Why does everyone pretend that US is dragged into Israeli affairs?

[Caesercel]

Mainstream news and political discourse tries to paint the picture that US is some third party that gets dragged into middle eastern conflicts due to Israeli adventurism. And then has to act like an adult and broker a deal between all parties.

Groupers think that jews literally control US and use trickery and corruption to get US to do their bidding.

When realpolitik should tell you it's the other way round. Modern Israel is a golem of American creation and it does nothing that isn't funded and allowed by the US. They can literally stop their funding and military support anytime they want and bring the whole house down. Every Israeli action is defacto supported and most probably even directed by it's bigger allies.

 

[retributor]

Israel is a beneficial hub for the expansion of American capitalism and interests in the Middle East.

When you look at who is blaming Israel for dragging the USA into the war with Iran, it's mainly Joe Kent and figures from the left. Though this does not mean they won't promote Zionism, these people still criticize Iran and are pro-Israel; the core elite of the United States wouldn't give up an asset like Israel. It's mainly a way to attract voters.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

They aren't pretending though, that's simply how they actually see it. The Jewish lobby is pretty powerful in the US, so it's easy to see Israel as being the dominant partner in that relationship, even though the US is massively more powerful.

Personally, I think they are pretty equal with each other. The US is far stronger but Israel is rich and powerful enough to not need it and do whatever they want on their own if needed, though they'll obviously prefer having the US back them.

 

[retributor]

They aren't pretending though, that's simply how they actually see it. The Jewish lobby is pretty powerful in the US, so it's easy to see Israel as being the dominant partner in that relationship, even though the US is massively more powerful.

Personally, I think they are pretty equal with each other. The US is far stronger but Israel is rich and powerful enough to not need it and do whatever they want on their own if needed, though they'll obviously prefer having the US back them.

I think Jews are integrated into the American elite.

The biggest obstacle the USA has to overcome is convincing their population to support the war.

 

[INVERTER]

I honestly go back and forth over which is true.

On the surface it seems the US IS being dragged into wars for Israeli interest in conjunction with the Neocons. On the other hand, Israel would not exist without the West creating it. It seems to be a symbiotic relationship mostly continued by lobbying and blackmail

Israel is a beneficial hub for the expansion of American capitalism and interests in the Middle East.

When you look at who is blaming Israel for dragging the USA into the war with Iran, it's mainly Joe Kent and figures from the left. Though this does not mean they won't promote Zionism, these people still criticize Iran and are pro-Israel; the core elite of the United States wouldn't give up an asset like Israel. It's mainly a way to attract voters.

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It seems mostly the far right doing this. The far left tends to favor the opinion that Israel is an outpost of American imperialism.

 

[retributor]

It seems mostly the far right doing this. The far left tends to favor the opinion that Israel is an outpost of American imperialism.

like nick fuentez and tucker carlson?

 

[INVERTER]

like nick fuentez and tucker carlson?

Yeah Nick and people like Jake Shields promote the idea that jews control the USA and are manipulating it behind the scenes.

Commies tend to say the opposite in my experience.

 

[lifesucksandyoudie]

Zionism originates from European Jews and Israel would've been created regardless of the US interfering or not, which is what actually happened since Israel was originally backed by the Communist bloc and only exists because of the USSR sending them weapons. The Ottomans allowed the sale of land to Zionists, the British promised the Jews a homeland while Russians/Germans persecuting Jews forced them to leave Europe for Israel. All of which happened before the US did anything, these are all historical facts.
Trump is confirmed to be compromised by Israel in the Epstein files so it's pretty much undeniable at this point. This is the end result of Evangelicals and Zionist lobbying capturing every major institution in America. Every President before Trump denied to start a war with Iran even when Israel wanted that, the fact that Trump did is proof that Zionists have more complete control of the US than ever before at any point in history and if you're saying Israel is a puppet of the US despite them wielding more power and influence over American foreign policy than they ever did before, then that's just patently absurd. Even if Israel doesn't control the US, the relationship between the countries is more akin to a parasite and its host, which isn't exactly endearing because it perfectly signifies how one party takes everything while giving little if nothing in return.

 

[INVERTER]

Zionism originates from European Jews and Israel would've been created regardless of the US interfering or not, which is what actually happened since Israel was originally backed by the Communist bloc and only exists because of the USSR sending them weapons.

People say this and then neglect to mention the USSR spent the rest of its history opposing Israel and Zionism. It just feeds into the false idea that "Communism is Jewish"

I agree with your post though

 

[lifesucksandyoudie]

People say this and then neglect to mention the USSR spent the rest of its history opposing Israel and Zionism. It just feeds into the false idea that "Communism is Jewish"

I agree with your post though

The USSR only exists because of a literal Jewish Marxist war profiteer.

Alexander Parvus - Wikipedia

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They were arguably compromised from day 1. Third worldists are just useful idiots.

 

[INVERTER]

The USSR only exists because of a literal Jewish Marxist war profiteer.

