Serious To Incels Who Refuse To Pay For Sex Year After Year, How Do You Plan On Sexually Satisfying A Woman When (IF) You Ascend?

[BlkPillPres]

Either she's a virgin aswell or then I'll die a virgin. No big deal. If I'm an inexperienced virgin in my mid twenties then I can easily go another 20 years as an inexperienced virgin

Translation: My libido is dead

The fact that you said you can "EASILY GO ANOTHER 20 YEARS" is all the evidence I need for that lol. I actually planned on killing myself because the yearning got so strong, and you are saying its going to be "easy", sorry, your libido is not normal, its pretty much dead.

Your libido isn't even at average levels if you can say that

By dickmaxxing. My future 9x6 > all of your experience

You are not the only guy dickmaxxing either.

Of course for me wealthmaxxing takes priority right now, can't escortcel anyways if I'm not wealthmaxxed (well not the way I want to).

There just aren't hot ones in my city

Oh yeah sure, ALL of the whores in an ENTIRE FUCKING CITY aren't even remotely attractive

Its not just you having ironically unrealistic standards

Like I said before:

I swear some of you guys speak as if you aren't aware of your own situation, beggars can't be choosers

 

[Deleted member 19971]

By ascending with a virgin female, you dumb piece of shit retarded nigger

 

[BlkPillPres]

By ascending with a virgin female, you dumb piece of shit retarded nigger

Good luck with that.

Are you living in Mexico?, because you'll need to date a 12 year old if you plan on ascending with a virgin in these times.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

Yes thats true. And now the government wants to automatically send buyers to prison for buying sex lol... but the law will probably not be passed because there is no majority in the parliament. Only the left party, socialdemocrats and green party is in favour of the law proposition.

But 200 dollars is not really a big deal. You get quality and good service in a discrete nice apartment.

What about Right Wingers? Are they against it? If they're the majority why hasn't it been repealed yet?

 

[NothinButAComedy]

I don't ever see myself with an escort having sex with a used pussy is gross

 

[genma]

If only men with giant dicks were in relationships and having sex, the population would not be growing at this rate

I think you're being very dishonest. In your OP you said that I wont be able to give women "what they're accustomed to"

I responded by stating what women are accustomed to (and you know full well that I'm right - women are promiscuous, so they have access to many chads, and they form FWB relationships with big-dick chads - THAT is what they're "accustomed to")

So now you've moved the goalposts and say "average men get relationship."

Yes, average men get relationships for a number of reason (usually just money) but that's irrelevant. Your OP is about satisfying women by providing "what they're accustomed to" - your OP is NOT about what women will settle for when they are kicked off the cock carousel.

Fact: women are accustomed to big-dick chads

Fact: no amount of prostitute experience will turn me into this

Giving a woman an orgasm, has more to do with the angle you fuck her at and the rhythm of your thrusts than the size of your penis

citation needed

it just so happens that having a large penis usually translates to having significant girth, so you can hit the g spot effortlessly

lol at you contradicting yourself. "It has more to do with A than with B, it's just that if you have B you don't need A at all - you succeed effortlessly"

Kind of sounds like it has more to do with B then, huh

but a man with 5 inches can hit a woman's g spot too, he just has to "know what he's doing"

If that were true, then women would be meming skill instead of dick size. Can you show even one example of a woman who says her man has a 5 inch dick but is the best sex of her life? Can you show even one example of a woman saying she's cheating on her big dick man with a man whose dick is 5 inches but he's oh so experienced?

It's starting to sound like you're full of shit.

Also you can stimulate the clitoris with your fingers, you don't need to use your mouth (the g spot too)

And I need to learn to rub a clit from a prostitute?? I couldn't learn that in like five minutes from a girlfriend??

What was your point again? Your point is that I must gain experience from a prostitute in anticipation of one day having a girlfriend, right? In the interest of having a meaningful discussion, I'll offer one point of agreement: I think that a prostitute would help an incel to not be nervous or fumbling with a woman. But I disagree that it would make sex with him any better.

 

[thewageslave]

What about Right Wingers? Are they against it? If they're the majority why hasn't it been repealed yet?

The government in Sweden (Socialdemocrats and green party) has the right to initiate investigations about certain issues and draft proposition bills to the parliament. The bill is right now in its final stage of investigation and there will be a vote on the matter in late spring 2021 which requires a majority in order to pass. 175 votes out of 349 are needed to pass a bill. The government + the left party has only 144 seats. Right now the buyer only gets a fine if caught and if you sign your signature of you being guilty, taking into consideration that you bought sex from a prostitute that is at least 18 years old and who you believe was not trafficked and pimped. The govenment + the left party wants to give an automatic prison sentence if guilty even if you bought an independent hooker that is an adult.

The rest of the 5 parties have doubts. The liberals, center party, moderate party, christian democrat party and sweden democrats have already said that this will just make the prostitution more hidden and dangerous for the sellers. And we barely have any prison rooms left. And if this law goes through then there will automatically be a trial where the buyer will just plead not guilty which will take a lot of resources from the justice system and where the prosecutor will have to come with overwhelming evidence that there actually was a transaction. The fact is that the hooker don't even have to testify in a court according to Swedish law. So if the hooker just keeps silence for the best of her customers then there will be no evidence at all. This bill and proposition is just the work of rabiat feminists.

