Discussion If a person is arrested for looking at child porn because it’s illegal, shouldn’t it be a criminal offense to look at videos of someone being killed?

[Edmund_Kemper]

Child porn is illegal because it shows illegal behavior. But doesn’t that mean that videos of someone being killed should be illegal? And shouldn’t someone who watch murder videos be arrested too? Or should those who look at illegal porn videos just go through rehabilitation? (You’re low IQ if you think they can’t be rehabilitated for simply looking at illegal videos and images). What if I looked at a video of someone being raped?

@Mainländer @Personalityinkwell ive seen your opinion on this

 

[FrothySolutions]

Child porn is illegal because it supports an illegal industry. You're aiding child pornography by being patron to it. Or at least that's what they're trying to prevent.

 

[Lone-Star]

no

 

[Deleted member 26884]

Child porn is illegal because it supports an illegal industry. You're aiding child pornography by being patron to it. Or at least that's what they're trying to prevent.

 

[PoodankMcGee]

I dont see any problem of viewing that shit in and of itself. Usually the argument I hear is that youre supporting the commitment of those illegal acts by viewing it... somehow? Paying for CP or snuff films should be illegal, but it doesn't really make sense to me for the viewing/possession to be illegal. Maybe them child rapists live off their ad revenue or something jfl

 

[Personalityinkwell]

@Personalityinkwell ive seen your opinion on this

never talked about videos of people being killed.

I dont see any problem of viewing that shit in and of itself. Usually the argument I hear is that youre supporting the commitment of those illegal acts by viewing it... somehow? Paying for CP or snuff films should be illegal, but it doesn't really make sense to me for the viewing/possession to be illegal. Maybe them child rapists live off their ad revenue or something jfl

this tbh

 

[Mainländer]

Just watching stuff downloaded from the internet for free shouldn't be a crime. But if people are going criminalize it, they should at the very least be consistent and criminalize simple possession of all media containing crimes, so gore as well.

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

Child porn is illegal because it supports an illegal industry. You're aiding child pornography by being patron to it. Or at least that's what they're trying to prevent.

I don’t think you make any contribution by watching a video for free, but even then, it doesn’t make you as bad as the chomo in the video. If there was professional murderers murdering people in vids and I watched them or even paid to, that wouldn’t make me a murderer

 

[Mainländer]

I dont see any problem of viewing that shit in and of itself. Usually the argument I hear is that youre supporting the commitment of those illegal acts by viewing it... somehow? Paying for CP or snuff films should be illegal, but it doesn't really make sense to me for the viewing/possession to be illegal. Maybe them child rapists live off their ad revenue or something jfl

This. If you're not paying anything for it, you're not supporting it.

Downloads movies for free= piracy, hurts the movie industry
Downloads CP for free= somehow supports the CP "industry"

It doesn't make any sense, it's just people being overly emotional because they're disgusted at the thought of a man fapping to CP.

 

[Deleted member 20811]

IT bait

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

Just watching stuff downloaded from the internet for free shouldn't be a crime. But if people are going criminalize it, they should at the very least be consistent and criminalize simple possession of all media containing crimes, so gore as well.

People who watch the video aren’t even actually involved in it

This. If you're not paying anything for it, you're not supporting it.

Downloads movies for free= piracy, hurts the movie industry
Downloads CP for free= somehow supports the CP "industry"

It doesn't make any sense, it's just people being overly emotional because they're disgusted at the thought of a man fapping to CP.

Nobody would blame a Napster/Limewire user for getting rid of music sales, but they would still be ok with blaming the guys who created Napster

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

You have to understand that jews made these laws. So of course nothing makes sense. Even what constitutes child porn doesn't make sense.

Obviously looking at naked children or older people having sex with a child would be considered just that.

But Is Viewing an upskirt of a little girl child porn?

Is watching a gymnastics class for little girls childporn?

Is viewing a suggestive photo of a clothed little girl doing a suggestive pose or action considered child porn?

The definition of what it is changes. There's no set rule.

Also who gets to decide whats porn and what isn't?

 

[Mainländer]

People who watch the video aren’t even actually involved in it

Not to mention they are watching it after the crime has already happened. So even comparing it to someone watching a crime IRL is not a good enough comparison, you're watching footage of a crime that has already been committed and is available for download for free on the internet.