Alexander Parvus - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They were arguably compromised from day 1. Third worldists are just useful idiots.

He was an anti-communist. Leon Trotsky was a lifelong anti-communist after leaving his position as red army commander. There has been a long divide in the "communist" movement of internationalism vs "nationalism". The only existing socialist states have favored the Stalinist/"Nationalist" line and Trotskyist cosmopolitanism is mostly just defeatist.

 

[lifesucksandyoudie]

He was an anti-communist. Leon Trotsky was a lifelong anti-communist after leaving his position as red army commander. There has been a long divide in the "communist" movement of internationalism vs "nationalism". The only existing socialist states have favored the Stalinist/"Nationalist" line and Trotskyist cosmopolitanism is mostly just defeatist.

The Bolshevik revolution and the consequent USSR can be argued to be compromised but communism as a whole predates Marxism or any Jewish influence. That's what I was getting at.

 

[Giracel]

Third worldists are just useful idiots.

 

[Zionist]

I think the elites no matter their background are evil, whether they are Jewish, Muslim, atheist etc, the elites only work for themselves and serve their own purposes, on the bigger picture people tend to blame the collective for the wrongdoings of a selected few.

 

[Blackpill Monk]

They were arguably compromised from day 1. Third worldists are just useful idiots.

Agree, even today Russia is secretly backing jews

 

[currycell900]

Mainstream news and political discourse tries to paint the picture that US is some third party that gets dragged into middle eastern conflicts due to Israeli adventurism. And then has to act like an adult and broker a deal between all parties.

Groupers think that jews literally control US and use trickery and corruption to get US to do their bidding.

When realpolitik should tell you it's the other way round. Modern Israel is a golem of American creation and it does nothing that isn't funded and allowed by the US. They can literally stop their funding and military support anytime they want and bring the whole house down. Every Israeli action is defacto supported and most probably even directed by it's bigger allies.

Its a battle of abrahmic religions. Its christians and jews vs muslims. They were all born in middle east. Especially judaism and christianity which were found around israel and its areas.

 

[IWWorkER]

into the false idea that "Communism is Jewish"

It is though, look up Marx's ancestry.

 

[Caesercel]

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Personally, I think they are pretty equal with each other. The US is far stronger but Israel is rich and powerful enough to not need it and do whatever they want on their own if needed, though they'll obviously prefer having the US back them.

This is factually incorrect. Israel would've fallen to the Arabs a long time ago if it wasn't West's military outpost. But you are right in that they actually believe this nonsense.

 

[Buried Alive 2.0]

Do you not see that USA government and institutions are filled with activist ziosnists? And what about aipac funding of congressman?

 

[Lonly ghost]

USA is the largest exporter of weapons.

The USA government has to sell weapons to earn money, so it probably has to cause wars as well.

Israel is USA's puppet.

The reason why people think Israel controls USA because they think that jews control everything.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

This is factually incorrect. Israel would've fallen to the Arabs a long time ago if it wasn't West's military outpost. But you are right in that they actually believe this nonsense.

In their first few decades for sure, but now that they have nukes, probably the best air force in that region, good demographics and are much more of a weapons exporter than a weapons importer, I'd say they are able to go on their own if needed.

 

[kevkon]

Mainstream news and political discourse tries to paint the picture that US is some third party that gets dragged into middle eastern conflicts due to Israeli adventurism. And then has to act like an adult and broker a deal between all parties.

Groupers think that jews literally control US and use trickery and corruption to get US to do their bidding.

When realpolitik should tell you it's the other way round. Modern Israel is a golem of American creation and it does nothing that isn't funded and allowed by the US. They can literally stop their funding and military support anytime they want and bring the whole house down. Every Israeli action is defacto supported and most probably even directed by it's bigger allies.

Holy shit you know nothing about history or politics, please don’t talk about the Israel/US issue again until you’ve become more informed. I’m not trying to be a prick but it really doesn’t sound like you know what your talking about.

How do you explain the USS liberty incident? How do you explain Israel being the only country that hasn’t registered under farha for aid? How do you explain all of the most powerful politicians all taking money from AIPAC? How do you explain aipac being the most powerful lobby? How do you explain issues pertaining to Israel being the only issue that both democrat and republican sides of congress unanimously vote in favor of? How do you explain the most powerful and rich people in America being predominantly Jewish and push Israeli propaganda? How do you explain not a single formal mainstream politician not saying anything even remotely negative about our support for Israel? How do you explain Jews being literally the only people you aren’t allowed to criticize under extremely harsh censorship? How do you explain Netanyahu being the word leader who’s visited the White House the most within the shortest period of time out of any other leader through American history? (4 times in under a year), how do you explain the ADL? How do you explain every single president since JFK kissing the wall in Israel? How do you explain the fact that Israel and the mossad spies on us and steals secrets from us? I can keep going and going and going but I’m getting bored.

Now do you think America has even a fraction of the amount of influence and control over Israel as Israel has over us? Out of everything I just named? If so drop the receipts I’d love to see.