 

[Deleted member 27204]

You know why, they literally say why all the time, its about morality and ego, they need to feel desired and they want to think of themselves as a "good person" or a "real man", so even though the act is physically satisfying, it leaves them feeling bad (too bad, they need to get over themselves)

I would literally be too disgusted to fuck a girl who fucked someone else that morning. what's the point

A whore is a whore, and a wet hole is a wet hole, there's no such thing as "high end" or "top quality", its an illusion (ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TAKE MAKEUP OUT OF THE EQUATION)

This explains why guys will indiscriminately fuck any women if they are horny enough tbh

 

[BlkPillPres]

Fact: women are accustomed to big-dick chads

Women are fucking more normie males than they are fucking Chads, Chads are rare, when you speak like this you just perpetuate the basement dweller stereotype, as if your entire world view revolves around memes

Fact: no amount of prostitute experience will turn me into this

citation needed

Google where the g spot is

lol at you contradicting yourself. "It has more to do with A than with B, it's just that if you have B you don't need A at all - you succeed effortlessly"

There is no contradiction, unless like a retard you are arguing that the exception is the base template on which we define what a process revolves around rather than the norm

Most men have an average size penis, so the average effort required is what defines the process, not the exception to the rule

By that logic starting a business doesn't require planning an investment, because some people are born into millions of dollars and simply just start businesses using their vast wealth

The exception doesn't define the rule, the norm does

If that were true, then women would be meming skill instead of dick size. Can you show even one example of a woman who says her man has a 5 inch dick but is the best sex of her life?

I can't show you an example, I personally know a female co-worker who says her boyfriend doesn't have a large penis but the sex is still good

I have to seriously ask, are you saying its impossible for a man with an average sized penis to be good at sex?

Why are so many women married to average men then?

You will probably say money, but that would make you an idiot, were not in the 1950's, many women work and out-earn men, they have their own money, and average men tend to have average income, so were not talking about average dick sized millionaires here, Were talking about regular guys that are married

If being good at sex was just about having a big penis, then a lot of men simply would not be married or dating tbh

Can you show even one example of a woman saying she's cheating on her big dick man with a man whose dick is 5 inches but he's oh so experienced?

This is funny, didn't you just point out in that "contradiction" I made that having a bigger penis means you don't need skill?

So why would you expect a woman to cheat on a guy with a bigger penis?

There's experience, but there's a still a cap on what you can do, and also, a man with a bigger penis can employ the same techniques too, making him that much better

It's starting to sound like you're full of shit.

I think you need to actually start interacting with people in real life and stop believing in all these memes so strongly

There's an average looking guy at my place of work who is even shorter than I am, who has a hot GF I could never get

Yeah he's definitely an exception, but there are also average looking guys my height that also have GF's at work

You guys go off of memes too much, when you start hanging around average people and asking them about their lives, you'll realize how much you exaggerate this shit

And I need to learn to rub a clit from a prostitute?? I couldn't learn that in like five minutes from a girlfriend??

Well shit you must be amazing if you are going to know how to do it properly in like 5 minutes, I guess there's nothing you need to learn at all

I disagree that it would make sex with him any better.

I think i'll end it here, because this is as stupid as saying practicing something won't make you better at it

I don't even understand how you could say this

Would it make you worse? No

So how do you reach the conclusion that it wouldn't make you better?

 

[Deleted member 10124]

The government in Sweden (Socialdemocrats and green party) has the right to initiate investigations about certain issues and draft proposition bills to the parliament. The bill is right now in its final stage of investigation and there will be a vote on the matter in late spring 2021 which requires a majority in order to pass. 175 votes out of 349 are needed to pass a bill. The government + the left party has only 144 seats. Right now the buyer only gets a fine if caught and if you sign your signature of you being guilty, taking into consideration that you bought sex from a prostitute that is at least 18 years old and who you believe was not trafficked and pimped. The govenment + the left party wants to give an automatic prison sentence if guilty even if you bought an independent hooker that is an adult.

The rest of the 5 parties have doubts. The liberals, center party, moderate party, christian democrat party and sweden democrats have already said that this will just make the prostitution more hidden and dangerous for the sellers. And we barely have any prison rooms left. And if this law goes through then there will automatically be a trial where the buyer will just plead not guilty which will take a lot of resources from the justice system and where the prosecutor will have to come with overwhelming evidence that there actually was a transaction. The fact is that the hooker don't even have to testify in a court according to Swedish law. So if the hooker just keeps silence for the best of her customers then there will be no evidence at all. This bill and proposition is just the work of rabiat feminists.

The 5 parties have to summarily reject it.
So in effect the other 5 parties can't draft a bill to overthrow it?

 

[BITG]

Top Kek at this one brocel. Experience is cope. Only thing that matters in satisfying her is face and dick size. Jfl if you can’t thrust correctly, which is just natural instincts.

 

[Caesercel]

I don't care what OP says. This topic comes up again and again and I always have the same response for it. If you are an incel and virgin after 20

JUST VISIT A PROSTITUTE

Please just do yourself a favour. I am not recommending this because that's what I did but because that's what I didn't do. Now I have ED and my libido is less than half. Both physically and psychologically. Even if I experience sex now it wouldn't be as good as it would have been in late teens early 20s, when you get those raging boners and intense physical and psychological needs everyday.

I absolutely REGRET not getting a prostitute back then, holding out for a real relationship. 20 is a good cutoff. Nobody deserves to go through their 20s sexless, do yourself this favour.

 

[thewageslave]

The 5 parties have to summarily reject it.
So in effect the other 5 parties can't draft a bill to overthrow it?

Each party (or several parties together) in the parliament can draft a bill if they want. But they are often rejected as it has not been deeply investigated. What comes from the government is of bigger value normally as it is investigated and ready to be enacted immediatily as soon as parliament has approved it.

