Incel TV had unpaid sex?
@Zer0/∞ notice how the definition didn’t include being non-NT
You're right.
So why are you trying define 'incelibate men' by whether a foid has talked to them or not? That makes no fucking sense.
The meme makes fun of anti-mgtow nazis
Incel stands for involuntarily celibate, as simple as it gets, but still causes constant fighting in the community
I don't trust mentalcels, but the definition DOES mention ableism
No, he has a video about a betabuxxer getting divorced raped, he called the betabuxx phantomcel
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And that's how it should be. We should all be objective about the definition and not applying meaning to it through the lens of our own inceldom.
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The wiki doesn't properly define it, it just States the positions of opposing sides. My definition is objective as well
Fuck no. Hell no. Absolutely not. If you have had consensual sexual contact with a female for free you are NOT an incel. It is that easy. Inceldom is like virginity, you don't regain membership. Once a female has expressed sexual desire for you, even ONCE, you are already drastically different from the rest of the community. I absolutely will NOT allow past sex-havers to identify as incel. Debates can be had about every other point, but not this one. Free consensual sex = not incel, and can never be an incel.
Define rich. Also, this depends. Any middle-class incel could, perhaps in theory, import a third world woman or just pick up a crack addict and they'll happily move in with you and fuck you. You don't have to be "rich" to do this. However, this obviously isn't ascension because these women would not actually desire you. It would be no different to escortcelling.
3rd world brides, imported brides and arranged marriages are just crypto-escortceling and they don't count as ascension because they eliminate all standards. Betabuxxing counts as ascension because there is still a threshold before you can do it. Five foot one manlets cannot betabux the modern women who have plenty of her own money anyway.
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Stating the position of all sides and addressing the term from all points of view is literally being objective. Your definition is adding conditions and that's where it leads to potential nuance, which then leads to splintering and factions.
It does an excellent job of defining it without "purity spiraling" and hair-splitting.
It adds conditions as well by making it heterosexual only. It adds nuance by differenciating between standardcels and mentalcels. Read it again.
Rampant divorce makes it harder to tell the difference between betabuxx and cuckbuxx. Maybe rising hypergamy causes betabuxxes to be redefined as sub-Normie, causing divorce
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I did. It's doing the exact thing I'm talking about: splitting hairs i.e., creating unnecessary distinctions, which then create internal divisions.
nobody calls them phantomcels or marriedcels or mstowcel
they are called mgtow, it's a slight insult as mgtow basically grew from reddit and despite claiming it was for anyone was 99% retarded boomers who stupidly trusted foids enough to get married and got divorce raped
if someone here was retarded enough to get married and then divorce raped, they deserve to get called mgtow
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And here we are. The beating heart of the issue.
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Shitskin moment.
I'm saying the wiki definition doesn't split hairs, while yours does. It just gives a general outline of how normies define incels, how academics define incels, and how incels define themselves in the "incelosphere." The wiki doesn't go into the specifics into the fringe normie definitions you'd find on subreddits, or go into the definitions you'd find in places like these forums, because those distinctions are generally irrelevant and only result in both in-group and out-group splintering. How Vice and Buzzfeed define incels are not how Discord normies define incels. Likewise, how one incel forum defines incels are not necessarily how another forum would define it, hence why you have different rules and member compositions.
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I've read what you said multiple times from top to bottom, and it is clear that you're bullshitting me because you can't admit you were wrong. You may have an incel face but you are clearly normie brained. May @13k have mercy on your soul.
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No, that's a problem you seem to be having. You're subjectively defining something and then drawing a circle around it saying anything else isn't the objective definition. Anyone can make any shit up and stick their own flag in it. That doesn't make it true or compel others to follow along. That's why the wiki's definition is fine and this is cope.
Dreams of incelistan has gotten into your head too deeply. KEK
Few things to OP and other posters
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1. Betabux is a long term prostitution, so a married man also may be considered incel.
2. Richcel also can be incel. I shared a story here about a guy who married a poor stacy, his oneitis. Everything was fine, until a worker chad came to the house to fix something. He said that she never looked at him like she looked at this guy. So, if there is a reason for her to marry him, and it's not sexual lust - he is an incel.
3. Another guy: A very smart but very ugly and short Ashkenazi Jew who married a gentile gigastacy. She told him that the only reason she married him was to have smart kids. I'm not sure if it's a validation or not. What would you say?
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1. Betabux is a long term prostitution, so a married man also may be considered incel.
2. Richcel also can be incel. I shared a story here about a guy who married a poor stacy, his oneitis. Everything was fine, until a worker chad came to the house to fix something. He said that she never looked at him like she looked at this guy. So, if there is a reason for her to marry him, and it's not sexual lust - he is an incel.
3. Another guy: A very smart but very ugly and short Ashkenazi Jew who married a gentile gigastacy. She told him that the only reason she married him was to have smart kids. I'm not sure if it's a validation or not. What would you say?
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This is where we'd have the largest disagreement on the forum, I think. I'd argue, like @sneed (not chuck) , that married people can't be incel, since I think inceldom is not a dynamic state.
