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Title. As alot of you have observed, there has been a recent boom in new recruits since May 2026(I am one of them). I would like to understand the causes of this boom and how people before the 2023 tiktok hit, used to find this site.

For me, I learnt of the blackpill around 2021 after reading someone say "Andrew tate isn't an incel, incels are blackpillers". I learnt a rudimentary meaning of the blackpill then but I didn't know of the forums. Used to think these would be hidden sites with invites they show on Anime or Movies etc.

Then in 2025 a linguistic youtuber, Etymology nerd made a video about incel lingo in pop culture and how he went to the "deepest,darkest" parts of the internet. These so called parts someone in the comments mentioned eas just org. I asked someone what is that, isn't that just domain ending. He told me about the Looksmax forum, I went there and a post there was about is and from there I came here. I lurked for half an year and then finally took the pill and made an account.

Honestly tho, I was surprised. I used to think this place must be bubbling with people considering how people talk about incels in the internet. But there are barely two hundred guys online on average and alot of them are from the spring boom.
 
I don't remember, but I lurked for weeks before making this account. I guess 4chan maybe, maybe someone on /pol/ mentioned this place.
 
I don't remember, but I lurked for weeks before making this account. I guess 4chan maybe, maybe someone on /pol/ mentioned this place.
You remember how'd you get on 4chan?
 
I got here from Incels wiki, searching about incel sites and finding out about this being the only site that is actually alive
 
Been there since like 2006 or something. It's shit nowadays, went to shit when m00t sold it to chinkm00t.
Oh I see. An oldhead on there. I never really got with it's ui. Too confusing honestly.
 
I got here from Incels wiki, searching about incel sites and finding out about this being the only site that is actually alive
The golden question, How did you get on the wiki. Love to hear about your journey
 
The golden question, How did you get on the wiki. Love to hear about your journey
I barely remember. I remember I stumbled on it, but I don't remember which article
 
Lurking for years, back way before the entire anime foid avi war, and further before that, maybe like 3 years?

Saw it because of the incel wiki, and went "oh shit a forum fuck yes" and started reading pretty much daily/weekly on the posts.

Told myself id make an account when i reach 30 but meh, 28 is close enough and at that point its over.
 
I knew about incels back in 2019-2021 because of ER and @BrendioEEE did that interview.

Then early 2022 when I was bluepilled I found this place cause I was curious about these EVIL INCELS.

Then later on that same year became blackpilled and joined.
 
I found out about .is from the wiki
 
I knew about incels back in 2019-2021 because of ER and @BrendioEEE did that interview.

Then early 2022 when I was bluepilled I found this place cause I was curious about these EVIL INCELS.

Then later on that same year became blackpilled and joined.
It doesn't take long from once you are face to face with the bp to not accept it
 
Lurking for years, back way before the entire anime foid avi war, and further before that, maybe like 3 years?

Saw it because of the incel wiki, and went "oh shit a forum fuck yes" and started reading pretty much daily/weekly on the posts.

Told myself id make an account when i reach 30 but meh, 28 is close enough and at that point its over.
Oh, so how much is it over for you. Literally no hope or smth?
 
Oh, so how much is it over for you. Literally no hope or smth?
Autism, which is not crippling but very easy to notice after 0.4 seconds of interaction- And unlike chad, its not "quirky" or "unique" its just seen as repulsive amongst sub5 facial/wristcel traits. Not hideously deformed but far from being average. Sort of person that makes girls goes "ugh-" when made to sit next to me on a bus.

So yes, no hope essentially.
 
Someone linked the thread on this site about how foids dating the guys who don't wipe ass and leave underpants with shit in laundry. This was brutal. And i kinda liked atmosphere here. I knew about bp for many years, but not about this site.
 
