What Framecel222 was trying to get across

[CopingGymcel]

This is basically what he is trying to say: Most of the members on this forum aren't truecels and fall in the 4/10 range (that could just mean that we're infected by volcels or he could simply be wrong, but take it as you like). He clearly stated that some are in fact truecels, about 10% he said. Now, that means he is saying that 10% of this forum couldn't get laid no matter what, which means he is not denying that lookism exists. 

He is simply stating that 4/10 is not ugly enough on its own to merit someone being an incel and that most 4/10s live normal lives and have relationships and that if someone is 4/10 and incel, that person lacks the NT part, which is very important (it's stupid to deny this).

For people who didn't understand what he was trying to get across, this is basically it. 

It's very stupid to deny behavior and only focus on F A C E, as both are very important in most cases.

 

[TheRealChincel]

After how long? Many 4/10 guys rot on the bench for a long time until a girl picks them up to play with. BRB sitting on my hands, good chance of being cucked by a girl I’m not really into, she discards me and I’m lighter in the wallet. Wait again for indeterminate amount of time then one day I’m too old and never had a real relationship.

 

[Deleted member 60]

it's over if you are sub-5 in western society. Betabux is the only thing you can aspire to. Your girl will never love you. Enjoy your dead bedroom, getting cucked, divorce raped, etc. This is the reality in 2018.

 

[CopingGymcel]

After how long? Many 4/10 guys rot on the bench for a long time until a girl picks them up to play with. BRB sitting on my hands, good chance of being cucked by a girl I’m not really into, she discards me and I’m lighter in the wallet. Wait again for indeterminate amount of time then one day I’m too old and never had a real relationship.

You have to be social. Most below average guys meet their SO through their social circle. You have to be proactive and have friends. If you don't (non-NT), then you're pretty fucked.

 

[Sub8Hate]

Most people get their match.

No matter what, though, a 4 is going to have trouble. It's not impossible, but it is difficult.

 

[KyloRen]

It's very stupid to deny behavior and only focus on F A C E, as both are very important in most cases.

He basically proves it. The guy is not ugly.

 

[Sub8Hate]

PERSONALITY

 

[Akarin]

no, framecel just tries to justify his attention whoring with his face and every single time seeks for validation and people to tell him that he is attractive

 

[CopingGymcel]

no, framecel just tries to justify his attention whoring with his face and every single time seeks for validation and people to tell him that he is attractive

I just think that his views have changed over time.

He has made validation threads (validation seeking is very normal for people who don't have a sex life), that much is true, but this latest thread doesn't strike me as that.

 

[TheRealChincel]

You have to be social. Most below average guys meet their SO through their social circle. You have to be proactive and have friends. If you don't (non-NT), then you're pretty fucked.

I am talking about guys being social. Plenty of 4-5/10s go out and never get the attention of girls. Admittedly, my area is one of the worst in the world but still. Enough guys I know have gone out to clubs (social, not night, obv) and bars only to get ignored in favor of Chads or the girls just weren’t interested at all. Why go for Joe Average or worse when Chad is on an app? Maybe it’s different in college towns or rural areas.

 

[MissingFaceDay]

Women see all men that sub 7+/10 as Subhumans.

 

[Deleted member]

there are a whopping 2 threads on the front page trashing looks theory and talking about how personality theory is the end-all. is this r/inceltears i'm browsing? why are these worthless shitposters still allowed in here, i wonder? is this a place for incels to relate to each other and talk about the blackpill, or debate with low IQ people from TRP and PSL?

 

[Solitarian_Walker]

Women see all men that sub 7+/10 as Subhumans.

This is the most retarded lookism cope.

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there are a whopping 2 threads on the front page trashing looks theory and talking about how personality theory is the end-all. is this r/inceltears i'm browsing? why are these worthless shitposters still allowed in here, i wonder?

Looks theory doesn't concern you. Didn't an IncelQueers member call you cute or something? Fuck off you hypocrite twink.