The bill that the government are coming with about mandatory prison for buying sex will be up to vote in late spring. As long as the 5 parties together vote NO then the bill will be rejected.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

Each party (or several parties together) in the parliament can draft a bill if they want. But they are often rejected as it has not been deeply investigated. What comes from the government is of bigger value normally as it is investigated and ready to be enacted immediatily as soon as parliament has approved it.

The bill that the government are coming with about mandatory prison for buying sex will be up to vote in late spring. As long as the 5 parties together vote NO then the bill will be rejected.

Ahh fuck this. Okay. So if the 5 of them got together to overthrow this law? They could do it?

 

[thewageslave]

I don't care what OP says. This topic comes up again and again and I always have the same response for it. If you are an incel and virgin after 20

JUST VISIT A PROSTITUTE

Please just do yourself a favour. I am not recommending this because that's what I did but because that's what I didn't do. Now I have ED and my libido is less than half. Both physically and psychologically. Even if I experience sex now it wouldn't be as good as it would have been in late teens early 20s, when you get those raging boners and intense physical and psychological needs everyday.

I absolutely REGRET not getting a prostitute back then, holding out for a real relationship. 20 is a good cutoff. Nobody deserves to go through their 20s sexless, do yourself this favour.

You are absolutely right. I regret not visiting prostitutes in my late teens and early 20s. Now I am 24 and I feel like my libido is decreasing fast.

Ahh fuck this. Okay. So if the 5 of them got together to overthrow this law? They could do it?

Of course, since these 5 parties have 60 percent of the seats in parliament.

 

[BodyFat10orRope]

Oh yeah sure, ALL of the whores in an ENTIRE FUCKING CITY aren't even remotely attractive

Its not just you having ironically unrealistic standards

Like I said before:

I'm serious. With corona many of the good ones aren't about.

There are only 3 - 12 active at any given time and they are 5-6/10 with small tits or fake tits.

I want a legit curvy woman.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I want a legit curvy woman.

Again, the irony of an incel being this picky, you don't have any self awareness.

You want a legit curvy woman, but get it in your head that no woman wants a legit "you" lol

So what you "want" doesn't matter, you have to be pragmatic

I'm not saying you "must" fuck any whore available, but don't say that there aren't any good enough for you, that's just retarded, you are at the bottom of the totem pole in life, all of them are above you to begin with, you are deluding yourself

A whore with a flat ass and no tits is above you

 

[Caesercel]

You are absolutely right. I regret not visiting prostitutes in my late teens and early 20s. Now I am 24 and I feel like my libido is decreasing fast.

Of course, since these 5 parties have 60 percent of the seats in parliament.

That's the same age I started experiencing it. I took an oath to visit one back then but regretfully kept delaying it

 

[thewageslave]

That's the same age I started experiencing it. I took an oath to visit one back then but regretfully kept delaying it

Yes. I will visit my first hooker now this week. I will have to nofap for a few days to be on track again.

 

[Black Soul]

I don't care what OP says. This topic comes up again and again and I always have the same response for it. If you are an incel and virgin after 20

JUST VISIT A PROSTITUTE

I am not rePlease just do yourself a favour.commending this because that's what I did but because that's what I didn't do. Now I have ED and my libido is less than half. Both physically and psychologically. Even if I experience sex now it wouldn't be as good as it would have been in late teens early 20s, when you get those raging boners and intense physical and psychological needs everyday.

I absolutely REGRET not getting a prostitute back then, holding out for a real relationship. 20 is a good cutoff. Nobody deserves to go through their 20s sexless, do yourself this favour.

brutal for me to read that, I'm 23 and still virgin KHHV and I live in a fucked shit "islamic" country where prostitution is prohibited and it's very difficult to visit a prostitute

 

[Caesercel]

Yes. I will visit my first hooker now this week. I will have to nofap for a few days to be on track again

I am already on zinc. Gonna try nofap too. I have planned to do it soon too

brutal for me to read that, I'm 23 and still virgin KHHV and I live in a fucked shit "islamic" country where prostitution is prohibited and it's very difficult to visit a prostitute

Getting prostitutes is usually easier in shitholes because the laws are not properly enforced by corrupt government(compared to day usa) and there are red light areas you can visit. I will do it with an escort tho.
Besides that, can't you try to arriange marriage maxx in your islamic country.

 

[npcel]

Hey OP,

Let's say you find a whore you're comfortable with would you ask her to "teach" you? How would you do this.. as for now you don't learn if you're not really communicating about it. Reading a whores body reactions or whatever is impossible because shes a professinal faker anyway.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Yes. I will visit my first hooker now this week. I will have to nofap for a few days to be on track again.

Don't get your hopes up with respect to the experience

I nofapped for like 5 days before I went to do it, and I could barely stay hard, there's so many factors:
1. Your mind and body is so used to porn that trying to have sex in a way confuses you, your mind is used to knowing to holding an erection when you are sitting down and using your own hand

2. A lot more physical effort is involved, holding a strong erection whilst exerting physical effort is different to doing that while comfortably sitting down

3. The awkwardness of it being your first time will have a psychological effect on how

4. If the whore is extremely hot though I doubt you will have to worry about some of those factors lol, mine was just average I guess. It was still an enjoyable experience, but I know it could have been way better

There's so much I have to do before I try again, lose weight, get fit, not masturbate for atleast an entire month straight, etc

Of course none of that matters to me until I'm finished wealthmaxxing, that matters more to me than any of this

Hey OP,

Let's say you find a whore you're comfortable with would you ask her to "teach" you?

