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The job market has gotten WAY worse than it was back when I first started working.

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I remember when I got hired for the second job I ever had. I literally just walked into the store, filled out an application (which was only a single page) and the assistant manager came out to the dining area and spoke with me for maybe 5 minutes. I didn't even realize it, but that was actually the interview, very informal. The next day I got a call telling me when my hours were and when to pick up my uniform. They didn't even ask for a resume or references. This was back in 2006, and while this was just a burger flipping job, you won't find an employer anywhere that has such a simple hiring process...not even for minimum wage work.

I recently got a second job (ergo why I've been posting less) but just trying to get this job was an absolute nightmare...and this is just part time, minimum wage. Employers these days make you jump through all sorts of hoops and hurdles for even the lowest paying jobs. The standard process now is to:

  1. Submit your resume
  2. Fill out application online
  3. Fill out a lengthy "personality" and or aptitude test online
  4. Wait for a call
  5. Get a call for an initial interview
  6. Show up in a pressed suit and tie along with a bunch of other applicants wearing pressed suits and ties all applying for the same minimum wage job
  7. Wait for a call for a second interview
  8. If you're lucky you'll get a second interview with someone higher up in the company
  9. Wait for a call AGAIN or, much more likely, an e-mail saying "we're considering other candidates at this time"

And considering how literally hundreds of people will apply to any given position even if it's minimum wage (job market equivalent of juggernaut law) that means you'll be doing the majority of the above steps many, many times before actually getting a job. Seriously looking for a job is like a part time (if not full time) job.

I know everyone here is wondering why I'm talking about the obvious...but the thing is, it wasn't always this way. And it wasn't even THAT long ago that things were different. When I first started working, many employers didn't even ask for a resume if it was minimum wage. What the fuck do people looking for a job right out of high school even put on a resume if they have no experience to begin with?

"B-But muh low unemployment numbers" For those who don't know, the "unemployment rate" (at least in the United States) is just the percent of people who are currently collecting unemployment. This heavily misleading statistic does NOT account for:

  1. People who quit their previous job (thus not eligible for unemployment)
  2. People who were on unemployment, but their benefits ran out but who are still unemployed
  3. People who were fired but were not able to get unemployment benefits because their employer fought it and won. (Most employers try to prevent you from getting unemployment benefits if you get fired because the more people who collect unemployment benefits who worked for them, the higher their unemployment insurance will be).
  4. People who have dropped out of the job market completely (This includes NEETs).

J-just be an plumber or eletrician bro! JFL at anyone who believes this meme. This is truly the epitome of boomer advice. This advice has been mindlessly thrown around for decades now. Many fell for this meme and as a result, these fields are as oversaturated as any. Trade schools have increased their tuition dramatically and most have long waiting lists because so many people are going.

At one of my old jobs, there was a guy who was a plumber, he was working 3rd shift and for minimum wage. He said it was decent pay if you got clients, but getting clients consistently was impossible. He was so desperate he was willing to travel up to an hour each way for a client. The fact that a plumber is working a second job, third shift, for minimum wage says a lot.

Almost forgot to mention this, but if you're ugly and one of your interviewers is a woman, your chances are very slim. If it's a woman over 45 you're chances are slightly better (in my experience, maybe you get a youth halo that could make you look acceptable enough if you're not TOO ugly) but if your interviewer is a millennial woman, IT'S OVER.
 
The job hiring bullshit process is just a way for boomers to lord what little authority they have over the serf millenial and zoomer class
 
Crazy shit, man.
 
Way back in the day the process was ask if there are any vacancies in person, manager or owner says yes or no, if yes come in tomorrow & we'll give you a go, after the day is up if you've not been sent home you're probably in, no resume, no bullshit questions, no wait, no suit, no 200 ppl applying for 1 vacancy, no second interview, no 3 on 1 interviews.

Job market is like women, more applying for it, standards expected of you keep going up thanks to being swamped with options & the quality of what you're getting is shit.
 
