Who counts as a real rape victim?

[karlooo]

Majority of rape laws use a fairly narrow definition of rape. Instead of just focusing on the lack of consent, they define it in terms of who penetrates whom. One example of this is the Sexual Offences Act 2003 in England and Wales, which says that rape is when a penis intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus, or mouth without consent. In other words, the definition assumes a male perpetrator and, in the traditional view, a victim who is penetrated.

And because of that definition, if a man is manipulated or forced into a sexual situation where he is made to penetrate someone else, the text doesn't label that as rape under the main rape offences, even though he clearly didn't consent and was violated. Instead those situations are prosecuted as a separate offence which carries a lighter procedural.

That's where it puts an unfair line towards male victims. The message is clear; if you're a male and your assault doesn't fit the traditional script, your violation is seen as a lesser kind. The law ends up reinforcing the same old assumption that men are always sexual actors and never the ones being acted upon. Never to be taken seriously. The law builds a hierarchy for IT, IT gets full recognition, social gravity, and probably the strongest legal language available, whereas male cases get shuffled into alternative offences that carry different labeling and often less weight.

 

[Caichan]

Rape is when sub5 guy

 

[centrelllje8]

Rape is when unattractive man asks out a stacy foid.

 

[karlooo]

Rape is when unattractive man asks out a stacy foid.

why'd you say foid twice

 

[The Death Devil]

I'm going to be honest, and I know there might be people who disagree with me on this, but I don't think 'reverse rape' is actually that big of a deal. Maybe I'm just ignorant, and do let me know if that is the case, but I've never thought to myself that I'd be particularly distressed nor traumatized if some femroach came up to me and was like 'DROP YOUR PANTS RIGHT NOW! I'M GOING TO SUCK YOUR DICK AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!' Even if it was some landwhale or ogre, it's not going to be THAT bad.

I think, of course, that there are exceptions. Incestuous rape where an older woman forces a younger male to have sex with her is pretty reprehensible, for instance—but that's moreso because I think it can cause emotional problems and the incest is probably more serious than the actual 'rape.' STDs are also another issue.

I say all of this like I wouldn't pwn a foid for trying to steal my precious and pure virginity away from me...

 

[retributor]

Rape is when sub5 guy

 

[ChudCrusader]

Rape is when unattractive man asks out a stacy foid.

Rape is when sub5 guy

 

[BlackLowLtn]

I'm going to be honest, and I know there might be people who disagree with me on this, but I don't think 'reverse rape' is actually that big of a deal. Maybe I'm just ignorant, and do let me know if that is the case, but I've never thought to myself that I'd be particularly distressed nor traumatized if some femroach came up to me and was like 'DROP YOUR PANTS RIGHT NOW! I'M GOING TO SUCK YOUR DICK AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!' Even if it was some landwhale or ogre, it's not going to be THAT bad.

I think, of course, that there are exceptions. Incestuous rape where an older woman forces a younger male to have sex with her is pretty reprehensible, for instance—but that's moreso because I think it can cause emotional problems and the incest is probably more serious than the actual 'rape.' STDs are also another issue.

I say all of this like I wouldn't pwn a foid for trying to steal my precious and pure virginity away from me...

This is from the perspective of an .is member who not only lacks sex but viciously feels deprived from it; a likely male rape victim (someone who would likely not have issues with attracting women at all, or has the bluepill mentality of thinking they have access to options) wouldn't want someone they aren't attracted to to come down on them, so in that sense they feel violated.

That violation, when paired with how society expects men to be like, is even more damaging in some aspects I suppose. As a man, they are expected to be able to fend off themselves yet not only have they been violated but also violated by the very sex that is socially seen as weak/non-threatening, which adds a scar to their ego and psyche which could lead to worse sense of self or a very fragile ego. 'How did I let that happen?' Kind of thing.

Like, they to themselves would think they failed as a man or immense shame over the whole thing, like a cuck of some kind. And would overcompensate to get rid of that sense of identity erasure through all kinds of shit.

 

[BlackLowLtn]

There's also plenty of people here who wouldn't agree with a obese woman/ogre as well but how you view that is up to your own discretion.

 

[The Death Devil]

This is from the perspective of an .is member who not only lacks sex but viciously feels deprived from it; a likely male rape victim (someone who would likely not have issues with attracting women at all, or has the bluepill mentality of thinking they have access to options) wouldn't want someone they aren't attracted to to come down on them, so in that sense they feel violated.

