Serious What do you think of Loveshy men, Forever-Alone men and True Forced Lonely men?

[FACEandLMS]

This is supposedly an incel forum, but it has all kinds of men here including volcels and fakecels.

Also, the overwhelming majority of the sub25 year olds believe inceldom is just another word for virgin. The same group doesn't believe in shades of meaning, e.g. Many young guys here would call the 2nd guy the "real" incel:

1) 55 year old man, 2/10 face, got laid twice, once at 30 with a 300 lbs black 60 year old with herpes who then filed a false rape accusation against him, and again at 38, with a heroin addict who intended to betabux him but decided against it cuz his face was too hideous to stomach longterm, so she dumped him. Both of these lays were before 1999, before smartphones, before Tinder. The man had approached 300 women and this was the result. He has friends and a job.

2) a 16 yo who has done 0 approaches but is a virgin. He says he doesn't need to approach to know it's over for him. He never leaves the house. He has 0 friends.He LDARs.

The young guys here would say 2) is the incel here. Some here would say that 1 can't be incel -- forgetting the sex -- strictly due to him having friends. "If ugly Bill Gates-tier men are your friends, then you aren't involuntarily celibate! Reeee!". Some will say that him having a job automatically makes him a normie, regardless of the sex.

So many here have their own view subjective view of what being "CELIBATE" "INVOLUNTARILY" means.

A) But what do you think about Loveshy men (ironically most guys here fit this more than they do "incel")? Does their crippling anxiety in the presence of women actually make them volcel? Why are they not welcome here? Do Loveshies need to be khhv too? Does a fluke (e.g. a fat 40 yo single muml doing all the work) preclude them from being Loveshy?

B) How about Forever-Alones? What is the difference between Forever-Alone and incel? Do they both need to be KHHV? Are they welcome here?

C) How about TFLers? What makes you think that TFLers have to be virgins? Does guy 1 above fit the TFL label? Are they welcome here?

D) Does having 1 more lay and being 20, 30, 40 years older than a young incel make you a failed normie? So is it like this:
- 0 lays = INCEL at 19 years old
- 1 lay = FAILED NORMIE at 70 years old
- 35 lays+ = SLAYER at 30 years old

E) Don't these benchmarks have a lot of space between them?

inb4 VLO

 

[Simp]

Everyone who isn't a kissless virgin should be banned.

 

[Pasteleiro]

I agree with your logic but there's a problem about it:
There are men with a similar age than yours who are KV. You had validation once. They didn't. I can understand why oldcels will get mad at you for trying to imply that you are in the same situation.

 

[tentacla]

As I said multiple times, celibacy means refusal of marital commitment. So someone who's an involuntary celibate is a man who refuses to commit to a relationship for reasons outside of his control. It's just that simple.
20 and sees no point in trying because the deck is stacked against him = incel. He would look for and commit if the deck was in his favour, and he can't stack it, so nothing voluntary about the decision.
30 and lost his partner, unwilling to look for another = incel. He would continue to commit, but his partner is no more, so nothing to commit to.

Basically, it has nothing to do with the number of lays. Absolutely nothing.

 

[whogivesafucc]

Everyone who isn't a kissless virgin should be banned.

 

[mentalcel]

It should just be that if you cannot get sex when you want it, considering you are typical person with normal personality and a job and friends and life, then you are incel. There is no point excluding the guy you mentioned in number 1. I also don't believe in numbers game. Not playing the numbers game does not make you volcel. Continous approach does not guarantee that you will get sex one day. As it was seen in some studies in blackpill section women preference and what they want or don't want is so clear. A submissive, ugly zeta male will not have any chance no matter how many time he approaches. So even though loveshyness is being volcel for normie it is not for the real bottom of the sexual market.

 

[Givingup20]

the users here under 18 are just fucking dumb

 

[tentacla]

What age did you lose your virginity OP?

I don't think it's right to bait people to brag.

 

[Evildoer]

2) a 16 yo who has done 0 approaches but is a virgin. He says he doesn't need to approach to know it's over for him. He never leaves the house. He has 0 friends.He LDARs.

Basically me, but i'm 21 and did approaches, also i quit home for the gym.