You just ask, you're the one paying, she might charge extra though

How would you do this.. as for now you don't learn if you're not really communicating about it. Reading a whores body reactions or whatever is impossible because shes a professinal faker anyway.

Ask her not to fake it, you may end up with starfish sex though, but its a good chance to experiment and see what works

For example, if a woman is aroused her nipples get hard and stand up, so just by looking at her breasts you can see if you are doing anything that works

I say treat it like a video game, you're going there to figure stuff out, you busting a nut is inevitable so there's no need to rush it

 

[BodyFat10orRope]

Again, the irony of an incel being this picky, you don't have any self awareness.

You want a legit curvy woman, but get it in your head that no woman wants a legit "you" lol

So what you "want" doesn't matter, you have to be pragmatic

I'm not saying you "must" fuck any whore available, but don't say that there aren't any good enough for you, that's just retarded, you are at the bottom of the totem pole in life, all of them are above you to begin with, you are deluding yourself

A whore with a flat ass and no tits is above you

They're all the same price. 3/10 plank body costs the same as 7/10 hourglass so I may as well wait for a better one to show up.

 

[Deleted member 19971]

Where the fuck are you going to find that?

I’m gonna ask your sister

 

[DunSorbus]

I don't believe in "the one" but Im still not gonna pay for sex

 

[BlkPillPres]

They're all the same price. 3/10 plank body costs the same as 7/10 hourglass so I may as well wait for a better one to show up.

You are really just overly picky, which is ironic for an incel, I don't know how guys like you get these kinds of standards, I half think you are larping right now

My type is "petite" (I actually like the plank body look) and I prefer asian women

The first and only whore I fucked was "thick" latina who was slightly taller than me JFL. I went in the complete opposite direction, and you know why, because she was attractive too, but you are speaking as if you are "above" going after anything that isn't your type, its ridiculous, you don't sound like an incel at all

Are you seriously saying that if in the next 20 years no whores that fit your type show up, you will simply never have sex for 20 years?

That's ridiculous.

I don't believe in "the one" but Im still not gonna pay for sex

You might as well skip to the end like your avatar then , your life is going to be trash

I could never resign myself to a life of endless yearning

 

[genma]

Women are fucking more normie males than they are fucking Chads

No, my friend. The 80/20 rule says they aren't.

Google where the g spot is

You made the following claim: "Giving a woman an orgasm, has more to do with the angle you fuck her at and the rhythm of your thrusts than the size of your penis"

I asked you for a citation, and this is your response. No, I will not google for a source to prove your claims.

Your claims are false. It is not true that, "Giving a woman an orgasm, has more to do with the angle you fuck her at and the rhythm of your thrusts than the size of your penis"

If that were true, then women would be making memes about men with skill, instead of men with big dicks.

You are the king of cope.

I have to seriously ask, are you saying its impossible for a man with an average sized penis to be good at sex?

I'm saying females prefer larger than average ...everything, dicks, height, aggression, confidence, resources (money) and tails.

Yes, I said tails. Because at the start of that sentence I said "females" and didn't limit myself to just human females.

The example of the widowbird proves that where females are selecting males based on something related to size, they always prefer longer than the average. In the case of the widowbird, their tails are now long enough that it makes it easier for predators to catch them. So, there's selective pressure from predators keeping the tails short, and selective pressure from females making them longer. The actual average is a combination of those two forces.

This is the way the world works. Here's a citation: https://www.nature.com/articles/299818a0

No, I'm not saying that a widowbird with a shorter than average tail never ever gets to mate. I'm saying the females prefer longer tails - even longer than the average - so long it gets the mails killed.

Similarly, no, I'm not saying it's impossible for a man with a smaller dick to have sex or to please a woman. I'm saying women prefer bigger ones.

 

[BlkPillPres]

No, my friend. The 80/20 rule says they aren't.

I think you need to actually start interacting with people in real life and stop believing in all these memes so strongly

Guys like you really help to spread this basement dweller thing, I hope you realize that

Also I think you misunderstand the 80/20 rule, the rule isn't that 80% of women are EXCLUSIVELY ONLY FUCKING 20% of the men (if that was the rule, and incel rebellion would have happened years ago, we'd have all normie males on our side already). The rule is that 80% of women are ALSO FUCKING 20% of men who can get sex from that 80% very easily.

In other words the 20% of men have their pick of the litter, but these women are fucking normie males too, and if you don't realize that, then you definitely don't have a job, and if you do, you don't talk to your co-workers.

Work places are filled to the brim with average men, and every single average guy I've encountered at work is married or dating, and in most cases the woman is in their looks league, so unless I live in magic fairy land, I call bullshit, things aren't as extreme as you are making it seem.

You are literally taking these memes too seriously, next you are going to tell me that more women fuck dogs than average males.

 

[Babica Yaga]

Giga cope thread

 

[Deleted member 8884]

Because the trick, OP is not to "satisfy m'lady" it's to bust a nut on the girl.