You have to understand that jews made these laws. So of course nothing makes sense. Even what constitutes child porn doesn't make sense.

Those laws that criminalize simple possession of CP were pushed by the UN in the last decades throughout the world. Most people don't know this, but many countries didn't criminalize simple possession of CP until just a couple of years ago. Countries like Japan, Russia, Argentina, Paraguay (I think it's still legal there).

In Argentina it became legal last year or so. Brazil it became illegal in 2005 if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Caesercel]

Such a bullshit cope. If in a murder video, the murder is done for the video itself then of course supporting such industry should be immoral and illegal. But that's rarely the case.

In case of child porn the child is ruined explicity for the purpose of videographic consumption. So its consumption is immoral at the outset. Plus pedos who possess cp are potential child abusers so they shod be recorded and institutionalized ASAP.

So many pedofags on this forum.

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

Not to mention they are watching it after the crime has already happened. So even comparing it to someone watching a crime IRL is not a good enough comparison, you're watching footage of a crime that has already been committed and is available for download for free on the internet.

Those laws that criminalize simple possession of CP were pushed by the UN in the last decades throughout the world. Most people don't know this, but many countries didn't criminalize simple possession of CP until just a couple of years ago. Countries like Japan, Russia, Argentina, Paraguay (I think it's still legal there).

In Argentina it became legal last year or so. Brazil it became illegal in 2005 if I'm not mistaken.

i think the moral panic over pedophiles is why it’s a criminal offense to view cp but not one to watch people get killed

 

[Mainländer]

i think the moral panic over pedophiles is why it’s a criminal offense to view cp but not one to watch people get killed

Without a shadow of a doubt. It's also because pedophilia is a mostly male condition.

 

[Caesercel]

Child porn is illegal because it supports an illegal industry. You're aiding child pornography by being patron to it. Or at least that's what they're trying to prevent.

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IT bait

Not really. These people actually believe this stuff. Meanwhile watching a 10 year old child sucking a man's cock and fapping to it. Disgusting fucks the lot of them.

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

Such a bullshit cope. If in a murder video, the murder is done for the video itself then of course supporting such industry should be immoral and illegal. But that's rarely the case.

In case of child porn the child is ruined explicity for the purpose of videographic consumption. So its consumption is immoral at the outset. Plus pedos who possess cp are potential child abusers so they shod be recorded and institutionalized ASAP.

So many pedofags on this forum.

Actually many child molesters don’t view CP and many CP viewers don’t molest children according to studies. Also, studies believe it or not show that Viewing child porn deters child molestation (not defending child porn but just showing unpopular facts). Also, if a child porn video is uploaded onto a simple website for simple viewing like YouTube, it isn’t really an industry. Same with a minor taking a simple naked selfie. So your argument doesn’t work. If viewing cp is a criminal offense, so should viewing any vid of someone being murdered. Also, nobody is a pedo on here, you’re just a pedo panicker moralfag.

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Not really. These people actually believe this stuff. Meanwhile watching a 10 year old child sucking a man's cock and fapping to it. Disgusting fucks the lot of them.

Seriously someone get this moralfag off here. Nobody here is jerking off to CP, not even jb porn.
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Without a shadow of a doubt. It's also because pedophilia is a mostly male condition.

And you can’t discuss this topic on any other website without people going REEEEEE

 

[Personalityinkwell]

Plus pedos who possess cp are potential child abusers so they shod be recorded and institutionalized ASAP.

this type of thinking is the same kind of thinking that causes people to label all incels who post on incel forums as terrorists

 

[Total Imbecile]

It should be covered under the first amendment, at least watching it, producing it obviously if youre raping a kidd so it should be criminal but LOL at some sequence of 1s and 0s that when interpreted by a specific program which produces images that when played at 24 fps make a video being illegal

Remember when New Zealand tried to wipe that mosque shooting video off the internet? Just because the act being filmed is illegal or shocking shouldnt make the video itself illegal

That said its just not worth it risking going to prison for years and being ostracized, barely legal porn is good enough

 

[FrothySolutions]

I don’t think you make any contribution by watching a video for free, but even then, it doesn’t make you as bad as the chomo in the video. If there was professional murderers murdering people in vids and I watched them or even paid to, that wouldn’t make me a murderer

Yeah, but no one's saying you're a murderer for watching a murder, or a rapist for watching a rape. But if you support a rape industry, that's bad enough.

