The Ukrainians lost this war in the 1990s

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Instead of moving to the European Union in the 1990s, starting decommunization, creating EU-based law, and developing their national identity, they were part of the Russian cultural environment until 2014, which means that they will never join NATO or the EU, and it is unlikely that the EU will have new members, while the Baltic countries have succeeded.
There are millions of ethnic Ukrainians living in Russia in the Kuban, Stavropol, and Belgorod. What did Ukraine do in the 1990s to strengthen their identity? Did it create cultural centers or organizations? Nothing like that. Did it offer them repatriation? No, even the Poles in Siberia had their own cultural associations and centers in the 1990s, which were funded by Poland. Germany repatriated the Germans. But Ukraine did nothing for the Ukrainians in the Russian Federation.

 

[AutistSupremacist]

Do the Ukrainians in Russia view themselves as just being Russian?

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Do the Ukrainians in Russia view themselves as just being Russian?

In fact, yes. The regions of Russia where there are many Ukrainian surnames and, consequently, people of Ukrainian origin are the most vatnik of all. I am talking about the Krasnodar Territory (Kuban), the Rostov Region, and the Stavropol Territory. These are the southern regions of Russia.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Do the Ukrainians in Russia view themselves as just being Russian?

IUkrainians in the Russian Federation are ardent vatniks.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Do the Ukrainians in Russia view themselves as just being Russian?

Because Ukraine didn't give a damn about Ukrainians in Russia. There were no cultural centers, no national propaganda. Even Poland made more efforts to help protect the identity of Poles in Russia, even though there are about 70,000 Poles in Russia and more than a million Ukrainians.

 

[Hydrasako]

Ukraine lost it's chance at sovereignty in december 1994, during the memorandum of Budapest. Any state that gives up it's nuclear weapons is effectively fucked. Same can be said for Libya, South Africa etc

 

[hatepilledandrich]

Ukraine lost it's chance at sovereignty in december 1994, during the memorandum of Budapest. Any state that gives up it's nuclear weapons is effectively fucked. Same can be said for Libya, South Africa etc

 

[DeathIsNear888]

Instead of moving to the European Union in the 1990s, starting decommunization, creating EU-based law, and developing their national identity, they were part of the Russian cultural environment until 2014, which means that they will never join NATO or the EU, and it is unlikely that the EU will have new members, while the Baltic countries have succeeded.
There are millions of ethnic Ukrainians living in Russia in the Kuban, Stavropol, and Belgorod. What did Ukraine do in the 1990s to strengthen their identity? Did it create cultural centers or organizations? Nothing like that. Did it offer them repatriation? No, even the Poles in Siberia had their own cultural associations and centers in the 1990s, which were funded by Poland. Germany repatriated the Germans. But Ukraine did nothing for the Ukrainians in the Russian Federation.

They all lost the war the 90s including Russia, sad that there being used as pons for the Jewish Supremacists.

 

[Trident]

Also just like russia, even more so, they cut up and scrapped a huge part of the soviet weapons they got.

 

[Justanotherbloke]

Ukraine is as corrupt as it could get and any rational mind would conclude they don´t meet the moral threshold to be eligible for EU membership. Anything East of the dnieper should go to Russia, West should remain Ukrainian and neutral while acting as a buffer between NATO and Russia, But I honestly don´t think Russia would ever want to expand that much as it seeks a bigger buffer than that, the 5 regions are enough for them and strategically important as it acts as a land connaction to the black see where it has direct influence over the massive grain exports and other Ukrainian goods, they´ll probably resort to demanding the area as a non passing by unless paid and it will become some sort of toll road is my guess.

 

[outerdarkness]

Ukraine lost it's chance at sovereignty in december 1994, during the memorandum of Budapest. Any state that gives up it's nuclear weapons is effectively fucked. Same can be said for Libya, South Africa etc

Strong and correct first post.

 

[Jestermaxxest]

Instead of moving to the European Union in the 1990s, starting decommunization, creating EU-based law, and developing their national identity, they were part of the Russian cultural environment until 2014, which means that they will never join NATO or the EU, and it is unlikely that the EU will have new members, while the Baltic countries have succeeded.
There are millions of ethnic Ukrainians living in Russia in the Kuban, Stavropol, and Belgorod. What did Ukraine do in the 1990s to strengthen their identity? Did it create cultural centers or organizations? Nothing like that. Did it offer them repatriation? No, even the Poles in Siberia had their own cultural associations and centers in the 1990s, which were funded by Poland. Germany repatriated the Germans. But Ukraine did nothing for the Ukrainians in the Russian Federation.

Yes. They chose wrong presidents.

 

[Jestermaxxest]

It is mostly about military overall rather than nukes. Codes to launch were in Moscow.

 

[Emba]

Strong and correct first post.

 

[Roastie Crusher]

Instead of moving to the European Union in the 1990s, starting decommunization, creating EU-based law, and developing their national identity, they were part of the Russian cultural environment until 2014, which means that they will never join NATO or the EU, and it is unlikely that the EU will have new members, while the Baltic countries have succeeded.
There are millions of ethnic Ukrainians living in Russia in the Kuban, Stavropol, and Belgorod. What did Ukraine do in the 1990s to strengthen their identity? Did it create cultural centers or organizations? Nothing like that. Did it offer them repatriation? No, even the Poles in Siberia had their own cultural associations and centers in the 1990s, which were funded by Poland. Germany repatriated the Germans. But Ukraine did nothing for the Ukrainians in the Russian Federation.