 

[Deleted member 2119]

there are a whopping 2 threads on the front page trashing looks theory and talking about how personality theory is the end-all. is this r/inceltears i'm browsing? why are these worthless shitposters still allowed in here, i wonder? is this a place for incels to relate to each other and talk about the blackpill, or debate with low IQ people from TRP and PSL?

I think their point was just "Normie looking "fakecels" gtfo and stop crying"

I don't know If I can agree with that. Changing ones personality doesn't work that easily

 

[CopingGymcel]

I am talking about guys being social. Plenty of 4-5/10s go out and never get the attention of girls. Admittedly, my area is one of the worst in the world but still. Enough guys I know have gone out to clubs (social, not night, obv) and bars only to get ignored in favor of Chads or the girls just weren’t interested at all. Why go for Joe Average or worse when Chad is on an app? Maybe it’s different in college towns or rural areas.

1. Chad is extremely rare and most girls haven't gotten to fuck Chad, hence why they go crazy over him in social experiments (it's like dangling a Victoria Secret model in front of a guy, you get my point).

2. Most girls aren't very logical. They don't necessarily think "why would I be with this guy when I could have a Chadlite by opening this app", they live in the moment and make decisions based on what's currently happening (this is also why some of them end up cheating). If you're their best option at that exact moment and they are down to fuck (and don't find you repulsive), you will get laid. 

3. As stated, 4/10s won't do extremely well with women. They have to go through a lot of rejections (most guys do), but eventually a woman will find them attractive enough, at least for that night. That's just how life is. It sucks, but that's what most people put up with. It's either that or no sex and most people prefer sex.

4. Location is important. If you live in a place with lots of good looking guys, then your best bet is to move, it's that simple.

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there are a whopping 2 threads on the front page trashing looks theory and talking about how personality theory is the end-all. is this r/inceltears i'm browsing? why are these worthless shitposters still allowed in here, i wonder? is this a place for incels to relate to each other and talk about the blackpill, or debate with low IQ people from TRP and PSL?

How is this thread trashing lookism? I've already stated that looks are important and if you're good looking, you will get very far based on your appearance. All I am saying is that most 4/10 guys get laid and that's a fact.

 

[Deleted member 2119]

This is the most retarded lookism cope.

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Looks theory doesn't concern you. Didn't an IncelQueers member call you cute or something? Fuck off you hypocrite twink.

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Yup he shouldn't be allowed to complain about his looks.

 

[Akarin]

I just think that his views have changed over time.

He has made validation threads (validation seeking is very normal for people who don't have a sex life), that much is true, but this latest thread doesn't strike me as that.

It does. He sees this from his standpoint, he knows that he is nowhere close to ugly and thinks that looks is not our problem. It is hurtful to really ugly guys here.

 

[Deleted member 60]

3. As stated, 4/10s won't do extremely well with women. They have to go through a lot of rejections (most guys do), but eventually a woman will find them attractive enough, at least for that night. That's just how life is. It sucks, but that's what most people put up with. It's either that or no sex and most people prefer sex.

this is pure cope. Typical mindset of pickup autists.

 

[Grotesque]

This is the most retarded lookism cope.

Until you do Tinder experiments and your brain explodes.

 

[Deleted member]

how is this thread trashing lookism?

you claim that even a 3/10 can get laid and even partake in one night stands, provided his personality and “game” are strong enough. this is literally what everyone in inceltears claims because they don’t believe in looks theory and dismiss the importance of appearance completely. hypergamy is a thing, and there’s no way in HELL a female would ever have to settle for a three out of ten with their horribly high SMV.

 

[CopingGymcel]

It does. He sees this from his standpoint, he knows that he is nowhere close to ugly and thinks that looks is not our problem. It is hurtful to really ugly guys here.

But he said that there are truecels here (about 10% he said). I don't think his thread was made to address truecels and tell them that all they needed was "personality and game."

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this is pure cope. Typical mindset of pickup autists.

