Unironically considering roids on top of surgeries

[ionlycopenow]

I'm so low by now that I'm considering having to inject for life and having raisin balls on top of it forever. This is on top of surgeries I'm saving for, one of which would now have to include hair transplants after inevitable roid induced norwooding.

Gay fucking world. If you told me I'd be having to do all of this just to even have a shot of a gf as a kid, I would have went to my local gun store and immediately shot myself knowing it only gets worse and all the lies they told me was just false hope

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

Common side effects of oral steroids include:

• Acne
• Blurred vision
• Cataracts or glaucoma
• Easy bruising
• Difficulty sleeping
• High blood pressure
• Increased appetite, weight gain
• Increased growth of body hair
• Insomnia
• Lower resistance to infection
• Muscle weakness
• Nervousness, restlessness
• Osteoporosis
• Stomach irritation or bleeding
• Sudden mood swings
• Swollen, puffy face
• Water retention, swelling
• Worsening of diabetes

Hair loss and balding is a common risk of constant steroid use.

Also increased risk for necoritizing facitis which is a rare flesh-eating disease. Don't search up pictures of it.

we haven't even factored in the costs.

Anyway, if all this sounds okay to you than go for it.

 

[ionlycopenow]

Common side effects of oral steroids include:

• Acne
• Blurred vision
• Cataracts or glaucoma
• Easy bruising
• Difficulty sleeping
• High blood pressure
• Increased appetite, weight gain
• Increased growth of body hair
• Insomnia
• Lower resistance to infection
• Muscle weakness
• Nervousness, restlessness
• Osteoporosis
• Stomach irritation or bleeding
• Sudden mood swings
• Swollen, puffy face
• Water retention, swelling
• Worsening of diabetes

Hair loss and balding is a common risk of constant steroid use.

Also increased risk for necoritizing facitis which is a rare flesh-eating disease. Don't search up pictures of it.

we haven't even factored in the costs.

Anyway, if all this sounds okay to you than go for it.

I am aware of the side effects. I'm just really desperate at this point.

 

[Koruga]

I see you have too much in mind, how old are you?

 

[ionlycopenow]

I see you have too much in mind, how old are you?

It would not happen all at once. Just one by one at a time.

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

I am aware of the side effects. I'm just really desperate at this point.

Okay.

Just thought i'd share in case. Im still natty and i intend to stay that way. Trying to save you from long term suffering. Its up to you.

 

[ionlycopenow]

Okay.

Just thought i'd share in case. Im still natty and i intend to stay that way. Trying to save you from long term suffering. Its up to you.

"Natty" lifting is and always was a complete joke. Let's be real here, I can't recall the last time in years I saw a guy actually look good off juice.

Also, oral steroids? Come on. Implying that living incel isn't suffering in its own.

 

[Koruga]

It would not happen all at once. Just one by one at a time.

Yes, but how old are you? If you're already close to being a wizard or very close to that, I don't think it's worth it. You could try coping differently.
Ultimately "live how you want", but keep things in mind.

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

"Natty" lifting is and always was a complete joke. Let's be real here, I can't recall the last time in years I saw a guy actually look good off juice.

Also, oral steroids? Come on.

All types of steroid have a risk. Natty lifting is not a joke if you have the genetics for it which clearly you don't. Convincing yourself that the only way to build meaningful muscle is on a drug is cope. Though again its up to you if you want to destroy your body.

 

[ionlycopenow]

All types of steroid have a risk. Natty lifting is not a joke if you have the genetics for it which clearly you don't. Convincing yourself that the only way to build meaningful muscle is on a drug is cope. Though again its up to you if you want to destroy your body.

If you unironically think Natty lifting isn't a joke then that just tells everyone you have a shit physique

I have a good frame and was good at combat sports, doesn't mean I still don't look good off juice just like everyone else. There is no need to be incredibly condescending in trying to deny that by the way.

