Updated my plan on possibly sending Polish and Romanians into Ukraine

[WizardofSoda]

Russia population: 146 million
4 SE provinces of Ukraine 'Novo Russia' populations: 9 million

Sum: 155 million

Ukraine areas controlled by the government of Ukraine: 32 million
Poland population: 38 million
Romania population: 19 million

Sum: 89 million


Ukraine & co. can't afford to fund a war on their own, so the USA/UK mainly has to pay all the war costs. The EU countries are paying the costs with higher natural gas prices mainly. Since we are back to WWI style trench warfare and artillery, it is industrial warfare.

I estimate the cost for this at $300 billion a year to support Ukraine, Poland and Romania's armies. And $120 billion a year to keep the government of Ukraine operational like it was before the war. So $420 billion a year for the war. Basically Russia will try to overwhelm Ukraine with military manpower. And the US/UK try to gradually wear down Russia by outspending them.

 

[kretschmer]

you think romanian and polish men want to die for your precious globalhomo? go fight for it yourself.

 

[Khanivore]

Why do you want Russia to lose?

 

[decembrist_kirillov]

you think romanian and polish men want to die for your precious globalhomo? go fight for it yourself.

 

[RuudVanNistelrooy]

you think romanian and polish men want to die for your precious globalhomo? go fight for it yourself.

I am Romanian and i don't want to fight for the country even more degenerate than mine.

 

[Angry_runt]

Ukraine has enough population, what they need is trained soldiers and lots of hardware which the US can provide if they want.

Although there wouldn't be much benefit in either side winning outright. Some sort of compromise (as unfair as it would be to Ukraine) is the optimal outcome.

 

[JayGoptri]

All out comes seem bad at the moment. This is the most boring and pathetic war which is simultaneously the most dangerous as it is the catalyst which people might look back on and say "This was the end of modern Western civilization"

 

[WizardofSoda]

you think romanian and polish men want to die for your precious globalhomo? go fight for it yourself.

The Poles and Romanians are like rabid attack dogs, and have been wanting to go in since about 2 months into the war.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Something you guys aren't factoring in.. normies love wars. Its the highlight of normies lives. Bad people like incels and criminals and rich people we find ways not to go in the war, and the countries make mile wide exemptions.

Normies are volunteering.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Long wars with brutal losses, also help to rebalance things for sexual equality. There is just way, way, way too many men in Europe compared to women for sexual equality.

 

[verzetn]

you think romanian and polish men want to die for your precious globalhomo? go fight for it yourself.

 

[WizardofSoda]

People said the same thing before the war.. that no way will Ukrainian men fight, they will be with the women throwing flowers to the Russian soldiers and not risking their lives.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Think about in Poland when we are 'testing' the air raid sirens and scaring the shit out of Poles. And on their tv's running clips of Russians saying they want to 'denazify Poland', and kill Poles for helping Ukraine.

 

[ethniccel1]

Something you guys aren't factoring in.. normies love wars. Its the highlight of normies lives. Bad people like incels and criminals and rich people we find ways not to go in the war, and the countries make mile wide exemptions.

Normies are volunteering.

lol

 

[JayGoptri]

People said the same thing before the war.. that no way will Ukrainian men fight, they will be with the women throwing flowers to the Russian soldiers and not risking their lives.

Yeah yeah. You do know the only reason they even fought for more than one day was due to the fact they knew Globohomo Biden and EU were going to give them candy right?

 

[JayGoptri]

Long wars with brutal losses, also help to rebalance things for sexual equality. There is just way, way, way too many men in Europe compared to women for sexual equality.

Don't count on this war to do much of that in EU.

 

[Deleted member 40842]

I am Romanian and I wouldn't fight in Ukraine. For what? Just to die? To defend Zelensky and his billions of $ from corruption? If you don't know Ukraine never recognised romanian/polish/hungarian/russian minority's rights to study in their own language or their culture. They behaved like shit with minorities. I am not saying this war is justified in any way, I have always been for diplomacy.

 

[JayGoptri]

I am Romanian and I wouldn't fight in Ukraine. For what? Just to die? To defend Zelensky and his billions of $ from corruption? If you don't know Ukraine never recognised romanian/polish/hungarian/russian minority's rights to study in their own language or their culture. They behaved like shit with minorities. I am not saying this war is justified in any way, I have always been for diplomacy.

This also^

And.. he's a Homosexual brown noise'ing manipulator who makes demands for the average U.S. citizen to shell over money for this deranged war effort. Honestly it's more and more likely that Putin/Russia would have been happy with just a little bit less asshole'ness from the United States and EU. This may have helped the West if China ever sought a real stand off with the West and then Putin/Russia may have said "mmmhm not really helping you guys, sorry". Of course I could be dead wrong.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Yeah yeah. You do know the only reason they even fought for more than one day was due to the fact they knew Globohomo Biden and EU were going to give them candy right?

