Venting The thing that hurts the most is that I have literally zero SMV despite giving things a 100% effort

[Getlooksordie]

- gymcel
- 6ft2
- good career
- white
- atleast an average looking face
- have hobbies
- dress well
- good social skills (I work in sales)

I realize that only looks and race matter in terms of attracting women, but it wasn´t like that 50 years ago.

my reward?

- I´m completely sexually invisible to ALL women

- I absolutely never get any comments about my appearance despite focusing all my efforts on my looks

- I literally never get any sort of eye contact or aknowledgment from women. I could walk through a busy city for hours without one woman giving me eyecontact or acknowledging me in any way.

- I get mass rejected by ALL women, doesn´t matter if they are obese, ugly, old, single moms, etc...

- the last speed dating event I went to I had a 100% rejection rate. Literally every woman that was there rejected me (there were about 30 women there)

- what absolutely drives me nuts is that ugly girls act like I´m so insanely far beneath them and yet when I see those same girls outside they are in relationships with guys that are much uglier than me and have beer guts. The guys are just as ugly as their girlfriends who act like they are 9s while treating me like I´m a 1/10.

 

[Karabim]

from what you are describing you are in the top 30-40% of men in terms of LMS. You are probably overestimating yourself in some of those areas

 

[jet112]

show me a pic.
if you manage to get a sales job i assume that your'e above average

 

[Angry_runt]

Not getting eye contact from random girls is a sure sign of subhumanity. I know how you feel.

 

[platypus]

Have you tried betabux/sugar daddy game?

 

[Incel801]

I was too scared to try speed dating back when I was blue pilled.. I'm happy I didn't brutalize myself by trying to participate.. had enough negative feedback already.

 

[SubhumanMonster]

Meanwhile it's enough for woman to have a vagina and breath. Not even sure about the last part though.

 

[Incel801]

Have you tried betabux/sugar daddy game?

Suagr daddy game is the same as escortcel..no game to it, just paying a prostitute. Fun but empty experience.

 

[Getlooksordie]

Have you tried betabux/sugar daddy game?

I´m not rich enough for that in the West. Women don´t give a shit how much money you make in the West because they can make their own money and have their own careers. You need to be a millionaire to betabux your looksmatch and a billionaire to date up.

I was too scared to try speed dating back when I was blue pilled.. I'm happy I didn't brutalize myself by trying to participate.. had enough negative feedback already.

going in I thought the women would be all over me since lots of them were average/below average looking. Boy was I wrong, kek.

Speed dating is no different from Tinder. Unless you are atleast a 9/10 don´t even bother. Otherwise speed dating = speed rejection.

The girls that go to speed dating events are the girls who thought no guy on Tinder was hot enough for them.

 

[platypus]

I´m not rich enough for that in the West. Women don´t give a shit how much money you make in the West because they can make their own money and have their own careers. You need to be a millionaire to betabux your looksmatch and a billionaire to date up.


going in I thought the women would be all over me since lots of them were average/below average looking. Boy was I wrong, kek.

Speed dating is no different from Tinder. Unless you are atleast a 9/10 don´t even bother. Otherwise speed dating = speed rejection.

The girls that go to speed dating events are the girls who thought no guy on Tinder was hot enough for them.

So what level were the other men attending the speed dating? All Chadlite +?

 

[Limerencel]

- gymcel
- 6ft2
- good career
- white
- atleast an average looking face
- dress well
- good social skills (I work in sales)

You have a lot of favourable features. It's not over for you.
You have tons of options in SEA. On top of that, you likely have tons of options closer to home as well..

What would you say is the biggest cause of your inceldom?

 

[Getlooksordie]

So what level were the other men attending the speed dating? All Chadlite +?

no, they were mostly average looking, a couple guys above average looking and a few guys were below average looking. I think all the other guys got rejected by all the women, too.

You have a lot of favourable features. It's not over for you.
You have tons of options in SEA. On top of that, you likely have tons of options closer to home as well..

What would you say is the biggest cause of your inceldom?

Feminism and hypergamy. I also live in Germany, tons of chads and chadlites here and guess what, even those guys usually date down massively.

Womens standards are so high here you literally need to have elite male model looks just to be in the game. It´s not an exaggeration.

My Nick Bateman profile only gets 8-12 matches in my area and even as Nick Bateman I can´t get a date with an above average looking girl off Tinder.

I´m going to Eastern Europe next year to find a wife after all my surgeries. I hope their standards aren´t as insane there.

 

[platypus]

no, they were mostly average looking, a couple guys above average looking and a few guys were below average looking. I think all the other guys got rejected by all the women, too.

It's ridiculous.