So you're saying that most 5/10 guys do well with women? I think they do fine, but they get rejected a bunch unless they're only waiting for those perfect moments where it's 100% chance that the girl is attracted (she has made it super obvious).

 

[SeifEsteem]

statiscally most most men will get laid or find partners by approaching women

it will work lol

call it cope or whatever but all societies forced monogamy for a reason, most people (including women) aren't gonna be a side bitch so they will settle eventually

u should be glad u arent other social animals where they actually get killed and their females are actually okay with harems lul

 

[CopingGymcel]

you claim that even a 3/10 can get laid and even partake in one night stands, provided his personality and “game” are strong enough. this is literally what everyone in inceltears claims because they don’t believe in looks theory and dismiss the importance of appearance completely. hypergamy is a thing, and there’s no way in HELL a female would ever have to settle for a three out of ten with their horribly high SMV.

I never said; he never said that. Stop putting words in my mouth. 

I do believe a 3/10 COULD get a relationship, but it would be very hard for him. @FaceandLMS who is a 3/10 was in a relationship once and now he is struggling, so it's possible. Anyway, there is a huge difference between a 3 and a 4 and Framecel stated that most guys on here fall into the 4/10 category (if that is true, I do not know, but let's just assume he is right).

 

[whogivesafucc]

there are a whopping 2 threads on the front page trashing looks theory and talking about how personality theory is the end-all. is this r/inceltears i'm browsing? why are these worthless shitposters still allowed in here, i wonder?

Looks theory doesn't concern you. Didn't an IncelQueers member call you cute or something? Fuck off you hypocrite twink.

He's fucking delusional.

Only his height is holding him back (if he's actually 5"2 it's fucking over but still), and he calls himself a "truecel" just fucking lol

 

[TheRealChincel]

1. If it's not Chad, then it's Chad-lite. There are 6-7s who she can get access to. Incel or normie never gets a VS model whereas the ugly girl can get an above average guy for a ONS.

2. The girl has Chads or Chad-lites to hit up, her hormones have her thinking about him and hooked. No appeal to the logical mind is needed.

3. The 4/10 guy is fighting an uphill battle that gets tougher by the year. He's effectively incel most of the time or paying for the girl.

4. Relocation is no guarantee of escape and dating apps bring the girls to Chads or Chad-lites.

 

[Deleted member 2119]

He's fucking delusional.

Only his height is holding him back (if he's actually 5"2 it's fucking over but still), and he calls himself a "truecel" just fucking lol

5'2 is a death sentence but it's certainly mot his face

 

[Grotesque]

After how long? Many 4/10 guys rot on the bench for a long time until a girl picks them up to play with. BRB sitting on my hands, good chance of being cucked by a girl I’m not really into, she discards me and I’m lighter in the wallet. Wait again for indeterminate amount of time then one day I’m too old and never had a real relationship.

 

[VLÖ]

statiscally most most men will get laid or find partners by approaching women

it will work lol

call it cope or whatever but all societies forced monogamy for a reason, most people (including women) aren't gonna be a side bitch so they will settle eventually  

u should be glad u arent other social animals where they actually get killed and their females are actually okay with harems lul

Hold the phone, so you're saying bitches are monogamous, but you state that societies had to force it? Why force it if women supposedly are monogamous by nature (which is what you're saying).

Or maybe you're full of shit, who knows.

 

[CopingGymcel]

1. If it's not Chad, then it's Chad-lite. There are 6-7s who she can get access to. Incel or normie never gets a VS model whereas the ugly girl can get an above average guy for a ONS.

2. The girl has Chads or Chad-lites to hit up, her hormones have her thinking about him and hooked. No appeal to the logical mind is needed.

3. The 4/10 guy is fighting an uphill battle that gets tougher by the year. He's effectively incel most of the time or paying for the girl.

4. Relocation is no guarantee of escape and dating apps bring the girls to Chads or Chad-lites.

Not every 4/10 girl gets Chadlites every time they go out, I hope you do understand that. Think about how many 4/10 girls there are (A LOT) and then how many Chadlites there are not (not many), and then think about the quality of girls Chadlites have to pick from before going for the 4/10.

