1. Preface
Anyone here knows about this tired idea that the reason incels/sub5's can't get relationships or have sex is due to their lack of hygiene. Because allegedly they don't shower, don't perform skincare, don't get haircuts, don't wash mouth/teeth etc.I am a 32 guy, and I can tell you two things:
- Taking care of my hygiene did get me slightly better common courtesy than before, but IT DID NOT GET ME LAID OR INTO A RELATIONSHIP.
- I've met absolutely disgusting guys that had at least one relationship, and got laid. In fact the tallest one had several.
2. My experiences with this topic
The earliest counter-example that I recall was a guy in middle school with the nickname "Toilets". He had an absolutely foul breath and he never showered, although he was blonde, had a decent height and deep blue eyes. Well, he had at least one girlfriend, and a cute one at that (this girl was from my class and absolutely despised me). He also always wore the same shit to school everyday.Another one, we didn't have a nickname for him but he was absolutely huge for his age. Really tall AND wide, and an above average face to boot. He bullied other kids and actually stole girlfriends from them, I remember one time where he forced tongue kisses on some ill kid's GF, and the kid started crying. Just like "Toilets", this dude didn't shower.
And now for the counter-example that hurts the most - my own dad. My mother forgave EVERYTHING that he did, just because he was attractive, he was a serial cheater, but let's not even talk about that in this thread. He was gross. He was a hunter (which is fine, it's a cool hobby), but then when he came back home, he would still have the boots on, full of mud and shit, and his uniform was absolutely stenched with sweat. It felt like we had a dead skunk in the house.
My dad also had a dog kennel, where he kept his hunting dogs. He would often bring fleas into our house (to this day I'm not sure if he did this on purpose on not, since he has no respect for anyone in the family, and especially not for me (separate thread). Unfortunately, due to perhaps scent or blood type, the fleas would almost exclusively attack me, and the itch they caused was fucking maddening, I couldn't focus during the day or sleep during the night. Now there are ways to manage flea bites (coconut oil, antihistamines, soap+compresses). But my parents were so dysfunctional that they didn't have any of that shit in the house, and I couldn't buy these items myself, since they would steal money from me. Since they were not attacked by these things themselves, they didn't believe me, until I made a trap using a bowl with water, soap and a bit of salt. When these fuckers were visible in the bowl, my mom finally believed me and tried to get my father to stop with this behaviour, but she couldn't pressure him enough, since the likes him better than she likes me.
I also had no privacy in the bathroom. He just barged in and out whenever he wanted to wash his genitals, and I suspect he might've had STDs (remember, he cheated on my mom all the time).
Looking back, it was for the best that I never brought a girl home, because if she got there and there were fleas, she would probably tell everyone she knew, and I would be even more horribly bullied at school.
3. The red herring
I've been wondering about this topic more deeply since I saw content from a gentleman on Youtube - Monday FA Monday/Monday Blue Monday. He was only around in 2019/2020 so if you've missed this window, there are still some archives (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/@DepartmentoDoomeratum) before he cucked out. Anyway, in one of his videos, he claims he found the reason why women kept saying unsuccessful men don't shower. Apparently, he got the information from a woman, so we are off to a bad start already - she said that she can't get HER OWN HUSBAND/BOYFRIEND TO SHOWER, and that's why she keeps telling other men to shower.Here's the obvious piece of the puzzle - if their lack of hygiene was such a dealbreaker, the woman would've broken up the relationship, or better yet, not even entered the relationship in the first place, if those signs were present initially. Evidently, it's not a dealbreaker, and we've been fucked with once again. It's the same shit about being a hard worker, but applied to relationships with women instead.
4. Conclusion
I still take care of my hygiene due to health concerns, but it's a habit that I've acquired later in life. Currently it's one of the very few copes I have left, and there are specific things like shaving that make me feel genuinely better.But the benefits are not as spectacular as promised by normies, if you're a sub5. In 32 years (last 22 I've been religiously taking care of hygiene), I have NEVER BEEN APPROACHED, and I only lost my virginity because it was an escort. My short height, facial asymmetry, leg asymmetry provoking scoliosis, mouth breathing (caused by deviated septum), dark bags under the eyes caused by lack of sleep had MUCH more of an impact than the presence/lack of hygiene. I still get looks of confusion and disgust in public transport, and I would've gone fucking crazy if it weren't for earbuds.
I don't even know what to suggest here. I guess you'd have to tackle more serious health issues (assuming you even have the money for it), and then, if you're successful, use hygiene as a form of soft-looksmaxxing.
