cvh1991
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I find I don't agree with him on certain things, but as far as what's present in the "mainstream" (not that JP is mainstream, but he's perhaps on the periphery), but I appreciate that he touches on some blackpill truths that women despise and that mainstream will not acknowledge.
I'm not really familiar with Joe Rogan myself, but I did see this clip where they talk about incels to some extent:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsMqSBB3ZTY
The primary points here I found interesting that JP was making are that:
1) Enforced monogamy keeps young male aggression in check -- when society has a large majority of men who can't get laid or find partners they get angry and destabilize society
2) The modern University landscape is extremely blackpilling -- JP talks about how even though women outnumber men so you'd "think" men would have an advantage in sexual opportunity, this is not how it plays out. Rather it plays out as we already know where a small minority of the men get all the sexual opportunity.
3) Hierarchies if they get too steep and if they get too unfair bare the risk of destabilizing the entire thing. It seems to me that this is more or less what's happening on both fronts in modern western society where A) the wealthy are taking more and more for themselves and are pushing people are far as they can and B) we're seeing worse sexual inequality today as more and more men are being "pushed out" as viable candidates, even average or perhaps above average men at that since online dating and university/school settings as well as a society that doesn't really enforce monogamy results in women going for the top men and sharing them.
He does harp on "muh self improvement" train which "can" be true, but is largely used to dismiss male issues that are valid. Notice nobody is ever telling women to "self improve" -- because they don't need to, only men are expected to self improve. Some self-improvement is reasonable I think, for example, if you're a fatcel and you've always been fat then who knows what you could achieve if you lost all the weight (I acknowledge that's not easy in fairness), but people take the self improvement schtick way too far and most people and pretty much all women blame men way beyond what's reasonable seems to me.
My other issue with the self improvement meme is, if every man self improves and maxes out their value aren't standards just going to continue to get higher and higher? For example, if everyone going to Uni suddenly got engineering/comp sci degrees the result is a harsh devaluing of those jobs, that sort of premise. Seems to me you need some sort of societally enforced standards to even the playing field in line with #2 and #3.
Anyhow just wondered what yall thought about all this. "some" of the points in the video are good seems to me and it's refreshing to see someone in the periphery of the mainstream at least acknowledging these things.
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EDIT: Oh, I will say that one area I think JP is very wrong on was he's said that "Women are likely to experience depression and experience more negative emotion".
My big issue with that is A) women surely report these things far more often than men and B) people actually care when women report negative emotion and depression, nobody fucking cares when men do.
Men understand B) so they don't even bother talking about it -- men understand signs of weakness only stand to hurt them, etc.
So no, I highly doubt women experience more negative emotion/depression and such. Consider the suicide rate difference, men actually do it because they understand there is no help for them whereas there actually is for women.
All that to say, he seems like a mixed figure to me -- considering just how terrible the mainstream is, he seems "alright" all things considered and gets somethings right, but some things wrong too.
I'm not really familiar with Joe Rogan myself, but I did see this clip where they talk about incels to some extent:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsMqSBB3ZTY
The primary points here I found interesting that JP was making are that:
1) Enforced monogamy keeps young male aggression in check -- when society has a large majority of men who can't get laid or find partners they get angry and destabilize society
2) The modern University landscape is extremely blackpilling -- JP talks about how even though women outnumber men so you'd "think" men would have an advantage in sexual opportunity, this is not how it plays out. Rather it plays out as we already know where a small minority of the men get all the sexual opportunity.
3) Hierarchies if they get too steep and if they get too unfair bare the risk of destabilizing the entire thing. It seems to me that this is more or less what's happening on both fronts in modern western society where A) the wealthy are taking more and more for themselves and are pushing people are far as they can and B) we're seeing worse sexual inequality today as more and more men are being "pushed out" as viable candidates, even average or perhaps above average men at that since online dating and university/school settings as well as a society that doesn't really enforce monogamy results in women going for the top men and sharing them.
He does harp on "muh self improvement" train which "can" be true, but is largely used to dismiss male issues that are valid. Notice nobody is ever telling women to "self improve" -- because they don't need to, only men are expected to self improve. Some self-improvement is reasonable I think, for example, if you're a fatcel and you've always been fat then who knows what you could achieve if you lost all the weight (I acknowledge that's not easy in fairness), but people take the self improvement schtick way too far and most people and pretty much all women blame men way beyond what's reasonable seems to me.
My other issue with the self improvement meme is, if every man self improves and maxes out their value aren't standards just going to continue to get higher and higher? For example, if everyone going to Uni suddenly got engineering/comp sci degrees the result is a harsh devaluing of those jobs, that sort of premise. Seems to me you need some sort of societally enforced standards to even the playing field in line with #2 and #3.
Anyhow just wondered what yall thought about all this. "some" of the points in the video are good seems to me and it's refreshing to see someone in the periphery of the mainstream at least acknowledging these things.
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EDIT: Oh, I will say that one area I think JP is very wrong on was he's said that "Women are likely to experience depression and experience more negative emotion".
My big issue with that is A) women surely report these things far more often than men and B) people actually care when women report negative emotion and depression, nobody fucking cares when men do.
Men understand B) so they don't even bother talking about it -- men understand signs of weakness only stand to hurt them, etc.
So no, I highly doubt women experience more negative emotion/depression and such. Consider the suicide rate difference, men actually do it because they understand there is no help for them whereas there actually is for women.
All that to say, he seems like a mixed figure to me -- considering just how terrible the mainstream is, he seems "alright" all things considered and gets somethings right, but some things wrong too.
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