I hope you can see how all of this doesn't add up to Chadlites taking all 4/10s out there.

 

[SeifEsteem]

1. If it's not Chad, then it's Chad-lite. There are 6-7s who she can get access to. Incel or normie never gets a VS model whereas the ugly girl can get an above average guy for a ONS.
2. The girl has Chads or Chad-lites to hit up, her hormones have her thinking about him and hooked. No appeal to the logical mind is needed.
3. The 4/10 guy is fighting an uphill battle that gets tougher by the year. He's effectively incel most of the time or paying for the girl.
4. Relocation is no guarantee of escape and dating apps bring the girls to Chads or Chad-lites.

3 is a mootpoint because women lose value due to aging so it gets easier for the 4/10 as women will be forced down the looks ladder which has plenty of 4/10s

 

[CopingGymcel]

Hold the phone, so you're saying bitches are monogamous, but you state that societies had to force it? Why force it if women supposedly are monogamous by nature (which is what you're saying).

Or maybe you're full of shit, who knows.

Females don't know what they want, hence why a lot of people think they need to be controlled for their own happiness. I think that most females are happier in monogamous relationships rather than sleeping around.

 

[VLÖ]

Not every 4/10 girl gets Chadlites every time they go out, I hope you do understand that. Think about how many 4/10 girls there are (A LOT) and then how many Chadlites there are not (not many), and then think about the quality of girls Chadlites have to pick from before going for the 4/10.

I hope you can see how all of this doesn't add up to Chadlites taking all 4/10s out there.

Ehh, I could see it happen. If they're swinging from cock to cock then obviously there's enough Chadlites. They can just share the pool of Chadlites. For LTR it might start to dry out, but how the fuck will you know if she wants a LTR? You could ask her, then she shames you and laughs and tells all her friends how that creep approached her and how you should stay away from him.

And what I said definitely happens, you cannot ignore that. Womyn WILL tell their other womyn friends about creeps and WILL discourage them from dating them. So even if a girl did like you, she'd never say it because it will massively hinder her SMV and popularity (which ALL womyn crave). So that leaves you with basically a game of minesweeper, you have one shot to find the one who likes you. Find the mine, aaaand you'll be a social pariah forever (at least in that area and to her list of contacts).

 

[SeifEsteem]

statiscally most most men will get laid or find partners by approaching women
it will work lol
call it cope or whatever but all societies forced monogamy for a reason, most people (including women) aren't gonna be a side bitch so they will settle eventually
u should be glad u arent other social animals where they actually get killed and their females are actually okay with harems lul

Hold the phone, so you're saying bitches are monogamous, but you state that societies had to force it? Why force it if women supposedly are monogamous by nature (which is what you're saying).
Or maybe you're full of shit, who knows.

bitches are monogamous because society forced that view on them and they will follow what society tells them obviously

why do u think bitches cut for attention instead of shooting themselves with shotguns, cus the media (i.e: society) tells em to and they end up glorifying it for the lulz

nature includes the sexual preferences and mating selections of a social animal group

 

[TheRealChincel]

Not every 4/10 girl gets Chadlites every time they go out, I hope you do understand that. Think about how many 4/10 girls there are (A LOT) and then how many Chadlites there are not (not many), and then think about the quality of girls Chadlites have to pick from before going for the 4/10.

I hope you can see how all of this doesn't add up to Chadlites taking all 4/10s out there.

No but the girls increasingly have eyes only for Chad-lites. They'll settle for an average guy at times but when will a 4/10 be her best option? I'm not denying that it ever is but seems pretty uncommon. If she doesn't like what she sees, there's the app while the 4/10 is forced to fap.

 

[VLÖ]

bitches are monogamous because society forced that view on them and they will follow what society tells them obviously

nature includes the sexual preferences and mating selections of a social animal group

Uh... bad news buddy, society hasn't been monogamous for a loooooong time now.

