A few countries in South America are whiter than modern Europe some say, Id say you could still rebuild it and make it a white country.
Japan would never accept mass white immigration, Whites escaping to Japan are coping and wasting their time
Wdym
Japan isn’t unique for having some social issues
Bro they’re developed wealthy country
East Asia TFR map
Even from a social aspect, they are better than the rest of East Asia (although that is a really low bar, to be fair).
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South Korea jfl
East Asia TFR map
Even from a social aspect, they are better than the rest of East Asia (although that is a really low bar, to be fair).
Perhaps, I’m open to the idea of rebuilding but i would need more info behind the logistics, how realistic is it, how easy would it be, etc.
Well similar things have happened before, I mean look at Rhodesia and South Africa. Both states which benefited massively from white migration, but I agree that especially with the current leader of Japan they would be heavily against white mass migration (as they should, i wouldn’t expect them to be. It’s because of that which is why it’s a desirable place. If they did allow mass migration of whites I would genuinely lose respect for the country) however the plan isn’t for all whites to immigrate to japan, the Japan idea only makes sense if it’s a minority of whites. However I think Japan would prefer immigration from whites to any other race aside from maybe Asians obviously.
American whites are just as bad as their niggers, in fact they need those yns and gangbangers to make them look better in comparison.
I feel like this is so simple. Do you think Japans current culture produces pros and cons? You seem to view this as a black and white thing. When I replied to you I was able to meet you half way and make some concessions because i understand that theirs upsides and downsides and there’s nuance. it doesn’t seem like your willing to meet me in the middle though. Do you seriously believe there are no perks or benefits from japans society? That it’s literally all bad? Your position leaves no room for nuance or compromise.
I mean disagreeing with the country operating smoothly? If you walk around Tokyo you won’t see a single piece of trash. The city is clean, well kept and everyone arrives to work on time, nobodies ever late, literally one of the lowest crime rates in the world, I mean everything just works. To disagree with the country running well due to cultural/social cohesion just borders on foolishness and I can only think that you may have some type of personal bias towards the country that’s clouding your judgement and motivating these positions. I gave a fair representation where i highlighted the good and the bad. You can’t seem to do that.
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Agree, and in regards of LATAM it doesn’t even have to go as far as nationalism, the simple fact these people love or normalize living in a concrete jungle shithole country while being getting fucked in the ass by corrupt politicians and gangs makes it retard enough and even funny retard.
I respect the Japs but they don’t stand out on national sentiments
This right here ^
Look at America, extremely diverse in terms of race, beliefs and ideology creates a country of division, disaster and hatred. “Freedom” is only as good as the people. If you live in a low trust, low honor society then freedom does nothing but harm because people will ABUSE it. However in a high honor society where the people can be trusted to responsibly use their freedom, that’s the ideal. This can’t be done in a multicultural society. People must be agreed on the same page (at least at the fundamental level)
Okay my mind is made up. Your either disingenuous because you hate Japan for some reason or I’m sorry but your just an idiot.
He said “good economy” and “high trust” and you said “not Japan”
I don’t think it would be possible for you to formulate a single argument as to how Japan is not high trust. Make a single argument as to how it’s LOW trust. I would love to hear it. Women can literally leave phones and bags unattended in public and nobody will steal it. Try that in any American or European city. Some of them have to put LOCKS on the fucking Doritos bags.
Japans economy is objectively good as well, it consistently combines advanced technology, industrial strength, and social stability despite major challenges like limited natural resources and an aging population.
Another strength is infrastructure and efficiency. Japan’s public transportation, logistics systems, and urban planning are among the best in the world, helping businesses operate smoothly and keeping productivity high. The country also maintains relatively low crime, high education standards, and strong social cohesion, which creates a stable environment for economic activity and investment. This isn’t even mentioning the things Japan makes in terms of the automobile industry, the entertainment industry, etc. they produce a lot of value.
Japan remains one of the world’s largest economies because it dominates high-value industries such as automobiles, robotics, electronics, precision manufacturing, and semiconductor equipment. Your just flat out objectively wrong.
