Opus132
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The issue with this argument is that those who utter it seem to believe the problem with incels is that they think they are entitled to sex and are mad they can't get any hence their anger against women and the right the latter abrogate for themselves to "choose" whom they want to slut around with, where as the issue is that not having sex (and also love, validation etc) is a cause of suffering, and whether anyone here thinks they are entitled to that or not, and whether one might end up hating women for their continuous denial of this fundamental necessity for the emotional and psychological well being of a male individual is completely besides the point.
Indeed, the complaint is not that one is being denied some kind of luxury which incels arrogantly expect they ought to have access to (like a well to do person complaining they can't get a pool for their big house, as if incels are otherwise fine whether they have sex and love or not). The complaint is that a basic and fundamental need remains unfulfilled through no other fault than accident of birth, which causes intense pain and suffering which society simply won't acknowledge, hypocritically, for matters of love routinely drive normal people to extreme acts, including murder or suicide, demonstrating this is NOT the light and trivial matter critics of inceldom say it is.
Furthermore, because of the denial that attraction is based almost entirely on things a person simply does not have any control over (whether it's physical traits or even mental traits), and the delusional belief that the attraction and affection of a woman is won through effort as well as upright character and conduct (the implication being that women are fundamentally and inherently, as in, in principle, not merely in fact, moral creatures whose affections and love are given to those who "deserve" it by virtue of their righteous qualities), exacerbate the suffering of being denied access to this fundamental necessity by adding ridicule and moral reproach on top of it. Incels are derided for being "failures" and "losers", again, under the rubric attraction is "won" through effort, rather than right of birth. But more odiously still, incels are finally accused of possessing repugnant personal traits and being morally deficient in general. After all, there must be a "reason" women can't love them, again, if we follow the idea that the affection of women is extended to those who deserve it for being "good", and no other reason.
Thus, on top of ridicule incels must also suffer from outright enmity, a predicament which MIGHT just drive a person to develop hateful and aberrant personalities and attitudes, which of course are quickly taken to be "proof" that the reproach against incels is correct, even though this hatred and aberration is the RESULT of inceldom and not the cause of it. This is particularly true once we begin to examine the realities of so called "love" and "attraction". How the affection of women is bestowed purely on those who meet a certain standard of physical attractiveness, irregardless of any personal or moral quality those men may posses. How women routinely chose men of dubious if not outright odious moral character over men of far greater virtue. How women routinely demonstrate immoral and odious behaviors themselves. And finally, how women are never reproached for any fault they might have, how they can never be told what to do or how to behave, even though in many cases nothing seems to be beyond the pale for certain women and the amount of entitlements women abrogate for themselves is nigh without limits. If a woman wants to cheat with other men, she ought to be free to do so and we can call this an "open" relationship. If a woman is overweight, she is entitled to the attention and affection of men and is never asked to improve herself or "work" to make herself appealing to males (in fact, it is up to society to "alter" their conception of beauty, which is as Orwellian as it gets). If a woman wants to lead a purely promiscuous and licentious existence, she is free to do so, and nobody has a right to question her virtue or her character for it. Women are beyond all rules and standards of morality, and increasingly, beyond the law itself. BUT, despite all this, the only reason incels cannot obtain the love of a woman is that they are simply "bad" people (even as women routinely fall in "love" with criminals and murderers).
To the degree hatred of women might be unjustified, given that nobody can help whom they are attracted with (which goes both ways, for there are women so hideous no incel would ever want to lie with, thus making their misogyny hypocritical if attraction was the only thing in question) the amount of SCORN that is heaped upon incels based purely on lies normal people tell themselves in order to avoid acknowledging their own baseness, their own superficiality, and their own moral faults, MIGHT just drive one to anger and hatred. If people were frank and open about the facts of "love" and sexual attraction, much of the animosity incels harbor for society might be defused. Some will still react negatively and possibly will still be driven to unjustified hatred, for the suffering of being denied this basic necessity remains there, but at the very least one does not have to bear the brunt of this continuous and relentless societal condemnation based on fraudulent and false assumptions regarding the nature of romantic and sexual attraction that exist purely to hypocritically make normal people feel better about themselves, almost as if reproaching incels for made up moral flaws was intended to reinforce those very lies that grant normal people the privilege to never having to look at themselves in the mirror.