 

[CopingGymcel]

Ehh, I could see it happen. If they're swinging from cock to cock then obviously there's enough Chadlites. They can just share the pool of Chadlites. For LTR it might start to dry out, but how the fuck will you know if she wants a LTR? You could ask her, then she shames you and laughs and tells all her friends how that creep approached her and how you should stay away from him.

And what I said definitely happens, you cannot ignore that. Womyn WILL tell their other womyn friends about creeps and WILL discourage them from dating them. So even if a girl did like you, she'd never say it because it will massively hinder her SMV and popularity (which ALL womyn crave). So that leaves you with basically a game of minesweeper, you have one shot to find the one who likes you. Find the mine, aaaand you'll be a social pariah forever (at least in that area and to her list of contacts).

Even if Chadlites fuck around (not all do) and most of them are willing to fuck a 4/10 (not all are), then there still aren't going to be enough Chadlites in one night to go around. Even if a 4/10 has fucked a Chadlite, that won't be most of the guys she has fucked (it will be smaller percentage).

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No but the girls increasingly have eyes only for Chad-lites. They'll settle for an average guy at times but when will a 4/10 be her best option? I'm not denying that it ever is but seems pretty uncommon. If she doesn't like what she sees, there's the app while the 4/10 is forced to fap.

How do you know that they only have eyes for Chadlites? Are you an experienced night life enthusiast? Do you go out to a lot of bars and clubs and observe? Or do you just sit in your basement all day theorizing?

 

[SeifEsteem]

bitches are monogamous because society forced that view on them and they will follow what society tells them obviously
nature includes the sexual preferences and mating selections of a social animal group

Uh... bad news buddy, society hasn't been monogamous for a loooooong time now.

most people aren't poly for long term relationships, there's more to life than driving to chad's house and fucking him for 3 years whenever he text "come here bby"

 

[Deleted member 60]

But he said that there are truecels here (about 10% he said). I don't think his thread was made to address truecels and tell them that all they needed was "personality and game."

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So you're saying that most 5/10 guys do well with women? I think they do fine, but they get rejected a bunch unless they're only waiting for those perfect moments where it's 100% chance that the girl is attracted (she has made it super obvious).

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I wouldn't say they do well with women. They just don't experience as much rejection as TRP would have you believe.

 

[VLÖ]

Even if Chadlites fuck around (not all do) and most of them are willing to fuck a 4/10 (not all are), then there still aren't going to be enough Chadlites in one night to go around. Even if a 4/10 has fucked a Chadlite, that won't be most of the guys she has fucked (it will be smaller percentage).

Most guys I know fuck around, it's basically a symbol of their status. I mean what Chadlite would turn it down? Come on man, the days of religious and traditional families are over. Fucking around means you're popular, you're desired. Most Chadlites will definitely fuck around in their youth, why would they not? And yeah, even with 4/10s because even they gotta start somewhere.

I don't understand why people think male standards are as high as womyns standards. Just because guys will say "man, I wish I could fuck <insert GL femoid here>" or something doesn't mean they won't fuck 4/10s. Why would they not? A holes a hole, it doesn't matter. And especially for one night and you've taken something to drink, why the hell not? They don't think "aww man, I might ruin this for <incel>, if they can fuck they WILL fuck. It'd be stupid of them not to.

 

[TheRealChincel]

3 is a mootpoint because women lose value due to aging so it gets easier for the 4/10 as women will be forced down the looks ladder which has plenty of 4/10s

I meant that 5 years ago, it was considerably easier for a 21 year old 4/10 guy than it is today. From the looks of it, it only seems to be getting tougher. The woman, as she ages, will either opt out due to not liking her options and not needing financial support or going for betabux. It isn't that the 4/10 found a girl, she found a sucker.

 

[Deleted member 60]

most people aren't poly for long term relationships, there's more to life than driving to chad's house and fucking him for 3 years whenever he text "come here bby"

things are changing fast. Left-wing propaganda is powerful.