If we were to suppose that it is, then we'd have all sorts of issues about timing, relationship type, and all sorts of other minutiae.
These two are classic cases of Briffault's law. If a woman picks you for any reason, even just a paycheck, and offers sex in return, it doesn't fall into the static state definition of incel.
You may call this glorified prostitution or betabuxxing, but the fact is that she offered you herself voluntarily outside of a strict, explicitly stated, business relationship (sex for money).
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What's up Rammsteincel. Deutchland music video was a banger with the space suits.
The difference between betabuxx and marriedcel is hard to define. Women are more likely to cuckold shorter and uglier partners. They are more likely to abort children from ugly men. They are more likely to have an exit plan and divorce plan ready in advance.
Difference between marriedcel and betabuxx is like difference between goldfish versus golden labrador
Your example in point 3 is a real head spinner. I am at a loss for words. When I was bluepilled and ignorant, I would have considered it the highest compliment from a woman. Now? Not so sure. It certainly puts a hole in my argument.
By the way, how was marriage in GDR?
Taking a "Marxist-Rogerist" POV on Inceldom IS dividing the community.
I think that you are trying to see how big a fraction of the community you can gather around your "Marxist-Rodgerist" agenda by using the old "let's be united" trick (have you ever noticed how often the word "united" appears in the names of political parties?)
So indeed, you ARE trying to divide the community.
Nigga what, how is reasoning with people "dividing the community"
I'm an old /r9k/fag and we always used to talk about the Beta Revolution
You are not "reasoning", you are propagandizing. Did you read Lenin, Stalin and Mao? Don't you want to own up to your masters?
What the fuck are you talking about? What words am I using that makes this propaganda? You're just tone policing me
And I have read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, and Mao, even though they were gynocentric I still admire them partially, go ahead and read my earliest posts on this website, I hide nothing and am 100% open
I am just saying that if you say "I am a Marxist" and display the portraits of Lenin, Stalin and Mao, you are immediately suspect of being a propagandist. These three never pretended they were just "reasoners", they were engaging in propaganda from the get go. If you don't own up to that, there is no way you can be honest.
Then you have to accept that propaganda (or "agit-prop") was always at the heart of Marxism-Leninism and its derivatives. "Simple reasoning" was never on the menu. They even disparaged it as "bourgeois philosophizing"
But Marxists developed their own school of philosophy and debated other schools as well as themselves ...
Whatever bro. Call me whatever. I consider my work to be the incel version of Stalin's "Marxism and the National Question". Read it sometime.
They're literally in my signature
It’s not about affording an escort. It’s the fact that I’d rather not sabotage my virginity for some used up whore dumbass
Both escortcels and wizardcels will get virgin wives in Incelistan
saying that escortcels should be banned because they paid prostitute for sex is like saying cancer patients don't really have cancer because they paid chemotherapy to mitigate it
I think is more comprehensive explanation to be used in arguments
A lot of the purity spiralling that comes from two places:
1. Fakecels bragging
2. Incels internalising accusations of "not trying hard enough" and gatekeeping to feel justified in inceldom.
Right, but after chemotherapy and with enough treatment they’re lucky enough to beat cancer. And guess what? They no longer have cancer.
I can't have have children and share life experiences with a prostitute you retarded dimwit nigger
You still had sex though. The same way people in relationships do.
You may not have felt the same connection, but you still fucked her pussy and made her orgasm the same way you would in a relationship.
Does that mean if you get a girlfriend, you fuck, you never loved her so you break up, get another one, repeat, etc… that you’re still an incel just because you never loved any of the girls you were with?
It’s not that difficult to comprehend.
Some escortcels report leaving feeling worse after losing their virginity to a whore. Escorts are not ascension necessarily. Not all escortcels are Dan Blitzerian or something.
Inceldom is about the validation of being sexually, romantically, genetically desired. Maybe we should rename the incel community to the genetically undesired community.
Incels cant make prostitutes orgasm. they're either lesbians or Chad only. Women become prostitutes so they can afford to date poor Chad.
Pimps are basically Chads who reverse betabuxx.
See, now that’s an argument we can make. But if you want me to believe some 60 year old guy who has never talked to/ had sex with a female in his life is the same as the 20 year old who has sex with an escort every week is the same then that’s when I beg to differ.
That was the whole premise of inceldom. It wasn’t until recently that these exceptions were apparently being made.
It’s why even back in the r/braincels era whenever a guy mentioned he talked to a foid he was banned and called a chad by all the comments
I was one of the mods on braincels, calling dudes Chad for ordering McDonalds from a female cash handler was an in-joke and not proof of fakeceldom
KHHV incels suffer more than escortcels, I think everyone including escortcels can agree on that, after all, escortcels escortcel to partially alleviate their suffering
George Sodini was an incel in my book
No because if I lived the childless smash and dash womanizer lifestyle I wouldn't be an incel because in that scenarios those women actually like me, unlike prostitute which leaves the minute after her rental agreement expires
Chads with inheritable genetic disorders are still Chad, never incel. Justin Bieber will never be incel.
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