High IQ thread. It's the reason you have excess body fat, to protect you during famines. If your above 15% BF you do not need to eat.
LifeFuel water fast is the best and quickest way to lose the weight. dont listen to blue pilled illuminati media
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Who /woke/ here?
Myth: Fasting will make you lose muscle/burn protein.
If these myths were true, none of us would be alive today. Think about the consequences of burning muscle for energy. During long winters, there were many days where no food was available. After the first episode, you would be severely weakened. After several repeated episodes, you would be so weak that you would be unable to hunt or gather food. Humans would never have survived as a species. The better question would be why the human body would store energy as fat if it planned to burn protein instead. The answer, of course, is that is does not burn muscle in the absence of food. That is only a myth.
Starvation mode, as it is popularly known, is the mysterious bogeyman always raised to scare us away from missing even a single meal. This is simply absurd. Breakdown of muscle tissue happens only at extremely low levels of body fat—approximately 4 percent—which is not something most people need to worry about. At this point, there is no further body fat to be mobilized for energy, and lean tissue is consumed. The human body has evolved to survive episodic periods of starvation. Fat is stored energy and muscle is functional tissue. Fat is burned first. This situation is akin to storing a huge amount of firewood but deciding to burn your sofa instead. It’s stupid. Why do we assume the human body is so stupid? The body preserves muscle mass until fat stores become so low that it has no other choice.
If these myths were true, none of us would be alive today. Think about the consequences of burning muscle for energy. During long winters, there were many days where no food was available. After the first episode, you would be severely weakened. After several repeated episodes, you would be so weak that you would be unable to hunt or gather food. Humans would never have survived as a species. The better question would be why the human body would store energy as fat if it planned to burn protein instead. The answer, of course, is that is does not burn muscle in the absence of food. That is only a myth.
Starvation mode, as it is popularly known, is the mysterious bogeyman always raised to scare us away from missing even a single meal. This is simply absurd. Breakdown of muscle tissue happens only at extremely low levels of body fat—approximately 4 percent—which is not something most people need to worry about. At this point, there is no further body fat to be mobilized for energy, and lean tissue is consumed. The human body has evolved to survive episodic periods of starvation. Fat is stored energy and muscle is functional tissue. Fat is burned first. This situation is akin to storing a huge amount of firewood but deciding to burn your sofa instead. It’s stupid. Why do we assume the human body is so stupid? The body preserves muscle mass until fat stores become so low that it has no other choice.
8 months of fasting? you can lose all that in under 3 months
This sounds kinda retarded because:
1.The human body adapts, the moment you start back eating regularly after attaining your "desired weight" you are fucked, your body is going to feel like its starving all the time and with start storing fat like crazy, foods that you'd usually burn off a bit just by walking a while will now be completely converted and stored as fat. So its kind of counter productive.
2. You can't really "work hard" and be on a diet like this, mangakas die in Japan literally from over working themselves and they get to eat well, imagine being a construction worker and you're on a water diet lol, within a week you'd have to go on sick leave, even your immune system will be weakend by then and you'll maybe even get sick on top of feeling physically drained. So this diet can only work for NEETS and white collar workers.
3. You are also going to lose muscle mass so whats the point, you've abandoned one unhealthy "form" for another, and building muscle is harder than burning fat, so now you still have to now going do a bunch of fucking arduous exercises not even to get stronger, but to get to the point that you were before the diet. Not going to sacrifice the already limited muscle mass I have just to lose some pounds, its not a logical tradeoff.
I could see a NEET making full use of this diet, but nobody else really, but food is a big cope for NEETs to begin with so this is just torture, enjoying treats and watching anime/gaming is probably the only thing a NEET has to look forward to in their life.