 

[SeifEsteem]

most people aren't poly for long term relationships, there's more to life than driving to chad's house and fucking him for 3 years whenever he text "come here bby"

things are changing fast. Left-wing propaganda is powerful.

blame it more on access to social media tbh, i cant rly deny the changing dynamics of society's sexual preferences

i still think women would still settle rather than being alone, maybe harems r coming back but im not betting on it til i see hollywood to start promoting it (women are the targgeted audience which means they like monogamy)

 

[CopingGymcel]

Most guys I know fuck around, it's basically a symbol of their status. I mean what Chadlite would turn it down? Come on man, the days of religious and traditional families are over. Fucking around means you're popular, you're desired. Most Chadlites will definitely fuck around in their youth, why would they not? And yeah, even with 4/10s because even they gotta start somewhere.

I don't understand why people think male standards are as high as womyns standards. Just because guys will say "man, I wish I could fuck <insert GL femoid here>" or something doesn't mean they won't fuck 4/10s. Why would they not? A holes a hole, it doesn't matter. And especially for one night and you've taken something to drink, why the hell not? They don't think "aww man, I might ruin this for <incel>, if they can fuck they WILL fuck. It'd be stupid of them not to.

Not everyone thinks "a hole is a hole." People are different. Some Chadlites sleep around, some want a relationship with their looksmatch.

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I wouldn't say they do well with women. They just don't experience as much rejection as TRP would have you believe.

It all depends on how many women they want to fuck. If a 5/10 wants to fuck around, he has to be rejected most of the time.

 

[TheRealChincel]

Even if Chadlites fuck around (not all do) and most of them are willing to fuck a 4/10 (not all are), then there still aren't going to be enough Chadlites in one night to go around. Even if a 4/10 has fucked a Chadlite, that won't be most of the guys she has fucked (it will be smaller percentage).

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How do you know that they only have eyes for Chadlites? Are you an experiences night life enthusiast? Do you go out to a lot of bars and clubs and observe? Or do you just sit in your basement all day theorizing?

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I've been in plenty of bars and seen it, been in social clubs and seen it. Pretty tough for me to see the 4/10 as the best option.

 

[VLÖ]

Not everyone thinks "a hole is a hole." People are different. Some Chadlites sleep around, some want a relationship with their looksmatch.

20+ yeah, but young guys? Forget about it. I don't know a single GL 17 year old guy who would refrain from sex and wait for a relationship. And those 20+ guys have already probably fucked around in the past anyway, so they already did their damage.

And let's not forget that femoids are (SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN) always still attracted to their first (or best looking) ex, so you will NEVER satisfy her. And that relationship might turn sour pretty quick if the ex will try to restart contact with her.

 

[CopingGymcel]

I've been in plenty of bars and seen it, been in social clubs and seen it. Pretty tough for me to see the 4/10 as the best option.

I'm far from a Chad and I'm socially retarded. But when I took MDMA, I had a girl approach me and one started grinding on me. It would never have happened if I had been sober and behaving like I normally would. Again, I'm no fakecel, which proves that behavior matters. Before the MDMA, no girls were talking to me.

 

[Deleted member]

blame it more on access to social media tbh, i cant rly deny the changing dynamics of society's sexual preferences

i still think women would still settle rather than being alone, maybe harems r coming back but im not betting on it til i see hollywood to start promoting it (women are the targgeted audience which means they like monogamy)

harems already exist. that’s what all that FWB stuff is about.

 

[Kointo1]

He said many other things that were heretical to blackpill ideology.

 

[SeifEsteem]

blame it more on access to social media tbh, i cant rly deny the changing dynamics of society's sexual preferences
i still think women would still settle rather than being alone, maybe harems r coming back but im not betting on it til i see hollywood to start promoting it (women are the targgeted audience which means they like monogamy)

harems already exist. that’s what all that FWB stuff is about.

that's not for long term relationships, those women will eventually age and lose their "partner"

 

[ghostcell]

the fact there are fakecels here proves how retarded girls standards are