Yes, but how old are you? If you're already close to being a wizard or very close to that, I don't think it's worth it. You could try coping differently.
Ultimately "live how you want", but keep things in mind.

I'm not quite wizard yet so I am really going to give it my all or just rope

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

If you unironically think Natty lifting isn't a joke then that just tells everyone you have a shit physique

I have a good frame and was good at combat sports, doesn't mean I still don't look good off juice just like everyone else. There is no need to be incredibly condescending in trying to deny that by the way.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. If you don't look good while not on a drug, then i truly am sorry that you have terrible genetics for building muscle. I have seen success personally. If it helps you cope thinking i have a terrible physique then go ahead.

 

[Koruga]

All types of steroid have a risk. Natty lifting is not a joke if you have the genetics for it which clearly you don't. Convincing yourself that the only way to build meaningful muscle is on a drug is cope. Though again its up to you if you want to destroy your body.

What is the "Natty"? I was lifting weights regularly, so I'm interested in that.

 

[ionlycopenow]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. If you don't look good while not on a drug, then i truly am sorry that you have terrible genetics for building muscle. I have seen success personally. If it helps you cope thinking i have a terrible physique then go ahead.

Nobody looks "good" lifting off dope. Nobody. At best you'll look kinda alright /decent, and in most cases you're just fat.

MAJOR delusion and cope to think otherwise. Just tells everyone you're new to lifting and still believe that horseshit. Even when I lifted religiously and did it with guys who played ball, even the best looking results were just being kinda decent. of course the best by far were all doping as usual. That's how it is. Being "decent" or "alright" is a huge waste of time and case of diminishing returns. Natty lifting is a fucking JOKE.

 

[Golden]

What is the "Natty"? I was lifting weights regularly, so I'm interested in that.

someone thats not using any hormones

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

What is the "Natty"? I was lifting weights regularly, so I'm interested in that.

It just means you don't take any performance enhancing drugs, like steroids for instance.

Nobody looks "good" lifting off dope. Nobody. At best you'll look kinda alright /decent, and in most cases you're just fat.

MAJOR delusion and cope to think otherwise. Just tells everyone you're new to lifting and still believe that horseshit.

Whatever helps you cope

 

[ionlycopenow]

It just means you don't take any performance enhancing drugs, like steroids for instance.


Whatever helps you cope

You're the one coping and severely bluepilled if you think anybody actually looks good after gymcelling naturally.

You either get to be a 10 lb twink with abs, a bloated fatty "strongman", or a mediocre mix of both. You'll never look actually good though.

 

[Pennywise]

I'm so low by now that I'm considering having to inject for life and having raisin balls on top of it forever. This is on top of surgeries I'm saving for, one of which would now have to include hair transplants after inevitable roid induced norwooding.

Gay fucking world. If you told me I'd be having to do all of this just to even have a shot of a gf as a kid, I would have went to my local gun store and immediately shot myself knowing it only gets worse and all the lies they told me was just false hope

Bad idea bro. I would just take the black pill. If you are already to the stage where you think injecting a chemical into your body is going to somehow get you dates, when you will still have the same face and small frame, bro, please. Just take the blackpill and don't jack up your whole sexual system to get 2" of biceps. It is over for you.

You could ask your doctor to check your testosterone level. This is safe. If its low, sometimes they can supplement it. But I am not into looxmaxxing at all I am a fucking cripple blackpilled to fuck. Its over for me and I will never have a woman unless I pay for it someday in my incel retirement.

I really recommend abandoning the red pill and coming to the dark side.

 

[Golden]

Nobody looks "good" lifting off dope. Nobody. At best you'll look kinda alright /decent, and in most cases you're just fat.

MAJOR delusion and cope to think otherwise. Just tells everyone you're new to lifting and still believe that horseshit.