This is infuriating, it's one of the few things that makes my blood boil, makes me seethe with anger. This whole fucking CHARADE, this fucking game that rich FUCKS play with us the fucking plebs, the whole sick fucking system designed to make you beg for the fucking honor to be a god damn slave, making us jump through hoops for fucking scraps while they're not doing shit all day, fucking their 50 fucking secretaries while earning a thousand times what we do. And then they tell us we're entitled. And I'm gonna die a poor fucking man despite working full fucking time and being frugal as shit.
 
Now you need a social media presence, I went for a job back in 2012 and the director was shocked I had no social media. He apparently had looked for my name on FB, Twitter, and found nothing. JFL, I had accounts but if they had seen my “conservative” viewpoints, I was never getting a call to walk in imo.
 
Friendly reminder that chad can drop out of HS and become a model while you await that phone call that may never happen for a minimum wage job
 
Now you need a social media presence, I went for a job back in 2012 and the director was shocked I had no social media. He apparently had looked for my name on FB, Twitter, and found nothing. JFL, I had accounts but if they had seen my “conservative” viewpoints, I was never getting a call to walk in imo.

Oh yeah, if you have even slightly spicy or politically incorrect views or jokes anywhere on social media and your employer sees you're DONE. People are getting fired for things they said on the internet YEARS ago. A couple years ago I met a guy who that happened to. He got fired for a tweet from like 5 years prior. He said he was certain it wasn't even HR, but one of his co-workers who found the tweet because there was cut-throat competition and everyone was getting their hours cut.
 
While Chad takes a few selfies and gets thousand on end, you rot in a job you hate.
 
I applied at Target and they gave me a phone interview and in person with gay ass questions like "describe a time u overcame something" or some shit before rejecting me. Mcdicks gave me a phone interview and in person interview with more basic questions and let me sit for a week or so before calling me back and hiring me but I never showed up for the first day. The two manual labor jobs I've had that pay more than the previous I listed paid more and just hired me with minimal questioning. My current job (2nd labor job) is a small company so that may change things.

https://incels.is/threads/do-you-have-existential-crisis-everyday-at-work.120476/ do ya? I find it impressive and depressing that you are a wizard working minimum wage and haven't killed yourself. Most people just seem to lack the existential dread I have of having to work period for some reason.
 
if you're ugly and one of your interviewers is a woman, your chances are very slim.
Very true, all my interviews with women were complete failures, one of them actually laughed in my face when she saw me. Geting a male interviewer is your only shot, women will fuck you over.
 
It's a joke, especially when you lack friends/family and contacts that could help! An immigrant stands a better chance for the shitty minimum wage/agency job else. Even if you have a good qualification or degree it doesn't help much if you have no experience, especially if over 30.
 
Now you need a social media presene, I went for a job back in 2012 and the director was shocked I had no social media. He apparently had looked for my name on FB, Twitter, and found nothing. JFL, I had accounts but if they had seen my “conservative” viewpoints, I was never getting a call to walk in imo.

That is fucking irritating af fuck social media and the sheep that use that shit,I have family(cousins) that I hardly ever see or talk to but they are always on fakebook and try to contact me I don't have an account and don't want one either bunch of gossiping narcissists that just want to brag and show off their boring lives and compete with others over trivial bullshit and create inadequacies.
 
At one of my old jobs, there was a guy who was a plumber, he was working 3rd shift and for minimum wage. He said it was decent pay if you got clients, but getting clients consistently was impossible. He was so desperate he was willing to travel up to an hour each way for a client. The fact that a plumber is working a second job, third shift, for minimum wage says a lot.

While men are working hard and earn little money, females do less work and ear neven more per hour in a cozy office environment.
 
I know man, it's brutal out there, I had to go through this shit myself multiple times over until one worked out.
 
I find the more populated your city is, the worse it gets. When i lived in a major city, there were literally 600 applications for every open slot at fedex, amazon, ups etc etc.

And yes the REAL unemployment numbers have got to be sky high by now. Drive through LA or san fran, or any major city ... there are homeless men EVERYWHERE.

A recent study found the majority of adults under the age of 35, are having to ask their parents for money to pay their bills.

The media keeps telling lies, telling us the economy is so good ... in reality it's only good for the wealthy people. For the rest of us, it's as fucked as it's ever been.
 