 

[big nose bug eyes]

Maybe try asking some girls out? Crazy idea i know.

 

[Getlooksordie]

Maybe try asking some girls out? Crazy idea i know.

I´ve asked out literally hundreds of them.

 

[Analhusten]

I´m going to Eastern Europe next year to find a wife after all my surgeries. I hope their standards aren´t as insane there.

Bulgariancel here, you're in for a surprise!

 

[theundeadburg]

Not getting eye contact from random girls is a sure sign of subhumanity. I know how you feel.

JFL think about how girls feel when random guys don't give them eye contact. Pure suifuel for roasties.

 

[Getlooksordie]

Bulgariancel here, you're in for a surprise!

elaborate.

Are you also invisible to all women there if you don´t look like Nick Bateman?

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

- gymcel
- 6ft2
- good career
- white
- atleast an average looking face
- have hobbies
- dress well
- good social skills (I work in sales)

I realize that only looks and race matter in terms of attracting women, but it wasn´t like that 50 years ago.

my reward?

- I´m completely sexually invisible to ALL women

- I absolutely never get any comments about my appearance despite focusing all my efforts on my looks

- I literally never get any sort of eye contact or aknowledgment from women. I could walk through a busy city for hours without one woman giving me eyecontact or acknowledging me in any way.

- I get mass rejected by ALL women, doesn´t matter if they are obese, ugly, old, single moms, etc...

- the last speed dating event I went to I had a 100% rejection rate. Literally every woman that was there rejected me (there were about 30 women there)

- what absolutely drives me nuts is that ugly girls act like I´m so insanely far beneath them and yet when I see those same girls outside they are in relationships with guys that are much uglier than me and have beer guts. The guys are just as ugly as their girlfriends who act like they are 9s while treating me like I´m a 1/10.

>6'2
Congratz, you are in the top 20%, now get out of here and mog incels and approach foids you normie.

 

[Solitarian_Walker]

Something's not right. Are you on the spectrum?

 

[Analhusten]

elaborate.

Are you also invisible to all women there if you don´t look like Nick Bateman?

Pretty much. It's not like women from Eastern Europe are any different. They all exhibit the same "thought" patterns.

 

[FiveFourManlet]

> 6’2, white
> Waaaaaaa Waaaaaaa no SMV

Pick one

 

[Getlooksordie]

Pretty much. It's not like women from Eastern Europe are any different. They all exhibit the same "thought" patterns.

of course all around the world only looks matter in terms of getting attraction. However I was hoping the women there will slightly lower their looks standards if a guy makes roughly 10x more a month than the average Ukrainian guy and because they are looking for a way out of Ukraine.

 

[Opus132]

You are the proverbial nice guy, aren't you.

Agreeableness and other feminine traits in men are a death sentence. You aren't threatening, you aren't dominating, and you have no social status. Women can even smell if you aren't part of any social circle.

You could go PUA except that crap doesn't work. You can't alter your brain any more than you can alter your looks.

BTW, the biggest mistake nice guys make is that they think women are all naturally moggable by virtue of being women. They aren't. Most normie women are as harsh and brutal as the guys they date. Picture any guy you see with a girlfriend and try to see if you could mog him first. Well, that's pretty much the level of mogginess you'd have to posses to get the girl as well.

Ho, and if you are high IQ or have nerdy interests, don't even bother approach working class women, no matter how ugly they are. You'll be sub-human to them because their brains are incapable of understanding any value outside of their base materialism, which they share with the working class men.

The only chance for a nice guy is to find a nice girl, someone that is still easily moggable even by an agreeable personality. Chances are though, Chad-lite already took her and ruined her. An alternative is to find a woman who mogs you, usually someone older and rougher. I've seen that happen often but it doesn't look like an happy outcome to me. This is what i'm talking about:

 

[Deleted member 5861]

You can't alter your brain any more than you can alter your looks.

 

[Getlooksordie]

You are the proverbial nice guy, aren't you.

Agreeableness and other feminine traits in men are a death sentence. You aren't threatening, you aren't dominating, and you have no social status. Women can even smell if you aren't part of any social circle.

You could go PUA except that crap doesn't work. You can't alter your brain any more than you can alter your looks.

BTW, the biggest mistake nice guys make is that they think women are all naturally moggable by virtue of being women. They aren't. Most normie women are as harsh and brutal as the guys they date. Ho, and if you are high IQ or have nerdy interests, don't even bother approach working class women, no matter how ugly they are. You'll be sub-human to them because their brains are incapable of understanding any value outside of their base materialism, which they share with the working class men.