Haven't you heard "doesn't matter had sex"

 

[thewageslave]

Don't get your hopes up with respect to the experience

I nofapped for like 5 days before I went to do it, and I could barely stay hard, there's so many factors:
1. Your mind and body is so used to porn that trying to have sex in a way confuses you, your mind is used to knowing to holding an erection when you are sitting down and using your own hand

2. A lot more physical effort is involved, holding a strong erection whilst exerting physical effort is different to doing that while comfortably sitting down

3. The awkwardness of it being your first time will have a psychological effect on how

4. If the whore is extremely hot though I doubt you will have to worry about some of those factors lol, mine was just average I guess. It was still an enjoyable experience, but I know it could have been way better

There's so much I have to do before I try again, lose weight, get fit, not masturbate for atleast an entire month straight, etc

Of course none of that matters to me until I'm finished wealthmaxxing, that matters more to me than any of this





You just ask, you're the one paying, she might charge extra though



Ask her not to fake it, you may end up with starfish sex though, but its a good chance to experiment and see what works

For example, if a woman is aroused her nipples get hard and stand up, so just by looking at her breasts you can see if you are doing anything that works

I say treat it like a video game, you're going there to figure stuff out, you busting a nut is inevitable so there's no need to rush it

I am totally aware that it probably wont be the best sex ever. But I will do the best of the situation such as gymmaxxing three days in prior, shave the hair around my dick, deoderant, perfume, shower with good smelling shampoo, washing my face with some good material to get rid of fat, make sure my breath is good, and nofap.

I probably understand that I will need some good endurance. But I am 6 ft 1 and I have a quite good athletic body with big arms so that shouldn't be a problem. I hope my dick will rise though. I just pray to god that porn has not fucked my brain too much. However the girl I am about to meet looks really nice with B-cup breasts and big ass with small waist and eastern european with dark blonde hair.

 

[grondilu]

You have the sex buyer law. So that's why it's expensive.

I don't think that's why it's expensive.

I think it's expensive because nowadays very few women are financially desperate enough to resort to prostitution. Not only women can easily find a job but there is also the welfare state taking care of those who can't. Also if a woman is willing to get fucked for cash, pornography is probably more attractive than prostitution.

Those who chose prostitution despite all this tend to do it because they think they can make lots of money doing it, and one way for that is to charge stupidly high prices. Unfortunately there will always be clients willing to pay.

In the end the cheap whores we get are often foreign women typically from poor countries because the language barrier and other socio-economical factors make it difficult for them to find a normal job.

I mean that's how I explain that everytime I went to a brothel in Germany, almost all of the girls were Romanian. I've never met a German one.

 

[Deleted member 4760]

I think OP simply doesnt understand most guys here are scared shitless of any social contact with humans in general.

its easy to write about raping foids and kill niggers behind a monitor but the average guy here probably couldnt kill a mouse with their hands if they had to.

ive went the hooker route after unsuccesfully asking gilrs out, chatted at various events and mingled on dating apps for about 4-5 years.

Seeing no improvements aeven after I gmymaxxed, hookers became the obvious prgamatic choice.

I tried everything so I hvae no regrets or fear in that sense.


A lot of people here are NEETs so too poor to spend some bucks on a hooker, have TERRIBLE grooming skills so they probably get kicked out simply due to smell or straight up repugnancy when the girls opens the door, complete lack of self awareness and zero social skills so any kind of social contact terrifies them and hide themselves behind the ''i wanna stay pure and virgin'' while being on an Incel forum, paying for sex is ''cucked'' while fapping to Porn violently every evening, I wanna get ''desired'' while claiming to be Black Pill.

The more I linger here, the more I understand blokes here never had any motivation to cope or find any whatsover fucking solutions tbh.

Its really easier to simply LDAR and NEET than to go outside at times, even if its simply to pay and fuck a broad.

Stop overestimating this place.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

I think OP simply doesnt understand most guys here are scared shitless of any social contact with humans in general.

its easy to write about raping foids and kill niggers behind a monitor but the average guy here probably couldnt kill a mouse with their hands if they had to.

ive went the hooker route after unsuccesfully asking gilrs out, chatted at various events and mingled on dating apps for about 4-5 years.

Seeing no improvements aeven after I gmymaxxed, hookers became the obvious prgamatic choice.

I tried everything so I hvae no regrets or fear in that sense.


A lot of people here are NEETs so too poor to spend some bucks on a hooker, have TERRIBLE grooming skills so they probably get kicked out simply due to smell or straight up repugnancy when the girls opens the door, complete lack of self awareness and zero social skills so any kind of social contact terrifies them and hide themselves behind the ''i wanna stay pure and virgin'' while being on an Incel forum, paying for sex is ''cucked'' while fapping to Porn violently every evening, I wanna get ''desired'' while claiming to be Black Pill.

The more I linger here, the more I understand blokes here never had any motivation to cope or find any whatsover fucking solutions tbh.

Its really easier to simply LDAR and NEET than to go outside at times, even if its simply to pay and fuck a broad.

Stop overestimating this place.

Judging by the quality of the good old days you mentioned.

The quality of user has certainly taken a turn for the worst.

 

[Deleted member 4760]

I don't think that's why it's expensive.

I think it's expensive because nowadays very few women are financially desperate enough to resort to prostitution. Not only women can easily find a job but there is also the welfare state taking care of those who can't. Also if a woman is willing to get fucked for cash, pornography is probably more attractive than prostitution.

Those who chose prostitution despite all this tend to do it because they think they can make lots of money doing it, and one way for that is to charge stupidly high prices. Unfortunately there will always be clients willing to pay.

In the end the cheap whores we get are often foreign women typically from poor countries because the language barrier and other socio-economical factors make it difficult for them to find a normal job.

I mean that's how I explain that everytime I went to a brothel in Germany, almost all of the girls were Romanian. I've never met a German one.

This. Way less economic opportunities for women bakc in the days so prostitution was cheap .
I guess for men that would ve been a good thing but heres the irony, we did need it as much, it used to be much easier to ascend even if you were lower tier in looks since the standard for what made a man attractive was WAYYY lower.