 

[Caesercel]

Actually many child molesters don’t view CP and many CP viewers don’t molest children according to studies. Also, studies believe it or not show that Viewing child porn deters child molestation (not defending child porn but just showing unpopular facts). Also, if a child porn video is uploaded onto a simple website for simple viewing like YouTube, it isn’t really an industry. Same with a minor taking a simple naked selfie. So your argument doesn’t work. If viewing cp is a criminal offense, so should viewing any vid of someone being murdered. Also, nobody is a pedo on here, you’re just a pedo panicker moralfag.

I can see how viewing cp deters child molestation. Because I had actually witnessed cp twice. The gravity of it did not set in for me until then. In that moment I would have fucked the shut up or even killed the guy acting in that video and the guy who sent me that copy if either were to appear.

But emotions aside, you have to understand the simple fact that murders are not filmed for videographic consumption or distribution. Cp is. That's a big difference. It puts moral responsibility on the consumer for what happened to that child. And humor me, how is cp uploaded on youtube NOT an industry. When almost every content creator on yt is making money.

The fact that many cp viewers don't molest children is irrelevant. They are potential molesters. It may not happen now but the risk is not worth it. Plus they are viewing cp which itself is immoral as proven above, so they are already showing signs of not healthily coping with their urges. This atleast calls for immediate rehabilitation.


And don't give me that "nobody is a pedo here nonsense". I have been with chronic alcoholics and drug addicts, I am all too aware of the shitty excuses that people make for their behaviour. Nobody who is not a pedo would ever look for excuses to justify consumption of child porn.

this type of thinking is the same kind of thinking that causes people to label all incels who post on incel forums as terrorists

The pedo in question is watching and fapping to a kid get raped. Its indication enough he is not right in the head. He may have urges but if he doesn't understand that the child he is witnessing is getting abused then that is a call for rehabilation. Since the subject shows lack of empathy which may lead to criminal behaviour.

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

I can see how viewing cp deters child molestation. Because I had actually witnessed cp twice. The gravity of it did not set in for me until then. In that moment I would have fucked the shut up or even killed the guy acting in that video and the guy who sent me that copy if either were to appear.

But emotions aside, you have to understand the simple fact that murders are not filmed for videographic consumption or distribution. Cp is. That's a big difference. It puts moral responsibility on the consumer for what happened to that child. And humor me, how is cp uploaded on youtube NOT an industry. When almost every content creator on yt is making money.

The fact that many cp viewers don't molest children is irrelevant. They are potential molesters. It may not happen now but the risk is not worth it. Plus they are viewing cp which itself is immoral as proven above, so they are already showing signs of not healthily coping with their urges. This atleast calls for immediate rehabilitation.


And don't give me that "nobody is a pedo here nonsense". I have been with chronic alcoholics and drug addicts, I am all too aware of the shitty excuses that people make for their behaviour. Nobody who is not a pedo would ever look for excuses to justify consumption of child porn.

Nobody here is justifying cp they’re just looking at it without being all panicky like you. Also stop saying “oMGz i’D KiLL CP pRoDuCeRs” you wannabe badass, you’re saying you’d do something that only like 0.01% of people would genuinely do, so stfu and quit trying to impress all the bluepilled cucks on this internet. Also, CP being an industry doesn’t mean that you deserve to be executed for looking at it. You’re simply looking at videos or images, it’s like saying if you voted for a war criminal you should be tried for war crimes. It’s like saying that if I made a murder video industry, those who watch my vids should be executed. It’s dumb. They aren’t directly involved in it just by watching something on their screen. It’s like saying that a music limewire user is responsible for album sale declines when they didn’t directly cause it. Also most you tubers don’t make money, just the famous ones do. You aren’t really doing much by simply looking at a video. It’s like saying that if a YouTube creator who makes money from views beats someone nearly to death in his vid, his viewers should be arrested. Also, many CP viewers can easily be rehabilitated. If you think a guy who simply looks at videos will inevitably reoffend you’re wrong.

