SuicideFuel Truecel trait: You were a "pervasive victim"

[The Notorious SLAV]

Brutal. I haven't even tried of this and how many differences there are between people who get bullied that get clouded by all of that being described in the same way, but this describes my experiences perfectly. I don't know how representative this is outside of the community that comprised its sample, but if only 10% of bullied kids fit into that category, then that's brutal. I mean, I was the only kid out of a hundred or two that was always alone at recess, so obviously there isn't a legion of people with my experiences, but still. It's wild to think that 90% of people who claim to have been bullied have only experienced it in certain places, and not the entire school and from everyone.

Five victim classes emerged: “Marginal victims” (29.3%), “Outpowered victims” (28.2%), “Classroom-specific victims” (16.7%), “Hallway-specific victims” (16.8%), and “Pervasive victims” (9%). Results of logistic regression revealed that “Outpowered victims” and “Pervasive victims” were significantly more likely to exhibit maladaptive behaviors such as avoidance and fear, but only the “Pervasive victims” group showed an increased likelihood of carrying weapons to school, compared to the “Marginal victims” group.

Tfw I didn't carry weapons to school despite having reasons and a full right to do so.

No Safe Space at School: Exploring Power Dynamics, Bullying Locations, and Maladaptive Behaviors Among US Adolescents - Journal of Youth and Adolescence

School bullying is not merely a random event but rather involves intricate power dynamics in each bullying event. However, less is known about whether this power asymmetry could lead to different spatial patterns of bullying within the school environment, contributing to distinct perceptions of...

link.springer.com

 

[taoistcel]

lol

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

lol

Grayest reply of the day

 

[taoistcel]

Grayest reply of the day

just said "lol" cause it rings true to me

yea it doesn't matter where you go , people are people everywhere. and yes if you're bullied somewhere, then you're bound to be bullied elsewhere too because people are people

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

just said "lol" cause it rings true to me

yea it doesn't matter where you go , people are people everywhere. and yes if you're bullied somewhere, then you're bound to be bullied elsewhere too because people are people

I see. Well, it did come across as dismissive

 

[taoistcel]

I see. Well, it did come across as dismissive

haha. yea nah been through it too. just gotta subvert them

 

[AtrociousCitizen]

Brutal. I haven't even tried of this and how many differences there are between people who get bullied that get clouded by all of that being described in the same way, but this describes my experiences perfectly. I don't know how representative this is outside of the community that comprised its sample, but if only 10% of bullied kids fit into that category, then that's brutal. I mean, I was the only kid out of a hundred or two that was always alone at recess, so obviously there isn't a legion of people with my experiences, but still. It's wild to think that 90% of people who claim to have been bullied have only experienced it in certain places, and not the entire school and from everyone.



Tfw I didn't carry weapons to school despite having reasons and a full right to do so.

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No Safe Space at School: Exploring Power Dynamics, Bullying Locations, and Maladaptive Behaviors Among US Adolescents - Journal of Youth and Adolescence

School bullying is not merely a random event but rather involves intricate power dynamics in each bullying event. However, less is known about whether this power asymmetry could lead to different spatial patterns of bullying within the school environment, contributing to distinct perceptions of...

link.springer.com

Yep. This makes sense. Most people who say they were "bullied" just had one kid call them a name once in the hallway. They still had friends and a relatively normal social life.

 

[4sez]

yea it doesn't matter where you go , people are people everywhere. and yes if you're bullied somewhere, then you're bound to be bullied elsewhere too because people are people

 

[taoistcel]

mogz

 

[INVERTER]

Even in elementary I never had friends at recess. Doomed from the start

 

[Spiteful Mutant]

Describes my upbringing and experience in school to a T.

 

[Spiteful Mutant]

Doomed from the start

True. Never even stood a chance.

 

[EcstasyCel]

It was bad for me duh because the bullying wouldn't even stop during vacation... no wonder my first shot at suicide was at age 13.