I know. Fasting + vegan diet.
people reported that after long water fasts not only they were not feeling starved like you say but they also said their eating habits have improved drasticlly. they dident needed to eat more then one meal per day. you are a retard. what you said about ganinig all the weight back is pure bullshit dummy,
I read books:
Fung - The Complete Guide to Fasting: Heal Your Body Through Intermittent, Alternate-Day, and Extended Fasting
Fung - The Obesity Code: Unlocking the Secrets of Weight Loss
Fung - The Complete Guide to Fasting: Heal Your Body Through Intermittent, Alternate-Day, and Extended Fasting
Fung - The Obesity Code: Unlocking the Secrets of Weight Loss
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Don’t bother he believes normal dieting or cutting is a bluepilled myth
i dont believe its a myth i just believe its extreamly slow
off course your going to gain all the weight back if you start eating like a complete pig. but it will happen with normal low carloie diet as well.
it will not happen if you eat right. stop with the scare already.
it will not happen if you eat right. stop with the scare already.
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Dietitians just want to sell you their Jewpills.
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Losing weight with eating is still easy as fuck but fasting is a good option for people who can't cook / know a lot about nutrition. People should eat like the people in the blue zones. Obesity is a fucking myth there
However people should at least take a few vitamin supplements if they want to fast for long periods of time. The average onset for scurvy is 4 weeks in a vitamin c less diet.
However people should at least take a few vitamin supplements if they want to fast for long periods of time. The average onset for scurvy is 4 weeks in a vitamin c less diet.
Recently bought a scale to test, I'm losing at 2+lbs (2.1, 2.2, 2.<insert number>, etc, always 2+ with some point variation) per day without exercise just by eating a calorie restricted diet. I've recently heard about this drug I'm looking to use that will likely take that loss rate higher.
While guys on your side of the fence are saying:
60kg = 132lbs
Just for the sake of ease lets say each month is always exactly 30 days, since its 8*30 that means he lost that weight over 240 days
So 240/132 = 1.8
He lost around 1.8lb PER DAY
So this guy was fucking starving himself drinking water and eating veggies, just to ironically lose weight at a slightly slower rate than me who was eating meat and having a fast food cheat meal every once in a while. Yeah I call bullshit, its a shitty diet. Maybe I just have a fast metabolism IDK, but either way the water diet is stupid, incels have so very little pleasures in life, and you want to take food out of the equation.
Seriously this shit is starting to scare me, its like psyops are being launched to trick guys into fucking their own lives up so they off themselves instead of becoming "threats"
Here's a jist of some of the shit I'm seeing on this site that are just retarded "ways of life" that lead nowhere.
Oh don't try and get money so you can buy the things you want and pay for sex, become a NEET and do nothing with your life, that will definitely make you happy
Oh don't think about fucking women, they're a waste of time, go get some trap boipussy, its better, they are the best of both worlds, body of a woman, mind of a man. lol this is an ironic joke btw, were all just joking here (continues to spam this shit over selected website)
Oh you better stop masturbating and start "nofapping", it'll definitely give you a huge energy boost and women will now magically be attracted to you, so what if its all a placebo, just do it
Oh don't force yourself to socialize so you can get a career or start a business, you're "high inhib" so it not your choice or your fault if you fail to try, you don't have to put in any effort, you don't have to adapt, life should adapt around you (literally female logic)
Oh my you haven't given your soul to allah yet, become a radical muslim, this religion definitely is for incels even though it doesn't really benefit them at all.
Oh you better despise degeneracy and deny yourself any pleasure that comes from it, focus on why normies shouldn't be allowed to be degenerate while doing nothing to actively impede or end their degeneracy, because we all know doing nothing works.
Here's the new one:
Oh don't diet normally and increase/retain muscle mass while you diet, do a water diet, its definitely better for some reason to deprive your body of all nutrition. Forget about how much you enjoy eating your favorite foods as a cope, depression awaits lol.
https://www.today.com/health/water-diet-it-really-good-plan-weight-loss-t74601
"What are the risks of a water diet?
When your main (or only) intake is water, your body loses crucial nutrients it needs. The short-term result is that you will lose a lot of weight, most of which will be water not fat, says Upton.
"You lose more muscle compared to people losing weight from a recommended calorie reduction of 500-800 calories per day from their normal intake. What this means is that [once off the water diet] you'll have to eat much less [to maintain weight loss] because your metabolic rate will have dropped significantly."
And if you don't get enough water while fasting, you risk side effects like dehydration, which can result in dizziness, fainting, constipation and headache, just to name a few."
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A vegan diet doesn't tell me much about his eating habits. There are so many different types of plant foods and also refined garbage is considered vegan.