 

[epillepsy]

The fact that many cp viewers don't molest children is irrelevant. They are potential molesters. It may not happen now but the risk is not worth it. Plus they are viewing cp which itself is immoral as proven above, so they are already showing signs of not healthily coping with their urges. This at least calls for immediate rehabilitation.

Then viewers of snuff films are potential murderers.
If CP is an outlet for their sexual frustrations (which you admit in the preceding paragraph), isn't it better that they just fap to it instead of molesting a child?

And don't give me that "nobody is a pedo here nonsense". I have been with chronic alcoholics and drug addicts, I am all too aware of the shitty excuses that people make for their behaviour. Nobody who is not a pedo would ever look for excuses to justify consumption of child porn.

By this logic, do you also consider alcoholics and drug addicts to be evil?
And anyone who can separate his personal feelings from his intellectual processes can feel empathy for others who are not like him. How does it make you a pedo to defend someone who has those urges?
As long as you're not solipsistic like a foid and can put yourself in another man's shoes, you should be able to try to understand their plight, even if you yourself aren't in the same situation. If I defend a gun owner and don't own guns myself, that doesn't make me a gun owner. Your logic makes no sense.

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

Yeah, but no one's saying you're a murderer for watching a murder, or a rapist for watching a rape. But if you support a rape industry, that's bad enough.

Doesn’t mean it should be legal but viewing cp is illegal

Then viewers of snuff films are potential murderers.
If CP is an outlet for their sexual frustrations (which you admit in the preceding paragraph), isn't it better that they just fap to it instead of molesting a child?



By this logic, do you also consider alcoholics and drug addicts to be evil?
And anyone who can separate his personal feelings from his intellectual processes can feel empathy for others who are not like him. How does it make you a pedo to defend someone who has those urges?
As long as you're not solipsistic like a foid and can put yourself in another man's shoes, you should be able to try to understand their plight, even if you yourself aren't in the same situation. If I defend a gun owner and don't own guns myself, that doesn't make me a gun owner. Your logic makes no sense.

Caesercel acts like a total moralfag. And he also tries so hard to act like a badass to impress people

It should be covered under the first amendment, at least watching it, producing it obviously if youre raping a kidd so it should be criminal but LOL at some sequence of 1s and 0s that when interpreted by a specific program which produces images that when played at 24 fps make a video being illegal

Remember when New Zealand tried to wipe that mosque shooting video off the internet? Just because the act being filmed is illegal or shocking shouldnt make the video itself illegal

That said its just not worth it risking going to prison for years and being ostracized, barely legal porn is good enough

The mosque shooting video could be available for money online and those who pay to watch probably wouldn’t get arrested but simply looking at some naked photo of a 17 year old is instant prison time

 

[Personalityinkwell]

The pedo in question is watching and fapping to a kid get raped. Its indication enough he is not right in the head. He may have urges but if he doesn't understand that the child he is witnessing is getting abused then that is a call for rehabilation. Since the subject shows lack of empathy which may lead to criminal behaviour.

"indication enough he is not right in the head"

couldn't that same argument be used against people who post on incel forums?

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

"indication enough he is not right in the head"

couldn't that same argument be used against people who post on incel forums?

Exactly. But if logging into incel forums became illegal, then koneko-Dono would be arrested for logging into here LARPing

 

[Caesercel]

Then viewers of snuff films are potential murderers.
If CP is an outlet for their sexual frustrations (which you admit in the preceding paragraph), isn't it better that they just fap to it instead of molesting a child?



By this logic, do you also consider alcoholics and drug addicts to be evil?
And anyone who can separate his personal feelings from his intellectual processes can feel empathy for others who are not like him. How does it make you a pedo to defend someone who has those urges?
As long as you're not solipsistic like a foid and can put yourself in another man's shoes, you should be able to try to understand their plight, even if you yourself aren't in the same situation. If I defend a gun owner and don't own guns myself, that doesn't make me a gun owner. Your logic makes no sense.

Lol the excuses pedos come up with are just excellent.

Snuff film watchers are not watching those cuz they have urges to murder people. Pedos ARE watching it cuz they have urges to sex up a kid. You can't shove your false equivalency everywhere. There is so much psychological difference, pedos physically get off to cp. Btw I am not entirely against the idea of psychologically rehabilitating people whose violence consumption goes into the realm of unhealthy. But its a simple fact that they are not as much of an immediate threat as pedos are. Molesting children especially in family and neighbourhood is far easier and far more common than gory murder.

