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Serious [Unpopular Opinion] - When It Comes To Incels That Have Killed Themselves After Announcing It Online - Nothing Of Value Was Lost

And I have always been opposed to killing women, even if they have done something objectionable.

JFL why, abandon that mindset, women are just as accountable as men and just as deserving of murder if not more, because what they do is even more sickening in my book, they instigate, a woman will instigate your bullying and persecution and just smile from afar and take it all in while the guy she got to do the dirty work does it, both should be killed, but I'd take special time taking out my anger on her
I don't have access to necessary weaponry or any weapons really, that's why I still live, because I don't just want to kill myself and waste all my suffering. I need to figure out how to get weapons, equipment and explosives.

Dude, makes more sense to crimemaxx than to put all that effort into killing randos, maybe you'll get so rich and create such an enjoyable life you no longer want to die, with this COVID 19 thing going on the drug market has blown up, all people have is free time and they are stuck in their houses for hours, I'm sure weed sales have gone through the roof

EDIT - just looked at your profile, if you are really a 30 year old KHHV you might as well visit a prostitute once and enjoy it, you may not have much time, any of us could die tomorrow, I could die crossing the road tomorrow JFL, you never know
 
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My reaction to this post.

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It was as if they never existed to begin with, so it doesn't matter if they die:
They didn't do anything of significance to the world
They didn't do anything of significance to their country
They didn't do anything of significance to their city/town
They didn't do anything of significance to family/friends

Also I pointed out that they had no significance in reference to my argument that them being alive is no different than them being dead, but you go ahead and tell me how else you establish the worth of a human being other than their impact on others and human society

What you call "significance" has no "significance" in the (nihilistic) end. It doesn't matter. Why should anybody be bothered about having "significance"?
And: Hitler, Stalin and Mao probably had "significance to their countries" and "to the world" - I bet many would have better lived without their works. But in your logic, they are extremely "worthy", because they were extremely "significant".

low value individual who lacks any kind of drive or conviction

1. Doesn't matter, you are dead anyway. Why should someone invest an amount of energy (which is probably already low in the state of depression) in anything other than suicide when being dead is the goal?
2. Not committing brutal crimes before dead either because of morals, theist/agnostic belief, empathy or simple nondesire for it comes not to your mind? Low-value limited mind?
3. When they are low-value individuals, isn't (self-)exterminating the right thing to do anyway? As sooner they are gone, the better. But I should rather say: "low value", again JFL. Why do you called them "low-value" and not non-valuing "weak-willed"? Sounds more social-Darwinistic and not nihilistic. In nihilism, everyone has "no-value", but at least indiscriminately.
4. What is it, what makes low-value/low worth? Lack of significance or lack of conviction? It is not the same and still you self said: "tell me how else you establish the worth of a human being other than their impact on others and human society" So you told yourself already an alternative in the same post: Lack of drive, lack of conviction.
 
The reason why I don't like most Incels that commit suicide is that they don't go ER, or even try to make a plan to do it in the first place. If you are going to kill yourself, you've got nothing to lose so at least you could try. At least when you commit suicide after an unsuccessful ER attempt you would at least know that you tried.
Imagine getting treat like shit, like you're not even human, and then getting depressed and killing yourself alone in a small apartment where it will take months for someone to eventually find your rotted corpse. When you do that, you are doing what society has wanted you do ever since you were born (I was born, and then it was over - hamudi). On the other had if you go ER, you are giving on final "fuck you" to everyone who mistreated you and to maybe get people to think twice before they decide to mistreat an ugly male.
To all the people who would say that this would have massive negative consequences, such as guns being banned or incels getting cracked down on, I have on point to make. If all ugly males decided to go ER, it would create such a catastrophe that society would be forced to acknowledge the incel issue. Incel topics will be discussed and brought into the mainstream, awakening the bluepillers to the truth. This would only get stronger as hypergamy increases and we become a more Gynocentric society, even more than now.
 
JFL why, abandon that mindset, women are just as accountable as men and just as deserving of murder if not more, because what they do is even more sickening in my book, they instigate, a woman will instigate your bullying and persecution and just smile from afar and take it all in while the guy she got to do the dirty work does it, both should be killed, but I'd take special time taking out my anger on her

My reason for not killing women is that the basic problem is WOMAN SHORTAGE. I want men to die, not women. There is a surplus of men of mating age. I think the sex ratio matters greatly. Lifefuel would be a big, traditional trench-warfare war in Europe that would kill a lot of young men. Nuclear weapons taking out big cities and killing as much women as men (if not more, because men would be in the frontline and big cities have more women than small cities and countryside) would be bad though.