Ultimately, if incels were at the very least allowed to bear their suffering in peace, they could eventually come to terms with it and find solace in whatever else life has to offer. Instead, they must be made into a target of scorn and ridicule in order that others may enjoy a guilty free conscience regarding THEIR entitlements and THEIR pettiness, superficiality and greed.
Indeed, the complaint is not that one is being denied some kind of luxury which incels arrogantly expect they ought to have access to (like a well to do person complaining they can't get a pool for their big house, as if incels are otherwise fine whether they have sex and love or not). The complaint is that a basic and fundamental need remains unfulfilled through no other fault than accident of birth, which causes intense pain and suffering which society simply won't acknowledge, hypocritically, for matters of love routinely drive normal people to extreme acts, including murder or suicide, demonstrating this is NOT the light and trivial matter critics of inceldom say it is.
Furthermore, because of the denial that attraction is based almost entirely on things a person simply does not have any control over (whether it's physical traits or even mental traits), and the delusional belief that the attraction and affection of a woman is won through effort as well as upright character and conduct (the implication being that women are fundamentally and inherently, as in, in principle, not merely in fact, moral creatures whose affections and love are given to those who "deserve" it by virtue of their righteous qualities), exacerbate the suffering of being denied access to this fundamental necessity by adding ridicule and moral reproach on top of it. Incels are derided for being "failures" and "losers", again, under the rubric attraction is "won" through effort, rather than right of birth. But more odiously still, incels are finally accused of possessing repugnant personal traits and being morally deficient in general. After all, there must be a "reason" women can't love them, again, if we follow the idea that the affection of women is extended to those who deserve it for being "good", and no other reason.
Thus, on top of ridicule incels must also suffer from outright enmity, a predicament which MIGHT just drive a person to develop hateful and aberrant personalities and attitudes, which of course are quickly taken to be "proof" that the reproach against incels is correct, even though this hatred and aberration is the RESULT of inceldom and not the cause of it. This is particularly true once we begin to examine the realities of so called "love" and "attraction". How the affection of women is bestowed purely on those who meet a certain standard of physical attractiveness, irregardless of any personal or moral quality those men may posses. How women routinely chose men of dubious if not outright odious moral character over men of far greater virtue. How women routinely demonstrate immoral and odious behaviors themselves. And finally, how women are never reproached for any fault they might have, how they can never be told what to do or how to behave, even though in many cases nothing seems to be beyond the pale for certain women and the amount of entitlements women abrogate for themselves is nigh without limits. If a woman wants to cheat with other men, she ought to be free to do so and we can call this an "open" relationship. If a woman is overweight, she is entitled to the attention and affection of men and is never asked to improve herself or "work" to make herself appealing to males (in fact, it is up to society to "alter" their conception of beauty, which is as Orwellian as it gets). If a woman wants to lead a purely promiscuous and licentious existence, she is free to do so, and nobody has a right to question her virtue or her character for it. Women are beyond all rules and standards of morality, and increasingly, beyond the law itself. BUT, despite all this, the only reason incels cannot obtain the love of a woman is that they are simply "bad" people (even as women routinely fall in "love" with criminals and murderers).
To the degree hatred of women might be unjustified, given that nobody can help whom they are attracted with (which goes both ways, for there are women so hideous no incel would ever want to lie with, thus making their misogyny hypocritical if attraction was the only thing in question) the amount of SCORN that is heaped upon incels based purely on lies normal people tell themselves in order to avoid acknowledging their own baseness, their own superficiality, and their own moral faults, MIGHT just drive one to anger and hatred. If people were frank and open about the facts of "love" and sexual attraction, much of the animosity incels harbor for society might be defused. Some will still react negatively and possibly will still be driven to unjustified hatred, for the suffering of being denied this basic necessity remains there, but at the very least one does not have to bear the brunt of this continuous and relentless societal condemnation based on fraudulent and false assumptions regarding the nature of romantic and sexual attraction that exist purely to hypocritically make normal people feel better about themselves, almost as if reproaching incels for made up moral flaws was intended to reinforce those very lies that grant normal people the privilege to never having to look at themselves in the mirror.
Ultimately, if incels were at the very least allowed to bear their suffering in peace, they could eventually come to terms with it and find solace in whatever else life has to offer. Instead, they must be made into a target of scorn and ridicule in order that others may enjoy a guilty free conscience regarding THEIR entitlements and THEIR pettiness, superficiality and greed.
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