 

[Evildoer]

Everyone who isn't a kissless virgin should be banned.

Even escortcels?

 

[FACEandLMS]

I’m not trying to bait him, it was genuine curiosity seen as I’m 19 and he is insinuating that it’s too young to be incel at this age.

Again, it's more about shades of meaning. I would accept a 19 yo BO2cel as an incel, whereas you, you look straight out of One Direction.

 

[Evildoer]

this is gonna be you 20 years down the line

RIP
it's over

So many beautiful life perspectives! What a wonderful life! Even got laid two times! /s

Never began to be over.

 

[FACEandLMS]

>1) 55 year old man, 2/10 face, got laid twice, once at 30 with a 300 lbs black 60 year old with herpes who then filed a false rape accusation against him, and again at 38, with a heroin addict who intended to betabux him but decided against it cuz his face was too hideous to stomach longterm, so she dumped him. Both of these lays were before 1999, before smartphones, before Tinder. The man had approached 300 women and this was the result. He has friends and a job.

this is gonna be you 20 years down the line

RIP
it's over

It's loosely based on me and on some other oldcel posters here lol. Of course not directly.

 

[mentalcel]

Even escortcels?

Of course not. Fucking a 18 year old hot poor ex Soviet Union whore which is about to puke while getting banged by you, which requests turning off lights, turning on TV to get distracted, asking double charge than her normal price, or just directly rejecting serving you does not make you banned. That would be stupid.

 

[Deleted member 4760]

Everyone who isn't a kissless virgin should be banned.

DO escorts count?


Edit: I had sex with hooker and lost the V at 24 year old after numerous attempts at getting dates (and yes I went for my looksmatch and under)..

 

[iridium410]

I'm 19 but my anxiety toward being in the same space as another human puts my limit at about an hour before I get super depressed. When it comes to girls if they come with in a 10ft radius I become hyperself concious, can't concentrate, and start remembering how ugly I am. In my eye approaching a girl would be close to death in terms of stress and making a flirtacious comment would never be able to leave my thoughts let alone a normal a sentence of significant length. I would argue that extreme levels of anxiety can cause one to be the shittiest for of incel.

 

[danecel1990]

Everyone who isn't a kissless virgin should be banned.

This.

 

[RREEEEEEEEE]

Actual incels are ugly people. I'm 2/10 therefore an incel, but since there's a lot of fakecels and volcels in this forum, I use the term truecel.

Everyone who isn't a kissless virgin should be banned.

This.

 

[FiveFourManlet]

Manlets will never ascend

 

[fred_herbert]

Maybe we should redefine incel as a person who is unable to get sex with someone he is attracted to. I believe almost anyone can get sex if they had 0 standards and put in a lot of effort, the issue is that nobody wants that. Most people would rather be incel than to have to resort to dating 1/10's.

 

[FACEandLMS]

Maybe we should redefine incel as a person who is unable to get sex with someone he is attracted to. I believe almost anyone can get sex if they had 0 standards and put in a lot of effort, the issue is that nobody wants that. Most people would rather be incel than to have to resort to dating 1/10's.

But there are guys here who demand a 7+ gf.

I have heard inceldom described as not being able to get your looksmatch. I would extend that to: not being able to get a few points below your looksmatch over an extended period of time, e.g. 5, 10, 20 years of mass-approaching.

 

[Kirito3]

This is supposedly an incel forum, but it has all kinds of men here including volcels and fakecels.

Also, the overwhelming majority of the sub25 year olds believe inceldom is just another word for virgin. The same group doesn't believe in shades of meaning, e.g. Many young guys here would call the 2nd guy the "real" incel:

1) 55 year old man, 2/10 face, got laid twice, once at 30 with a 300 lbs black 60 year old with herpes who then filed a false rape accusation against him, and again at 38, with a heroin addict who intended to betabux him but decided against it cuz his face was too hideous to stomach longterm, so she dumped him. Both of these lays were before 1999, before smartphones, before Tinder. The man had approached 300 women and this was the result. He has friends and a job.

2) a 16 yo who has done 0 approaches but is a virgin. He says he doesn't need to approach to know it's over for him. He never leaves the house. He has 0 friends.He LDARs.