Dude, makes more sense to crimemaxx than to put all that effort into killing randos

I already wrote that I don't want to hurt (including doing crimes) innocent people. I don't want to kill random persons.
if you are really a 30 year old KHHV you might as well visit a prostitute once and enjoy it

I want to go to Pattaya first, but it's not possible at the moment or in the near future due to COVID-19. If I made it to Pattaya, I will fuck every day while being there, not just once. Are you much younger than me? The European escorts here don't seem to be worth the money.
 
So when are you going to follow what you preach by moneymaxxing fulltime, socializing like a sociopath and increasing your linkedin connections rather than posting on this incel forum to fuel your ego?
 
Are you much younger than me?

Yes, and I plan on going to Pattaya at some point too

@rope2cope thread was a decent guide:

Seems like you already posted in it
 
So when are you going to follow what you preach by moneymaxxing fulltime, socializing like a sociopath and increasing your linkedin connections rather than posting on this incel forum to fuel your ego?
You have no clue what @BlkPillPres and I have for the normies.

I'm glad that even in my absence you've stayed the course of blackpilling even the so-called blackpilled amongst you. Look how weak the Incels have become. A laughing stock of the internet. No one took advantage of the US riots or the other...news. I fear that men are wasting away.
 
So when are you going to follow what you preach by moneymaxxing fulltime, socializing like a sociopath and increasing your linkedin connections rather than posting on this incel forum to fuel your ego?

1. moneymaxxing or fulltime, pick one, moneymaxxing is about PASSIVE income, and setting up the online businesses and getting everything together takes time, but its not something you can do in a day either, as you have to wait for certain opportunities

2. JFL what the hell does socializing have to do with any of this

3. Your entire argument is a retarded strawman, its as if you are arguing, free time doesn't exist, I have a lot of free time due to COVID 19, it has been a blessing for wealthmaxxers, I can relax and work on my projects and still get paid

You have no clue what @BlkPillPres and I have for the normies.

I'm glad that even in my absence you've stayed the course of blackpilling even the so-called blackpilled amongst you. Look how weak the Incels have become. A laughing stock of the internet. No one took advantage of the US riots or the other...news. I fear that men are wasting away.

I think this thread perfectly explains the mindset of most incels (MOST MEN PERIOD):

Most incels are actually content with their shitty lives (else they wouldn't accept it and preach LDAR bullshit), their entire online persona of "being against society" is a coping mechanism so they don't grow to hate themselves for actually being alright with it, they convince themselves that they are against the system when really no matter what circumstances they'd just lie down and take it and just complain
 
Most incels are actually content with their shitty lives (else they wouldn't accept it and preach LDAR bullshit), their entire online persona of "being against society" is a coping mechanism so they don't grow to hate themselves for actually being alright with it, they convince themselves that they are against the system when really no matter what circumstances they'd just lie down and take it and just complain
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They need to visit their doctors and get a script for testosterone or something.

Another major issue with Incels is right in the name. Your defining feature is not getting any pussy-- when you make that your "thing" no one will ever listen to your message.

You want someone to hear your message, then follow ISIS, the KKK, BLM, the US government. Put real boots on the ground and blow shit up and sign your name under it in all caps. Organize real violence, real chaos. Or be forgotten and mocked like a bunch of faggots.
 
You people seem to think suicide is a meme. Killing yourself is the bravest thing you can do, and there's usually a small window of opportunity where you're brave enough.
Just because you decide you want to kill yourself doesn't mean you have the ability to kill other people. Believe it or not most of us are naturally very empathetic.

This is a horrible thread.
 
I understand. I'm not suicidal however but even I know that'll never last.

My anger, frustration and hatred has only increased since I was discharged from the mental hospital months back. I have my limits and one day those limits would be broken.

Just gonna leave this here for the FBI
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Same file name, size, and dimensions.

You have no clue what @BlkPillPres and I have for the normies.

I'm glad that even in my absence you've stayed the course of blackpilling even the so-called blackpilled amongst you. Look how weak the Incels have become. A laughing stock of the internet. No one took advantage of the US riots or the other...news. I fear that men are wasting away.
"my absence"

Who the fuck are you?
 
You really should take advantage of the fact that you have nothing to lose anymore.
^We need to tell every suicidal incel THIS.
Suicide is a waste of human life if you ask me.
 