Secondly, I have sympathy for pedos who find healthy ways to live their lives and cope with their urges rather than support the promotion and distribution of cp by being an active consumer in a criminal act.

Don't try to whitewash cp that easily. Cp consumption is clear indication that the pedo is losing/lost empathy for the kids. He needs rehabilation and maybe institutionalization. But noooooooo, you guys would rather "sympathize" with someone who jacks off to children getting raped and violated and support him in that act. Further, I don't think alcoholics and drug addicts are evil but the addiction could make them harmful to those around them, I am just stating that the kind of excuses people are making here to justify a clearly disgusting act is sooo very similar to other people who harm themselves, others and then look for excuses

"indication enough he is not right in the head"

couldn't that same argument be used against people who post on incel forums?

False equivalency. There is a difference between writing words on a forum to vent and jacking off to a child getting raped. Both could be put under the uselessly broad category of "anti-social" behaviour but the implications matter a lot. The worse an incel can do is go ER, and even then it takes much more than just being an incel to commit an act like that(no matter what IT says).

A pedo who jackes off to child rape already made the choice of watching and enjoying a child get violated. It did not raise any moral red flags in him. He did not question his decision or did and still went along with his urges. This person is not coping well. This is a dangerous person.

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

Lol the excuses pedos come up with are just excellent.

Snuff film watchers are not watching those cuz they have urges to murder people. Pedos ARE watching it cuz they have urges to sex up a kid. You can't shove your false equivalency everywhere. There is so much psychological difference, pedos physically get off to cp. Btw I am not entirely against the idea of psychologically rehabilitating people whose violence consumption goes into the realm of unhealthy. But its a simple fact that they are not as much of an immediate threat as pedos are. Molesting children especially in family and neighbourhood is far easier and far more common than gory murder.

Secondly, I have sympathy for pedos who find healthy ways to live their lives and cope with their urges rather than support the promotion and distribution of cp by being an active consumer in a criminal act.

Don't try to whitewash cp that easily. Cp consumption is clear indication that the pedo is losing/lost empathy for the kids. He needs rehabilation and maybe institutionalization. But noooooooo, you guys would rather "sympathize" with someone who jacks off to children getting raped and violated and support him in that act. Further, I don't think alcoholics and drug addicts are evil but the addiction could make them harmful to those around them, I am just stating that the kind of excuses people are making here to justify a clearly disgusting act is sooo very similar to other people who harm themselves, others and then look for excuses

False equivalency. There is a difference between writing words on a forum to vent and jacking off to a child getting raped. Both could be put under the uselessly broad category of "anti-social" behaviour but the implications matter a lot. The worse an incel can do is go ER, and even then it takes much more than just being an incel to commit an act like that(no matter what IT says).

A pedo who jackes off to child rape already made the choice of watching and enjoying a child get violated. It did not raise any moral red flags in him. He did not question his decision or did and still went along with his urges. This person is not coping well. This is a dangerous person.

You clearly are ignorant. Many pedophiles who look at CP aren’t doing it because they don’t care about morals, many do it because they can’t find someone to talk to and feel hated by society and isolated and feel they have nothing to lose, so they convince themselves that sex with children is harmless to feel less guilty about actin on it, not because they don’t care about morals. Also, some CP isn’t a child getting raped and screaming for help. Some of it is simply nude photos and in some videos, the child is actually enjoying the sexual activity they engage in with someone else, many investigators have noticed this when viewing cp and were shocked. So CP viewers aren’t sadistic. Also, not everyone who uploads cp makes money off it, and viewing a video or downloading for free doesn’t give them money or support. You’re acting like A trump supporter should be tried for war crimes for simply voting trump if trump ever did commit a war crime. Also stop accusing people of being “peDoS” like a moralfag cuck, it doesn’t deter us from looking at it without being all panicky and uptight. If I uploaded a video of myself killing someone and each view gave me money, nobody would want the viewers executed, but an amateur photo of a naked child I view it and everyone wants me castrated and murdered. You aren’t directly involved just for being one of the thousands or millions who view a free video. Enough of the guilt by association fallacy

 

[Personalityinkwell]

False equivalency. There is a difference between writing words on a forum to vent and jacking off to a child getting raped. Both could be put under the uselessly broad category of "anti-social" behaviour but the implications matter a lot. The worse an incel can do is go ER, and even then it takes much more than just being an incel to commit an act like that(no matter what IT says).

