Being ugly beyond a certain point definitely impairs some people more than others consider what their skill set is and ways in which they could actualize that potential into a living. However, it's not by itself a deciding factor if the long standing cultural degredation is playing a role, which it is always playing a huge role.
You are a deranged cult member. You are in a cult of your own idiocy and feebleness always afraid of everything you don't understand (which is a lot) and needing constantly seek approval to counteract your mental illness.
Yeah you need to tag him because you are too insecure to fight the battle on your own..
Schizos, you mean like @To koniec ? He usually gets very disgruntled when people make fun of Schizophrenia because he has Schizophrenia. You should be more cognizant of these things shouldn't you?
Based Meme getting angry.
@To koniec look, here is your support system ^you chubby pathetic schizo.
Your boyfriend was trying to slander me to the greatest number of audience on the site and bullshitting by saying it's inceldom discussion. Anyone would be bothered by that.
But..your boyfriends (plural) do that ad nauseam every day all over the forum to an X infinite number of people. So if you don't have arguments and can only use the words "nigger, boyfriend etc" then expect the same response in kind. Be ready, don't be a sour puss.
The other users here that I occasionally tag in relevant threads aren't people I know personally, unlike you and K9, whom you've admitted you know IRL. This doesn't compare in the slightest.
He has nothing else.
He’s not blackpilled, that’s all there is to it.
Us knowing each other is irrelevant in this regard. I'm not talking about that. I follow forum culture, and this is by and large forum culture. Actually, I don't make threads about people, never have, in that respect I'm lagging behind everyone...need to start I suppose.
When you are white and rich and autistic like Nice Try
Whose not Blackpilled? You don't decide wtf the Blackpill is. Its funny cause it's a style of talking users here have which makes other users think that they are Bpille but in fact they are just cucks who don't accept the most basic reality of which they are faced with and choose idol worship over discussion of their guilt or sin.
K9 isn’t blackpilled. I don’t just go around making that accusation.
Correct. He's simply attempting to redefine it around his own framework. The mods don't seem to understand what blue pill is. They think it's just some stupid GrAYfag coming here and spouting reddit platitudes about personality, showering, and confidence.
It’s not even mods, it just one mod. Fatlink. But if you look at what this does match, it’s usually some kind of purplepill “muh trad society” cope, thinking incels will magically not just become beta cucks while fenales cuck them.
You do, and just now you have.
If you think you are the only one who can develop a definition for what constitutes inclusion into Blackpill logic then that is very misguided and underhanded.
So, let me get this straight, if the Mods or @Fat Link or whoever doesn't agree with you in the exact framework of Blackpill then he is bluepilled and coping? This is garbage rubbish. Besides, none of what @K9Otaku is saying negates true Blackpill experience.
Why does calling something "Religion" scare you so much? It could be called anything, honestly the parts of what we are saying go hand in hand with what we have all learnt experiencing how foids and cucks behave. It is disingenuous of you to pretend otherwise out of your own fears or misguided pride.
And this is totally wrong as well. Nobody is advocating for anyone to be beta cucks. Behaving beta but also standing up for what's real and true about oneself and other people isn't being a "cuck" that's garbage. If we need to fight foids and cucks, we need to do it while making them see why and how everyone is wrong. Can't win anything by just repeating the same water is wet crap. You should know this by now.
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The black pill is not something that I'VE defined and set borders around. The black pill was already defined and understood well before I came to this forum. I've always been transparent with everyone about what the black pill means and have encouraged critical thinking and a scientific approach to understanding it, because the truth is that the black pill is fundamentally empirical. It's not philosophical and it certainly is not theological or ideological, like your guru wants to frame it as. The black pill is about cold, hard, facts and data, regardless of how any of us feels about it. The black pill is about reality. It IS reality. We see and understand that reality through the lens of our experiences of failures with women, and then we see the empirical evidence for it which helps explains the underlying reasons for our experiences.
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Dude. This is partly rubbish. You can't set and define something and claim it cannot be changed. All practice and implementation HAS to change with time to be successful. And the existing stuff by Schopenhauer and many others has to be added onto or subtracted from.
See this type of asshole shit, capitalising letters. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what I said. Also, stop crying about Mods and bannings. Telling you that you are wrong for how you envision the black pill isn't a fucking site violation. Likening it to foids or NPC cucks like @Copexodius Maximus tried to do is also disingenuine and malicious because he knows there is no foid or cuck saying anything remotely similar.