It comes down to your expectations, you won't look exceptional without steroids but to say that it's a joke, I disagree
I have been regularly lifting for about 4 years now, and although I am not satisfied with my physique, it is good enough for other people to notice

 

[ionlycopenow]

Bad idea bro. I would just take the black pill. If you are already to the stage where you think injecting a chemical into your body is going to somehow get you dates, when you will still have the same face and small frame, bro, please. Just take the blackpill and don't jack up your whole sexual system to get 2" of biceps. It is over for you.

You could ask your doctor to check your testosterone level. This is safe. If its low, sometimes they can supplement it. But I am not into looxmaxxing at all I am a fucking cripple blackpilled to fuck. Its over for me and I will never have a woman unless I pay for it someday in my incel retirement.

I really recommend abandoning the red pill and coming to the dark side.

I'm not retarded, nor am I redpilled. After years of lifting I know alot about steroids and their side effects.

I don't have a small frame. It's one of my only redeeming physical features.

I plan on (maybe) doing it in accordance with getting a few surgeries that could compound the effects and help ascend.

 

[Koruga]

It just means you don't take any performance enhancing drugs, like steroids for instance.

Oh I see, I didn't know that term. I thought it was a technique or something like that.
I see that you know a lot about lifting weights, I have been lifting weights for a long time and I have developed quite a lot of muscle and strength, but it is hard for me to look "thicker" my appearance is quite thin, can you recommend me something?

 

[Deleted member 24125]

big muscles are overrated

 

[Pennywise]

I'm not retarded, nor am I redpilled. After years of lifting I know alot about steroids and their side effects.

I don't have a small frame. It's one of my only redeeming physical features.

I plan on (maybe) doing it in accordance with getting a few surgeries that could compound the effects and help ascend.

I'm not saying you are retarded at all. But this is redpilled self improvement. I was a redpilled incel for many years. I think if you are still doing self-improvement, you cant really be fully blackpilled. You might be mostly blackpilled, but you are still trying to get that look to get foids. I think when you're totally blackpilled you completely give up on the notion of ever having a foid in your life. Anyway good luck, I meant no harm.

 

[ionlycopenow]

It comes down to your expectations, you won't look exceptional without steroids but to say that it's a joke, I disagree
I have been regularly lifting for about 4 years now, and although I am not satisfied with my physique, it is good enough for other people to notice

It's just diminishing returns and a huge waste of time and money.

I'm not saying you are retarded at all. But this is redpilled self improvement. I was a redpilled incel for many years. I think if you are still doing self-improvement, you cant really be fully blackpilled. You might be mostly blackpilled, but you are still trying to get that look to get foids. I think when you're totally blackpilled you completely give up on the notion of ever having a foid in your life. Anyway good luck, I meant no harm.

How on Earth can you claim im not blackpilled when replying to a post mentioning getting surgeries to solely look better? Juicing would just be another addition on top of it.

 

[sub8male]

I would roid but I’m too scared of the norwooding. I do want a blemioplasty and maybe jaw surgery though. I’m saving for those.

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

Oh I see, I didn't know that term. I thought it was a technique or something like that.
I see that you know a lot about lifting weights, I have been lifting weights for a long time and I have developed quite a lot of muscle and strength, but it is hard for me to look "thicker" my appearance is quite thin, can you recommend me something?

There's no real way to look thicker unless you gain weight as a natural. How tall are you and how much do you weigh? Part of the disadvantage of being natty is that you have to choose between being shredded or being a bit thick.

Are you bulking or cutting right now? And how much of your current mass would you say is muscle.

 

[ionlycopenow]

I would roid but I’m too scared of the norwooding. I do want a blemioplasty and maybe jaw surgery though. I’m saving for those.

Be careful with jaw surgeries, most cases you have to get them replaced a few years later. But a good jaw halos any man hard granted. I'm looking into the options myself.

Hair transplants aren't too expensive, you can easily get one if you start norwooding. Almost all athletes and celebrities do under the radar.

 

[Personalityinkwell]

I would roid but I’m too scared of the norwooding.