As alot of you have observed, there has been a recent boom in new recruits since May 2026(I am one of them).
Many users joining and participating in a site around summer is a well-known phenomenon:
The ones who stick around from each summer wave is an entirely different story (not many, usually).
Honestly tho, I was surprised. I used to think this place must be bubbling with people considering how people talk about incels in the internet. But there are barely two hundred guys online on average and alot of them are from the spring boom.
There are more than 200 active longtime users. They're not online as often as the newest Greycels are, and they don't post as much as Sewercels do, but they are here.
I would like to understand the causes of this boom and how people before the 2023 tiktok hit, used to find this site.
Some users are direct migrants from the Incel subreddits which shut down around 2017, and inspired the creation of this site. Those subreddits were descendants of the forum PUAHate, which led to the forums Sluthate and Lookism, and some users here also participated in those. The PSL sites were a reaction against the pickup-artist culture, which was popular in the 2000s. There are also a few users who come from various Redpill, MRA, MGTOW and anti-feminist spaces of old.

As for users who came before 2023 specifically, most who didn't find their way here through those aforementioned sites did so through various blackpill-related YouTube channels, of which there have been many especially since 2017.

There have of course been many other Incel-adjacent online spaces, and books and so on before that which could have led some people here. I doubt there are many users here who were hardcore ">tfw no gf" users of places like 4Chan's /r9k/ though, because most all /r9k/ users had probably trooned out or similar around 2017.
 
Autism, which is not crippling but very easy to notice after 0.4 seconds of interaction- And unlike chad, its not "quirky" or "unique" its just seen as repulsive amongst sub5 facial/wristcel traits. Not hideously deformed but far from being average. Sort of person that makes girls goes "ugh-" when made to sit next to me on a bus.

So yes, no hope essentially.
Neurodivergency paired with lack of looks genuinely detrimental out here.
 
Someone linked the thread on this site about how foids dating the guys who don't wipe ass and leave underpants with shit in laundry. This was brutal. And i kinda liked atmosphere here. I knew about bp for many years, but not about this site.
Seems a funny thread. Yet brutal
 
Many users joining and participating in a site around summer is a well-known phenomenon:
The ones who stick around from each summer wave is an entirely different story (not many, usually).

There are more than 200 active longtime users. They're not online as often as the newest Greycels are, and they don't post as much as Sewercels do, but they are here.

Some users are direct migrants from the Incel subreddits which shut down around 2017, and inspired the creation of this site. Those subreddits were descendants of the forum PUAHate, which led to the forums Sluthate and Lookism, and some users here also participated in those. The PSL sites were a reaction against the pickup-artist culture, which was popular in the 2000s. There are also a few users who come from various Redpill, MRA, MGTOW and anti-feminist spaces of old.

As for users who came before 2023 specifically, most who didn't find their way here through those aforementioned sites did so through various blackpill-related YouTube channels, of which there have been many especially since 2017.

There have of course been many other Incel-adjacent online spaces, and books and so on before that which could have led some people here. I doubt there are many users here who were hardcore ">tfw no gf" users of places like 4Chan's /r9k/ though, because most all /r9k/ users had probably trooned out or similar around 2017.
Good good. Thanks for all that. It is pretty crazy that people pack us up with redpillers like tate and yet the whole reason this place came to be was due to PUAhate. Do you know anything about the development of the philosophy of blackpill itself? Also wdyl by the trooning out of 4chan r9
 
Dont remember tbh probably soydit from r/ugly or r/inkyverse
 
It is pretty crazy that people pack us up with redpillers like tate and yet the whole reason this place came to be was due to PUAhate. Do you know anything about the development of the philosophy of blackpill itself?
Even though former PSL users don't want to admit it, the development of the intellectual side of the blackpill owes a lot to the few good redpill, MRA, MGTOW and anti-feminist spaces that once existed. Those ~redpill guys had a few forums, but it was mostly individuals with anonymous websites and blogs stretching back to the late 1990s dot-com bubble. Eventually all of that converged into the r/TheRedPill subreddit, which reached its peak in popularity around 2010 - 2012, before it tapered off completely around 2015. The original popularisation of ideas about what the true nature of women is, and hypergamy was pretty much entirely the work of these groups.

