Discussion Why doesnt soyciety executes the people who ought to be executed?

[Lookslikeit]

You know exactly the people im talking about. People who, for inumerous reasons, arent capable of living the kind of life who would be considered acceptable towards achieving happiness, success, self actualization, etc etc.

No, im NOT talking about us. Most of us COULD participate if we wanted to. Im talking about the kind of people who actually take a toll on all of us, that includes: people who were born with too many screws loose of any kind, people born with severe disabilities, drug addicts, the dangerous kind of homeless people, people who have too many ugly criminal sheets, etc etc.

Theres no way these people are "coming back". You know it. I know it. Some dont even have a place of "coming back", they were born screwed. So why prolong their suffering?

I dunno, some BS to do with the "sanctity of life" that judean christian values and therefore modern society (that runs off of these rotting values) runs through decided that a rotting vegatable of a "person"(who doesnt even know if its alive or not) has the same value as you and me. Disgusting, actually.

 

[IncelusRex]

drug addicts

expand on this please
DO you mean anyone who is on medication?
Do you mean recreational drugs? All of them? Like coffee / alcohol?
Or do you mean people that can't provide the basis necessities for their selves(or in worst cases for their families) because of illegal drug addiction?

 

[Kafka2020]

While in theory, it seems like a good idea, there is nothing stopping that from being weaponized to justify ideological genocide. Even the justice system is based upon "beyond reasonable doubt" and doesn't always make the 'correct' choices.

Would you really want the moral titans of globohomo like the USA or the EU deciding who lives or dies, based on a system that can brand you as an enemy of the state and then justify lynching you?

Plus, these people you speak of are useful pawns, they can use them as a scapegoat to scare normies to vote for more taxation, surveillance or to prop up garbage socialized medical systems.

 

[RollD20]

Would you really want the moral titans of globohomo like the USA or the EU deciding who lives or dies, based on a system that can brand you as an enemy of the state and then justify lynching you?

This is probably the good point here. OP is assuming governing bodies are just systems but they are often not.

 

[Epedaphic]

While in theory, it seems like a good idea, there is nothing stopping that from being weaponized to justify ideological genocide. Even the justice system is based upon "beyond reasonable doubt" and doesn't always make the 'correct' choices.

Would you really want the moral titans of globohomo like the USA or the EU deciding who lives or dies, based on a system that can brand you as an enemy of the state and then justify lynching you?

Plus, these people you speak of are useful pawns, they can use them as a scapegoat to scare normies to vote for more taxation, surveillance or to prop up garbage socialized medical systems.

Nice post.

 

[Lookslikeit]

While in theory, it seems like a good idea, there is nothing stopping that from being weaponized to justify ideological genocide. Even the justice system is based upon "beyond reasonable doubt" and doesn't always make the 'correct' choices.

Would you really want the moral titans of globohomo like the USA or the EU deciding who lives or dies, based on a system that can brand you as an enemy of the state and then justify lynching you?

Plus, these people you speak of are useful pawns, they can use them as a scapegoat to scare normies to vote for more taxation, surveillance or to prop up garbage socialized medical systems.

Nice reply, i guess i was thinking in the terms of a reasonable, ideal society where political agendas arent skewed to favor political gains. But the jiszt of what i was refering to, unironically, is to further a more humane society where unfunctional (in the strictest sense of the term) people wont have to suffer as much as they do right now. Come to think about it, assisted suicide already exists (in places like canada and such) and already are being used to propagate a dirty, unhumane political agenda.

 

[Asgard]

Hey OP, that also does apply to my own case.

 

[Lookslikeit]

expand on this please
DO you mean anyone who is on medication?
Do you mean recreational drugs? All of them? Like coffee / alcohol?
Or do you mean people that can't provide the basis necessities for their selves(or in worst cases for their families) because of illegal drug addiction?

Severe, dysfunctional, dangerous, psychotic type of drug addicts

 

[Lookslikeit]

Hey OP, that also does apply to my own case.

How does it so?

 

[Asgard]

How does it so?

I'm almost 24, life-long NEET without any education (besides HS) and never had a job. I failed community college (trade school) twice.

 

[Lookslikeit]

I'm almost 24, life-long NEET without any education (besides HS) and never had a job. I failed community college (trade school) twice.

Dude, im talking about people who, even theoretically, couldnt function (even if they wanted to). Im sure you could bag some groceries, do hard work in a construction, or whatever the hell.

 

[Asgard]

Dude, im talking about people who, even theoretically, couldnt function (even if they wanted to). Im sure you could bag some groceries, do hard work in a construction, or whatever the hell.

I can't bag groceries, because I can't buy them. Also yeah, I'm not physically disabled.

 

[General_Skarr]

It's because you need to actually follow someones life and have someone who has been given the authority to judge others. The ancient equivalent would be a local elder. We live in a world where everyone is kept equally worthless so the kleptocrats at the top can finish their business.

 

[cvh1991]

You know exactly the people im talking about. People who, for inumerous reasons, arent capable of living the kind of life who would be considered acceptable towards achieving happiness, success, self actualization, etc etc.

No, im NOT talking about us. Most of us COULD participate if we wanted to. Im talking about the kind of people who actually take a toll on all of us, that includes: people who were born with too many screws loose of any kind, people born with severe disabilities, drug addicts, the dangerous kind of homeless people, people who have too many ugly criminal sheets, etc etc.

Theres no way these people are "coming back". You know it. I know it. Some dont even have a place of "coming back", they were born screwed. So why prolong their suffering?

I dunno, some BS to do with the "sanctity of life" that judean christian values and therefore modern society (that runs off of these rotting values) runs through decided that a rotting vegatable of a "person"(who doesnt even know if its alive or not) has the same value as you and me. Disgusting, actually.

I get there’s a whole debate down this rabbit hole but I think I agree that in extreme cases you probably should just execute some people.

Nightwing was right that Batman should’ve killed the Joker ages and ages ago. Honestly the legal system in that universe should’ve too. I’m not saying you immediately jump to execution but in extreme cases where people have already been given a chance at redemption and rehabilitation but they keep doing heinous damaging crimes just off them for the sake of society. Then you’re also not burning tax payer money to keep them alive too.

Imo I’d rather be given euthanasia than to spend the rest of my life in prison. It’s sort of a win win in that sense.

I definitely do think motive and case by case matters though. Sometimes you could argue a vigilante killing someone evil or for the right reasons is justice seems to me but it depends. And no feds I’m not advocating anyone do anything illegal I’m merely entertaining controversial ideas and questioning some of the systems we have in place.