A pedo who jackes off to child rape already made the choice of watching and enjoying a child get violated. It did not raise any moral red flags in him. He did not question his decision or did and still went along with his urges. This person is not coping well. This is a dangerous person.

depends how you define "rape"

if the two people engaging in the sexual activities are both under the age of consent, who got raped?

 

[azathoth1919]

Ban porn and, frankly, ban gore.
Also:

>(Incels: 19, (((Bluepillers))): 41)

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

depends how you define "rape"

if the two people engaging in the sexual activities are both under the age of consent, who got raped?

And when people say “minors cannot consent” doesn’t consent just mean to agree to something, it didn’t say to agree and simultaneously be 18+

 

[Personalityinkwell]

And when people say “minors cannot consent” doesn’t consent just mean to agree to something, it didn’t say to agree and simultaneously be 18+

yeah it's a bullshit legal phrasing.

minors cannot consent in a way that COUNT LEGALLY

It's like if a basketball player shoots after the buzzer sound and it goes in. Does it count? No. But he still made the shot.

 

[Caesercel]

depends how you define "rape"

if the two people engaging in the sexual activities are both under the age of consent, who got raped?

Both. But I must make a distinction since you mentioned "age of consent" which is reasonably 14 in many places and unreasonably 18 in many others. That aside. Of course it is the adults making and distributing the video who need to be prosecuted.

 

[Personalityinkwell]

Both. But I must make a distinction since you mentioned "age of consent" which is reasonably 14 in many places and unreasonably 18 in many others. That aside. Of course it is the adults making and distributing the video who need to be prosecuted.

many times it's not the adults who make the video, it could be the 13 year old kids

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

yeah it's a bullshit legal phrasing.

minors cannot consent in a way that COUNT LEGALLY

It's like if a basketball player shoots after the buzzer sound and it goes in. Does it count? No. But he still made the shot.

And plus where the AOC is 16, people still command it to be called rape

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

Ban porn and, frankly, ban gore.
Also:

>(Incels: 19, (((Bluepillers))): 41)

Will never happen. Keep coping

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

@Robtical thoughts?

 

[azathoth1919]

Will never happen.

Almost no copes or wishful dreamings on this forum have a chance at happening because it's comprehensively over in all ways.

 

[Caesercel]

many times it's not the adults who make the video, it could be the 13 year old kids

Counselling it is then, depending on the nature, scope and intention of content. Of course all these assumes that the producers are caught. Another distinction, since we live in the age of social media, it is all too common for minors to post compromising stuff online. Just like sex, the legal responsibility lies with the adults who interact with this material. There is no broad stroke for all situations, that's why the legal system considers the circumstances of each case separately. Other than that my point about pedos who consume cp stands.

 

[Michinomiya Hirohit]

I own nude pics of my self and my mom as a child some one wanna buy? 10000k bitcoin no lowballs

 

[Hate_my_life]

This is just stupid.

Nobody watches pornography/sexual content for the "plot" or for "analysis".

People watch sexual content for self-pleasure/gratification. Anybody who watches CP is clearly into that and is allowing that desire in their mind to fester and grow. Society doesn't want any harm to arise to children and as such will (rightfully) ban it.

Also there's a difference between viewing something for curiosity/interest and viewing out of desire.

 

[Personalityinkwell]

This is just stupid.

Nobody watches pornography/sexual content for the "plot" or for "analysis".

People watch sexual content for self-pleasure/gratification. Anybody who watches CP is clearly into that and is allowing that desire in their mind to fester and grow. Society doesn't want any harm to arise to children and as such will (rightfully) ban it.

Also there's a difference between viewing something for curiosity/interest and viewing out of desire.

@Edmund_Kemper is there evidence that those who watch CP end up acting on those impulses IRL a frequent amount of the time, or is this just speculation based on cherrypicking?