 

[GeckoBus]

Brutal. I haven't even tried of this and how many differences there are between people who get bullied that get clouded by all of that being described in the same way, but this describes my experiences perfectly. I don't know how representative this is outside of the community that comprised its sample, but if only 10% of bullied kids fit into that category, then that's brutal. I mean, I was the only kid out of a hundred or two that was always alone at recess, so obviously there isn't a legion of people with my experiences, but still. It's wild to think that 90% of people who claim to have been bullied have only experienced it in certain places, and not the entire school and from everyone.



Tfw I didn't carry weapons to school despite having reasons and a full right to do so.

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No Safe Space at School: Exploring Power Dynamics, Bullying Locations, and Maladaptive Behaviors Among US Adolescents - Journal of Youth and Adolescence

School bullying is not merely a random event but rather involves intricate power dynamics in each bullying event. However, less is known about whether this power asymmetry could lead to different spatial patterns of bullying within the school environment, contributing to distinct perceptions of...

link.springer.com

I did think about killing myself by making drugs out of pipe cleaner and dish soap but I was too low IQ to understand chemistry. But yeah, I also made a thread about bullying being bullshit for most people. When normies speak of being bullied they mostly mean that they bullied some outcast and then that outcast stopped because the entire group came down on him. Basically if you consult your graph, the people with the least bullying conflate the pervasive victims as attackers, aka bullies. They identify low status men as threats and then collectively display hostility towards them until they just hide and rot, at which point they go aha, bully successful defeated. In reality they just contributed to the pervasive bullying pattern.

One key question to understand how this works in peoples minds: Ask yourself, can you do anything without feeling that your action is justified? Can you imagine doing anything without justification? It's impossible. So when they bully subhumans, they dont think "haha im hurting this guy on purpose haha" they are actually justified in their own head. They see the victim as deserving of victimhood - as an aggressor.

HALO EFFECT - Victimized employees are seen as bullies despite exemplary performance, actual bullies get a pass

There's an article that covers this paper, i'll copy paste some important parts. tl;dr Victims of workplace mistreatment may also be seen as bullies themselves, even if they've never engaged in such behavior, and despite exemplary performance. Bullies, on the other hand, may be given a pass if...

incels.is

Normies view Victim as Bully - The truth about "Just Punch The Bully in the Face"

Normies always say "I got bullied but then I punched the bully really hard and they stopped." Anyone who has been bullied knows this is bullshit. Bullies usually punch down and it's usually multiple bullies. If you get bullied, it's probably all of society bullying you (looks work universally)...

incels.is

 

[deleted dude]

Brutal. I haven't even tried of this and how many differences there are between people who get bullied that get clouded by all of that being described in the same way, but this describes my experiences perfectly. I don't know how representative this is outside of the community that comprised its sample, but if only 10% of bullied kids fit into that category, then that's brutal. I mean, I was the only kid out of a hundred or two that was always alone at recess, so obviously there isn't a legion of people with my experiences, but still. It's wild to think that 90% of people who claim to have been bullied have only experienced it in certain places, and not the entire school and from everyone.



Tfw I didn't carry weapons to school despite having reasons and a full right to do so.

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No Safe Space at School: Exploring Power Dynamics, Bullying Locations, and Maladaptive Behaviors Among US Adolescents - Journal of Youth and Adolescence

School bullying is not merely a random event but rather involves intricate power dynamics in each bullying event. However, less is known about whether this power asymmetry could lead to different spatial patterns of bullying within the school environment, contributing to distinct perceptions of...

link.springer.com

Pervasive victim here

 

[GeckoBus]

 

[deleted dude]

I did think about killing myself by making drugs out of pipe cleaner and dish soap but I was too low IQ to understand chemistry. But yeah, I also made a thread about bullying being bullshit for most people. When normies speak of being bullied they mostly mean that they bullied some outcast and then that outcast stopped because the entire group came down on him. Basically if you consult your graph, the people with the least bullying conflate the pervasive victims as attackers, aka bullies. They identify low status men as threats and then collectively display hostility towards them until they just hide and rot, at which point they go aha, bully successful defeated. In reality they just contributed to the pervasive bullying pattern.