Sometimes I forget that you're not as smart as K9. Thanks for reminding me and saving me some time.
That is exactly what the bluepill is. Platitudes that are the core of our current culture.
LOL. "inside a decade", all right. I had previously flagged a guy who said that some genes had "changed instantly" and another who believed that current cultural changes could "filter genes" so that a new generation of genetically modified humans were being born right now.
Cut the crap. I talk in both plain language and technical terms and you understand every word. You complained the "Mods don't see what @K9Otaku says as blue pilled" along with Copex. At one time (during the first Dogpill banning incident) you had called me "the reasonable one". So I am being reasonable with you and you reject that for insults ? You capitalise and bold all the words in someone else's posts when you get angry and start insulting. Don't pretend you don't know what is being referred to.
It works because, like I just said, you are a demagogue. You choose the side that appeals to the midwits. As a result you will never have a shortage of people who agree with you. But what does that prove, apart from the fact that you are a cynical manipulator?
No you don't. Because if you did, you would welcome my alternate approach, even if you do not share it.
It is, because it is a matter of observation. Absolutely.
It inevitably is. As soon as you have human behavioral observation, their cause is contentious and open to debate. Genetics is one possible explanation but historical heritage and culture can also be another. It has been like that since the dawn of time and that is the reason why human behavior explanation is intertwined with the whole human history of thought, including religion and philosophy.
The data is there. I never denied it. However, its genetic interpretation IS NOT based on "cold, hard, facts and data". We cannot see genes, we cannot observe them. Worse, we cannot do experiments about them. Therefore, any genetic explanation of any aspect of human behavior, including the BP, is hypothetical.
This is superstition. Do you have X-Ray vision that enables you to see reality "as it is"? I don't and nobody has. The "underlying reasons for our experiences" can never be more than a theory. You can posit genetic "underlying reasons for our experiences" but that is nothing more than a theory. I have a different theory. Everything about human behavior has been fraught with uncertainty in this way since the dawn of time.
Excuse me?
@Copexodius Maximus @Ahnfeltia Thoughts on all of this from Darth K9?
Those are retards we simply ignore. There's no point in engaging or correcting them. It's like how you just don't bother with a flat-earther. The move is to let their own stupidity implode inwards. You're not supposed to take things they say seriously, because it's wrong and dumb to the point of it being funny in a sad way. That's the kind of nonsense the retards on reddit take seriously and make threads about.
Yes, in this case I have. But I do recall you calling me bluepilled for not agreeing with your religious protestant arguments before.
My definition of blackpill matches what is on incel wiki, while K9 tried to redefine it based on his own worldview. It’s no different than cuckservatives grifting the term redpill.
There’s no pride involved, I’ve lived in a religious orthodox community my whole life so I know what I’m talking about. The difference is that religious people are better at larping, but all copes fall apart in front of the reality of the blackpill.
He’s not bluepilled, he’s closer to redpilled/purplepilled. There’s nothing he’s said that hasn’t been said by “muh returnn to tradition” and redpill copers already.
I didn’t call you bluepilled, I just said you aren’t blackpilled.
I see. The error I made was in characterizing his positions as blue pilled when I should have only said it's not black pilled.
Purple pillers are people trying to be trad while using redpill knowledge. Some are MRAs who want to restructure society so males can’t be exploited, some want to impose religious values because they make stable societies, and some just are just coping incels pondering over the web so they can tell themselves it isn’t really over for them somehow.I see. The error I made was in characterizing his positions as blue pilled when I should have only said it's not black pilled.
And JFL @ the purple pill. WTF? I didn't even know this shit existed. I thought it was just a meme, like the pink pill.
Interesting. So it's mostly a collection of red pillers who want to make practical changes to the broken system, instead of merely using that broken system for their own benefit. I can respect that. @OutcompetedByRoomba That looks like it's your wheelhouse.
Both sides adopting different definitions of the blackpill ain't practical, that's for sure. Looking past that, however, I think both genetics and culture are indisputable factors of the blackpill, provided one is willing to look beyond the modern world. While genetics (and astrology if one is so inclined) will always remain important, in a culture of arranged marriage it's arguably far less decisive than in the modern West.