That violation, when paired with how society expects men to be like, is even more damaging in some aspects I suppose. As a man, they are expected to be able to fend off themselves yet not only have they been violated but also violated by the very sex that is socially seen as weak/non-threatening, which adds a scar to their ego and psyche which could lead to worse sense of self or a very fragile ego. 'How did I let that happen?' Kind of thing.

Like, they to themselves would think they failed as a man or immense shame over the whole thing, like a cuck of some kind. And would overcompensate to get rid of that sense of identity erasure through all kinds of shit.

I suppose you're right. The only reason I say all this is because of those stories you always see of female teachers getting caught 'raping' their students or something along those lines. Most of the time they're only caught because the guy proceeded to go and brag about it to other guys he knew.

Funnily enough, I was actually reading something related to this just yesterday desu. I think that, from a purely biological point of view, female-on-male rape doesn't really make much sense considering that a male's purpose is to go out and mate with as many females as possible—particularly because they're a limited resource, which leads to competition with other males.

That's why a lot of species actually engage in sexual coercion—males evolved ways to counteract the inclination of their respective species' females to guard themselves against being mated. it was actually really funny to read and I want to make a post about it soon. Regardless, I promise this is all related...

Back to the topic at hand, it doesn't make much sense for a foid to willingly put herself in a position to be bred by a male—that is, unless it's a male she considers 'high-value.' That's why it seems like more of a compliment to me, if anything. You had some foidlet that was so desperate for your seed that she forced you to try and breed her. You didn't even have to go out and try, a foid just wililngly came over towards you and wished to carry your children. Most guys probably know that and that's why they go and brag about being raped when it happens.

 

[SupremeFroggy]

French law fixed this in 2018.

 

[karlooo]

French law fixed this in 2018.

Although most jurisdictions are slowly changing, there are quite a few legal systems where rape laws are still unfair. take Singapore's penal codes, they're defining rape strictly as a man penetrating a woman's vagina and doesn't apply when a man is coerced into sex.

 

[BlackLowLtn]

I suppose you're right. The only reason I say all this is because of those stories you always see of female teachers getting caught 'raping' their students or something along those lines. Most of the time they're only caught because the guy proceeded to go and brag about it to other guys he knew.

Funnily enough, I was actually reading something related to this just yesterday desu. I think that, from a purely biological point of view, female-on-male rape doesn't really make much sense considering that a male's purpose is to go out and mate with as many females as possible—particularly because they're a limited resource, which leads to competition with other males.

That's why a lot of species actually engage in sexual coercion—males evolved ways to counteract the inclination of their respective species' females to guard themselves against being mated. it was actually really funny to read and I want to make a post about it soon. Regardless, I promise this is all related...

Back to the topic at hand, it doesn't make much sense for a foid to willingly put herself in a position to be bred by a male—that is, unless it's a male she considers 'high-value.' That's why it seems like more of a compliment to me, if anything. You had some foidlet that was so desperate for your seed that she forced you to try and breed her. You didn't even have to go out and try, a foid just wililngly came over towards you and wished to carry your children. Most guys probably know that and that's why they go and brag about being raped when it happens.

Ngl, I was thinking more direct rape cases, most of those teacher-on-student cases are closer to cases of grooming than in the strictest sense 'rape'. They are sexually coerced into it (flirting, better grades, etc with it being more so an age issue rather than 'B forced themselves on A') and given a 'choice' even if the law wouldn't deem it as such, it's not the same as a woman actively forcing themselves onto you violently. So it makes sense a lot of these guys would flaunt it, they view it as regular sex and not a sexual assault case, it's the police/parents/school that view it otherwise.

Hm, I still see the point somewhat though. A lot might certainly view it as a positive thing at first, but I imagine there would also be countless who didn't and the main reason we don't hear about them not bragging is because they didn't so there's no way to hear about it: it's pretty obvious with how blatant some of these cases are that it is likely far more prevalent than what is reported to the point where these woman think they can be more daring and obvious about it, especially with how like I said before female-on-male rape is socially seen as absurd, so majority of these guys just wouldn't talk on it out of shame(or view it as a secret) and so it is never known. How can they be known if they are just never publicly posted about or reported to the police?

Imagine the utter embarrassment a lot of these guys would feel when they DON'T see it as a good thing yet still having to tell others 'oh, a woman raped me and I feel disgusted/distraught about it', even if nobody said anything they will imagine all the things people would say behind their backs.