One key question to understand how this works in peoples minds: Ask yourself, can you do anything without feeling that your action is justified? Can you imagine doing anything without justification? It's impossible. So when they bully subhumans, they dont think "haha im hurting this guy on purpose haha" they are actually justified in their own head. They see the victim as deserving of victimhood - as an aggressor.

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HALO EFFECT - Victimized employees are seen as bullies despite exemplary performance, actual bullies get a pass

There's an article that covers this paper, i'll copy paste some important parts. tl;dr Victims of workplace mistreatment may also be seen as bullies themselves, even if they've never engaged in such behavior, and despite exemplary performance. Bullies, on the other hand, may be given a pass if...

incels.is

Normies view Victim as Bully - The truth about "Just Punch The Bully in the Face"

Normies always say "I got bullied but then I punched the bully really hard and they stopped." Anyone who has been bullied knows this is bullshit. Bullies usually punch down and it's usually multiple bullies. If you get bullied, it's probably all of society bullying you (looks work universally)...

incels.is

Basically another case of horn effect: the ugly sob must have done something wrong to get bullied. There must be something that he did. It couldn't be that the attractive dudes (halo-effect) bullied him for no reason at all.

 

[deleted dude]

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HALO EFFECT - Victimized employees are seen as bullies despite exemplary performance, actual bullies get a pass

There's an article that covers this paper, i'll copy paste some important parts. tl;dr Victims of workplace mistreatment may also be seen as bullies themselves, even if they've never engaged in such behavior, and despite exemplary performance. Bullies, on the other hand, may be given a pass if...

incels.is

Normies view Victim as Bully - The truth about "Just Punch The Bully in the Face"

Normies always say "I got bullied but then I punched the bully really hard and they stopped." Anyone who has been bullied knows this is bullshit. Bullies usually punch down and it's usually multiple bullies. If you get bullied, it's probably all of society bullying you (looks work universally)...

incels.is

But it's all in your head that people are after you for being ugly and autistic according to therapists, psychologists, normies, chads, and foids. It's all because of how you act inkwell

 

[deleted dude]

Grayest reply of the day

also got the ban hammer already

 

[Chud Norris72]

Even in elementary I never had friends at recess. Doomed from the start

I know that

 

[TheSlavicCel]

Truecel reality. I was always bullied and treated like shit since my childhood.

 

[Sir Silentium]

I did think about killing myself by making drugs out of pipe cleaner and dish soap but I was too low IQ to understand chemistry. But yeah, I also made a thread about bullying being bullshit for most people. When normies speak of being bullied they mostly mean that they bullied some outcast and then that outcast stopped because the entire group came down on him. Basically if you consult your graph, the people with the least bullying conflate the pervasive victims as attackers, aka bullies. They identify low status men as threats and then collectively display hostility towards them until they just hide and rot, at which point they go aha, bully successful defeated. In reality they just contributed to the pervasive bullying pattern.

One key question to understand how this works in peoples minds: Ask yourself, can you do anything without feeling that your action is justified? Can you imagine doing anything without justification? It's impossible. So when they bully subhumans, they dont think "haha im hurting this guy on purpose haha" they are actually justified in their own head. They see the victim as deserving of victimhood - as an aggressor.