The young guys here would say 2) is the incel here. Some here would say that 1 can't be incel -- forgetting the sex -- strictly due to him having friends. "If ugly Bill Gates-tier men are your friends, then you aren't involuntarily celibate! Reeee!". Some will say that him having a job automatically makes him a normie, regardless of the sex.

So many here have their own view subjective view of what being "CELIBATE" "INVOLUNTARILY" means.

A) But what do you think about Loveshy men (ironically most guys here fit this more than they do "incel")? Does their crippling anxiety in the presence of women actually make them volcel? Why are they not welcome here? Do Loveshies need to be khhv too? Does a fluke (e.g. a fat 40 yo single muml doing all the work) preclude them from being Loveshy?

B) How about Forever-Alones? What is the difference between Forever-Alone and incel? Do they both need to be KHHV? Are they welcome here?

C) How about TFLers? What makes you think that TFLers have to be virgins? Does guy 1 above fit the TFL label? Are they welcome here?

D) Does having 1 more lay and being 20, 30, 40 years older than a young incel make you a failed normie? So is it like this:
- 0 lays = INCEL at 19 years old
- 1 lay = FAILED NORMIE at 70 years old
- 35 lays+ = SLAYER at 30 years old

E) Don't these benchmarks have a lot of space between them?

inb4 VLO

Can you go more in depth about forever alone and TFL? I do not use cuckit. Anyway in your example neither are involuntary celibate. The first isnt celibate. The second is not celibate involuntarily. Kind of simple, low iq thread.

Maybe we should redefine incel as a person who is unable to get sex with someone he is attracted to. I believe almost anyone can get sex if they had 0 standards and put in a lot of effort, the issue is that nobody wants that. Most people would rather be incel than to have to resort to dating 1/10's.

Honestly inceldom should be defined as someone who cannot acquire loving sex or relations no matter what. Yeah anyone can get a 1/10 sex once every 4 years by getting money or being a huge cuck but we are too subhuman to get a girl that gives us sex or relationship without using us for something else, whether it be money or virtue signaling or connections.

 

[FACEandLMS]

Kind of simple, low iq thread.

You can't call it a low iq thread if you don't know what the definition of celibate is.

Do you realize that if Brad Pitt decided not to get another gf, he is precisely the definition of celibate?

 

[Kirito3]

You can't call it a low iq thread if you don't know what the definition of celibate is.

Do you realize that if Brad Pitt decided not to get another gf, he is precisely the definition of celibate?

It’s been said thousands of times on here and 4chan. If you had loving sex and relationship before you can do it again. You are attractive enough to do it.
Stop posting these autistic contrarian borderline cucktears threads, and go run BBC thug game instead. The former won’t get you laid the latter gives you a good shot.
Either way get off the forum you normalslime piece of filth.

 

[FACEandLMS]

It’s been said thousands of times on here and 4chan. If you had loving sex and relationship before you can do it again. You are attractive enough to do it.
Stop posting these autistic contrarian borderline cucktears threads, and go run BBC thug game instead. The former won’t get you laid the latter gives you a good shot.
Either way get off the forum you normalslime piece of filth.

Just recreate the exact circumstance as a decade ago and regenerate bone, facial fat, hair, youth, bro.

 

[TheRealChincel]

I think guys who are grossly overweight due to sedentary lifestyle/eating and incel are volcel to a degree. They can call themselves whatever they want, if it holds them back and they can't change it, they're incel.

 

[KingOfRome]

I think guys who are grossly overweight due to sedentary lifestyle/eating and incel are volcel to a degree. They can call themselves whatever they want, if it holds them back and they can't change it, they're incel.

I'd say fatcel is a gray area. There's definitely a degree of mentalcel in there, and if a man cut down to a low bodyfat and still had no success, I wouldn't hold it against him if he went LDAR and gained it all back. Though, if the guy is morbidly obese and refuses to change his habits stating some entitled blue pill fat acceptance crap, that's when I'd call volcel.

 

[big nose bug eyes]

Everyone who isn't a kissless virgin should be banned.