If you want to check out what those guys were talking about, check out The Masculine Principle online book (the 2nd version released in 2015, not the original one from 2012), the NO MA'AM blog and the archive of the r/TheRedPill sidebar (that subreddit changed significantly over the years). It is also important to note that these particular redpill groups were very influenced by various old books, like "The Manipulated Man" from 1971 and so on.

As for the PSL forum users, they invented thins like the PSL looks scale, as well as many of the terms we use today (like "sub5" and "LTN", for example). Likewise, they adopted the incel term to describe themselves. As for the "incel" term specificially it doesn't come from some foid unlike what MSM would have you believe, the term has a long history: https://incels.wiki/w/Incelosphere_timeline, and the particular "incel" abbreviation wasn't coined by that foid MSM touts up either, it comes from an anonymous user who interacted with her. Either way what these forum users contributed to the blackpill was largely the different kinds of experiences you will have depending on your looks. They also extended the discussion of things only being about relationships about women, to instead being about every facet of life, with ideas like genetic determinism.

When it comes to people like Andrew Tate, it's true that most users here don't come from his brand of second-wave PUA/redpill-grifting garbage, fans of his landed in places like Looksmax.org instead. I think a few might have found this place from semi-grifter second-wave redpillers, like the GamerGate guys who graduated to the Far Right and took that as far as they could, or potentially a few who got some of their information from people like Roosh V, Sam Hyde and hoe_math (basically people who repackaged old redpill or PUA ideas for zillenial and zoomer audiences).
Also wdyl by the trooning out of 4chan r9
The thing to remember about 4Chan is that it was originally founded as an anime forum. Due to this, and its anonymous and lightly moderated nature a particular type of anime fan would himself there. The type of lonely young zillenial and late millenial guys, who got bullied off sites like GameFAQs and Something Awful for not being tough enough, and for liking anime and anime/manga-artstyle games, and especially for feeling romantic and sexual affection towards anime girls.

On 4Chan they could all of a sudden freely engage in their favourite topic, without being criticised by a bunch of Gen X users obsessed with masculinity, and due to the lightly moderated nature of 4Chan they could discuss ecchi and hentai as well (porn). Eventually some giga-weaboo oldcels would come about and school all these young and impressionable 4Chan users on Japan's different target audience terms, and once they learned that their favourite anime genre of Cute Girls Doing Cute Things was apparently intended for adult young men, they allowed themselves to become dependent on it.

Whether it was due to crass jokes between users of how one could get the waifu of their dreams by "becoming" the waifu, people who were already troons and gays finding their way in, or increasingly degenerate nip ideas being tolerated and even celebrated (like outright troon characters, such as Bridget from Guilty Gear, Felix Argyle from Re: Zero and of course Astolfo from Fate/Apocrypha), the adjacent possible of becoming a troon had been established as a legitimate option for the incel-adjacent men there. Even though they might have spoken about stuff which could have landed them in places like this occasionally, their well was born poisoned and it continued to be poisoned over time.

The only ex-4Chan users here who hold proper blackpill beliefs either come from /pol/, or non-weeb or non-weeb-infested boards (whenever those might have existed). That's not to say that there aren't ex-4Chan weebs here, there are, and they effectively have their own subforum as well (The Sewers), where they talk about whatever they talk about. These are generally younger and newer users though, because the 4Chan users who could have been OGs on this site generally became troons instead, like I explained before.
 
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Title. As alot of you have observed, there has been a recent boom in new recruits since May 2026(I am one of them). I would like to understand the causes of this boom and how people before the 2023 tiktok hit, used to find this site.

For me, I learnt of the blackpill around 2021 after reading someone say "Andrew tate isn't an incel, incels are blackpillers". I learnt a rudimentary meaning of the blackpill then but I didn't know of the forums. Used to think these would be hidden sites with invites they show on Anime or Movies etc.