Combining a vegan diet with water fasting doesn't make much sense to me. The point is that nobody needs to starve to lose weight
ur speaking like i said you should fast your all life
just one month. one fucking month. or maybe 2 if you really fat
yes its hard but its worth it.
just one month. one fucking month. or maybe 2 if you really fat
yes its hard but its worth it.
Degeneracy covers masturbation and degeneracy is a "retarded way of life that leads nowhere". You are essentially trying to present some "if you can't beat them, join them".
How is you loving degeneracy but not taking part in as often as you want to, working? All you're telling is that you're either not an incel or you're an escortcel who doesn't have a different mindset from normies. If you wanna join them, go join them. I don't focus on normies. I am anti-degenerate but I don't waste my time making 200 threads about other people's degeneracy, that just seems like sour grapes.
NoFap is more about NoPorn but I know two things - masturbation destroys androgen receptors whether you use porn or not. And porn causes addictions and messes with your brain - it also resorts in people being more accepting of phags and having a mindset like you do now.
You can do what you want, but I'm not participating.
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Same, but the food that I eat is healthy and does not cause weight gain due to the fiber content,water weight and caloric density. (I am also Vegan)I use food as cope.
Having a steady weightloss to a healthy weight is great and rapid weight loss is not needed
Forget fasting and eat more broccoli
Just eat once or twice a day like me.
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if you want to cut and have muscles you will lose mass though
Yeah. Vegetables are ideal cope food.
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Yep and they are health promoting. Most people do not eat the necessary amount of antioxidants and Fiber
Most of every "anti-degenerate" poster I know of on this site has admitted to still currently masturbating so maybe you should tell them that first lol
This is some vague disingenuous bullshit, notice I gave SPECIFIC examples, you can't just throw in this all encompasing word and say it all "leads nowhere", does being a "male pornstar" "lead nowhere", did the life that "hugh hefner" live "go nowhere", I wouldn't say so in my opinion. By "leads nowhere" I meant it doesn't lead to any actual success or happiness, people who take part in degeneracy seem pretty happy don't you think lol, so wtf do you even mean by this, just seems like you are throwing around words for the sake of saying something. Notice in my examples I basically explained why I call it "retarded" and why I say it "leads nowhere"
For example the NEET one - Oh don't try and get money so you can buy the things you want and pay for sex, become a NEET and do nothing with your life, that will definitely make you happy
Quite obviously being broke and unable to really help yourself or be independent isn't going to be a net positive in your life, you can never buy the things you need to further your own goals in life, also these idiots aren't thinking long term, do they really think they can be a 50+ welfare collector, ironically they just end up cucking themselves out of pension since they didn't actually work for said country and "earn" it.
If you are a NEET not because of welfare but because of your parents, quite obviously your parents will die, so who is going to pay the bills at your house to "fund" your "NEET life" after they die...... exactly.
No, its just idiots have falsely classified enjoying life as "their things", so enjoying life by default seems like "joining them"in your eyes. You and your ilk bestowed them "exclusive ownership" over everything that's enjoyable in life and I don't know why. We can't join them anyways, we'll never be one of them, but why the hell deny yourself of enjoyable things just because you hate the people who primarily take part in it.
It would be like a racist who believes the "black people invented ice cream" statement so he literally stops eating ice cream and never will again even though he know how good it tastes, its idiotic, literally cucking yourself due to personal bias.
1. Strawman, nobody has claimed to "love" degeneracy, nobody "loves" working but we sure do love getting paid, I say if something already exists, whether I like it or not, if I can benefit from it, there's no reason not to utilize it.
2. Actually based on your own admitted criteria since masturbation falls into degeneracy am I not taking part in some aspect of it as much as I want to lol. Again are you starting to see the problem of making all these pointless vague statements, this is why I like arguing specifics, its clear to the point so nobody can back peddle or say "I didn't mean this". This is why even if I don't explain specifics I give examples to make my point obvious. For example like I said above, what I meant by "leads nowhere" is apparent in my NEET example because I explain why so.