I doubt one user and a handful of threads is going to make all the difference.
Absolutely.
This is the kind of thing that can be exhibited at a trial for slander, for example.
True.
Finally someone who speaks coherent thoughts and understands what he's looking at.
I didn't call YOU bluepilled. I said that the approach or logic you are using was NPC and can be called bluepilled thinking. And if it is always like this (so far I have see that it is) then why wouldn't I be forced to call you bluepilled. Anyway, I feel like "NPC logic" is a better descriptor.
It's different. You'll have to trust that.
Yes and I don't deny that Cuckservative or Trads are copers, and actually today the discussion needs to center around them not believing but admitting that they don't believe in God and etc etc.
That's because you understand maybe 10% of it.
I hadn't thought of that yet. Good point. Still, I think that 1) them arguing they harbor a lot of nazi users is counterproductive regardless and 2) the sense in which normtards call us nazis is quite different than the sense in which you're using the word. Most eschew us mainly because of misogyny, not because of genetic determinism.
You're not a bad guy cause you were made to believe in demagoguery, that happens to a lot of us. The real reason I suspect you are cracking is because your experiences as an Incel mean you know half the things you believe in are bullshit.
Normtards are impossible to convince anyways. But before a judge, you can argue this: "we are a forum that allows unrestricted freedom of speech and as a result we have a lot of Nazis because they have few other places to go. But that does not mean we, the website admins, are Nazis ourselves. For example we have repeatedly denied the request made by our Nazi members to ban a guy who is pushing non-biological determinism type of arguments. This proves that we ARE NOT NAZIS". That is enough to win a defamation lawsuit if the opposing party claimed that .is was "a neo-Nazi forum"
If you'd asked me to define what a "neo-Nazi forum" would be in a vacuum, I'd have said "a forum where neo-Nazis (are allowed to and do) congregate". Leaving aside the issue of whether most members are in fact nazis for a second, if we assume this is indeed the case, then even I'd agree this place is a nazi forum. This is like calling a hypothetical country full of black people a white country just because its leaders are white. Just because the white leaders don't give in to the every whim of the black people doesn't change the fact that it's a country full of black people. So long as the black people aren't being oppressed, I'd call such a country a black country.
Like I said above, you are yourself guilty of what you accuse me of. Lumping the Blackpill observations with their genetics-only interpretation is a manipulative unscientific tactic. Honesty in a scientific context requires you to separate the data from the explanations you propose for the said data. Lumping observations with a favored explanation is a tactic typically used by ideologies and dishonest religions. What you are saying here is confession through projection (you are in fact doing what you accuse me of).
When you do not know something. the only possible honest attitude is to admit it. You do not know whether or not observed Blackpill behaviors are caused by genes only. Like I said, you do not have X-ray vision to see "reality as it is" and therefore, you do not know the truth. That is why scientists, at least since Thomas Kuhn, have abandoned the idea of "scientific truth". Are you again going to ignore the subject of Kuhnian epistemology and its position as the gold standard of scientific integrity? Probably. After all, you know that most of your followers are not smart enough to tell the difference. You are a demagogue. All you care about is the plaudits of your clique.
The "evidence" you mention does not seem persuasive to me. I think that it has been contaminated by too many biases to be credible. This does not mean I reject the Blackpill, just that I dispute some of the observations that are often (wrongly in my view) associated with it. What I am doing here is an example of "critical thinking". Have you suddenly become against "critical thinking"?
What is wrong with that? I have no power to coerce anyone. Those that join are entirely free to leave as they want. Members do not even have to doxx themselves. This is a pure online thing that preserves the anonymity of the participants. Again, what is wrong with that?
It inevitably is. The observations are not, but the explanations of the said observations inevitably are ideological/religious (which is the same thing) because there is no science of human behavior. And there is no science of human behavior because it is impossible to seriously experiment on live humans. The academics who pretend to be doing "behavioral science" are frauds, like those who do "climate science" or "gender studies".
This is again religious/ideological language, Again. Confession through Projection.
Again
Again (calling someone the Devil)
That is the way normies think, yes, but not the Law.
Bluepill thinking can literally be stretched to anything doesn’t agree with you. Stick to the universal definition.