Then in 2025 a linguistic youtuber, Etymology nerd made a video about incel lingo in pop culture and how he went to the "deepest,darkest" parts of the internet. These so called parts someone in the comments mentioned eas just org. I asked someone what is that, isn't that just domain ending. He told me about the Looksmax forum, I went there and a post there was about is and from there I came here. I lurked for half an year and then finally took the pill and made an account.

Honestly tho, I was surprised. I used to think this place must be bubbling with people considering how people talk about incels in the internet. But there are barely two hundred guys online on average and alot of them are from the spring boom.
From a YouTube about blackpill.
 
From a documentary about incels, which then led me to the Wiki, which then led me to here.
 
December 2024 made a twitter to rant freely as some ppl I couldn't be edgy around followed my previous twitter. I join the Incel talk twitter community. It's full of fags and trannies but I learn about .is there.
 
Some foid with a youtube channel called strange aeons made a video browsing the forum, I watched it back in 2019, the video is deleted now.
 
I don´t think there has been a boom. There were tons of 2024 and 2025cels back when I joined but now a lot have left. Many of the 2026cels will end up leaving after a few months
 
I knew about .is since 2021, (when it was still incels.co). At the time I was still in highschool but I would observe how nearly everyone would be in relationships except for me and the nerdy or obese kids (many of which told me they didn't want a gf apparently). I was extremely frustrated, I had been ignored and mocked by many foids and I wondered why it was so hard for me to get a gf. Eventually I discovered ITV's videos, I was fascinated with his videos about Asian males and learned about ER, who I sort of related to for being a child of WMAF like myself and his insecurities regarding it. It was sort of an answer but I still was deluded into thinking that I would still get a gf if I tried hard enough, I became a member of looksmax.org for a short while until I was pretty much laughed off the site after making the retarded desision to post my face. Fast forward until 2026, after dropping out of college in the Netherlands two years ago due to familial reasons and having returned to the US, I haven't had a real converation with someone who wasn't my parents since, I have no friends in the US, still a KHHV, and after lurking on here for a while I decided to make an account
 
Was curious about this "Hamza" youtuber and ended up watching his debate with Wheat Waffles, where he was completely destroyed. Went onto WW's channel and watched all the vids and loved how they perfectly described reality. I've had the materialist/deterministic view on sex ever since.
 
I search at Google someting about male loneliness and virginity and found this forum
 
nigga I've been in the manosphere since 2010

either way, reddit fags on braincels kept schizoposting about this site being a honeypot. after it got band I came here
 
I was just intrigued by the dog pill.
 
I knew about .is since 2021, (when it was still incels.co). At the time I was still in highschool but I would observe how nearly everyone would be in relationships except for me and the nerdy or obese kids (many of which told me they didn't want a gf apparently). I was extremely frustrated, I had been ignored and mocked by many foids and I wondered why it was so hard for me to get a gf. Eventually I discovered ITV's videos, I was fascinated with his videos about Asian males and learned about ER, who I sort of related to for being a child of WMAF like myself and his insecurities regarding it. It was sort of an answer but I still was deluded into thinking that I would still get a gf if I tried hard enough, I became a member of looksmax.org for a short while until I was pretty much laughed off the site after making the retarded desision to post my face. Fast forward until 2026, after dropping out of college in the Netherlands two years ago due to familial reasons and having returned to the US, I haven't had a real converation with someone who wasn't my parents since, I have no friends in the US, still a KHHV, and after lurking on here for a while I decided to make an account
Dang, that's sad. I thought they would be helpful over there. Sometimes I think to get an acc on there and get tips. But your experience tells me otherwise. Apart from that, the Not seeing someone that's not your parent thing is hella relatable man. Life stops even feeling anything. Like a blur at the side of the day everyday becomes. Don't remember the road, the trees and the metal barriers. It just passes and gets replaced.
 