The problem there is it limits the number of incels who can be here, and also turns this place into an even bigger circlejerk if everyone has had the exact same experiences with women, i.e. none.

 

[Indari]

too many questions in this poost

 

[Evidential]

my anxiety toward being in the same space as another human puts my limit at about an hour before I get super depressed. When it comes to girls if they come with in a 10ft radius I become hyperself concious, can't concentrate, and start remembering how ugly I am.

Maybe drugs could help people like us relax.

 

[Kirito3]

Just recreate the exact circumstance as a decade ago and regenerate bone, facial fat, hair, youth, bro.

>bone
Unless you are over 45 or have some sort of genetic issues this is irrelevant
>facial fat
Unironically go work out
>hair
Shave bald your a nigger nobody cares
>youth
There are plenty of older women too, you can run BBC and thug game on single mothers looking to relive their youth.

 

[FACEandLMS]

>bone
Unless you are over 45 or have some sort of genetic issues this is irrelevant
>facial fat
Unironically go work out
>hair
Shave bald your a nigger nobody cares
>youth
There are plenty of older women too, you can run BBC and thug game on single mothers looking to relive their youth.

I can't deal with kind of ignorance so I won't talk to you much more beyond this: I was ugly and struggled BEFORE let alone losing more looks.

You have given me a similar kind of "it's something you're doing wrong!!"-"You aren't trying hard enough!" rhetoric to what all ugly incels get from others. If you think I haven't tried everything, then you obviously don't know much about me. Just for the record, I go to the gym, had blepharoplasty (it got rid of eyebags so no one calls me tired anymore but I am still ugly) in the USA and am paying out of pocket for BSSO, genio, lefort1.

Ever booked a flight to see a mentally ill girl who said she liked you, only for her to cancel it?

To say I haven't tried is to know nothing about me.

 

[Kirito3]

I can't deal with kind of ignorance so I won't talk to you much more beyond this: I was ugly and struggled BEFORE let alone losing more looks.

You have given me a similar kind of "it's something you're doing wrong!!"-"You aren't trying hard enough!" rhetoric to what all ugly incels get from others. If you think I haven't tried everything, then you obviously don't know much about me. Just for the record, I go to the gym, had blepharoplasty (it got rid of eyebags so no one calls me tired anymore but I am still ugly) in the USA and am paying out of pocket for BSSO, genio, lefort1.

Ever booked a flight to see a mentally ill girl who said she liked you, only for her to cancel it?

To say I haven't tried is to know nothing about me.

I know you’re black and not a manlet.

 

[Haywire]

It’s been said thousands of times on here and 4chan. If you had loving sex and relationship before you can do it again. You are attractive enough to do it.
Stop posting these autistic contrarian borderline cucktears threads, and go run BBC thug game instead. The former won’t get you laid the latter gives you a good shot.
Either way get off the forum you normalslime piece of filth.

hes is mental and locationcel. just going by his looks if he moved say to southern usa states or a black ghetto area he could find some fat 3/10 but then his mental state would probably ruin that.

 

[FACEandLMS]

Don't take this the wrong way but why are you getting further surgeries when your main flaws (long midface and close set eyes) are virtually unfixable? Those things sadly will cap you at a 4/10.

I guess any gain in looks is beneficial on the long run but I don't see them raising you that much.

Sorry to be so pessimistic.

If you were as ugly as me, you would do any measly thing to get to the point where you at least don't have a REVERSE halo affect on people. Being normie/average/invisible is one thing, but being so ugly that people notice/react? You would do what I'm doing (surgery an advanced age).

I know you’re black and not a manlet.

HOORAY.
BE TALL AND BLACK. A few hundred years away from that (being tall and black) alone being enough to get you ENSLAVED, now it's UNIVERSALLY ATTRACTIVE.

The joke is, @Kirito3 himself comes across as hating blacks yet thinks that they don't encounter any people with HIS OWN VIEWS.


JFL.

 

[Anger]

If a person is unable to have sex/get a gf due to being ugly then he is an incel, no matter the age, race or personality, women cannot be incels tho

 

[VST]

Everyone who isn't a kissless virgin should be banned.