Same, norwooding is death sentence

 

[TheGambler2]

Damn I want to hop on roids but risking hair is too much

You're the one coping and severely bluepilled if you think anybody actually looks good after gymcelling naturally.

You either get to be a 10 lb twink with abs, a bloated fatty "strongman", or a mediocre mix of both. You'll never look actually good though.

you can look pretty aesthetic if you have genetics,but like you mentioned there won't be a lot of muscle(unless you permabulk which 90% of lifters do,but not very aesthetic).

 

[ionlycopenow]

Same, norwooding is death sentence

I've always had a high hairline anyway, a fivehead or whatever so if I actually start norwooding it's just more shit on the vomit pile

But even without norwooding I'm going to get a hair transplant to lower my natural shit hairline

 

[ItsOver4cel]

idk if roids will help you that much, what you have to be damn sure about is that you're going to get repercussions

 

[ionlycopenow]

Damn I want to hop on roids but risking hair is too much


you can look pretty aesthetic if you have genetics,but like you mentioned there won't be a lot of muscle(unless you permabulk which 90% of lifters do,but not very aesthetic).

"Looking like you lift" without roids = just being overweight

 

[Golden]

It's just diminishing returns and a huge waste of time and money.

I agree with this, for the effort you put in, the results are very unsatisfactory, especially considering someone with no lifting experience whatsoever could do 2 cycles and obtain a better physique than me
But then again, I would not say that it is pointless, non lifting men occasionally tell me that I am massive, or that I have huge arms, sometimes they ask me to flex my bicep, after all it did have an affect
For the hormone usage, if you really want to, go for it, but it could have severe consequences, if you are willing to inject purely for females I would advice against it, plastic surgery and natural lifting should be enough

 

[TheGambler2]

"Looking like you lift" without roids = just being overweight

unless you are low bf and without a shirt,but most incels wouldn't find themselves in such spot anyway

 

[ionlycopenow]

unless you are low bf and without a shirt,but most incels wouldn't find themselves in such spot anyway

in that case it's just being a twink. Either option is trash

 

[Golden]

in that case it's just being a twink. Either option is trash

It isn't that bad man, I think you are exaggerating

 

[Koruga]

There's no real way to look thicker unless you gain weight as a natural. How tall are you and how much do you weigh? Part of the disadvantage of being natty is that you have to choose between being shredded or being a bit thick.

Are you bulking or cutting right now? And how much of your current mass would you say is muscle.

I am 5'7 and I'm thinking 59 kg.
Due to quarantine I am eating very little, so I would say cutting.
I would say that at least 7 kg are of pure muscle mass.

 

[ionlycopenow]

It isn't that bad man, I think you are exaggerating

I literally have not seen a single person look actually "good" at any gym I've been at in years. It's always either pure mediocrity, twig, or fat.

 

[ihaveno1]

idk if roids will help you that much, what you have to be damn sure about is that you're going to get repercussions

 

[Golden]

I literally have not seen a single person look actually "good" at any gym I've been at in years. It's always either pure mediocrity, twig, or fat.

Interesting, the gym I go to has quite a lot of muscular people, and I doubt any of them juice, at least none of the people I lifted with juice and they looked quite good
But once again it comes down to your standards, what would you consider as a good physique?

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

I am 5'7 and I'm thinking 59 kg.
Due to quarantine I am eating very little, so I would say cutting.
I would say that at least 7 kg are of pure muscle mass.

I would say start a lean bulk. If you're doing cardio already, try and keep it to a minimum, but don't cut it out completely (For your health). Try and train each muscle group at least twice a week, the second time does not have to be of the same intensity. I have a one day for high reps and one for low reps. Hitting each twice a week is a big factor, and has helped me make serious gains.

Is your gym shut down due to the quarantine or do you have a home gym? And whats your daily protein intake?

 

[ionlycopenow]

I would say start a lean bulk. If you're doing cardio already, try and keep it to a minimum, but don't cut it out completely (For your health). Try and train each muscle group at least twice a week, the second time does not have to be of the same intensity. I have a one day for high reps and one for low reps. Hitting each twice a week is a big factor, and has helped me make serious gains.