And, although there are those who might see it as a compliment (especially those who do actually find that woman attractive), this assumption forgets the inner turmoil that would come with it; yes, they were given a reproductive opportunity but it was with someone they don't deem as a compatible partner or atleast not given the choice in the matter. As one of the most social species, relationships are far more nuanced than basic biological urges, as we constantly weigh different external factors of the people around us subconsciously such as cultural differences or social norms; for a male that lacks options entirely, they might not have the choice to evaluate these other factors but one who's of 'high' value, they would want to be far more selective than you are letting on. And, again as they haven't been given a choice, they are beaten into a submissive position that is very alien from the current consensus of what makes a man, which goes back to my original message.

 

[The Death Devil]

Ngl, I was thinking more direct rape cases, most of those teacher-on-student cases are closer to cases of grooming than in the strictest sense 'rape'. They are sexually coerced into it (flirting, better grades, etc with it being more so an age issue rather than 'B forced themselves on A') and given a 'choice' even if the law wouldn't deem it as such, it's not the same as a woman actively forcing themselves onto you violently. So it makes sense a lot of these guys would flaunt it, they view it as regular sex and not a sexual assault case, it's the police/parents/school that view it otherwise.

Hm, I still see the point somewhat though. A lot might certainly view it as a positive thing at first, but I imagine there would also be countless who didn't and the main reason we don't hear about them not bragging is because they didn't so there's no way to hear about it: it's pretty obvious with how blatant some of these cases are that it is likely far more prevalent than what is reported to the point where these woman think they can be more daring and obvious about it, especially with how like I said before female-on-male rape is socially seen as absurd, so majority of these guys just wouldn't talk on it out of shame(or view it as a secret) and so it is never known. How can they be known if they are just never publicly posted about or reported to the police?

Imagine the utter embarrassment a lot of these guys would feel when they DON'T see it as a good thing yet still having to tell others 'oh, a woman raped me and I feel disgusted/distraught about it', even if nobody said anything they will imagine all the things people would say behind their backs.

And, although there are those who might see it as a compliment (especially those who do actually find that woman attractive), this assumption forgets the inner turmoil that would come with it; yes, they were given a reproductive opportunity but it was with someone they don't deem as a compatible partner or atleast not given the choice in the matter. As one of the most social species, relationships are far more nuanced than basic biological urges, as we constantly weigh different external factors of the people around us subconsciously such as cultural differences or social norms; for a male that lacks options entirely, they might not have the choice to evaluate these other factors but one who's of 'high' value, they would want to be far more selective than you are letting on.

Good points desu... I agree with you. Maybe it really is just because I get NO attention from foids, so I automatically assume that any sexual encounter is a good thing—or, atleast, not 'negative.' Maybe I'm conflating fantasy with reality? I can also see why that'd probably be pretty embarrassing to admit to as a guy. Regardless of what the truth is, society doesn't care about us enough as a gender to ever do anything about it.

What a shame.

 

[BlackLowLtn]

Good points desu... I agree with you. Maybe it really is just because I get NO attention from foids, so I automatically assume that any sexual encounter is a good thing—or, atleast, not 'negative.' Maybe I'm conflating fantasy with reality? I can also see why that'd probably be pretty embarrassing to admit to as a guy. Regardless of what the truth is, society doesn't care about us enough as a gender to ever do anything about it.

What a shame.

 

[OverLoner]

I'm going to be honest, and I know there might be people who disagree with me on this, but I don't think 'reverse rape' is actually that big of a deal. Maybe I'm just ignorant, and do let me know if that is the case, but I've never thought to myself that I'd be particularly distressed nor traumatized if some femroach came up to me and was like 'DROP YOUR PANTS RIGHT NOW! I'M GOING TO SUCK YOUR DICK AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT!' Even if it was some landwhale or ogre, it's not going to be THAT bad.

I think, of course, that there are exceptions. Incestuous rape where an older woman forces a younger male to have sex with her is pretty reprehensible, for instance—but that's moreso because I think it can cause emotional problems and the incest is probably more serious than the actual 'rape.' STDs are also another issue.

I say all of this like I wouldn't pwn a foid for trying to steal my precious and pure virginity away from me...

Ignoring the potential harm it's more about making them deal with the consequences of being equal. Since gender roles are destroyed then we should treat a woman the same as a man right? I'm tired of them cherrypicking when gender roles are to used and when they're not to be used.