Why does normtard morality treat CSA as worse than child murder?

[Hoodpreet]

Obviously both are wrong, for the retards out there purposely looking to misinterpret my words.

That said, it’s ridiculous how normtards across the political spectrum will cry for blood regarding CSA perpetrators but not have the same energy for child murderers. This is especially true for leftists, who are far more likely to advocate “muh empathy for criminals” in the case of the latter than the former. Vigilante “child protection” content also always targets CSA perps or would-be CSA perps and never CPA perps.

When you consider that most CSA cases are of adolescents as well, not even children, you can see how absolutely brainrotted the morals of the biomass are. Your average normie unironically sees a 20-something (or even an 18 year old) who has a consensual encounter with a curvy 15-year old as more deserving of death than some mentally ill freak who stabs a random 6 year old to death. Actually scratch that, I recall vigilante pedo hunters even trying to jump a 22 year old for trying to get with an 18 year old Absolutely non-cognitive fucking freaks.

I can’t put my finger on why Western normtards think this way, but I have two working theories:

1) Enforcing the arbitrary 18 rule is critical to upholding the gynocracy; aka what normies are enraged about in CSA cases isn’t actually the sanctity of the victim but that of the “rules” set by muh kweenz. Also would partially explain why female CSA perpetrators get literally 0 heat (besides the different power dynamic regarding penetrator vs penetrated).

2) Child killers and CPA perpetrators in the West disproportionately skew ethnic, and the statistics on this are not hard to find. It’s also a well-known fact that ethnics are more tolerant of CPA than whites, hence the common ethnic talking point that gentle parenting is “whypipo shit.” CSA stats also disproportionately incriminate ethnics, but said sets are MUCH harder to come by, and the common stereotype of the CSA perp in Westoid normie imagination is the white pastor/teacher/coach/uncle. So CSA perps may be seen as more “safe” targets for outrage than CPA perps, who are instead “victims of the system” and “targets of public crucifixion.”

That’s all that comes to mind for now. Rant over

 

[ANTAGONIST]

Truthful thread.

This delusion comes from america.

 

[Hoodpreet]

Truthful thread.

This delusion comes from america.

Anglosphere in general I think.

Britain has a “nonce hunting” obsession yet British libtards went to bat for the Southport attacker who stabbed three grade school-aged children to death

 

[hunter x atomics]

Obviously both are wrong, for the retards out there purposely looking to misinterpret my words.

That said, it’s ridiculous how normtards across the political spectrum will cry for blood regarding CSA perpetrators but not have the same energy for child murderers. This is especially true for leftists, who are far more likely to advocate “muh empathy for criminals” in the case of the latter than the former. Vigilante “child protection” content also always targets CSA perps or would-be CSA perps and never CPA perps.

When you consider that most CSA cases are of adolescents as well, not even children, you can see how absolutely brainrotted the morals of the biomass are. Your average normie unironically sees a 20-something (or even an 18 year old) who has a consensual encounter with a curvy 15-year old as more deserving of death than some mentally ill freak who stabs a random 6 year old to death. Actually scratch that, I recall vigilante pedo hunters even trying to jump a 22 year old for trying to get with an 18 year old Absolutely non-cognitive fucking freaks.

I can’t put my finger on why Western normtards think this way, but I have two working theories:

1) Enforcing the arbitrary 18 rule is critical to upholding the gynocracy; aka what normies are enraged about in CSA cases isn’t actually the sanctity of the victim but that of the “rules” set by muh kweenz. Also would partially explain why female CSA perpetrators get literally 0 heat (besides the different power dynamic regarding penetrator vs penetrated).

2) Child killers and CPA perpetrators in the West disproportionately skew ethnic, and the statistics on this are not hard to find. It’s also a well-known fact that ethnics are more tolerant of CPA than whites, hence the common ethnic talking point that gentle parenting is “whypipo shit.” CSA stats also disproportionately incriminate ethnics, but said sets are MUCH harder to come by, and the common stereotype of the CSA perp in Westoid normie imagination is the white pastor/teacher/coach/uncle. So CSA perps may be seen as more “safe” targets for outrage than CPA perps, who are instead “victims of the system” and “targets of public crucifixion.”