Is your gym shut down due to the quarantine or do you have a home gym? And whats your daily protein intake?

Absolutely useless meme beginner tier advice, you're leading him into a long path of a waste of time.

Interesting, the gym I go to has quite a lot of muscular people, and I doubt any of them juice, at least none of the people I lifted with juice and they looked quite good
But once again it comes down to your standards, what would you consider as a good physique?

Being visibly muscular while actually lean, as in with visible abs

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

Absolutely useless meme beginner tier advice, you're leading him into a long path of a waste of time.

Again whatever helps you cope.

If its meme tier advice then ignore it and move on, it's not for you

 

[ionlycopenow]

Again whatever helps you cope.

If its meme tier advice then ignore it and move on, it's not for you

whenever someone tries to unironically recommend someone "lean bulks", let alone to a total beginner , you can bet you have a clown on your hands who is just gonna keep spouting meme shit

 

[Golden]

I would say start a lean bulk. If you're doing cardio already, try and keep it to a minimum, but don't cut it out completely (For your health). Try and train each muscle group at least twice a week, the second time does not have to be of the same intensity. I have a one day for high reps and one for low reps. Hitting each twice a week is a big factor, and has helped me make serious gains.

Is your gym shut down due to the quarantine or do you have a home gym? And whats your daily protein intake?

I have noticed that increasing frequency is far more effective than increasing volume, I follow a similar routine, but I train certain muscles every day, and the difference has been tremendous, if you havent tried it already, try doing 5-6 sets of side lateral raises every day, I have noticed tremendous growth from this over a year

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

whenever someone tries to unironically recommend someone "lean bulks", let alone to a total beginner , you can bet you have a clown on your hands who is just gonna keep spouting meme shit

Yeah you're going on ignore.

 

[Deleted member 20811]

"Natty" lifting is and always was a complete joke. Let's be real here, I can't recall the last time in years I saw a guy actually look good off juice.

Also, oral steroids? Come on. Implying that living incel isn't suffering in its own.

Gaining size natty is a joke tbh. You'll only look "good" or "impressive" to noobs who don't lift (even people on this forum who say they're blackpilled JFL).

Unless you train for strength, its a complete waste of time. Bodybuilding is shit. Natties will benefit much more from powerlifting training.

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

I have noticed that increasing frequency is far more effective than increasing volume, I follow a similar routine, but I train certain muscles every day, and the difference has been tremendous, if you havent tried it already, try doing 5-6 sets of side lateral raises every day, I have noticed tremendous growth from this over a year

Nice to see a fellow lifter. Have you seen an increase in tendinitis by training every day? I usually leave at least 24-48 hours rest for each muscle to avoid it, (I get tendinitis in my chest very easily). Also how do your shoulders feel after 5-6 sets of side lats a day?

I might try that out with lighter weight.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Common side effects of oral steroids include:

• Acne
• Blurred vision
• Cataracts or glaucoma
• Easy bruising
• Difficulty sleeping
• High blood pressure
• Increased appetite, weight gain
• Increased growth of body hair
• Insomnia
• Lower resistance to infection
• Muscle weakness
• Nervousness, restlessness
• Osteoporosis
• Stomach irritation or bleeding
• Sudden mood swings
• Swollen, puffy face
• Water retention, swelling
• Worsening of diabetes

Hair loss and balding is a common risk of constant steroid use.

Also increased risk for necoritizing facitis which is a rare flesh-eating disease. Don't search up pictures of it.

we haven't even factored in the costs.

Anyway, if all this sounds okay to you than go for it.

Cope if u get those side effects, your genes are trash regardless.

 

[AlexanderTheGreat11]

Luck

 

[ThoughtfulCel]

Cope if u get those side effects, your genes are trash regardless.

Im not gonna bother risking it lmao