3. Like I've said before a lot of you guys are too focused on your current losses that you aren't formulating any future winnings. Particularly too focused on your teens and twenties and everything you missed out on in that time frame, its too late for that shit, stop dwelling on the past. In the short year and around 6 months of time when I "shifted my thinking" and started focusing on building an "enjoyable future" for myself I got a new job, got promoted in a few months over the workers who were already there before me, got two raises one of which I negotiated for myself. Soon I'm going to branch off into a part time section of my work and my pay will remain unchanged due to a loop hole I noticed in the company policy so i'll be getting paid more than the usually workers in that section lol. I'm going to work part time and finish my degree, from there on I'm not even sure what I'll do but from there I'm sure I'll figure something to do like I always do, but right now things have never been better in my life, because I stopped focusing on the things I can't change and focusing on the things I can.
That's the most retarded part about the whole "anti-degeneracy" mindset, if you aren't going to actually do something in the "physical realm"
to impede or completely stop degeneracy all you are doing IS POINTLESSLY COMPLAINING. That's really what irks me most about you guys, seriously thats the worst part about you guys, that you dont do anything, if I actually saw you guys "making moves" and doing things that impacted the lives of normies significantly I would seriously consider adapting your mindset, but BEING ANTI-DEGENERATE AS IT STANDS IS LITERALLY JUST A BUNCH OF POINTLESS WHINING
Casual sex shouldn't be allowed - "Oh I agree, what are you doing to stop it?"
Abortion is abhoorent, it should be banned - "Good I agree, what steps are you taking legal or otherwise to get it stopped at some point?"'
ETC ETC ETC
THE ANSWER IS ALWAYS "NOTHING"
1. I haven't "graduated" to escortcelling yet, only just acquired the proper "funding", also I think I should get a car first so I can get around to the necessary locations when I want.
2. You can't join normies, you either are or you aren't. Again you are falsely bestowing all these enjoyable things under their "exclusive ownership" and now using it makes you somehow "part of them". Like a racist who won't eat ice cream because he thinks a black man invented it, its just plain stupid, you can eat ice cream and still hate blacks lol.
3. Its good you don't waste time making all these threads, then you aren't really part of the guys I'm talking about who just endlessly complain and do nothing.
Oh let me be clear to point out one aspect I hate about the "nofap culture", your failure to use the word EJACULATION, because you know it turns your rhetoric into mush and exposes how illogical it is.
Its not just masturbation that "destroys (more like inhibits)" androgen receptors, its the act of ejaculation itself, this nothing specifically about stroking your dick with your hand that causes this, its the ejaculation itself, so literally by the logic of nofap, all the negatives that you guys experience can also be experienced by Chad when he has sex.
Chad just doesn't have sex as much as you masturbate so here's a solution - DON'T STOP MASTURBATING, JUST MASTURBATE LESS. I always find it a funny coincidence that all the guys I see touting the benefits of nofap admit to having fapped 3+ times a day, nofap ironically just shows how degenerate the "practitioner" really is, their lack self control, they can only do all or nothing because they can't even restrict themselves to a set amount of "uses" per day.
That's the irony of nofap, its supposed to be a display of self control but its actually the opposite, who has more self control, the alcoholic that avoids alcohol completely, or the alcoholic that is a bartender and takes a drink every now and then, the answer is obvious, if you actually have to avoid something completely then that is an admittance of your lack of control, not a declaration of your control over it. Of course I can't expect the guys of "nofap" to realize this on their own with the BS logic they have already.
I only masturbate once a day, I'm pretty sure ejaculating once a day is affecting my androgen receptors way less than a chad who fucks twice a day. The only negative of porn is probably how it makes you get used to experiencing sex from the 3rd person, which can lead to ED when finally having sex. I plan on stopping for a few months ONLY AFTER I'VE REACHED A POINT IN MY LIFE WHERE ESCORTCELING IS EASY (proper funding, access, location, etc). Only to "normalize" my mind back to enjoying sex in the first person as it should be, but there's no point in denying yourself pleasure now when you have no alternatives.
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Even Jesus fasted 40 days.
you can drink black coffee to block the hunger. and black tea
I tried fasting, but the low energy that comes along with it is awful, and it fucks up your sleeping.