A blue collar lower class chump was still seen as potential partner as long as he had basic grooming skills, could hold a job and be a decent person. They still had a higher social stance on the social hierarchy simply for bein men and provider.

Today a fat e-whore has more value than the average male studying in STEM.

From Wikipedia, this is a what a low-tier Brothel would get you in Italy mid 20th century.
A quickfuck cost the price of cheap meal.

Today, foids looking like this are reaping millions on OnlyFans.
Its over.

 

[genma]

Guys like you really help to spread this basement dweller thing, I hope you realize that

Yes, if only it wasn't for me and my articulate, scientifically accurate descriptions of human sexuality, people would think so highly of incels.

Also I think you misunderstand the 80/20 rule, the rule isn't that 80% of women are EXCLUSIVELY ONLY FUCKING 20% of the men

The Pareto principle states that for many outcomes roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of the causes (the “vital few”). In this case, the "consequence" is sex, so according to the Pareto principle, 80% of sex is had by 20% of men.

I did not say, nor did I imply, nor do I believe, nor are any of the points I have made in this thread dependent on the idea that "women are EXCLUSIVELY ONLY FUCKING 20% of the men" - that's a straw man of your own creation.

No, the truth that I believe is, there remains in the total quantity of sex being had by men, about 20% to be distributed (and not evenly) among 80% of men.

I understand the Pareto principle much, much better than you do.

A related concept is the Gini Coefficient, a measure of statistical dispersion intended to represent the income inequality or wealth inequality within a nation (how much of the nation's wealth the top x% possess). If Tinder was a country, its Gini coefficient would make it the number 3 most unequal country in the world.

Source: https://kortina.nyc/essays/kinky-labor-supply-and-the-attention-tax/

And a quote: "On Tinder, the top 20% of men are competing for the top 78% of women. Why? It’s a matter of the breadth of selection. Offline, due to the constraints of physical space and time, any given woman would have a finite set of potential partners to choose from. Online, the selection is much more vast and most women only “like” the most attractive men. The Gini coefficient for the “Tinder economy” is 0.58, which means that it has higher inequality than 95% the world’s national economies"

So again no, I'm not saying that "women are exclusively fucking the top 20%" - I know this data really, really well.

The rule is that 80% of women are ALSO FUCKING 20% of men who can get sex from that 80% very easily.

No, that is not the rule. You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[BlkPillPres]

I think OP simply doesnt understand most guys here are scared shitless of any social contact with humans in general.

They can't say they are both afraid of human contact and they want to have sex at the same time, that's a contradiction, if they are horny enough to want to fuck an actual woman, then human contact is not what scares them.

its easy to write about raping foids and kill niggers behind a monitor but the average guy here probably couldnt kill a mouse with their hands if they had to.

Ironically I have killed at least 4 mice with my bare hands.

A lot of people here are NEETs so too poor to spend some bucks on a hooker

I call BS, these guys spend money to buy games, etc, they can't save up once to lose their virginity before they die?

But they'll be playing the next call of duty though and buying up some in game purchases and loot boxes

They want to prioritize copes over sex, and then complain about the fact they've never had sex, that's just bullshit, you can't have it both ways.

Lastly, some of them are capable of not being NEETs, being a NEET is a choice for them (the exception being the guys who are seriously disabled - physically or mentally). So saying "they are NEETs" is not a valid excuse, because its up to them to stop being NEETs to get the things they want out of life.

You can't just lay in a ditch all day and complain about being dirty.

have TERRIBLE grooming skills so they probably get kicked out simply due to smell or straight up repugnancy when the girls opens the door

I don't even want to address this tbh, its not a valid argument, that's their choice, they are doing it to themselves.

complete lack of self awareness and zero social skills so any kind of social contact terrifies them and hide themselves behind the ''i wanna stay pure and virgin'' while being on an Incel forum, paying for sex is ''cucked'' while fapping to Porn violently every evening, I wanna get ''desired'' while claiming to be Black Pill.

JFL true, and again, its them keeping their lives shitty like that, any one of them can wake up tomorrow and decide to change, its their fault really, nobody is forcing them to have contradictory beliefs

Yes, if only it wasn't for me and my articulate, scientifically accurate descriptions of human sexuality, people would think so highly of incels.


The Pareto principle states that for many outcomes roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of the causes (the “vital few”). In this case, the "consequence" is sex, so according to the Pareto principle, 80% of sex is had by 20% of men.

I did not say, nor did I imply, nor do I believe, nor are any of the points I have made in this thread dependent on the idea that "women are EXCLUSIVELY ONLY FUCKING 20% of the men" - that's a straw man of your own creation.

No, the truth that I believe is, there remains in the total quantity of sex being had by men, about 20% to be distributed (and not evenly) among 80% of men.

I understand the Pareto principle much, much better than you do.

A related concept is the Gini Coefficient, a measure of statistical dispersion intended to represent the income inequality or wealth inequality within a nation (how much of the nation's wealth the top x% possess). If Tinder was a country, its Gini coefficient would make it the number 3 most unequal country in the world.

Source: https://kortina.nyc/essays/kinky-labor-supply-and-the-attention-tax/

And a quote: "On Tinder, the top 20% of men are competing for the top 78% of women. Why? It’s a matter of the breadth of selection. Offline, due to the constraints of physical space and time, any given woman would have a finite set of potential partners to choose from. Online, the selection is much more vast and most women only “like” the most attractive men. The Gini coefficient for the “Tinder economy” is 0.58, which means that it has higher inequality than 95% the world’s national economies"

So again no, I'm not saying that "women are exclusively fucking the top 20%"

I don't think you even get what you're saying

For example, you said "there remains in the total quantity of sex being had by men, about 20% to be distributed (and not evenly) among 80% of men"

Ok so what the hell do you mean by this?