That’s all that comes to mind for now. Rant over

My personal theory on it, is that women have significant amount of power when it comes to public opinion especially in leftist circles, so there able to push for the things that affect them to be given more attention. In comparison children(for example that 6 year old you mentioned) aren't cognitive enough to hold political power and if an adult doesn't push for policies to protect them or push for ideas that benefit them they are usually fucked.

 

[Hoodpreet]

My personal theory on it, is that women have significant amount of power when it comes to public opinion especially in leftist circles, so there able to push for the things that affect them to be given more attention. In comparison children(for example that 6 year old you mentioned) aren't cognitive enough to hold political power and if an adult doesn't push for policies to protect them or push for ideas that benefit them they are usually fucked.

I’d say that largely coincides with my first theory. That the anger towards CSA (and particularly adolescent CSA) is driven by an urge to uphold gynocratic norms rather than empathy for the victim. Whereas CPA is not perceived as a threat to gynocracy

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

Obviously both are wrong, for the retards out there purposely looking to misinterpret my words.

That said, it’s ridiculous how normtards across the political spectrum will cry for blood regarding CSA perpetrators but not have the same energy for child murderers. This is especially true for leftists, who are far more likely to advocate “muh empathy for criminals” in the case of the latter than the former. Vigilante “child protection” content also always targets CSA perps or would-be CSA perps and never CPA perps.

When you consider that most CSA cases are of adolescents as well, not even children, you can see how absolutely brainrotted the morals of the biomass are. Your average normie unironically sees a 20-something (or even an 18 year old) who has a consensual encounter with a curvy 15-year old as more deserving of death than some mentally ill freak who stabs a random 6 year old to death. Actually scratch that, I recall vigilante pedo hunters even trying to jump a 22 year old for trying to get with an 18 year old Absolutely non-cognitive fucking freaks.

I can’t put my finger on why Western normtards think this way, but I have two working theories:

1) Enforcing the arbitrary 18 rule is critical to upholding the gynocracy; aka what normies are enraged about in CSA cases isn’t actually the sanctity of the victim but that of the “rules” set by muh kweenz. Also would partially explain why female CSA perpetrators get literally 0 heat (besides the different power dynamic regarding penetrator vs penetrated).

2) Child killers and CPA perpetrators in the West disproportionately skew ethnic, and the statistics on this are not hard to find. It’s also a well-known fact that ethnics are more tolerant of CPA than whites, hence the common ethnic talking point that gentle parenting is “whypipo shit.” CSA stats also disproportionately incriminate ethnics, but said sets are MUCH harder to come by, and the common stereotype of the CSA perp in Westoid normie imagination is the white pastor/teacher/coach/uncle. So CSA perps may be seen as more “safe” targets for outrage than CPA perps, who are instead “victims of the system” and “targets of public crucifixion.”

That’s all that comes to mind for now. Rant over

Yes it's a vague impression that they have where hard crime is some kind of cool people only activity. They are well known to worship criminals so long as they aren't white men, even the mafia is cool because it's just barely not classically white.

 

[Rick prime]

what no pussy does to a nigga

 

[INVERTER]

Consistency was never the point. It's all about virtue signaling for normies

Virtue signal against a retarded soft target man who sleeps with a 17 year old? You're considered virtuous according to soyciety. No blowback whatsoever

Calling out immigrants who stab a child to death? Now you're optically seen in a worse light. It's too risky to go against.

Life is simply a popularity contest with arbitrary rules which are selectively enforced based on your status in the bullshit hierarchy. And like you point out, it is all to placate women and enforced by simps.

 

[Hoodpreet]

Yes it's a vague impression that they have where hard crime is some kind of cool people only activity. They are well known to worship criminals so long as they aren't white men, even the mafia is cool because it's just barely not classically white.

Yeah I can attest to this as someone who went through a failed normiemaxxer and thugmaxxer phase myself. MANY Western normies don’t even see violent crime as a problem unless it happens to a woman or someone they know (and even in these cases they’ll sometimes run apologism for the criminal). They’ll actively cheer it on and worship criminality because that’s the result of a combo of underdeveloped brains + obsession with hip-hop

 

[Hoodpreet]

Consistency was never the point. It's all about virtue signaling for normies

Virtue signal against a retarded soft target man who sleeps with a 17 year old? You're considered virtuous according to soyciety. No blowback whatsoever

Calling out immigrants who stab a child to death? Now you're optically seen in a worse light. It's too risky to go against.