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HALO EFFECT - Victimized employees are seen as bullies despite exemplary performance, actual bullies get a pass

There's an article that covers this paper, i'll copy paste some important parts. tl;dr Victims of workplace mistreatment may also be seen as bullies themselves, even if they've never engaged in such behavior, and despite exemplary performance. Bullies, on the other hand, may be given a pass if...

incels.is

Normies view Victim as Bully - The truth about "Just Punch The Bully in the Face"

Normies always say "I got bullied but then I punched the bully really hard and they stopped." Anyone who has been bullied knows this is bullshit. Bullies usually punch down and it's usually multiple bullies. If you get bullied, it's probably all of society bullying you (looks work universally)...

incels.is

GeckoBus this reply deserves a post on its own. It feels too good to go practically unnoticed.
I've been bookmarking all your replies to re-read

 

[Sir Silentium]

Brutal. I haven't even tried of this and how many differences there are between people who get bullied that get clouded by all of that being described in the same way, but this describes my experiences perfectly. I don't know how representative this is outside of the community that comprised its sample, but if only 10% of bullied kids fit into that category, then that's brutal. I mean, I was the only kid out of a hundred or two that was always alone at recess, so obviously there isn't a legion of people with my experiences, but still. It's wild to think that 90% of people who claim to have been bullied have only experienced it in certain places, and not the entire school and from everyone.



Tfw I didn't carry weapons to school despite having reasons and a full right to do so.

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No Safe Space at School: Exploring Power Dynamics, Bullying Locations, and Maladaptive Behaviors Among US Adolescents - Journal of Youth and Adolescence

School bullying is not merely a random event but rather involves intricate power dynamics in each bullying event. However, less is known about whether this power asymmetry could lead to different spatial patterns of bullying within the school environment, contributing to distinct perceptions of...

link.springer.com

I am a pervasive victim too unfortunately.
I would go into lots more depth but I have a post that goes into my experiences:

My Worst Interactions (physical)

At the end of last year, I had a word document at 15 pages (around 6000 words) from every negative interaction I had since I was around 16/17 years old. When transferring computers I lost the document and was never able to publish the final product onto .is. But I can still recall some of the...

incels.is

 

[GeckoBus]

GeckoBus this reply deserves a post on its own. It feels too good to go practically unnoticed.
I've been bookmarking all your replies to re-read

KEK aight oh, while reading this I thought of an example. So I worked this job and old guy who also was pervasive bullying victim type nigga (told me his entire lifestory before retiring, brutal shit) warned me that entire staff is talking shit about me behind my back and said I should leave. But what people from staff told me was like "OMG WE KNOW YOU DONT LIKE US OMG" - basically making me the attacker, which makes no sense because it was like 40 people vs me.

It's like when you have splinter in your finger, the body tries to reject it by creating inflammation. People organically respond to unwanted elements like a hivemind, which is why we end up rotting away from people. This is then inverted by normies into the claim that loosers avoid social interaction on purpose because they lack social skills. In reality, they avoid socializing because they have have developed superior, not inferior social skills. It's well known that people that grow up in abusive environments are more atuned to threat-cues (hyper-vigilance). Like being able to tell someones mood from how they walk etc because their parents were abusive. Why wouldnt this apply to bullying?

Bully victims learn to read the room faster, to spot cues of danger or hostility quicker. They are better at reading people not worse. If you live in australia with dangerous spiders, you learn to be hyper-vigilant around spiders. And if you grow up with pervasive bullying, every interaction becomes a gauntlet run of you trying to read and analyse people so you can doge hostility.

New Research Finds Lonely People Have Superior Social Skills

NPR:Intuitively, many of us might think lonely people are lonely because they have poor social skills. New research turns this thinking on its head and offers a potential cure for loneliness.A number of experiments find, …

www.psychologicalscience.org

The reason is simple: When you are in bad situation you begin brainstorming about the situation, solutions, you go into hyper-analysis mode. You dont just self-isolate. You try to fawn, appeal to people, jestermax etc. If you experience pervasive resistance for long time, irrespective of how you dress, talk, act or what kind of people you try to hang out with, the obvious conclusion is that something about you like your looks is the problem. So self-isolation comes after a long process of trial-error and evaluating your options. Nobody wants to actually self isolate if socializing feels healthy and pleasurable to them. And you can further see this because isolated men rarely just sit in solitary confinement style room and just stare at wall. They find online niche communities and talk to people there, like us on the forum.