Are the 20% having sex with women and depriving the 80% of that sex?

Are the 20% having sex with women and those women still fuck the 80% (that's actually my point, women fuck Chads but by majority they have more normie males in their body count tally)?

Are the 20% having more sex period but its not with 80% of women?

Etc

Just saying there is some uneven distribution of sex doesn't amount to anything, it doesn't explain what you think is happening at all

 

[AnotherInsertCel1]

Train a skill you will never use theory.

 

[genma]

blondes cost more because men value blondes more, so the blondes charge more (same with racial differences in pricing, white women price themselves higher than other whores because of the racial preferences men outwardly express)

A whore is a whore, and a wet hole is a wet hole, there's no such thing as "high end" or "top quality", its an illusion

It's an illusion??

So, it's a "cultural construct" then?

You don't believe there's anything more than culture behind racial preferences or the preference for blonde hair?

 

[BodyFat10orRope]

My type is "petite" (I actually like the plank body look) and I prefer asian women

Right so 95% of the women fit your type. Easy for you to say then.

I swear regular women on the street look more appealing than these thin bimbos.

 

[Deleted member 31869]

i mean, how hard can it be?

also normies are dumb and dont learn, so i will be indistinguishable from a normie with experience

 

[AutisticMonstrosity]

You have the sex buyer law. So that's why it's expensive.

@MensaIQcel (account deleted, not only banned?) argued that "sex buyer law" ("Nordic model" of banning buying sex, but not selling sex) is good for incels, because it lowers prices. Now you agree here that it makes prices more expensive. In practice though – like I replied to the MensaIQcel – it did not affect prices.

Yes thats true.

That is NOT true. With current exchange rates, 30 minutes standard price is higher in Finland than in Sweden, even though in Finland buying sex is legal. And Sweden has higher standard of living and higher GDP per capita.

200 dollars is not really a big deal

It is not 200 dollars! It is 1500 SEK, comparable to 150 EUR here.

now the government wants to automatically send buyers to prison for buying sex lol... but the law will probably not be passed because there is no majority in the parliament. Only the left party, socialdemocrats and green party is in favour of the law proposition.

The law should protect the weaker side, which has less power. In this case, the incel buyers obviously. Care to share a link about this proposal? I still know many, usually older, people who still continue to vote for social-democrats while complaining about the immigration etc. Social-democrats used to be good... but not for decades any more.

What about Right Wingers? Are they against it? If they're the majority why hasn't it been repealed yet?

Can't you read properly and understand also? They can not repeal what is only a proposal. And the "right wing" (LOL) block does NOT oppose the law criminalising buying sex.

How Do You Plan On Sexually Satisfying A Woman When (IF) You Ascend?​

The escorts/hookers DON'T WANT to be sexually satisfied, only monetarily! The visit ends when the client has cummed (sexually satisfied) or the time is up. They even intentionally try not to orgasm, because it affects their "energy" for next clients of the day. I've read escorts write on their forum that they don't want to orgasm with any clients, because it affects the efficiency of their work. Some wrote that they masturbated to orgasm in the evening thinking about all the clients they had that day.

I've read regular women say/argue/vote in a poll that they definitely don't want a man that has visited prostitute(s). They rather prefer real virgin over that, even older virgin than someone who has only fucked prostitutes. Also they say that women are different anyway in regards to how to sexually satisfy them, so what works to one woman can't be generalised.

IF YOU FINALLY GET LUCKY AND GET A GIRLFRIEND

YOU'LL BE A SEXUALLY INEXPERIENCED LOSER, WHO WILL BE UNABLE TO SATISFY HER

SO SHE WILL LEAVE YOU (LONG BEFORE YOU CAN GAIN ANY EXPERIENCE)

This is one worry that I don't have. I think sex comes naturally to me, if I ever have the chance to have real (non-paid) sex. I have the serious problem of premature ejaculation, and it cannot be cured by practice/experience or "working out" like you write here. It can be only solved by serotonergic intervention, like dapoxetine (SSRI on demand or illegal drugs). I have a stash of SSRI pills ready to last as long as the woman wishes if I ever ascend.

The government in Sweden (Socialdemocrats and green party) has the right to initiate investigations about certain issues and draft proposition bills to the parliament. The bill is right now in its final stage of investigation and there will be a vote on the matter in late spring 2021 which requires a majority in order to pass. 175 votes out of 349 are needed to pass a bill. The government + the left party has only 144 seats. Right now the buyer only gets a fine if caught and if you sign your signature of you being guilty, taking into consideration that you bought sex from a prostitute that is at least 18 years old and who you believe was not trafficked and pimped. The govenment + the left party wants to give an automatic prison sentence if guilty even if you bought an independent hooker that is an adult.

The rest of the 5 parties have doubts. The liberals, center party, moderate party, christian democrat party and sweden democrats have already said that this will just make the prostitution more hidden and dangerous for the sellers. And we barely have any prison rooms left. And if this law goes through then there will automatically be a trial where the buyer will just plead not guilty which will take a lot of resources from the justice system and where the prosecutor will have to come with overwhelming evidence that there actually was a transaction. The fact is that the hooker don't even have to testify in a court according to Swedish law. So if the hooker just keeps silence for the best of her customers then there will be no evidence at all. This bill and proposition is just the work of rabiat feminists.

