Theory Thoughts on “Depressive Realism”?

[homicidalretard]

The sad truth about depressive realism - PubMed

In one form of a contingency judgement task individuals must judge the relationship between an action and an outcome. There are reports that depressed individuals are more accurate than are non-depressed individuals in this task. In particular, nondepressed individuals are influenced by...

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If you don’t know, Depressive Realism is the theory that people with depression (or people who have a negative outlook on life in general) are more likely to make an accurate assessment of a situation than someone with a more positive mindset. I personally feel like there’s something to this, and it explains a lot about how normies socialise with each other, and why many seem to hate people who “say it like it is”. Here are a few quotes from the articled I posted that resonated with me the most:

“One of the reasons why this phenomenon exists is that depressed people are often times not desperately trying to maintain and protect their positive self-image.”

“individuals suffering from depression are frequently more capable of analyzing and noticing the bad things and what could be improved in life.”

“Some [people] will only search out positive things, and will even try to twist and warp information about themselves and others in a manner that’s convenient and suits them. Which is often times changing it in a way that’s protective of their own positive self-image, even if untrue.”

“[people without depression] overestimate a contingency if the probability of an outcome is high--the "outcome-density effect". In contrast, depressed individuals display little or no outcome-density effect. This apparent knack for depressives not to be misled by outcome density in their contingency judgements has been termed "depressive realism", and the absence of an outcome-density effect has led to the characterization of depressives as sadder but wiser.”

Admittedly, on the flipside there are people who have a “negativity bias”. They tend to only look out for negative things while ignoring the positive, and this type of thinking can also lead to mental pitfalls. But I still feel like people with complete negativity bias end up being “correct” more often than those with complete positivity bias, and people with negativity bias are judged more harshly when found to be wrong about something because of society’s desperate need for “positivity”, whether it’s true or not. They literally would rather pretend things are okay than accept what is true. What do you think?

 

[Med Anime]

reality is depressive. that's why there's nothing called "hapiness realism" unless you're a chad

 

[overrrrrrrrrrr]

based theory, people who are depressed cope less bc they have nothing to cope about.

 

[Suicidal Loser]

I think depressive realism is an interesting theory in that it counters optimism bias, and I would definitely pick depressive realism over optimism bias myself. But I'm not sure if depressive realism is also a distortion of reality or not. That is, although depression may help you discern things that someone without depression can not detect, it also might veil other things from being perceived.

 

[homicidalretard]

I think depressive realism is an interesting theory in that it counters optimism bias, and I would definitely pick depressive realism over optimism bias myself. But I'm not sure if depressive realism is also a distortion of reality or not. That is, although depression may help you discern things that someone without depression can not detect, it also might veil other things from being perceived.

This is also true. One of the studies done on depressive realism involved people taking some sort of written test, some participants with depression and some without. It showed that depressed people predicted more positive results for everyone else in the room, while underestimating their own score, which often turned out to be higher than the depressed individual thought it would be. (most peoples’ scores were roughly the same, depression or not) While I’m still personally on the side that Depressive Realism has a lot of truth to it, I feel like that’s also a decent argument against it.

 

[Cletus Longthing]

Reality is depressing

 

[Suicidal Loser]

This is also true. One of the studies done on depressive realism involved people taking some sort of written test, some participants with depression and some without. It showed that depressed people predicted more positive results for everyone else in the room, while underestimating their own score, which often turned out to be higher than the depressed individual thought it would be. (most peoples’ scores were roughly the same, depression or not) While I’m still personally on the side that Depressive Realism has a lot of truth to it, I feel like that’s also a decent argument against it.

Agreed. Compared to a non-depressed person, someone who is going through depression would be able to perceive what transpires around them more efficiently and realistically, but when it comes to themselves, the focus will always be on the negatives and never on the positives. But I think that's justified considering it is due to destructive negative experiences mostly caused by their own fault that a person becomes depressed. So, like you, I'm on the side of Depressive Realism, as well.

Also, good thread.

 

[Cybersex is our hope]

Reality is depressing

Depends which reality and how you see it

 

[proudweeb]

my life is depressive realism

 

[Newton the 2nd]

Didnt read but the name sounds jewish

 

[GodspeedPeasant]

interesting theory. i agree with it personally

 

[Robb97]

Interesting insight.

I sometimes feel like I'm only looking at the depressing aspects of reality. But I guess I'm just being realistic.

 

[BornToLose]

 

[Intellau_Celistic]

Alright.

 

[cvh1991]

The sad truth about depressive realism - PubMed

In one form of a contingency judgement task individuals must judge the relationship between an action and an outcome. There are reports that depressed individuals are more accurate than are non-depressed individuals in this task. In particular, nondepressed individuals are influenced by...

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If you don’t know, Depressive Realism is the theory that people with depression (or people who have a negative outlook on life in general) are more likely to make an accurate assessment of a situation than someone with a more positive mindset. I personally feel like there’s something to this, and it explains a lot about how normies socialise with each other, and why many seem to hate people who “say it like it is”. Here are a few quotes from the articled I posted that resonated with me the most:

“One of the reasons why this phenomenon exists is that depressed people are often times not desperately trying to maintain and protect their positive self-image.”

“individuals suffering from depression are frequently more capable of analyzing and noticing the bad things and what could be improved in life.”

“Some [people] will only search out positive things, and will even try to twist and warp information about themselves and others in a manner that’s convenient and suits them. Which is often times changing it in a way that’s protective of their own positive self-image, even if untrue.”

“[people without depression] overestimate a contingency if the probability of an outcome is high--the "outcome-density effect". In contrast, depressed individuals display little or no outcome-density effect. This apparent knack for depressives not to be misled by outcome density in their contingency judgements has been termed "depressive realism", and the absence of an outcome-density effect has led to the characterization of depressives as sadder but wiser.”

Admittedly, on the flipside there are people who have a “negativity bias”. They tend to only look out for negative things while ignoring the positive, and this type of thinking can also lead to mental pitfalls. But I still feel like people with complete negativity bias end up being “correct” more often than those with complete positivity bias, and people with negativity bias are judged more harshly when found to be wrong about something because of society’s desperate need for “positivity”, whether it’s true or not. They literally would rather pretend things are okay than accept what is true. What do you think?

Human beings are have many “needs” to fill in order achieve something close to happiness and contentment:
1) Living (eat sleep water, etc)
2) to love and be loved/sex
3) variety
4) to be important Or at least feel important
5) hope for the future/coping with the fear of death somehow

Almost always when someone is filled with crushing despair they have deep and unmet needs. I would say most men at least are not having their needs met, not consistently they’re not. We’re basically wage slaves with some nice toys, it’s a hollow and empty existence. I have no hope for the future and I don’t even believe I’m going to heaven when I die since I dont believe in my religion anymore.

Once a person has had their entire entire world view upended and experienced severe trauma (like a normie dad getting divorce raped) not sure how you come back from that. When I was young, delusional, and had hope I was much happier.

 

[war_with_myself]

normies delude themselves with bluepills as a coping mechanism. i don't think there is anything wrong with it. sometimes the truth is a bit too unbearable for some folks.

 

[ResidentHell]

Agreed. Compared to a non-depressed person, someone who is going through depression would be able to perceive what transpires around them more efficiently and realistically, but when it comes to themselves, the focus will always be on the negatives and never on the positives. But I think that's justified considering it is due to destructive negative experiences mostly caused by their own fault that a person becomes depressed. So, like you, I'm on the side of Depressive Realism, as well.

Also, good thread.

normies delude themselves with bluepills as a coping mechanism. i don't think there is anything wrong with it. sometimes the truth is a bit too unbearable for some folks.