Shitskin niggers don't deserve to stand on asian soil, behead all pedo sandniggers
Ricecels are the only ones who aren't
It's brutal
There is no Asia for Asians to go to, just like there is Asia for Whites, and Europe for Muslims
Literal bottom of the hierarchy
North Korea will be the last stand of pure asians against the wmaf waste product hapa abominations hat will fill the place in 50 years
As a White Man DEPORT US
We will fuck your country up
Try not to racebait challenge (impossible):
Japan is rightful autistic black weeb clay
Within reason. Would you really want all foids and people to look like george floyd? Imagine if anime girls all looked like george floyd.Japan is rightful autistic black weeb clay
1) There is no nuance to be had. The truth isn't always in the middle
2) There are no perks
3) You identify a whole country with Toukyou, the same as any other uninformed tourist
4) "The city is clean, well kept and everyone arrives to work on time, nobodies ever late" who cares
5) "literally one of the lowest crime rates in the world" japanese life does not leave room for copulation between husband and wife, there is no time to commit crime, unless you are ostracized, in which case you do, but whoops it's under-reported as fuck.
6) "I mean everything just works." I think you should reread my post
7) "To disagree with the country running well due to cultural/social cohesion" you did not, in fact, try to meet me in the middle, you're keeping your initial stance. And this stance is factually incorrect.
8) "I gave a fair representation where i highlighted the good and the bad." You didn't. You just want to spread your stupid ethnostate propaganda
I believe this comments itself, you won't listen either way.
Whatever, there’s no such thing as a perfect society.
I would love to do that to foids in gta v with mods
Eh this muh East Asia shame culture is a meme
A lot of incels here are literal products of the West’s gynocentric culture and shaming of subhumans. Shame culture exists everywhere, if you don’t work hard and/or provide value to society you will always be seen as a dog
I agree, I am simply pointing out what we have here and what we have there are very similar situations. He's basically saying "b-b-but muh Toukyou is le hecking klean!!!" like a retard, go to any other literal capital city in europe (except Rome jfl) and see what's up. And don't look at the niggers, that's not the point rn, look at the streets.
I really want the Japan myth to stop being bought into.
Yea bro you are a grade A retard
1. Everything has nuance. Literally everything. Low IQ statement
2. Yes there are and I highlighted them numerous times
3. I don’t actually, I used Tokyo as an example because it’s the capital and is universally recognized. I can use examples from other cities if you wish
4. ”who cares” nice counter argument bro lmfao, it literally proves your entire point wrong but okay.
5. I’m being so serious when I say that this is such a bad argument that I don’t even think it deserves me dignifying it with a response
6. Don’t need to. I know I’m right and your wrong lol
7. I did in fact meet you in the middle because I didn’t just argue for my position, I steel manned yours and even highlighted the strong points of your arguments by criticizing the social isolation of Japan due to lack of individuality and time consuming work culture. Try again retard.
8. Wrong again. I gave the pros and cons of both sides. I’d love for you to tell me how that isn’t a fair representation.
You just sound like an immature childish brat who thinks all of his opinions are objectively correct and if anyone dares disagree with your subjective point of view then they are objectively wrong, people realize things aren’t black and white once they hit 10 years old. Seems you missed that somehow. Again it would be much easier if you just said “I have a personal hatred of Japan that motivates my thoughts”
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please commit suicide at your earliest convenience ty faggot
Ofc, but bro his arguments aren’t even good lmao it’s so obvious that he just has an emotional bias against Japan that motivates all of his opinions, they aren’t hard to counter at all, it’s just embarrassing for him.
