former is more serious than the second and I wholeheartedly agree. But the point is, if possession of media containing violent crimes against people should be illegal, what should happen, if we apply the principle consistently, is that both of those should be crimes, even if one has a much milder sentence than the other.

X= more serious crime
Y= less serious crime

Simple possession of media containing X= crime
Simple possession of media containing Y= SHOULD BE A CRIME AS WELL ACCORDING TO YOUR LOGIC, only a less serious one, but still a crime.

All I'm doing is applying your logic consistently. And if you don't like the people being punched example, let's go back to the torture example then:

X= more serious crime (gouging someone's eyes out)
Y= less serious crime (raping someone)

Simple possession of media containing Y= crime
Simple possession of media containing X= HOW CAN IT BE NOT A CRIME?

All I'm doing is using logic. I'm applying your criteria of what should be a crime consistently.

You keep trying to use appeal to emotion, ad hominem attacks, strawmans, non sequitur, I can't see how you possibly think you're winning this debate. I just used logic and consistent application of criteria and principles from the beginning to the end.
Its not a strawman, its literally what you said. I could link the quote if you want.

Look I already gave you the winner cookie. Just give up and stop pestering my feed. I don't want bad blood with anyone here. We can debate later on other topics,this time maybe ones more relevant to blackpill.
 
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There's absolutely nothing moral about arbitrarily choosing which men can fuck a sexually mature woman freely and which deserve to get their lives ruined over the same action

What the hell are you talking about, the people who take this stance are taking a moral stance, they literally say that guys who are "cradle robbers" are immoral, it is a moral issue for them
 
What the hell are you talking about, the people who take this stance are taking a moral stance, they literally say that guys who are "cradle robbers" are immoral, it is a moral issue for them
As a Christian, I believe in objective morality, but I'm aware many would disagree on this one. It's not a matter as simple as the one discussed previously ITT.
 
Possessing and consuming it is immoral as well. And there is good reason why it is illegal too.
Don't take any of this too seriously though. I am just messing around. Just use your instincts if in doubt. I lost all motivation to debate a while ago as well.

Its not a strawman, its literally what you said. I could link the quote if you want.

Look I already gave you the winner cookie. Just give up and stop pestering my feed. I don't want bad blood with anyone here. We can debate later on other topics,this time maybe ones more relevant to blackpill.
should viewing videos of professional killers killing their victims be illegal?
 
As a Christian, I believe in objective morality, but I'm aware many would disagree on this one. It's not a matter as simple as the one discussed previously ITT.

Objective morality is an oxymoron, because morality implies an absolute good or evil choice and there isn't, there are always loopholes and exceptions

If morality was absolute, it would function like laws of nature, if you killed someone you would be punished in the same way that if you jump off a tall building gravity would act upon your body

Things that actually exist don't require humans to enforce them, and they don't require a human to witness the act for it to function

If morality functioned like the laws of nature I'd agree with you completely, but it doesn't, not only that, it changes from era to era, we all think that the things our ancestors did were "barbaric" and "immoral", yet ironically we will be considered the same by our descendants (by "our" descendants I mean people of the future, we won't be having any children lol)
 
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should viewing videos of professional killers killing their victims be illegal?
Yes of course. Especially if that's an industry(organized or amateur) with a supply chain and consistent exploitation. The key here is, that guy wouldn't be dead if people didn't watch such stuff.
 
Yes of course. Especially if that's an industry(organized or amateur) with a supply chain and consistent exploitation. The key here is, that guy wouldn't be dead if people didn't watch such stuff.
@Mainländer thoughts?
 
@Mainländer thoughts?
He is busy in offtopic with frothy. I have left another detailed comment, outlining my view, for Billk there if you wish to see.
 
@Mainländer thoughts?
People who don't give money to an industry are not supporting said industry because an industry is about producing things and selling them. Go look into any dictionary, words like "sale", "selling", "economy" will always be in the definition of the word "industry". Also, both most CP and most gore are not produced by "industries", they are amateur.

That being said, rape is horrible and sinful, torture is horrible and sinful, murder is horrible and sinful, I get it.
 
People who don't give money to an industry are not supporting said industry because an industry is about producing things and selling them. Go look into any dictionary, words like "sale", "selling", "economy" will always be in the definition of the word "industry". Also, both most CP and most gore are not produced by "industries", they are amateur.

That being said, rape is horrible and sinful, torture is horrible and sinful, murder is horrible and sinful, I get it.
saying that someone is supporting chomos by watching cp is like saying i support musicians by downloading from napster
 

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