It goes against the blackpill itself.
The blackpill states that women are attracted to one type of guy, Chad/Chad-lite eventually normies, if you manage to get laid that means that there are most definitely other women that find you attractive which in turn means that you aren't an incel, you're a failed normie at least.

 

[Mainländer]

High IQ post.

First man is MUCH MORE incel than the second. Incomparably more.

Also, on topic: "Loveshy" 5+ men need to take some drugs/alcohol and approach. I can't say the fact some people here are wasting 5+ looks and youth because of mental conditions that can mostly be dealt with doesn't trigger me.

I would be more explicit on my vocabulary but I'm always wary of a ban so keep it at that.

 

[WarriorSkull]

But there are guys here who demand a 7+ gf.

I have heard inceldom described as not being able to get your looksmatch. I would extend that to: not being able to get a few points below your looksmatch over an extended period of time, e.g. 5, 10, 20 years of mass-approaching.

I think the whole concept of looksmatching misses the bigger picture. It is probably more accurate to say that we are unable to get validation from women. Some guys want to bang hot chicks, some guys want looksmatched girlfriends, some guys just want to have pleasant and friendly interactions when around women. The specifics of what any particular one of us wants are rather vaiable, but I see the unifying factor being that we our existences are invalidated by women and society at large.

 

[Unknown Status]

anyone who claims incel and could change if they wanted too, is fake. real incels are not able to help themselves get better or they wouldn't be incel.

 

[Heightframeface]

Anyone claiming that the second guy in your hypothetical scenario is incel, but saying that the first guy isn't is absolutely retarded.

 

[Fullofhate]

I think guys who are grossly overweight due to sedentary lifestyle/eating and incel are volcel to a degree. They can call themselves whatever they want, if it holds them back and they can't change it, they're incel.

If you looksmax and still nothing then yeah you're an incel.

Anyone claiming that the second guy in your hypothetical scenario is incel, but saying that the first guy isn't is absolutely retarded.

^

I don't understand how people under a certain age can post here and worry about this crap. Because some girl in they are crushing on in HS didn't give them the IOIs they desire?

When I was 16-20 I didn't worry about this crap.

It wasn't until my absolute ugly 2.5/10 sister got a sandnigger boyfriend and bragged about it that it pushed me over the edge.

Oh, and my 60 year old Dad picking up women and bragging to me about it.

Makes me fucking mad as hell.

 

[imbored21]

i think i want a fucking gf

 

[BlackPillUNC]

I'd say fatcel is a gray area. There's definitely a degree of mentalcel in there, and if a man cut down to a low bodyfat and still had no success, I wouldn't hold it against him if he went LDAR and gained it all back.

This happened to me. Though I am not obese just fat.

 

[Kirito3]

If you were as ugly as me, you would do any measly thing to get to the point where you at least don't have a REVERSE halo affect on people. Being normie/average/invisible is one thing, but being so ugly that people notice/react? You would do what I'm doing (surgery an advanced age).



HOORAY.
BE TALL AND BLACK. A few hundred years away from that (being tall and black) alone being enough to get you ENSLAVED, now it's UNIVERSALLY ATTRACTIVE.

The joke is, @Kirito3 himself comes across as hating blacks yet thinks that they don't encounter any people with HIS OWN VIEWS.


JFL.

Just because black people cant be incel doesnt mean I dont hate them. Yeah being black sucks in some ways, but being unable to get sex is not one of them if you are tall and NT. Same for white people, JBW for non manlets that can afford a plane ticket is true, dont hate em though.

 

[masterwizard]

Its kind of silly to argue someone isn't an incel because they haven't exhausted an absurd list of options that includes travelling to the other side of the globe to dredge the women of a 3rd world nation.

Yes technically that could work, but that doesn't deny someones struggles with inceldom. Its an unreasonable solution to a problem that the average or above man doesn't have.

 

[ArtoriasWolf]

the users here under 18 are just fucking dumb

Their loss

 

[Kong Rong]

Simple both are incel.

 

[iridium410]

Maybe drugs could help people like us relax.

I personally don't want my family to think I'm crazy. I have maintained face pretty well to this point, why give up now at least my family will be a kind of safe haven.