My reason for not killing women is that the basic problem is WOMAN SHORTAGE. I want men to die, not women. There is a surplus of men of mating age. I think the sex ratio matters greatly. Lifefuel would be a big, traditional trench-warfare war in Europe that would kill a lot of young men. Nuclear weapons taking out big cities and killing as much women as men (if not more, because men would be in the frontline and big cities have more women than small cities and countryside) would be bad though.
There's almost no reason to kill low value men then, the ones who deserve it should be chads because they have harems of rosties. Cucks and soyfags deserve it too.
Imagine getting treat like shit, like you're not even human, and then getting depressed and killing yourself alone in a small apartment where it will take months for someone to eventually find your rotted corpse.
That's pretty cucked no matter how anyone tries to rationalize it.
2. Not committing brutal crimes before dead either because of morals, theist/agnostic belief, empathy or simple nondesire for it comes not to your mind? Low-value limited mind?
A real low value blackpilked man would at least want to get some revenge, unless he's extremely low t or a cuck. Breaking the law isn't against most religions, but killing yourself for not being able to fuck entitled western whores for free is against most religions, and it's cucked.
Doesn't matter, you are dead anyway. Why should someone invest an amount of energy (which is probably already low in the state of depression) in anything other than suicide when being dead is the goal?
I don't know why they'd waste their energy talking about it on incel forums for months either.
 
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Why should someone invest an amount of energy (which is probably already low in the state of depression) in anything other than suicide when being dead is the goal?
I don't know why they'd waste their energy talking about it on incel forums for months either.

:feelskek:

Exactly, he made a self defeating argument, why bother posting about it if being dead is the goal, just kill yourself quietly in some corner and not bother other people, which is exactly what I said:
TO ANYONE PLANNING ON MAKING A SUICIDE POST:
PLEASE JUST KILL YOURSELF IN SOME QUIET LITTLE CORNER AND BE DONE WITH IT, AND DON'T DUMP YOUR BULLSHIT ON THE REST OF US THAT ARE CHOOSING TO LIVE AND TO KEEP TRYING



yes.

That guy handles his weapons well, the 1st person view and his skill made me think of Doom Eternal, playing the music with the video muted fits lol


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eBEyMkFwSI
 
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Exactly, he made a self defeating argument, why bother posting about it if being dead is the goal, just kill yourself quietly in some corner and not bother other people, which is exactly what I said:
They think they're worthless and don't want to bother other people, but they constantly feel like complaining to a bunch of sexually unsuccessful men.
 
Lmfao based. Suicels on suicide watch after this.
 
TO ANYONE PLANNING ON MAKING A SUICIDE POST:
PLEASE JUST KILL YOURSELF IN SOME QUIET LITTLE CORNER AND BE DONE WITH IT, AND DON'T DUMP YOUR BULLSHIT ON THE REST OF US THAT ARE CHOOSING TO LIVE AND TO KEEP TRYING

us? Who's Us?

Speak for yourself. Not me.

TO ANYONE PLANNING ON MAKING A SUICIDE POST:
PLEASE JUST MUTE BLKPILLPRES, THEN LET THE REST OF US KNOW ABOUT HOW YOUR LIFE IS SHITTY AND WHAT'S BROUGHT YOU TO SUICIDE. IT WILL ALLOW THOSE WHO ARE SUICIDAL TO RETHINK THE ACTIONS THEY MAY TAKE AND ADJUST ACCORDINGLY.
 
Wow, another thread from BlkCuckPres I didn't read.
 
Agreed. @JohnWickCel was clearly a talentless low iq retard normie. And you only need to see his name and profile picture to deduce that. Don't get me started on his posts. He genuinely had no personality or character and every one of his threads was just a recital of a recent meaningless news story.

I had a feeling that was the motivator for this post.
 
You know what's more pathetic than killing yourself after announcing it online? Not killing yourself after saying that you will.
 
I think that if is one is really going to commit suicide and not just bluffing, they would never announce to anyone else (this or any other forum, it doesn't matter). When you willing to take yourself to the better world, your earthly existence has become so unbearable that you won't even have the energy necessary to write a post to some anonymous(?) forum to people who, in most cases (or to be fair, in all cases), don't give a flying fuck about you.