Nice rage quit LMFAO it’s okay, I understand that it’s hard to admit when you’re wrong about something. Kinda foid-coded ngl
you know nothing about anything yet still talk, kys
Dude you can’t debate. You suck at it. Wanna debate japans economy? I’ll mop the floor with you without even trying but I know your gonna run away because your a scared little coward pussy who knows he’ll get demolished like you did here, you are worthless. (Still didn’t reply to my last batch of arguments btw) lololololol
you're a sandnigger holy shit, you have their level of arrogance and iq, you do not even know what "debate" means, you never replied to any of my objectively true, factually verifiable points, you merely restated your initial toddler level worthless piece of toilet paper of an opinion and then started insulting and insinuating a personal bias on my side like the fucking 4chang user you are, honestly I should've ignored you at the first sign you are just a fucking self-hating shitskin who is here to spew some bullshit propaganda and knows nothing about Japan, nothing zero ZILCH nigga absolutely nothing, I suggest you pick up a book and return to 2nd grade.
You need to have perspective and compare Japan to other gook or non white countries to see how accomplished they are, instead of the typical Western bias where a first world quality of life is taken for granted
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Sorry didn’t read. Due to you Still not making any substantive counter arguments and are clearly just seething. lmao
I offered you a topic change to their economy as a form of mercy since you were doing so poorly on this topic lmaooo
either make a substantive argument or take the L and fuck off. Pick one.
“You don’t know anything” well none of your cute little fun facts did a single thing to save your piss poor argument lol
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Not when he says this:
Then the comparison has to be made with "secular liberal countries" (read: Europe)
Im not trying to start another shit sling fest, I’m willing to engage in good faith if you are, I’m just genuinely trying to pick your Brain so out of curiosity, what are some of the pros or perks of these “secular liberal European countries” that you think make them desirable or superior to that of Japan? I’m a just trying to figure out what you believe is all. What do you think makes these countries better? What are the best upsides in your opinion? Honestly curious not even trying to argue.
It's bad regardless of what race does it.
sorry for going off at you. Haven't had a good day, that is no reason to refer to you as I have, however. It was a shameful display of inexcusable behavior.
Fundamentally I think that the individual should be served by society, and not vice versa. Perhaps this is where we differ in our views?
First of all, I do not have any personal biases against Japan: I study the Japanese language, engage with Japanese media, and respect Japanese people.
I'll be writing assuming that organizing in societies is more desirable than not doing so.
When it comes to western societies, I do not think there is anything that makes them inherently better than eastern ones, besides the individualist matrix over which, at least nominally and historically, they are built upon. Collectivism justifies nullification of the individual person in order for society to maintain itself. Personally, and this is just an opinion, I think modern western liberal societies are becoming more and more oppressive in nature with more tools at their disposal for preservation of the status quo.
Now, I am not advocating for anarchy either, my actual view is different and based on some system of thought I'm trying to develop, which I won't talk about here cuz who cares, but I think a society where the individual does not fall in castes, or otherwise rigid, inescapable social categories based on wealth, religion or other similar factors is more preferable due to (assuming other people exist independently of our perception) allowing individuals to express their humanity. I know it is a vague criterion, however I don't think I can have a better argument for it than this.
Empirically, it appears that the effects of a society such as the Japanese one on individuals are largely negative, so much so that even the government itself recognizes them: karoushi, hikikomori, kodokushi, freeters, parasite singles, the heavy discrimination that descendants of Eta and Hinin people face (now called Burakumin euphemistically). I don't know where you're from, but I compare this latter point to the heavy discrimination that northern Italians have towards southern Italians, which is less apparent today but was in full force until 10-15 years ago approximately.
The Japanese economy has also never recovered from the 1991 Nikkei crash, with a massive GDP/Debt ratio, devaluation of the Yen, over-interventionism of the state in the economy and rising energy prices (antecedent to the Iran invasion) causing Japan to play with a dangerous fire called "being close to recession rates". The fact that they have some sectors of manufacture where they are global leaders, as you pointed out earlier, is not sufficient to save a country, unfortunately (as it is observable in Italy, also in a very precarious situation). In fact, economists consistently compare Japan's and Italy's present economical conditions.