The only chance for a nice guy is to find a nice girl, someone that is still easily moggable even by an agreeable personality. Chances are though. Chad-lite already took her and ruined her. An alternative is to find a woman who mogs you, usually someone older and rougher. I've seen that happen often but it doesn't look like an happy outcome to me.

kek, no I´m not. When I used to approach women in bars I would literally turn away and stop the conversation mid sentence when I felt the woman isn´t interested and only wants to be entertained. Then I´d tell her to fuck off if she tried to reingage for whatever reason.

I look pretty DOM, too.

Personality/what you do/say literally doesn´t have any sort of influence on getting laid anyways. If a woman wants you she will make it painfully obvious.

 

[Opus132]

kek, no I´m not. When I used to approach women in bars I would literally turn away and stop the conversation mid sentence when I felt the woman isn´t interested and only wants to be entertained. Then I´d tell her to fuck off if she tried to reingage for whatever reason.

That's not being dominating though. It is not a question of what you do, but what you are.

I'm not saying you are lying here BTW. I'll take you at your word that you aren't a nice guy. Just pointing out that being outwardly aggressive is not a sign of having a dominating personality. A nice guy doing that will just be seen as nasty and desperate, and the first thing people will say is, ironically, something like "wow, that guy needs to get laid". Indeed.

 

[San Salvador]

- atleast an average looking face

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
STOP LYING, DIPSHIT!
YOU. ARE. UGLY.

 

[big nose bug eyes]

This is another example of incel and especially white entitlement that is frankly getting sad.

"B-b-but I'm tall AND white! I deserve a gf!"

Hahaha. Faggot. If you can't get matches off tinder, I hate to tell you, you probably aren't as good looking as you think.

 

[Getlooksordie]

This is another example of incel and especially white entitlement that is frankly getting sad.

"B-b-but I'm tall AND white! I deserve a gf!"

Hahaha. Faggot. If you can't get matches off tinder, I hate to tell you, you probably aren't as good looking as you think.

When I leave the house I see 3/10 chubby girls dating 6ft5 white chads with 8+/10 faces and the girls are the dominant ones in the relationships and treat their bf like trash.

Yeah, I´m so entitled because I want to have a girl look at me for once.

Go back to cucktears.

 

[big nose bug eyes]

When I leave the house I see 3/10 chubby girls dating 6ft5 white chads with 8+/10 faces and the girls are the dominant ones in the relationships and treat their bf like trash.

Yeah, I´m so entitled because I want to have a girl look at me for once.

Go back to cucktears.

Yeah, you are entitled--

You're listing off things that you think make YOU attractive and then complaining that women don't find it attractive.

You are clearly above average based on what info you gave and therefore I can only conclude you are either lying or doing something very wrong. Don't give me that hypergamy shit that you're not getting laid cause you're not a 7 foot Chad with a 20 inch dick.

 

[Getlooksordie]

Yeah, you are entitled--

You're listing off things that you think make YOU attractive and then complaining that women don't find it attractive.

You are clearly above average based on what info you gave and therefore I can only conclude you are either lying or doing something very wrong. Don't give me that hypergamy shit that you're not getting laid cause you're not a 7 foot Chad with a 20 inch dick.

yeah, whenever a guy can´t get laid he is obviously doing something wrong. No way society or women have anything to do with it.

Just fuck off back to inceltears.

 

[big nose bug eyes]

yeah, whenever a guy can´t get laid he is obviously doing something wrong. No way society or women have anything to do with it.

Just fuck off back to inceltears.

We have manlets, deathnics, and legitimately ugly people that populate this forum. Excuse me if I don't immediately sympathize with your problems. But you are not one of those and if you had just explained that you struggled with women it wouldn't be so bad, the fact that you listed off qualities that people here would kill for and are complaining that no girl will jump on your dick is retarded. If you're really as attractive as you claim then YOU are the problem. Go to a redpill forum or something and learn how to meet women. Most of us are legit truecels.

 

[mylifeistrash]

You are the proverbial nice guy, aren't you.

Agreeableness and other feminine traits in men are a death sentence. You aren't threatening, you aren't dominating, and you have no social status. Women can even smell if you aren't part of any social circle.

You could go PUA except that crap doesn't work. You can't alter your brain any more than you can alter your looks.

BTW, the biggest mistake nice guys make is that they think women are all naturally moggable by virtue of being women. They aren't. Most normie women are as harsh and brutal as the guys they date. Picture any guy you see with a girlfriend and try to see if you could mog him first. Well, that's pretty much the level of mogginess you'd have to posses to get the girl as well.

Ho, and if you are high IQ or have nerdy interests, don't even bother approach working class women, no matter how ugly they are. You'll be sub-human to them because their brains are incapable of understanding any value outside of their base materialism, which they share with the working class men.