(I am reading the messages in order) Thank you for this. Also, link? (I can read Swedish)

this is as stupid as saying practicing something won't make you better at it

Do I really need to practice eating, drinking, shitting, pissing, sleeping, fucking... they are the most natural things to do...

 

[BlkPillPres]

Right so 95% of the women fit your type

95% of women have A Cup breasts and a flat ass?

You must live in an asian country, that's probably like 15% where I live, maybe less

Do I really need to practice eating, drinking, shitting, pissing, sleeping, fucking... they are the most natural things to do...

You have to be a retard to compare eating to sex, something being "natural" doesn't make it easy, in fact I'll just say you are being disingenuous and you know full well what you're saying is fallacious, because you can't be that stupid

The other things you described require no effort at all, sex does

Can you get a leg cramp doing any of the other things? NO

Do you need a strong lower back to be "good" in the other things? NO

Out of all the things you listed, only sex requires that you have strength and stamina


Lastly, around 75% of women say they can't reach orgasm from intercourse alone, having an orgasm is actually difficult for women, so JFL at you saying:

I think sex comes naturally to me

Oh yeah, I'm sure, also how the hell can you make a boast like this and then say you suffer from premature ejaculation?, are you even listening to yourself?

By your own admittance you're terrible at sex then

I've read escorts write on their forum that they don't want to orgasm with any clients, because it affects the efficiency of their work

I don't care, one of my goals is to make a whore cum against her will lol, If I'm paying, she's playing.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

I was very bad tbh, but I enjoyed it anyway. I liked the blowjob and when she was on top, but couldn't really stay hard when I was on top. It might be that it just takes a while to get used to sex. Most likely when I do it again it will be more enjoyable, for one thing I won't be as nervous. Probably the best thing to come of it was that my issues surrounding physical touch were vastly reduced, and that I can say I'm not a virgin without lying.

 

[Deleted member 32037]

A lot of incels I've spoken to have this "game plan" of holding out to find a woman who meets their moral standards (virgin or minimal body count) and that one day they'll hopefully "ascend"

Here's the sad reality that these retards who refuse to pay for sex don't get.

IF YOU FINALLY GET LUCKY AND GET A GIRLFRIEND

YOU'LL BE A SEXUALLY INEXPERIENCED LOSER, WHO WILL BE UNABLE TO SATISFY HER

SO SHE WILL LEAVE YOU (LONG BEFORE YOU CAN GAIN ANY EXPERIENCE)

SO IF YOU GET LUCKY AGAIN, THE CYCLE WILL REPEAT


So all you guys thinking one day you are going to "make it" and settle down, you are fucking retarded.

Do you think after you guys kiss for the first time you are magically going to know what to do?

A woman in her 20's already has a "game plan" in the bedroom.

She knows what she likes
She knows what men like
She's become accustomed to a certain level of performance (which men who are used to having sex are accustomed to dishing out)
She's basically had everything done to her and you are going to be like a bitch in comparison because you'll be playing with kiddy gloves

You will be nothing but a disappointment, a "nice guy" she dates for a week or two and has unenthusiastic starfish sex with, out of desperation to "find someone", but she'll leave shortly after that, because it was just a fluke you got her anyways, and she has way better options.


LASTLY, THE LONGER YOU WAIT THE MORE IS EXPECTED OF YOU.

A woman in her 40's fucking another man in that age range, is expecting him to be a veteran in the bedroom, she's expecting you to blow her mind, and you won't even be able to make her cum once, because you'll have no experience at all.

You have to be a childish fool to refuse to pay for sex decade after decade, thinking that one day you'll find "the one"

Because here's the thing, YOU MAY BE RIGHT.

You'll find "the one", but "THE ONE" HAS NEEDS YOU CAN'T SATISFY.

SO SHE'LL BECOME SOMEBODY ELSE'S "THE ONE" INSTEAD.


It makes a lot more sense to be "getting some practice in", so that IF you get lucky, you don't ruin your chances.

A lot of you guys are pretty much setting yourself up for failure and creating a self fulfilling prophecy.

I always find it funny how so many men who say they are black pilled, and that they know how cruel and unfair reality is, are still childishly clinging to moral concepts and principles as if they matter in a cruel and unfair world.

I plan on going to a prostitute before I rope. I wanna know what it's like to be inside a woman before I rope so at least I didn't die a virgin.

Have u ever been to a prostitute? And if so, how were your experiences with them?

I was very bad tbh, but I enjoyed it anyway. I liked the blowjob and when she was on top, but couldn't really stay hard when I was on top. It might be that it just takes a while to get used to sex. Most likely when I do it again it will be more enjoyable, for one thing I won't be as nervous. Probably the best thing to come of it was that my issues surrounding physical touch were vastly reduced, and that I can say I'm not a virgin without lying.

Did she give you a blowjob with a condom on? I hope they don't do that srs

 

[Deleted member 29115]

We don't love these hos

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Did she give you a blowjob with a condom on? I hope they don't do that srs

No the blowjob was without a condom tbh.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

I was very bad tbh, but I enjoyed it anyway. I liked the blowjob and when she was on top, but couldn't really stay hard when I was on top. It might be that it just takes a while to get used to sex. Most likely when I do it again it will be more enjoyable, for one thing I won't be as nervous. Probably the best thing to come of it was that my issues surrounding physical touch were vastly reduced, and that I can say I'm not a virgin without lying.

I was crap on top too. Also crap with doggy style. Ill attempt standing up sex next time.

I just say bad back. Which is legitimate as I have osteoporosis.

 

[Deleted member 32037]

No the blowjob was without a condom tbh.

Did it feel really good?