I want men to die, not women. There is a surplus of men of mating age. I think the sex ratio matters greatly. Lifefuel would be a big, traditional trench-warfare war in Europe that would kill a lot of young men. Nuclear weapons taking out big cities and killing as much women as men (if not more, because men would be in the frontline and big cities have more women than small cities and countryside) would be bad though.
How is so much cuckoldry even allowed on this forum?
 
The kind of person that kills themselves, and not even try to get revenge or take extreme measures to change their life (outside the legal norms they were always limiting themselves to), is a low value individual who lacks any kind of drive or conviction

They don't truly WANT anything in life, they just like the implications of the IDEA of them being someone that "wants great things" (no logic, just ego), they are infatuated with the perception of a reality rather than obsessed with attaining that reality, so they aren't willing to go to extremes to get what they want


There is no difference between them being alive or dead, because in either case, their impact and influence on their surroundings, not even the world but just within their "social sphere" (within "their life") is ZERO

It was as if they never existed to begin with, so it doesn't matter if they die:
They didn't do anything of significance to the world
They didn't do anything of significance to their country
They didn't do anything of significance to their city/town
They didn't do anything of significance to family/friends

MOST IMPORTANTLY - THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE TO THEIR OWN LIVES

This is another reason why I hate suicide posts, not only can they not be verified (could just be a troll or an incel who ascended and didn't want to be hated), but its a pathetic and disgusting attempt for that person to "try and matter", taking the lazy way out rather than trying other things to improve their life that they once avoided due to fear of death or jail time

I don't need to see some loser announce their death just to feel better about it nor do I care if they die, so they are just polluting the internet with that shit

TO ANYONE PLANNING ON MAKING A SUICIDE POST:
PLEASE JUST KILL YOURSELF IN SOME QUIET LITTLE CORNER AND BE DONE WITH IT, AND DON'T DUMP YOUR BULLSHIT ON THE REST OF US THAT ARE CHOOSING TO LIVE AND TO KEEP TRYING
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1. moneymaxxing or fulltime, pick one, moneymaxxing is about PASSIVE income, and setting up the online businesses and getting everything together takes time, but its not something you can do in a day either, as you have to wait for certain opportunities

2. JFL what the hell does socializing have to do with any of this

3. Your entire argument is a retarded strawman, its as if you are arguing, free time doesn't exist, I have a lot of free time due to COVID 19, it has been a blessing for wealthmaxxers, I can relax and work on my projects and still get paid



I think this thread perfectly explains the mindset of most incels (MOST MEN PERIOD):

Most incels are actually content with their shitty lives (else they wouldn't accept it and preach LDAR bullshit), their entire online persona of "being against society" is a coping mechanism so they don't grow to hate themselves for actually being alright with it, they convince themselves that they are against the system when really no matter what circumstances they'd just lie down and take it and just complain
Why are you trying to convince incels to be like you?
 
Why are you trying to convince incels to be like you?
Users who always talk about roping aren't real blackpilled incels, and they're admittedly low value in almost everything.
 
You people seem to think suicide is a meme. Killing yourself is the bravest thing you can do, and there's usually a small window of opportunity where you're brave enough.
Just because you decide you want to kill yourself doesn't mean you have the ability to kill other people. Believe it or not most of us are naturally very empathetic.

This is a horrible thread.
tbh.

JuSt Go eR bRo
 
Blah blah blah fucking hell lol, so much effort written about something that is pathetic apparently.
 
Shit thread aside from going ER. Some of us are too ugly or low IQ to even try. You wouldn't know since you're a failed normie who has an average face.
 
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Isn't killing yourself ironically you ending your complaints?

I feel like you are arguing right now against things I never said, instead of killing themselves why don't they pursue avenues outside of legal means to get what they want from life (did you not see that part, its literally in the FIRST LINE of my post)

Why is someone who wants to die, limiting themselves to laws and morals?

That's a weak person in my book, if they die they die, I care nothing about such an individual

BASED. If niggas want to sit in their rooms all day and complain let them, but you have all the opportunity.in the world to improve your life.
 
us? Who's Us?

Speak for yourself. Not me.

There are people agreeing with me, so that US
I had a feeling that was the motivator for this post.

This thread is not about that guy, another user recently posted a thread like this and then posted back a few days after his suicide date
You know what's more pathetic than killing yourself after announcing it online? Not killing yourself after saying that you will.
 
Why are you trying to convince incels to be like you?

Why do I want other men like myself to not live shitty lives?