Life is simply a popularity contest with arbitrary rules which are selectively enforced based on your status in the bullshit hierarchy. And like you point out, it is all to placate women and enforced by simps.

Put it perfectly. It was when I realized how amoral normies truly were that made it very easy for me to accept eugenicist and social darwinist thinking. If you want a high-empathy society, you need to genetically select for it first. Dismantling gynocracy is also essential, because a feminized soyciety can never reason morality from a remotely objective perspective

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

One evokes disgust along with rage, the other only the latter. Sexual violence in general seems to be mostly "buffed" in comparison to other types of violence since it's seen as inherently tainting to the victim and as something pure being forever stained, at least as long as the perpetrator is a man, at least. Physical violence, even CPA, doesn't seem to have anywhere near as much "Now that this had happened, you will never be the same," factor to it in society's eyes. That seems to be a factor even with child murder. Remember, it's just a year or so since woman were saying "Yes, we choose death by a bear than risk rape by a man," and recently I've seen a video from a foid youtuber talking about extreme horror books, where she praised the antagonist in one of them for being "unusually respectful" to women by just killing them, instead of doing anything sexual with them.

As far as normies are concerned, the disgust with sexuality makes a serious difference in cases of violence.

 

[SmhChan]

One evokes disgust along with rage, the other only the latter. Sexual violence in general seems to be mostly "buffed" in comparison to other types of violence since it's seen as inherently tainting to the victim and as something pure being forever stained, at least as long as the perpetrator is a man, at least. Physical violence, even CPA, doesn't seem to have anywhere near as much "Now that this had happened, you will never be the same," factor to it in society's eyes. That seems to be a factor even with child murder. Remember, it's just a year or so since woman were saying "Yes, we choose death by a bear than risk rape by a man," and recently I've seen a video from a foid youtuber talking about extreme horror books, where she praised the antagonist in one of them for being "unusually respectful" to women by just killing them, instead of doing anything sexual with them.

As far as normies are concerned, the disgust with sexuality makes a serious difference in cases of violence.

But the thing is foids would rather get gangraped than risk facing a bear. How many fucking foids actually kill themselves even if they're married to a man they don’t find sexually attractive? Normies know that too. It's obviously normies giving too much airtime to foids and letting them set whatever standards they want.

Also, I doubt it has much to do with disgust. Rather jealousy and mindless allegiance to gynocentrism. Normies would cry for ethnic foids for apparently not having enough sexual freedom to be passed around at a nightclub by a bunch of men, but would call for a guy’s head if he has a consensual relationship with a 17-year-old minor.

Even a few years ago, normies used to praise DiCaprio or any old male celeb fucking young whores, but now they find him creepy since roasties have started screeching even harder.

 

[SmhChan]

Put it perfectly. It was when I realized how amoral normies truly were that made it very easy for me to accept eugenicist and social darwinist thinking. If you want a high-empathy society, you need to genetically select for it first. Dismantling gynocracy is also essential, because a feminized soyciety can never reason morality from a remotely objective perspective

With each passing day, I find elites increasingly reasonable. Normies are treated like the subhumans that they are.

 

[yeetbender_]

CSA against foids is usually harmless, but gentiles require an excuse to go after ugly males like us.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

But the thing is foids would rather get gangraped than risk facing a bear.

True, but the reason why they could openly claim, en masse, that they'd prefer the latter to the former and not be laughed at by the rest of society is because there really are a lot of people who see rape as worse than murder, and as something that permanently stains and changes someone (well, at least a foid someone) to the point where being killed would've been preferable.

Also, I doubt it has much to do with disgust. Rather jealousy and mindless allegiance to gynocentrism. Normies would cry for ethnic foids for apparently not having enough sexual freedom to be passed around at a nightclub by a bunch of men, but would call for a guy’s head if he has a consensual relationship with a 17-year-old minor.

Because the former isn't rape or otherwise forced on her. Sex and promiscuity are still seen as something that taints foids, there's a reason why nobody ever questions whether male pornstars do what they do because they were abused and they are never asked what their parents think of their work and whatnot (I'd guess that ordinary sex is seen about as tainting for foids as sexual assault is for men), but all of that goes up to eleven whenever consent goes out of the window and people's minds immediately jump to the stereotypical, stranger in a dark alley brutally raping a struggling woman screaming for help image of rape (which only describes like 1% of rapes, if not even less). It is specifically that mental image which evokes both disgust and pure rage in people, and it is that image that age-gap relationships in general have moved a bit towards in the last five years or so, but that still feels quite forced is already becoming rather outdated and not something most people care about.