I think I originally expressed myself in a way that left the impression that I wanted to justify western societies and bash eastern ones (in particular Japan). Truly, I find both types of societies to be causes of individual oppression at the hands of governments and social orders, but western societies have a different tradition of individualism that eastern ones, particularly Japan, seem to lack entirely (with the exception possibly of South Korea but that nation is truly fucked).
sorry again for the way I have spoken to you earlier.
Awwww anyways..
I apologize too. We are both at fault.
We should be able to have disagreements and exchange different opinions in a civil manner.
If it makes you feel any better it was never personal for me. I went a little overboard and can act like a prick during arguments sometimes because I get competitive and that’s on me.
I always have this assumption in my mind that both parties will be heated and say vile shit but at the end of the day it’s just the internet and we are just fucking around and “sparing” and we will be good sports about it. (Similar to how In wrestling they act like they hate each other but they don’t really feel that way in real life) but not everyone thinks like that and I shouldn't assume that they will think like me so again, I’m sorry if you took anything personally. I never took it that way.
(And by bad for not replying to your arguments, I agree with some stuff and disagree with a little bit but mostly agreeable I’m just too tired to give you an in depth reply, I’m on low sleep.)
IMO, the main problem is that every time people talk about Japan's problems (which, in my opinion, way too often happens just because people want to give them and other high-income Gooks claims to oppression and victimhood, because they don't like the idea of there being ethnic countries that don't have them), there isn't any such specification as to who they should be compared to, or any mention of other countries for comparison at all. That, combined with the empathy gap between the amount Japs get compared to most other peoples on the planet and people's wish to make them seem oppressed, then easily leads to people not understanding that some problem is a thing in which Japan even can be compared to other countries, rather than something unique to them.
And that's in cases when Japan itself is talked about, rather than something that is a worldwide problem you could find anywhere, but it's popularly seen as only a Japanese/East Asian problem, because people have only minimal empathy to the lower-income 85% of the world, and people by default see white countries as better than they are.
As a perfect example of that, let's look at:
Japs coined the term, but they are absolutely nowhere to leading the world when it comes to deaths from overwork. In fact, they'd have trouble to make it to the world average.
Here's a more readable version of the graphs above, which made me feel like punching through a wall when I first saw it:
Karoshi - Wikipedia
Quite the chart to see as an Eastern European
. Really, as Eastern Europeans, we are getting hit with the opposite of what Japs get; while people are desperate to give them oppression and victimhood claims by minimizing how good they have it compared to the rest of the world for racial reasons (them being ethnics who can't claim to be oppressed), foreigners, and increasingly even many people here, smooth over EE's problems because they don't like the feeling of their worldviews being challenged by the existence of overwhelmingly white countries which have a good amount of victimhood claims. I guess that's why it's hard for me to not notice this.Guess how many times in my life I've been told that one of the countries bordering mine is comparable to Japan when it comes to deaths from overwork (Poland), and another is far ahead of it (Ukraine)? Zero times in my life. If this discussion here, on an incel forum, hadn't prompted me to search for this information, I wouldn't have known about it at all, because nobody ever mentions it, because they likewise don't know it.
But how many times have I been told that Japs and other Gooks just work so hard
, their culture just destroys them you know, we need to pity them because their non-Western culture just treats them like worker ants, they are just worked to the bone, it's so brutal to be them? More times in my life than I can count. Even talking purely about Japan being an outlier given its GDP per capita, by 2016, which is where this data is from, Poland had about 70% of its GDP per capita, so those two countries can still perfectly be compared, and one has had people crying about how hard it is from them for how much they supposedly have to work, while the other's problems are ignored.It can be tricky to compare racial and gender issues and differences, but the way East Asians are pitied for no reason on this issue while everyone else just dies with nobody batting an eye makes this specific comparison hard not to make
:View: https://x.com/TheTinMenBlog/status/2069315752847425627#m
Probably the funniest instance of this I saw was a Visual Capitalist article about OECD countries' average annual working hours, with the Japanese figure of course countering the Jap victimhood narrative, so it specifically got a paragraph at the end talking about how it's lower than it should be
, because 40% of Japanese workforce is part-time, as if those part-timers weren't Japs as well, basically telling the reader to ignore 40% of the data on a specific country so their worldview doesn't get changed.