 

[Mainländer]

Not to mention they are watching it after the crime has already happened. So even comparing it to someone watching a crime IRL is not a good enough comparison, you're watching footage of a crime that has already been committed and is available for download for free on the internet.

Those laws that criminalize simple possession of CP were pushed by the UN in the last decades throughout the world. Most people don't know this, but many countries didn't criminalize simple possession of CP until just a couple of years ago. Countries like Japan, Russia, Argentina, Paraguay (I think it's still legal there).

In Argentina it became illegal last year or so. Brazil it became illegal in 2005 if I'm not mistaken.

Fixed.

Also there's a difference between viewing something for curiosity/interest and viewing out of desire.

If there isn't a victim, there shouldn't be a crime. If you use a picture of me to fap, or to take a shit over it, or to kiss it, or to worship it, it's your problem. It doesn't affect me in any way. What you do with the media in the privacy of your room is not relevant to whether it should be legal or not. This just further reveals the root of those inconsistencies regarding how simple possession of gore and CP are treated, which are emotions. People assume pedos are fapping to CP, feel disgust and outlaw simple possession of it based on feelings.

With all that said, I feel like I must reiterate that I DO find it immoral (and sinful, of course).

 

[Irishcel]

There’s pretty big difference between some ordinary guy who, out of morbid curiosity decides to visit bestgore and watch some cartel execution video and a pedo who watches child porn.

 

[ShiiOfTheSPLC]

well there isn't as much of an exploitative market for videos of people being killed, at least not to the extent that there is with child porn. so it's an entirely different thing. it's not like there's some industry that murders people just to profit off the ad revenue from bestgore

 

[Mainländer]

out of morbid curiosity

How can you even prove that someone's motivation to download some CP for free wasn't "morbid curiosity" as well? You just look at the guy and assume he fapped to it and his crime is fapping to it? That type of stuff is not relevant, is there a victim or not? Fuck your intentions, if I stab you in the guts, it doesn't matter if I meant it as a joke, I tried to murder you either way. A crime is a crime, a non-crime is a non-crime.

well there isn't as much of an exploitative market for videos of people being killed, at least not to the extent that there is with child porn. so it's an entirely different thing. it's not like there's some industry that murders people just to profit off the ad revenue from bestgore

That's why people who pay for CP must be prosecuted, not people who watch it for free. If you pay for it, you're financing crime, yes. Just like drug addicts do when they give money to violent narcos.

 

[Irishcel]

Fixed.


If there isn't a victim, there shouldn't be a crime. If you use a picture of me to fap, or to take a shit over it, or to kiss it, or to worship it, it's your problem. It doesn't affect me in any way. What you do with the media in the privacy of your room is not relevant to whether it should be legal or not. This just further reveals the root of those inconsistencies between how simple possession of gore and CP are treated, which are emotions. People assume pedos are fapping to CP, feel disgust and outlaw simple possession of it based on feelings.

With all that said, I feel like I must reiterate that I DO find it immoral (and sinful, of course).

You can’t eat meat and argue that you have nothing to do with the animals being slaughtered, you may not have slaughtered them but you’re supporting the slaughter, they’re being slaughtered for your consumption. In the same way, if you consume CP then you are supporting and thus are complicit in the abuse.

 

[Mainländer]

You can’t eat meat and argue that you have nothing to do with the animals being slaughtered, you may not have slaughtered them but you’re supporting the slaughter, they’re being slaughtered for your consumption. In the same way, if you consume CP then you are supporting and thus are complicit in the abuse.

The difference is that pixels on the internet are infinitely replicable. Also, you're not consuming the child, you're just looking at media. Also you didn't give money to the producer if you got it for free from the internet. There are probably even more differences, that's a terrible comparison.

Also, I don't do it, before ad hominem attacks come. I'm too circumspect to even download JB webcam vids. I just feel mad that so many men have their lives ruined over something that shouldn't be a crime (simple possession of media).

 

[Irishcel]

The difference is that pixels on the internet are infinitely replicable. Also, you're not consuming the child, you're just looking at media.

Also, I don't do it, before ad hominems come. I just feel mad that so many men have their lives ruined over something that shouldn't be a crime (simple possession of media).

Why should possession of media not be a crime, if the media in question was produced by molesting children?