The one thing that's worked for me is the ECA stack. Ephedrine + caffeine + aspirin. It increases your metabolism and really lowers your hunger urges. I started this when I was 240 lbs, and 3 months later I'm down to 224 now. Not doing any exercise, and not purposely eating much differently. My portions are noticeably smaller now.
The one thing that's worked for me is the ECA stack. Ephedrine + caffeine + aspirin. It increases your metabolism and really lowers your hunger urges. I started this when I was 240 lbs, and 3 months later I'm down to 224 now. Not doing any exercise, and not purposely eating much differently. My portions are noticeably smaller now.
i would suggest to start with coffee but not drinking it the all fast. just start with so your body will accumulate.
You didn't have to write a thesis...
How does settling down with a virgin wife and having a family lead to nowhere? How does avoiding degeneracy and keeping yourself pure while keeping your emotional health in check lead to nowhere? If you don't care about that, good for you - but I don't care about some hedonistic sex bullshit that will leave you empty. I said the "lead to nowhere" thing because you said it like a generalization too. Even being a NEET leads to a life of rotting and dependency - that's not nowhere.
If you are incel, you don't have access to those things so you can classify it as their things. Lol, at trying to claim I knew the fact about ejaculation, but I do know it now. The difference is sex has much more health benefits than masturbation so it balances out, kek.
Also you're using a strawman now. Being able to quit smoking completely shows much more self control than reducing your smokes. Don't cope by trying to make it seem as if we have to block and run away from masturbation as if it's alcohol because YOU always have access to it LOL. Porn is never really beneficial and I don't see how masturbation can be.
I'm actually on NeverFap, anti-degeneracy is the king.
I do if you keep making crappy arguments that have to be explained away in detail so you can't deny how false they are. It isn't even long, the responses are pretty short, its just formatted for ease of reading which leads to a lot of spaces. You are the same type of poster that will ironically use the phrase "high IQ thread/post" on this site when something fits your world view but reading a few short paragraphs is a "thesis" or "too long". How the hell can you decide if anything is of worth with a mental scale like that, you shouldn't even be arguing with the likes of me if that's the case.
You see this is what I mean by strawman arguments
1. Where did I say this or anything that alludes to this?
2. YOU GUYS AREN'T EVEN DOING THIS, COMPLAINING ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU CAN'T GET A VIRGIN WIFE ISN'T EQUIVALENT TO ACQUIRING SAID WIFE LOL
There is nothing pure about you or humanity period, stop being an egoist, were all inherently degenerate, like I've said before, the same vile sex acts you'd do with a virgin bride on your honeymoon night aren't anymore degenerate because you're virgins and/or did it under some arbitrary pact that can ironically be dismissed quite easily these days (a very flimsy pact). Existence itself is inherently degenerate, only an egoist can't admit to that and chooses to see themselves as "pure" lol, I mean look at the words you're using, there is nothing "pure" in this world, and you call yourself black pilled, but again this is from a self professed volcel, who said he has a 7.5 inch penis so I take most of what you say with a grain of salt because you shouldn't even be here really and truly. If I had 7 inches I wouldn't be on this site.
>black pilled
>still believes in BS like "deeper meaning in life"
1. Semantic BS
2. JFL this one had me laughing for a bit, I can't believe you are seriously making this argument and standing behind it, a clear sign you are grasping for straws here - "a life of rotting and dependency....... clearly that doesn't fall under the criteria of what anyone with a single brain cell would define as a "life going nowhere" "
You can't be serious with this one LOL
This is common sense, there is nothing intrisinic about a hand on your dick that causes energy loss, are you seriously telling me nofappers are that retarded that basic biology and common sense escapes them, I DON'T BELIEVE YOU.
No it doesn't lol, the "benefits" comes for the actual physical effort that comes from it, so you know, someone who masturbates could just........ EXERCISE (holy shit I must be a genius, there's no way anybody could come up with this because clearly this isn't common sense).
1. Your analogy is false, you left out something specific in mines, where said "quitter" spends time around said addiction and doesn't avoid it, being able to quit smoking while avoiding cigarettes all the time isn''t self control anybody can keep themselves from using something if they simply stay away from it. Its like saying I'm resisting my urge to play in snow by living in a country where it doesn't snow lol, you are avoiding the "substance", that's running away not control, being able to use said substance and not "lose yourself to it" is control.