Visualizing Annual Working Hours in OECD Countries
Where do people work the most? Explore our analysis of the average annual working hours across OECD countries.
www.visualcapitalist.com
Of course, no other comments of the percentage of other countries' part-time workers anywhere to be found in that article
.And this is how it goes with most of the issues mentioned here:
They have a lower NEET rate then OECD average and I already linked the part-time stats above.
NEET - Wikipedia
Similar to above, their numbers are more-or-less in line with Mediterranean and Eastern European countries with whom they cluster GDP per capita-wise.
View: https://x.com/EconObservatory/status/2013560895054438431
Exactly. Especially when it comes to the studying aspect, the actual stats for that are comical, because:
Japanese kids spend much less time studying than OECD average:
They both spend much less time on homework than others, and actually have on average shorter school days than Americans for example:
Average School Day Length by Country 2026
Interesting details on the average school day length by country, showcasing the amount of time students spend in school on average.
This one is just hilarious. I guess because Korea and China do fit that stereotype much better even according to actual data, most people just assume it's the same for Japan as well, but let's not pretend like people look at data first and form their opinions based on that. It really seems to mostly just be people trying to give Japs, and to a lesser extent other high-income Gooks, claims to oppression and victimhood at any cost.
Falling fertility and relationships are a problem everywhere. If anything, the one thing it's going to lead to is less ability for low-income ethnics to cope by believing that there is something they beat developed countries in.
Eh, YMMV on that. They are the world's second biggest cultural exporter after all. The average Japanese artist can just put their work, however mid (or even below it) it is, out there, on Pixiv or wherever, and have foreigners gushing over it due to the "thing, Japan" effect.
That is a potent example of human narcissism. JBWs (by JBWs, I mean Western Europe and the US) view light-skinned and high-income gooks as close to their kin. I remember JBWs also being very fond of Argentines because their Football team had no niggers. You mentioned in the “car-owners by countries” post that Japan was one of the only (if not the only) first-world non-white countries back in the 60s. By validating their claims to oppression and victimhood, they form a white-centric brotherhood.
“Like wdym, in the UAE, 35% of the total population is curries? Wdym, curries are being imported in Jewkrain? Why should I care if curries are invading sands or slavs, but keep your dirty ethnic hands off my weaboo land.”
When it comes to non-ethnic and lower-income countries, JBWs justify it by claiming they are just lazy and incompetent. They deserve the shithole they live in. In the Iran and Palestine conflict, this whole right-wing grifting network on YT acted like literal psychopaths. Fuck knows how many times they brought up those few Israeli whores who got raped as a justification for genocide.
Well, to be honest, JBWs have more affinity for EE countries nowadays. Poland is especially popular among right-wingers. But then again, it might be because of how little ethnic diversity there is in these countries. So they use them as “le based Slavs” to peddle their own white supremacist agenda.Quite the chart to see as an Eastern European
Guess how many times in my life I've been told that one of the countries bordering mine is comparable to Japan when it comes to deaths from overwork (Poland), and another is far ahead of it (Ukraine)? Zero times in my life. If this discussion here, on an incel forum, hadn't prompted me to search for this information, I wouldn't have known about it at all, because nobody ever mentions it, because they likewise don't know it.
But how many times have I been told that Japs and other Gooks just work so hard
I had a chat with JewPT regarding this the other day. I knew how it would go, but I wanted to test just how feminism-coded that shit is. Sure enough, it gave me the bullshit, jap whores work just as long as Japanese men.
So Japanese men aren’t really overworked, and jap whores work even less, but they have a fertility crisis because japwhores are SO overworked, handling both the (part-time) professional life and the (automated) household.