A better question is why are there retards convincing young and impressionable males to LDAR and keep themselves broke and sexually starved, that's whats fucked up, you should be asking why they are doing that, and why that is treated like the norm, but me trying to convince other incels to make better lives for themselves is what you question
 
Why do I want other men like myself to not live shitty lives?

A better question is why are there retards convincing young and impressionable males to LDAR and keep themselves broke and sexually starved, that's whats fucked up, you should be asking why they are doing that, and why that is treated like the norm, but me trying to convince other incels to make better lives for themselves is what you question
High iq. They're the ones who make hundreds of threads trying to convince others that roping is a good idea, meanwhile they'd probably never do it themselves in a million years. I get intense IT vibes from users who advocate for incels to end their lives, just for not being able to get free pussy from entitled western whores.

Your thread gave me an idea for a poll.
 
Don't be a retard and conflate logic with emotion, you wanting them to "not feel shunned" is an emotional argument yet you are saying its illogical to not allow them that, I think you need to google the word "logic" because you aren't making a logical argument, you are making an emotional one, them "being able to scream into the void" has no bearing on logic

I swear some of you guys just string words together with no understand of the meaning an no context

Whats illogical is killing yourself period rather than crimemaxxing since you have nothing to lose, that's whats illogical

Imagine no longer fearing death yet still limiting yourself by laws and moral values, that's an idiot in my book, that's what is illogical

@Aedracel - JFL dude are you a bot or something, all you do is quote people and make tiny responses but you never directly address the person you want to critique, what kind of coward shit is this, make your own points
I’ve seen you say the crime max thing at least five times in this thread and I’m fucking sick of it. People who are suicidal DO have something to lose. Because unless your some rich fuck it’s Nearly impossible to commit suicide in prison. Also, shut the hell up about logic when everything you’ve said is stupid and illogical. “ just go to prison and make it impossible for you to end your suffering bro” “ use crime to get what you want bro” well what I WANT is to stop living. I don’t WANT anything else because if I did then I would simply cope with that and stfu about roping.
 
People who are suicidal DO have something to lose. Because unless your some rich fuck it’s Nearly impossible to commit suicide in prison

BS excuse, kill yourself before you get apprehended, this isn't rocket science

Was elliot rodger some kind of super skilled gunman?, clearly not based on his kill record, but he was able to kill himself in the heat of a chase with the police, you guys just like making excuses
 
You gotta go maximum Ogerdrive maneatermode.
 
All the people that say they are going to kill themselves are larping for attention.
 
All the people that say they are going to kill themselves are larping for attention.
Being an incel in the cucked west isn't a good reason to rope. The ones who say they will and are serious must have other major issues, like self hatred.
 
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The kind of person that kills themselves, and not even try to get revenge or take extreme measures to change their life (outside the legal norms they were always limiting themselves to), is a low value individual who lacks any kind of drive or conviction

They don't truly WANT anything in life, they just like the implications of the IDEA of them being someone that "wants great things" (no logic, just ego), they are infatuated with the perception of a reality rather than obsessed with attaining that reality, so they aren't willing to go to extremes to get what they want


There is no difference between them being alive or dead, because in either case, their impact and influence on their surroundings, not even the world but just within their "social sphere" (within "their life") is ZERO

It was as if they never existed to begin with, so it doesn't matter if they die:
They didn't do anything of significance to the world
They didn't do anything of significance to their country
They didn't do anything of significance to their city/town
They didn't do anything of significance to family/friends

MOST IMPORTANTLY - THEY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING OF SIGNIFICANCE TO THEIR OWN LIVES

This is another reason why I hate suicide posts, not only can they not be verified (could just be a troll or an incel who ascended and didn't want to be hated), but its a pathetic and disgusting attempt for that person to "try and matter", taking the lazy way out rather than trying other things to improve their life that they once avoided due to fear of death or jail time

I don't need to see some loser announce their death just to feel better about it nor do I care if they die, so they are just polluting the internet with that shit

TO ANYONE PLANNING ON MAKING A SUICIDE POST:
PLEASE JUST KILL YOURSELF IN SOME QUIET LITTLE CORNER AND BE DONE WITH IT, AND DON'T DUMP YOUR BULLSHIT ON THE REST OF US THAT ARE CHOOSING TO LIVE AND TO KEEP TRYING
I know it might sound like cope but everyone kind of changes the world whether it's in a very minimalistic way or in a big way. Everyone's existence alternates the timeline somehow. Even if it's just kicking a rock or doing something very little and overlooked. Those small actions could lead to something big in the timeline that could have never happened if that small action was never performed.