I'll say it again, its not a coincidence that every single nofap poster I've ever spoken to online talks about doing it like 3+ times a day, they lacked self control to begin with and that's what led to their energy drain, faitgue, strong ED symptoms, etc. They NEED nofap because they can't self regulate.
2. Problem with what you're saying here is a lot of nofappers actually have sex, so no they didn't beat the addiction, they are merely weening themselves off of a specific method of utilizing said drug. Go through some nofap forums, these guys are still having sex while ironically stating that masturbation made them tired, the mental gymastics is amazing.
Now I'm going to stop writing my thesis since I've already disprove your BS many times over and you aren't even going to properly read what I posted anyways lol. This is really just for other users to see the stupidity of nofap on full display.
*cringe*
I barely say the words "High IQ thread/post" and if I've posted it, it's usually a quote. I never said "too long" - I said you didn't have to write a thesis - simple. Writing a lot doesn't mean you're smart or dumb - don't cry over little details.
And no they're not strawmans, I didn't say you said anything AGAINST that. I am asking you a question - think dude. Also, I'm not complaining about anything, THIS IS YOU STRAWMANNING ME .
Yes, humans are degenerate but that doesn't mean we should seek to increase the degeneracy just because we can't be perfect. I also don't get your fucking cope, having an above average penis does not mean you will automatically get sex.
The blackpill is a fatalistic version of the redpill about women, attraction and lookstheory. It doesn't have anything to do with my belief in God or any "deeper meaning in life" so don't twist it.
"Semantic BS" isn't an argument and it was to show you the folly of this argument. What people define as "leading nowhere" is subjective so for you to say anti-degeneracy leads nowhere is also pointless. Also, I love how you couldn't actually refute my argument so you dismissed it as "grasping at straws" which is ironically what you are doing by resorting to the populist fallacy.
What the heck are you talking about "energy loss"? Masturbation obviously uses energy so you are not using the common sense you claim we don't have. I didn't know it was the act of ejaculation that reduced androgen receptors - I thought it was masturbation.
You clearly don't know much about sex if you think the only benefit is cardiovascular. It has benefits of improved immunity, improved heart health, lower blood pressure, pain relief, links to reduced risk of prostate cancer, improved sleep and intimacy and a boosted libido. It also raises T a lot.
And you still don't get it with your fallacious and false analogies, your dick doesn't DISAPPEAR on NoFap, you still have the ability to masturbate whether you are on it or not, YOU CHOOSE not to. Stop trying to bullshit with some cope that if you quit something entirely, you have no control but if you keep using it and reduce it, that's so much control, lmao get out with this BS. Quitting smoking completely when you always have a cigarette on you shows much more control than reducing your smokes gradually when you have cigarettes on you.
Also, that's those people not me - if they can't control themselves then that's their problem, jfl at making generalisations after criticising them. Also, sex is much better than masturbation and has health benefits, this isn't mental gymnastics, you just seem to be a mental midget.
You haven't really disproved anything, lol. You tried your best though.
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You nofap copers need to fuck back off to leddit and stay there.
Stop viewing yourself as the pinnacle of anti degeneracy you are a virgin posting on a board made for virgins you have no need to show off
Then they start eating again, binge, and end up even fatter than before.
NoFap isn't my cope, it's a way of life. I was abstaining from masturbation before I even knew what NoFap was.
There are many non-virgins on this site so kek. But I don't view virginity as a bad thing and I am not showing off - why would you care if you think NoFap and anti degeneracy is a cope?
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I don’t understand why you guys like to show off that you don’t masturbate is what my thought process was
I’m not against anti degeneracy I was saying that you don’t need to prove to everyone that you are one
I never really talk or brag about NoFap, it was blkpillpres that brought it up.
True but its why cutting is called cutting, not weight loss. And its why its something bodybuilders etc do, as opposed to the average person - because its quite a bit harder than just losing weight. Needs quite careful tracking of macros.
I tried it before and it was absolute hell. I was constantly tired ,had like zero energy but it was hard for me to fall asleep.. Just eat right and hit the gym.
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