That doesn't apply to CSA in general though, which is still seen as the most heinous type of rape imaginable, and where people's disgust and rage at the perpetrator, and the damage they believe has been caused to the victim, are the biggest.

Even a few years ago, normies used to praise DiCaprio or any old male celeb fucking young whores, but now they find him creepy since roasties have started screeching even harder.

Most of that backlash is mostly online, and honestly kind of petering out. People just aren't as creeped out by age gap relationships between adults as some internet activists, mostly motivated by intrasexual competition or general misandry, would want them to be. That I'd say even goes to hooking up with 16 and 17-year-olds, if in a weaker form. It's not like DiCaprio faced anything except some random jokes for his preferences in women, and even those he isn't getting much by now.

 

[SmhChan]

True, but the reason why they could openly claim, en masse, that they'd prefer the latter to the former and not be laughed at by the rest of society is because there really are a lot of people who see rape as worse than murder, and as something that permanently stains and changes someone (well, at least a foid someone) to the point where being killed would've been preferable.

The point wasn’t rape. It was an extreme example. The point is that foids often do have sexual relationships with men they are not attracted to, mainly for financial gain, and brag about it. In a life-and-death situation, they’d obviously go to extreme lengths. Their claiming that they’d choose death over “violation of their honor” is just misandrist bullshit.

Because the former isn't rape or otherwise forced on her. Sex and promiscuity are still seen as something that taints foids, there's a reason why nobody ever questions whether male pornstars do what they do because they were abused and they are never asked what their parents think of their work and whatnot (I'd guess that ordinary sex is seen about as tainting for foids as sexual assault is for men), but all of that goes up to eleven whenever consent goes out of the window and people's minds immediately jump to the stereotypical, stranger in a dark alley brutally raping a struggling woman screaming for help image of rape (which only describes like 1% of rapes, if not even less). It is specifically that mental image which evokes both disgust and pure rage in people, and it is that image that age-gap relationships in general have moved a bit towards in the last five years or so, but that still feels quite forced is already becoming rather outdated and not something most people care about.

That doesn't apply to CSA in general though, which is still seen as the most heinous type of rape imaginable, and where people's disgust and rage at the perpetrator, and the damage they believe has been caused to the victim, are the biggest.

I’d still venture a guess that male pornstars are respected way less than foid ones. Also, no father wants a promiscuous man, at the very least a male pornstar, to date his daughter.

Sex isn’t seen as tainting a foid, but yeah, promiscuity is. But in the case of promiscuity, normies direct their outrage at the foid, not the men who fucked her over the years, and for good reasons. Trying not to be disgusted by a promiscuous foid is like trying not to be disgusted by a public toilet. Foids not being disgusted by a promiscuous man is on them.

As for rape tainting a foid, in “conservative” societies, foid victims of SA are treated differently from whores. You’d have to go to some ultra-conservative rural part of the world to find cases of raped foids being ostracized.

Callmecarson got his career ruined for dating a 17+ year-old as a 19-year-old. Recently, there was this curry, living in the US, who almost had his life ruined by Vitaly. Normies are itching to beat a guy to death over these things. How much worse would an actual pedo rapist have it at normies’ hands? It’s all just a mixture of internal misandry + jealousy + performative outrage.

Most of that backlash is mostly online, and honestly kind of petering out. People just aren't as creeped out by age gap relationships between adults as some internet activists, mostly motivated by intrasexual competition or general misandry, would want them to be. That I'd say even goes to hooking up with 16 and 17-year-olds, if in a weaker form. It's not like DiCaprio faced anything except some random jokes for his preferences in women, and even those he isn't getting much by now.

DiCaprio’s net worth is over 250 million dollars. Normies can do very little damage to him. So, they take it all out on average guys who want to date a foid 5-6 years younger than them.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

The point wasn’t rape. It was an extreme example. The point is that foids often do have sexual relationships with men they are not attracted to, mainly for financial gain, and brag about it. In a life-and-death situation, they’d obviously go to extreme lengths. Their claiming that they’d choose death over “violation of their honor” is just misandrist bullshit.