What they are worried about is say Ukraine gets fully taken over by Russia, and Russia takes back Moldova. And the Russian army adds another 300-400,000 active duty soldiers since it has Ukraine at that point.

Now Russia would be bordering Romania again along a long border and say Russia was making threats to Romania that it wants a pro-Russian government again and Russian 'peacekeepers' in Romania. Romania asks for everybody's help at that point, but we might say sorry, we don't want to make trouble with Russia.

 

[Deleted member 40842]

This also^

And.. he's a Homosexual brown noise'ing manipulator who makes demands for the average U.S. citizen to shell over money for this deranged war effort. Honestly it's more and more likely that Putin/Russia would have been happy with just a little bit less asshole'ness from the United States and EU. This may have helped the West if China ever sought a real stand off with the West and then Putin/Russia may have said "mmmhm not really helping you guys, sorry". Of course I could be dead wrong.

True, I am not pro Russia (I hate both Russia and US), but western propaganda is disgusting. We, in EU, shot ourselves in feet with sanctions on Russia on energy. And surprise and again surprise war is continuing. I feel countries from EU should put people's needs first and let that false solidarity apart. It's easy when you are a rich politician to say that we must all suffer in the name of democratic values. EU isn't a democracy anymore. To threathen Italy just because people voted for someone who cares about his country.

 

[JayGoptri]

What they are worried about is

Who is they?

 

[WizardofSoda]

Who is they?

I should have specified, the big wigs in Romania.

 

[WizardofSoda]

True, I am not pro Russia (I hate both Russia and US), but western propaganda is disgusting. We, in EU, shot ourselves in feet with sanctions on Russia on energy. And surprise and again surprise war is continuing. I feel countries from EU should put people's needs first and let that false solidarity apart. It's easy when you are a rich politician to say that we must all suffer in the name of democratic values. EU isn't a democracy anymore. To threathen Italy just because people voted for someone who cares about his country.

Ya it doesn't work the EU model of always making the people poorer and having to suffer, while the 'socialists' high up in the government and the rich live it up in luxury. Europe quickly reverted back to feudalism which is the European culture and what people know for over 1,000 years.

A very important point with American power is America delivers abundance to everybody in America. Even in wars they don't ask people to suffer or do without. For example in the Iraq War, George Bush said 'go shopping'.

Russia's real strength as I see it is that modern Russia delivers cheap food, water, housing, electricity, heating fuel, gas for cars to everybody. Thats why Russians aren't feeling the war much, unless they were well off, upper middle class or higher.

 

[JayGoptri]

I should have specified, the big wigs in Romania.

Romania? I was thinking you meant the U.S. and EU allies. I mean honestly, nobody cares what Romania thinks ngl. The war-chest is not motivated by any of this. It's motivated by what the elites in America + UK + Germany + France want. And at the moment, they are playing the Hollywood game. Soon it will end badly.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Romania? I was thinking you meant the U.S. and EU allies. I mean honestly, nobody cares what Romania thinks ngl. The war-chest is not motivated by any of this. It's motivated by what the elites in America + UK + Germany + France want. And at the moment, they are playing the Hollywood game. Soon it will end badly.

Ya with this money once the elites in countries in Eastern Europe get a taste of it they have no problem sending in 100's of thousands of their soldiers if thats what it takes to keep the money flowing.

 

[NorthernWind]

Russia controls mainly 4 Ukraine's oblast and not all of them are populated well. If I'm not mistaken, before the war only 1 million lived in Kherson oblast. There is no way 9 millions live under Russian control in Ukraine. It must be significantly smaller population. But Russia always can pressure Belarus (9+ million ) to join war if any NATO country will fight with Russia.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Russia controls mainly 4 Ukraine's oblast and not all of them are populated well. If I'm not mistaken, before the war only 1 million lived in Kherson oblast. There is no way 9 millions live under Russian control in Ukraine. It must be significantly smaller population. But Russia always can pressure Belarus (9+ million ) to join war if any NATO country will fight with Russia.

Donetsk oblast is heavily populated, it was the industrial center of Ukraine and the most populated province with 4 million people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine

I took these numbers for the Oblasts:

Donetsk: 4,062,000
Luhansk: 2,104,000
Zaporizhzhia: 1,640,000
Kherson: 1,002,000

Sum: 8,808,000

Its basically an over-estimate, but when I started using it Russia also had territory in Kharkov province. Thing is the 32 million in the rest of Ukraine is also now an overestimate because millions of Ukrainians have left the country.

 

[NorthernWind]

millions of Ukrainians have left the country.

Mostly females.

 

[WizardofSoda]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/worl...se-the-size-of-its-army/ar-AA12fYkj?ocid=EMMX

The Polish Army currently has 110,000 troops, with an additional 30,000 in the WOT. The government intends to increase the first figure to 250,000 professionals and 50,000 volunteers.

 

[Betrayed]

you think romanian and polish men want to die for your precious globalhomo? go fight for it yourself.