You could've done or said something that eventually lead to someone doing something that could have lead to someone else doing something and so on... And it had a big impact on the world and it all started with you.

So in theory. We all kinda change the world. Yeah I know it hasn't got much to do with the post. But just saying
 
I know it might sound like cope
Not cope, just 100% false.
So in theory. We all kinda change the world. Yeah I know it hasn't got much to do with the post. But just saying.
No we all don't. There's some kid starving in Africa right now who is 10 minutes away from dying and they will probably be dead before I finish typing this message out. Their life did not matter and they made no impact at all, they spent the few years they had suffering and starving, that's it. Nothing in the world changed because of them.

Some people don't even have extreme circumstances like that and they still make no difference in the world. They aren't even a background character on the canvas of reality, they're a mere silhouette, and outline. When they die there will be no one to remember them and no one how cares, and they had no impact on the world around them, even on a small scale

Elliot Rodger didn't "change the world" because he killed himself. He changed the world because he was bold enough to make the videos he did leaving a record of his suffering behind, and write a detailed manifesto to document his life.

The stats even show that after 2014 mass shootings went up and have continued to increase, so his impact is obvious. But it wasn't because he was attention whoring and trying to get people to know he was going to kill himself.
 
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What if my suicide was an attempt to see what’s on the other side, possibly being a backup plan in the event I decide what I seek is unobtainable in this world? I probably won’t make a goodbye post, but… I’ll likely be leaving if there’s nothing there for me. For 6 years, I desired to be in a better world and made that my goal, to get there no matter what. Why, because whatever it has there is lacking in this world, and I doubt I’ll ever make a difference. Having said that, while I won’t go ER, I am working on a project that’ll explain my thoughts about everything… or a voice of my one true desire.

My act of suicide is not an act of giving up, in fact, it’s more like an ambition that strengthens the more I suffer, especially with the way I intend to execute. Each time I fail in my attempt at crafting my perfect method, I grow stronger and in some way, I bring myself a step closer to getting what I want: to break my limits, to achieve the impossible with the shit cards I’ve been dealt, and to make my dreams a reality.
 
My act of suicide is not an act of giving up, in fact, it’s more like an ambition that strengthens the more I suffer, especially with the way I intend to execute. Each time I fail in my attempt at crafting my perfect method, I grow stronger and in some way, I bring myself a step closer to getting what I want: to break my limits, to achieve the impossible with the shit cards I’ve been dealt, and to make my dreams a reality.
(Reads avatar title) - "Suicidal Alchemist and Dreamer"

Seems like you are coping and betting your entire being on some Isekai fantasy that exists after you die. Sounds like a stupid gamble to me.

Also alchemists strive their entire lives to create the magnum opus, killing yourself is indeed giving up. Ironically one of the reasons many alchemists even tried to create the magnum opus (philosophers stone) was to obtain immortality (not die).

You are definitely giving up, but you are creating your personal cop out excuse ahead of time to rationalize it so you won't feel as bad.
 
(Reads avatar title) - "Suicidal Alchemist and Dreamer"

Seems like you are coping and betting your entire being on some Isekai fantasy that exists after you die. Sounds like a stupid gamble to me.

Also alchemists strive their entire lives to create the magnum opus, killing yourself is indeed giving up. Ironically one of the reasons many alchemists even tried to create the magnum opus (philosophers stone) was to obtain immortality (not die).

You are definitely giving up, but you are creating your personal cop out excuse ahead of time to rationalize it so you won't feel as bad.
Perhaps maybe you’re right… At the same time, I don’t exactly intend to die immediately after crafting my potion and my improvised self-destruct mechanism.

In a roundabout way, I’m finding my own strength in finding a reason to live, if what I seek lies here. I dunno…
I am indeed placing a gamble on my life, but I don’t think I’ll truly die, if I’m able to cheat death in some way and know right away, I may assume control over my life.

If I were to be in a hostage situation, I might actually experiment on it myself, if I were sure I’d truly be killed with no other variables.

Of course, if I can do it through some other means like deep meditation, that’ll be good too. Not death, but through a concept called Dimensional Jumping.

That’s what I’ve been thinking for years, long before I even knew about incelpdom, or became truly sucidal… And for a while, I’ve been practicing on it (until I was unable to due to sickness).
 
I honestly don't blame them all that much, I myself have been called worthless by my own family and have been treated horribly, there are countless threads where I'm begging for attention or trying to be more interesting in general
 

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