Even though former PSL users don't want to admit it, the development of the intellectual side of the blackpill owes a lot to the few good redpill, MRA, MGTOW and anti-feminist spaces that once existed. Those ~redpill guys had a few forums, but it was mostly individuals with anonymous websites and blogs stretching back to the late 1990s dot-com bubble. Eventually all of that converged into the r/TheRedPill subreddit, which reached its peak in popularity around 2010 - 2012, before it tapered off completely around 2015. The original popularisation of ideas about what the true nature of women is, and hypergamy was pretty much entirely the work of these groups.

If you want to check out what those guys were talking about, check out The Masculine Principle online book (the 2nd version released in 2015, not the original one from 2012), the NO MA'AM blog and the archive of the r/TheRedPill sidebar (that subreddit changed significantly over the years). It is also important to note that these particular redpill groups were very influenced by various old books, like "The Manipulated Man" from 1971 and so on.

As for the PSL forum users, they invented thins like the PSL looks scale, as well as many of the terms we use today (like "sub5" and "LTN", for example). Likewise, they adopted the incel term to describe themselves. As for the "incel" term specificially it doesn't come from some foid unlike what MSM would have you believe, the term has a long history: https://incels.wiki/w/Incelosphere_timeline, and the particular "incel" abbreviation wasn't coined by that foid MSM touts up either, it comes from an anonymous user who interacted with her. Either way what these forum users contributed to the blackpill was largely the different kinds of experiences you will have depending on your looks. They also extended the discussion of things only being about relationships about women, to instead being about every facet of life, with ideas like genetic determinism.

When it comes to people like Andrew Tate, it's true that most users here don't come from his brand of second-wave PUA/redpill-grifting garbage, fans of his landed in places like Looksmax.org instead. I think a few might have found this place from semi-grifter second-wave redpillers, like the GamerGate guys who graduated to the Far Right and took that as far as they could, or potentially a few who got some of their information from people like Roosh V, Sam Hyde and hoe_math (basically people who repackaged old redpill or PUA ideas for zillenial and zoomer audiences).

The thing to remember about 4Chan is that it was originally founded as an anime forum. Due to this, and its anonymous and lightly moderated nature a particular type of anime fan would himself there. The type of lonely young zillenial and late millenial guys, who got bullied off sites like GameFAQs and Something Awful for not being tough enough, and for liking anime and anime/manga-artstyle games, and especially for feeling romantic and sexual affection towards anime girls.

On 4Chan they could all of a sudden freely engage in their favourite topic, without being criticised by a bunch of Gen X users obsessed with masculinity, and due to the lightly moderated nature of 4Chan they could discuss ecchi and hentai as well (porn). Eventually some giga-weaboo oldcels would come about and school all these young and impressionable 4Chan users on Japan's different target audience terms, and once they learned that their favourite anime genre of Cute Girls Doing Cute Things was apparently intended for adult young men, they allowed themselves to become dependent on it.

Whether it was due to crass jokes between users of how one could get the waifu of their dreams by "becoming" the waifu, people who were already troons and gays finding their way in, or increasingly degenerate nip ideas being tolerated and even celebrated (like outright troon characters, such as Bridget from Guilty Gear, Felix Argyle from Re: Zero and of course Astolfo from Fate/Apocrypha), the adjacent possible of becoming a troon had been established as a legitimate option for the incel-adjacent men there. Even though they might have spoken about stuff which could have landed them in places like this occasionally, their well was born poisoned and it continued to be poisoned over time.

The only ex-4Chan users here who hold proper blackpill beliefs either come from /pol/, or non-weeb or non-weeb-infested boards (whenever those might have existed). That's not to say that there aren't ex-4Chan weebs here, there are, and they effectively have their own subforum as well (The Sewers), where they talk about whatever they talk about. These are generally younger and newer users though, because the 4Chan users who could have been OGs on this site generally became troons instead, like I explained before.
A treasure trove of information. Appreciate it. Always thought the incel becomes troon is just a lw meme of us but it's just 4chan. And yeah, that astolfo thing probably boomed in recent years to the full scale normalization of femboys and troons.
 

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