These niggas have club activities, where they spend a lot of their school hours. Hence, they get to take part in those privileged sports events at the Olympics. In most schools in lower-income countries, the infrastructure is so poor that we even lack proper classrooms.Japanese kids spend much less time studying than OECD average:
https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oe...enough-time-learning_e1a6c6ea/744d881a-en.pdf
They both spend much less time on homework than others, and actually have on average shorter school days than Americans for example:
https://qz.com/311360/students-in-these-countries-spend-the-most-time-doing-homework
In both China and India, school is extremely stressful. To educate students at scale, they employ rote learning. Students spend more than 10 hours between school, tuition classes, or studying at home, just memorizing shit for exams.
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I’ve seen the opposite. Western libtards (including the ones that migrate to Japan) overwhelmingly bitch about how “racist” the country is and argue that Japan is obligated to accept mass immigration to atone for its history as a colonial power. If they do argue for the “oppression” of Japanese it’s almost always for Japanese women. They view Japanese far right or even remotely right wing parties with disdain, hence their celebration of Shinzo Abe’s assassination.
While these myths about Japan may be factually incorrect, it’s arguably better that foreigners believe them. It’s probably doing a fair bit of work to keep ethnic shitskins and white libtards/geomaxxers away from Japan.coined the term, but they are absolutely nowhere to leading the world when it comes to deaths from overwork. In fact, they'd have trouble to make it to the world average.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160412021002208
Here's a more readable version of the graphs above, which made me feel like punching through a wall when I first saw it:
Quite the chart to see as an Eastern EuropeanKaroshi - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Guess how many times in my life I've been told that one of the countries bordering mine is comparable to Japan when it comes to deaths from overwork (Poland), and another is far ahead of it (Ukraine)? Zero times in my life. If this discussion here, on an incel forum, hadn't prompted me to search for this information, I wouldn't have known about it at all, because nobody ever mentions it, because they likewise don't know it.
But how many times have I been told that Japs and other Gooks just work so hard
It can be tricky to compare racial and gender issues and differences, but the way East Asians are pitied for no reason on this issue while everyone else just dies with nobody batting an eye makes this specific comparison hard not to make
Very eye opening information you’ve shared though, both in this quoted portion as well as the rest of your post. Seems to debunk the “muh economics” and “muh culture” argument for Japan’s low birthrates, proving that the problem there is the same as everywhere – unchecked female hypergamy
I don’t see it. It is true that many NW European and Anglosphere “WNs” are strangely tolerant of WMAF racemixing (they’re very tolerant of WMXF racemixing in general and will find any way to make “ironic” references to it), but the same isn’t true when it’s AMWF (even if the AM in question is Japanese). If they viewed NE Asians as “brothers” you’d expect it to go both ways
Yeah! I might have overstated my case in that instance. It could very well be them weaponizing the traditional idea of Japan and their intolerance of ethnics to push their own white supremacy, which they already do with EE as well, as I have mentioned.
Yet, I cannot help but feel that Jap men are still treated much better by JBWs than Slavs or EE men in general. Maybe it’s the notion that Jap men are hardworking while Slavs are alcoholic.
Both get cucked by NW European and Anglosphere geomaxxers, but with EE migrants many do move to certain WE countries (namely Germany and the UK) and allegedly do not integrate well due to cultural differences. With Japan there’s at least not much direct experience that your typical WN has with the Japanese, because there are barely any Japanese migrants in the West (Brazil of all places actually has the largest Japanese population outside of Japan).
In the case of New World WNs, however, I think the preference for Japs over EEs is mainly just a holdover from Hitlerian NS ideology. Many can barely articulate why they dislike Slavs and will just spout debunked theories of them being mixed with Mongolians or smth. A lot can’t even identify Slavic last names, so they’re clueless of the fact that many whites in the New World have Slavic origins.
I find it especially ironic since they constantly cope about the fact that West/Central Africans on average have better genotypic athleticism than whites, and will talk about the time when x white boxer/MMA fighter destroyed y black fighter, or how the goat in z sport is white. And 90% of the time said white athlete they’re we wuzzing on has Eastern European origins
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