True. I think when people talk about "retarded leftists" they think about the American left (aka Clindon's Democrats), which would be the equivalent of center left in most countries, if not just centre. Real leftism and incel ideology have a lot in common tbh.
Like what?
Glorification of the male worker, no unemployment, collectivisations of the means of productions and redistribution of ressources, denounciation of inequalities and predetermined destinies, and thus removal of the entitlements of the dominant classes, internationalism ... It would be easy to have a marxist lecture of the blackpill tbh.
Leftism (even "radical" one) is liberal-progressive and not socialist anymore in all Western countries, we have to work on what we have.
It depends. Some countries still have real far left marginal movements.
I'm familiar with the doctrine and goals of socialism.
Socialism (and broadly the true left) aims to annihilate hierarchy as to reach communism. Any system that doesn't regulate human sexuality is fatal for incels and sub-7 in general.
Exactly, I don’t understand why people think the way things are is “unnatural”. Look at ape societies, they mirror our own in terms of Alphas and Betas and there are incels who don’t breed. If you lived in the past and were “assigned” a wife then chances are the marriage will be loveless and you may as well have fucked a prostitute. It’s just that without religion to placate people any more they put their faith in far-fetched ideologies without understanding that it is the very nature of humanity that is the problem, not whatever system they operate within.I'm not a big fan of conservatism, it always makes me think of:
Maybe some of you think being assigned a wife is a great thing, but it seems hellish to me.
To me involuntary celibacy has nothing to do with politics; it's all biology. Girls are attracted to alphas, it's as simple as that. Everyone else might as well be invisible, at least sexually.
Well, in Eastern Europe there are still interesting socialist parties, like the Communist Party in Russia for example, but for what I know in Western Europe they're, as you said, not even parties but only very marginal fringes, too much minoritarians to be useful. For example, I live in Italy and here the most "radical" leftist party is Potere al Popolo, a movement born in community centres whose adherents are just radical chic hipsters who spent all their time on drugs talking about how everyone is on the right political spectrum compared to Trotsky is basically a "fascist" lulz
People get used to each other over time. The "muh soulmate" thing is a complete western meme, along with Romeo and Juliet-tier romantic love. This is why people suffer in shit and are unfulfilled all their life- they fall for the memes the various types of media shits on them.
Actually a good point, I hadn’t considered that, but you’re right. Most people here think that having a woman who was forced to marry them would solve all their problems, what I’m trying to say is that there is little to no societal structure that will accommodate men in the bottom tier of looks, and a society that tries to (like those in the past) come with more problems than they solve.
The only solution to inceldom is monogamous marriages in a society where it is enforced and adultery is illegal. This has been the standard for all civilizations for thousands of years, this idea is also "traditional" and quite radical today. That is why reactionary traditionalism is the answer.
The societal type that accomodated incels has been around for the last 10,000 years in most of the world. I don't see what problems are getting solved by destroying monogamy (which is obviously the pillar of complex civilization) and leaving whole looks strata of men sexless, affectionless and without a stake in society, which will sooner or later bring forth extreme violence and destabilization.
Remember incels are only around 1-3% of society, though for you the monogamous past seems less problematic, the vast majority of the population are of course going to favour a society where they can test multiple partners before they find the right one. No one wants to live in a society where extramarital sex can get you ostracised apart from the 1-3% for who extramarital sex is not an option.
L M A O, maybe in 1910. Take a look around bruv. Statistically, the sexlesness rates are going through the roof for 18-30 age group, a good 1/3 of men are currently sexless (this is without considering all the people who lie on those) with another 1/3 getting it like several times per year. It's reaching apocalyptical levels in STEM where prolonged or complete celibasy is basically the standard.
Religion is a product of early cultural norms, not the other way around. Atheism also doesn't mean you have to support the destruction of monogamous sexual relations. People want and need to be told what to do.
this.
Sexless doesn’t = incel, many of those guys will settle down in their 30s
Do you think men should be stoned for cheating as well or just women?
The type of changes are unsustainable since they bring a destabilizing new paradigm to the broader socio-economic foundation that depends on the old one to function properly. Changes like these are also pendulum-like. We've had countless decadent societies in the past that ultimately fell and were dismantled and replaced by a reactionary force. Pol pot's agrarian revolution isn't a good example here. Think late rome and weimar.
What's the alternative? In the current state incels (including myself) have no stake in society's well-being. What will you do with your freedom of speech and right to vote, when you're outscreamed and outvoted by women (subhuman parasites) and their irrationalism. Women and sub-100 IQ men don't deserve civil liberties since they cannot utilize them. The currently forming system of universal equality is why we exist.
Very insightful, accurate!
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I do this LARP too. It's just not safe to be tagged as right-wing especially in an environment like college.
Only cucks are liberal
As I stated earlier, there has never been a system in the entirety of history where women have enjoyed the same marital and reproductive freedoms they do today, there is simply no reference point for you to have made a claim such as this.
Why do you translate "decadence" only into sexual degeneracy? It's a broader socio-economic phenomenon. The general sexual liberation is just a symptom of decline. Christians in Rome were basically what muslims are to Europe now- a younger movement with expansion power overtakes the stagnated old order. Weimar didn't really collapse from the 1923 hyperinflation and the 1929 crash, rather, it was "replaced" in a way by polarized popular discontent and the reactionary feeling- whether it would've been communism under Thalmann or natsoc under Hitler, it was clearly a sign that liberal democracy has completely collapsed (being the stagnant force) and was replaced.
Still, current consumerist capitalism relies on constant growth and expansion. If a whole demographic cohort fails to take the consumption demand and labour supply relay of past generations, due to 1/3rd of men not having a stake in society and the other 2/3rds being emasculated and demotivated, the system is going to, sooner or later, suffer a catastrophic failure, under the weight of its outstanding debts, IOUs, the welfare state and loss of trust in investments (bear market bonanza). Both the 2007 crisis and the upcoming second real estate/student loans bubble were/will be caused by the system being unable to maintain itself due to the subhumanification of the general population and the general decline of the nuclear family consumer middle class.
Except the whole arab spring and the broader jihadi salafist terrorism in the last 20 years. Again, many factors are at play.