The only chance for a nice guy is to find a nice girl, someone that is still easily moggable even by an agreeable personality. Chances are though, Chad-lite already took her and ruined her. An alternative is to find a woman who mogs you, usually someone older and rougher. I've seen that happen often but it doesn't look like an happy outcome to me. This is what i'm talking about:

heh I have one of the worst tempers out of anyone I know and it's never helped me. I've been kicked out of at least 10 bars for getting in confrontations and had the police called on me many times (managed to not get arrested).

no one gives a fuck how badass you act

 

[Solitarian_Walker]

heh I have one of the worst tempers out of anyone I know and it's never helped me. I've been kicked out of at least 10 bars for getting in confrontations and had the police called on me many times (managed to not get arrested).

no one gives a fuck how badass you act

Angry ≠ dominant.

 

[mylifeistrash]

Angry ≠ dominant.

changing goalposts to some ambigious PUA bullshit that can't be measured or definied

"bro you lack THE THING which i can't even specify what exactly THE THING is but you lack it"

 

[theundeadburg]

changing goalposts to some ambigious PUA bullshit that can't be measured or definied

"bro you lack THE THING which i can't even specify what exactly THE THING is but you lack it"

 

[happiless]

If your face isn't sub-4 you should try asking your friends based normie. I think your face is sub-4 though.

 

[Opus132]

changing goalposts to some ambigious PUA bullshit that can't be measured or definied

"bro you lack THE THING which i can't even specify what exactly THE THING is but you lack it"

But he is right. Dominance and being aggressive aren't the same thing. You are the second person now who is making this mistake, and i wonder how many incels operate under this misconception and act angry and aggressive to make women think they aren't nice guys. This is the big fallacy with PUA, because it is not how you act, is what you are.

Of course, this is all relative. If you are 1/10 sub-human having a dominant personality isn't gonna get you far, but the argument was about the OP, who sees himself as not that repulsive physically so it was a logical step for me to ponder whether it was a question of personality.

 

[Jockcel]

blackpill: you cant gain smv without making tons of money

 

[Zaetheus]

Because being white takes 100% effort

 

[Cynistic]

Nice LARP, white and 6'2 ''incel''.
Just get a noodlewhore, if you dont want an asian gf you are an incel.

Also top kek at thinking being white and tall ''takes effort'' necc yoruself retard

 

[Deleted member 5861]

entitlement

 

[Notgoingtomakeit]

Why are you even here OP?

 

[AmeriCel64]

Pic? Anyone working in sales has to have some SMV. Employers want good-looking people to attract customers.

 

[maynarde]

- gymcel
- 6ft2
- good career
- white
- atleast an average looking face
- have hobbies
- dress well
- good social skills (I work in sales)

I realize that only looks and race matter in terms of attracting women, but it wasn´t like that 50 years ago.

my reward?

- I´m completely sexually invisible to ALL women

- I absolutely never get any comments about my appearance despite focusing all my efforts on my looks

- I literally never get any sort of eye contact or aknowledgment from women. I could walk through a busy city for hours without one woman giving me eyecontact or acknowledging me in any way.

- I get mass rejected by ALL women, doesn´t matter if they are obese, ugly, old, single moms, etc...

- the last speed dating event I went to I had a 100% rejection rate. Literally every woman that was there rejected me (there were about 30 women there)

- what absolutely drives me nuts is that ugly girls act like I´m so insanely far beneath them and yet when I see those same girls outside they are in relationships with guys that are much uglier than me and have beer guts. The guys are just as ugly as their girlfriends who act like they are 9s while treating me like I´m a 1/10.

Thug game, muscles, dangerous, corvette

If you're invisible then next step is bad ass look

Pic? Anyone working in sales has to have some SMV. Employers want good-looking people to attract customers.

He is right

You can look pleasant but unmemorable

Think Jon cusack

 

[big nose bug eyes]

Nice LARP, white and 6'2 ''incel''.
Just get a noodlewhore, if you dont want an asian gf you are an incel.

Also top kek at thinking being white and tall ''takes effort'' necc yoruself retard

This. OP is a mental midget who should kill himself preferably but blames his lack of ability to get a gf on "women and society" (lol!) as if they aren't geared specifically for someone like him.

@Getlooksordie you are either abysmally ugly in the face and unable to gauge your attractiveness, or there's something seriously off about you or your personality. You yourself debunked the hypergamy shit because you said you noticed guys shorter/uglier than you with gfs.

Cool face bro, totally doesn't make you look like some butthurt asshole.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

Cool face bro, totally doesn't make you look like some butthurt asshole.

cope

 

[doktordoom]

another failed normie

jfl

 

[GeneticDysfunction]

Be Chad or Be dead