This forum is us trying to replicate what normies have IRL - a normal group feeling that gives you internal stability and security.

 

[Sir Silentium]

KEK aight oh, while reading this I thought of an example. So I worked this job and old guy who also was pervasive bullying victim type nigga (told me his entire lifestory before retiring, brutal shit) warned me that entire staff is talking shit about me behind my back and said I should leave. But what people from staff told me was like "OMG WE KNOW YOU DONT LIKE US OMG" - basically making me the attacker, which makes no sense because it was like 40 people vs me.

It's like when you have splinter in your finger, the body tries to reject it by creating inflammation. People organically respond to unwanted elements like a hivemind, which is why we end up rotting away from people. This is then inverted by normies into the claim that loosers avoid social interaction on purpose because they lack social skills. In reality, they avoid socializing because they have have developed superior, not inferior social skills. It's well known that people that grow up in abusive environments are more atuned to threat-cues (hyper-vigilance). Like being able to tell someones mood from how they walk etc because their parents were abusive. Why wouldnt this apply to bullying?

Bully victims learn to read the room faster, to spot cues of danger or hostility quicker. They are better at reading people not worse. If you live in australia with dangerous spiders, you learn to be hyper-vigilant around spiders. And if you grow up with pervasive bullying, every interaction becomes a gauntlet run of you trying to read and analyse people so you can doge hostility.

New Research Finds Lonely People Have Superior Social Skills

NPR:Intuitively, many of us might think lonely people are lonely because they have poor social skills. New research turns this thinking on its head and offers a potential cure for loneliness.A number of experiments find, …

www.psychologicalscience.org

The reason is simple: When you are in bad situation you begin brainstorming about the situation, solutions, you go into hyper-analysis mode. You dont just self-isolate. You try to fawn, appeal to people, jestermax etc. If you experience pervasive resistance for long time, irrespective of how you dress, talk, act or what kind of people you try to hang out with, the obvious conclusion is that something about you like your looks is the problem. So self-isolation comes after a long process of trial-error and evaluating your options. Nobody wants to actually self isolate if socializing feels healthy and pleasurable to them. And you can further see this because isolated men rarely just sit in solitary confinement style room and just stare at wall. They find online niche communities and talk to people there, like us on the forum.

This forum is us trying to replicate what normies have IRL - a normal group feeling that gives you internal stability and security.

So true
You are very well-read, GeckoBus. I admire your reasoning and your examples are always excellent.
The way you structure your responses makes everything so easy to read.

And the last part fits perfectly into the response:

This forum is us trying to replicate what normies have IRL - a normal group feeling that gives you internal stability and security.

 

[Ramiel]

Brutal. I haven't even tried of this and how many differences there are between people who get bullied that get clouded by all of that being described in the same way, but this describes my experiences perfectly. I don't know how representative this is outside of the community that comprised its sample, but if only 10% of bullied kids fit into that category, then that's brutal. I mean, I was the only kid out of a hundred or two that was always alone at recess, so obviously there isn't a legion of people with my experiences, but still. It's wild to think that 90% of people who claim to have been bullied have only experienced it in certain places, and not the entire school and from everyone.



Tfw I didn't carry weapons to school despite having reasons and a full right to do so.

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No Safe Space at School: Exploring Power Dynamics, Bullying Locations, and Maladaptive Behaviors Among US Adolescents - Journal of Youth and Adolescence

School bullying is not merely a random event but rather involves intricate power dynamics in each bullying event. However, less is known about whether this power asymmetry could lead to different spatial patterns of bullying within the school environment, contributing to distinct perceptions of...

link.springer.com

What does pervasive bullying specifically mean? I’m too low IQ to read the article

 

[nihilum]

Truecel reality. I was always bullied and treated like shit since my childhood.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

What does pervasive bullying specifically mean? I’m too low IQ to read the article

That graph sums it up pretty well. Basically just being bullied everywhere in school and being mogged by your bullies in every area that matters (popularity, money, etc.)

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