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Godly copers (especially Christians) end up with used up sluts who needs a stable beta buck provider. What you seem to support is actually conservatism, rather than genuine belief in God or anything.
Explain to me how what he said is blackpilled rather than redpilled or purplepilled then.
Not even. Most purplepillers don’t do any actual activism, but rather are occupied with trying to find a unicorn and thinking their redpill knowledge will prevent divorce rape or cucking. MRAs have existed for over half a century and have accomplished nothing. It’s over for them.
If that's indeed the legal definition, then forget everything I just said. Regardless, if Master does end up suing, I'm sure his lawyers will know what to do far better than we could hope to.
Okay. So is this an admission ?.I don't get it.
In that case you guys are in complete denial and also don't understand everything we are saying. You don't understand how catastrophic the world has become. And neither myself or K9 have said if you simply "believe" in Traditional values that woman will be attracted to you. Also, feminism is not at all what we advocate for in any measure. Basically, I have time and time again come to the conclusion that you are not inteligent enough to recognise what real discussion looks like. It's a waste of time with you.
No dude. No. That's not what we are saying. Woman will not be attracted to you no matter what now that the last 50 years of decay has set in.
No. You are missing Culture.
You use this word when it doesn't even apply.
I mean if they had looks then yes, but that's not what I say.
I will explain to you how you don't know the meaning of what should be included in the Blackpill itself, I already have. Forget redpilles, that's not what we are. I'm no fucking Chadlite with a great life arguing for Andrew Tate'ism. And purplepilled I'm too busy enjoying what I can of my life to have looked into whatever the fuck that one is...
I don't think any of these things. I think anyone who is modern culture and even remotely ugly or from a broken family, trying for a relationship today is wasting their time and should instead be a Monk.
Opposite. It means I can say the same about your thinking.
If no one is understanding what you are saying, either what you are saying is retarded or you suck at explaining it.
Cope, attraction is based on looks. No culture for your face.
Blackpill has nothing to do with culture, that’s redpill.
It does apply lol, you are using culture as a coping mechanism. Maybe you could have had a wife in a different culture, but if that’s your conclusion I can say for sure you aren’t blackpilled and missed the whole section on alpha fucks and beta bucks
That’s a problem, you don’t know what redpill or blackpill means. PUA types like Andrew Tate (or at least he pretend to be) isn’t what redpill is exclusively about. There are the MGTOW monks, MRAs, etc. People who think societal decay is the answer also fall under the redpill or purplepill category, depending on what they specifically believe. Based on what k9 preaches, he is closer to purplepilled (like Jordan Peterson, although he doesn’t say almost anything about women and just lectures men like a faggot. ).
Broken relationship Chads slay, while fully supported family incels rot. I’m not from a “modernized” community, but rather half way towards a religious encampment for orthodox Jews. And even then it’s over for me due to being ugly, and having a way better looking and taller brother who got all the relationship proposals.
You can I guess. Around and around we go where we stop nobody knows..
No no. Don't try this crap. It's such a blowhard pompous statement from you and frankly makes you look so stupid to me it makes me react angery. What we are saying requires a lot of time to understand, even we are still developing it. All good things worth saying require smart people and people with experience to slowly sit and have the conversation again and again until something emerges that's useable. You (or anyone) is a terrible pos for thinking otherwise and trying to admonish us for it. That's all !
Yeah COPE. You are dead set on talking the easy road.
Yeah. No it's not. And while I don't agree with with redpillers on many things, they may have one piece right, you are pathetic if you only consider one angel.
Asked and answered .
You mean Jordan Peterson doesn't or K9 doesn't?
Yes and no. I am certain their is dysfunction within the fully supported Incels family. Yes the Chads slay, and even some normies get close to "slaying", so yes I do believe the face is like a compounding in factor that takes any dysfunction and multiplies it. Also, for the Western world, we notice it because for the last 65 years we have been exposed to expectations that could have never even been imagined prior to modern media and entertainment.
So you are from a region where Orthodox Jews roamed and you couldn't watch TV growing up? An encampment? And what's "half way". Their are orthodox communities and then modern ones. What's half way?
Dude. You don't understand what K9 means a lot of the time. Nobody is arguing against how over it is for us. Infact what we are saying is ITS EVEN MORE OVER than you think. Even with the better face, it may have still ended up over for us.