Yes it is, and we can see that when foids have no problem going through roads where they get raped, while men avoid those very same roads where they would get killed.

It was a hellish journey. Women and girls were raped at checkpoints.

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It's just that, while IRL they'll choose rape over murder all the time for obvious reasons, society's view of those two things still is that they are so similar that those foids can claim that they'd rather be killed than raped without being openly laughed at and mocked.

I’d still venture a guess that male pornstars are respected way less than foid ones. Also, no father wants a promiscuous man, at the very least a male pornstar, to date his daughter.

Depends how you look at it. Male pornstars are never going to be asked whether something had happened to make them want to be in porn or what their parents think about it and so on. Nobody is going to be asking Johnny Sins or Jmac why they are making money fucking women on camera, because the answer is obvious.

That's not the case for foid pornstars. You will never encounter a thumbnail like this, except with Jmac's face on it, for example:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYfe2faPhGU


Fathers might not want their daughters to marry promiscuous men, but they absolutely do want their sons to be promiscuous men.

Sex isn’t seen as tainting a foid, but yeah, promiscuity is. But in the case of promiscuity, normies direct their outrage at the foid, not the men who fucked her over the years, and for good reasons. Trying not to be disgusted by a promiscuous foid is like trying not to be disgusted by a public toilet. Foids not being disgusted by a promiscuous man is on them.

As for rape tainting a foid, in “conservative” societies, foid victims of SA are treated differently from whores. You’d have to go to some ultra-conservative rural part of the world to find cases of raped foids being ostracized.

Eh, it's a matter of degree. On this very forum you sometimes have guys who say that any non-virgin is a no go. I'm not even all that against those stances, but they nicely illustrate what I'm talking about. Ultimately, male sexuality is seen as something that permanently changes and affects those men have sex with, and the more common or forceful it is, the greater that impact is. And yeah, it does mostly go just one way. In normies' eyes, men are inherently in control when they fuck women.

Callmecarson got his career ruined for dating a 17+ year-old as a 19-year-old.

It seems to have been more so because he's ugly and it happened during peak wokery. Plus, even Redditors now mostly acknowledge that something like that was retarded, and are trying to recontextualize it as mainly being due to him being "pushy", "creepy", and "taking advantage of his position and power" instead of him simply being sexual with someone two years younger while he himself was still a teen.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1dibl59/now_that_we_have_3_years_of_distance_whats_the/

Recently, there was this curry, living in the US, who almost had his life ruined by Vitaly. Normies are itching to beat a guy to death over these things. How much worse would an actual pedo rapist have it at normies’ hands? It’s all just a mixture of internal misandry + jealousy + performative outrage.

A good summation, though I really do think there might be something deeper than simple indoctrination. What had happened in the last couple of years, is that opposition against age gap couples has pushed the boundaries of what is seen as "pedophilia", and thus the ultimate evil, but that is already crumbling a bit because of how forced it is on anything else than actual CSA. However, the pure hatred against the men (once again, as succintly summed up in the image above, it gets different when foids do it) who perpetrate actual CSA isn't a result of that, and I do see it as mostly just instinctive hatred and disgust at something big, rough and ugly (the average and below-average men in normies' eyes) doing something sexual to a child that's the opposite of those adjectives. You can't really create that level of disgust and hatred by indoctrination alone, but you can temporarily shift its boundaries, as we see happening.

 

[yeetbender_]

Something big, rough and ugly (the average and below-average men in normies' eyes) doing something sexual to a cute, early-pubscent loli that's the opposite of those adjectives.

Kino and Epstein-pilled.

 

[Small Balls Messiah]

Truthful thread.

This delusion comes from america.

America is agecuck central. The whole "18 and up" bullshit was popularized on the internet by them and now every person on the english speaking internet which is dominated by americans has to agecuck themselves and shame everyone who dislikes the 18 and up arbitrary american bullshit. Some of those are 2nd or even turd worlders whose AoC can be as low as 13 yet they agecuck themselves due to american influence. Even in some 1st world countries like germany where its 14.

If the AoC rises worldwide we know exactly who to blame. The agecuck redditors, foids, and americans. Sometimes a combination of the 3.