Isn't this really ethnic(Azov) vs eu identity vs soviet type identity? Russian governments have promoted race mixing and alliances with shitskin countries against the big bad white supremacist west.

Futhermore these white ethnic fascist escapades have failed to materialize a hyperborean state.

Ukraine is just a playing field of future war, ethnic enclaves, and guerilla insurgent paramilitaries.

 

[DeathIsNear888]

Isn't this really ethnic(Azov) vs eu identity vs soviet type identity? Russian governments have promoted race mixing and alliances with shitskin countries against the big bad white supremacist west.

Futhermore these white ethnic fascist escapades have failed to materialize a hyperborean state.

Ukraine is just a playing field of future war, ethnic enclaves, and guerilla insurgent paramilitaries.

Ukraine is one of the most nihilistic countries i seen.

 

[Roastie Crusher]

Ukraine is one of the most nihilistic countries i seen.

Mind control. Fractionation. Why the jews rape children. Ukrainians can be nihilistic but in warfare they either fight or die. That's why jews create war. It tests the will to survive and utilize technology(cyborgs). If you don't adapt, you die.

 

[DeathIsNear888]

Mind control. Fractionation. Why the jews rape children. Ukrainians can be nihilistic but in warfare they either fight or die. That's why jews create war. It tests the will to survive and utilize technology(cyborgs). If you don't adapt, you die.

They have no fucking logic man and I was in a Bandera chat on telegram once and I told them they need to save weapons and build man power they flipped out on me and threatened my life lol.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Isn't this really ethnic(Azov) vs eu identity vs soviet type identity? Russian governments have promoted race mixing and alliances with shitskin countries against the big bad white supremacist west.

Futhermore these white ethnic fascist escapades have failed to materialize a hyperborean state.

Ukraine is just a playing field of future war, ethnic enclaves, and guerilla insurgent paramilitaries.

Azov is just a bunch of football fans who didn't want to live under Russian rule because Russia is bright red and prohibits any form of nationalism. Therefore, they formed groups to expel the pro-Russian communist militants from Mariupol in 2014. The reason for overthrowing Yanukovych was his refusal to pursue European integration, despite the fact that most Ukrainians wanted to join the EU to improve their standard of living.
And Russia and the EU are Zog, but the EU will offer a much better life and quality of life, while Russia is giving us degeneration, migrants, and poverty.

 

[Belowthesalt]

I agree, but with the current government it's not favourable to have Russia get stronger.

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

You have a DUTY to Americanize, goy

 

[Shaktiman]

Ukrainian is a dialect of Russian.

 

[ConservativeCel]

In fact, yes. The regions of Russia where there are many Ukrainian surnames and, consequently, people of Ukrainian origin are the most vatnik of all. I am talking about the Krasnodar Territory (Kuban), the Rostov Region, and the Stavropol Territory. These are the southern regions of Russia.

Decades ago when I was a prolific Wikipedia editor, I came across such pre-Z-patriot contributors' profiles resp. their editing history, like this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Kuban_kazak&oldid=249864276 At first I was quite surprised.

Russians and Ukrainians are/were lingustically and culturally close, if the Russian Federation weren't as gross as it has been since around 2010 and had not unleashed the first wave of aggression against Ukraine in 2014, Ukrainians might just as well still feel close to this country/nation.

As to Ukrainians in Russia, I'd remind you and folks here, that due to Ukraine's economic disaster in 1990s, which even overshadowed that of the Yeltsin era economic debacle in Russia, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians emigrated to Russia in 1990s and later. And they usually lost any interest in Ukraine as a country/nation.

 

[ConservativeCel]

Ukrainian is a dialect of Russian.

No it's not. Most words are similar but Ukrainian and Russian aren't mutually intelligible by any stretch of imagination, hence 2 different Slavic languages.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Decades ago when I was a prolific Wikipedia editor, I came across such pre-Z-patriot contributors' profiles resp. their editing history, like this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Kuban_kazak&oldid=249864276 At first I was quite surprised.

Russians and Ukrainians are/were lingustically and culturally close, if the Russian Federation weren't as gross as it has been since around 2010 and had not unleashed the first wave of aggression against Ukraine in 2014, Ukrainians might just as well still feel close to this country/nation.

As to Ukrainians in Russia, I'd remind you and folks here, that due to Ukraine's economic disaster in 1990s, which even overshadowed that of the Yeltsin era economic debacle in Russia, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians emigrated to Russia in 1990s and later. And they usually lost any interest in Ukraine as a country/nation.

Yes, people from the southern regions of Russia, where there are many ethnic Ukrainians, are the most Putin-supporting, z-supporting, and vatnik-supporting regions. This is a mystery to me. I also often see Ukrainian surnames among Russian law enforcement officers (judges, prosecutors, and high commanders of the National Guard).