I aced an interview once and then they immediately told me I had a follow-up interview with a whole different group of people. Frankly I’m not fake enough nor do I have the stamina for two long-ass interviews back-to-back with a shitload of people.

I came out of there feeling dejected as shit. Then they fucking called me to tell me I wasn’t confident enough for the job. Dude not confident enough for your shit, dead-end job run by obese orbiters and landwhales?

This world fucking sucks for ugly people. It’s over.
 
Tough times all around and it's not just for minimum wage jobs. I've been making some mobile games on the side and every week I get a few emails from composers, artists, writers and translators asking if they can lend a hand in return for exposure (their name in the credits). Mind you my games are not even popular and still I could get interns if I needed them. It won't be long until the market is oversaturated with programmers too.
I'd offer some advice but it wouldn't be anything you haven't heard of thought of before.
 
I can not confirm this for the field of work I am employed in. You get a job pretty easily.
 
I aced an interview once and then they immediately told me I had a follow-up interview with a whole different group of people. Frankly I’m not fake enough nor do I have the stamina for two long-ass interviews back-to-back with a shitload of people.

I came out of there feeling dejected as shit. Then they fucking called me to tell me I wasn’t confident enough for the job. Dude not confident enough for your shit, dead-end job run by obese orbiters and landwhales?

This world fucking sucks for ugly people. It’s over.

Replace confident with "good looking"
 
Almost forgot to mention this, but if you're ugly and one of your interviewers is a woman, your chances are very slim. If it's a woman over 45 you're chances are slightly better (in my experience, maybe you get a youth halo that could make you look acceptable enough if you're not TOO ugly) but if your interviewer is a millennial woman, IT'S OVER.

This is pure scientific truth. Every time I managed to get hired, the interviewer was a man or an older woman. Millennial women can't tell the difference between applying for a job and applying for a date. In her mind, NO CHAD, NO HIRE.
 
it's self employee times

Gainful self-employment is a pipe dream for most men (women can just become "e-girls" and get tons of cash from desperate, socially isolated men who crave validation, even if it's artificial).

Any idea you've thought of was thought of a million times before.

Start a business? Chances are it will fail off the rip, probably before you recoup your startup costs.

Sell on ebay? Enjoy competing with chinese sellers who are willing to make just a few cents on a transaction. Enjoy competing with sellers who are much more established with 10,000+ feedback that the algorithm will prioritize in search results over you. Enjoy competing with sellers that can undercut you, selling at a price that would be a loss for you because they're able to buy at a much higher quantity than you.

Sell on amazon? Most of the above problems + the fact that lots of users only order from sellers with prime delivery, which means paying for warehouse space on top of your seller fees. Not worth it at all unless you have a lot of money you're willing to invest and even then it's a gamble and you might end up struggling to break even.

Unless you have a unique talent/skill-set that is highly marketable, you're almost certain to fail.
 
Gainful self-employment is a pipe dream for most men (women can just become "e-girls" and get tons of cash from desperate, socially isolated men who crave validation, even if it's artificial).

Any idea you've thought of was thought of a million times before.

Start a business? Chances are it will fail off the rip, probably before you recoup your startup costs.

Sell on ebay? Enjoy competing with chinese sellers who are willing to make just a few cents on a transaction. Enjoy competing with sellers who are much more established with 10,000+ feedback that the algorithm will prioritize in search results over you. Enjoy competing with sellers that can undercut you, selling at a price that would be a loss for you because they're able to buy at a much higher quantity than you.

Sell on amazon? Most of the above problems + the fact that lots of users only order from sellers with prime delivery, which means paying for warehouse space on top of your seller fees. Not worth it at all unless you have a lot of money you're willing to invest and even then it's a gamble and you might end up struggling to break even.

Unless you have a unique talent/skill-set that is highly marketable, you're almost certain to fail.

Basically most self-employed men will be working much harder than they would have a regular job but for much less $, if they even make any profit at all. Then they gotta pay like $1000 a month for health insurance.
 
the tough part is how little employers need to worry about getting the best talent, so many people can fill a single job that it often just comes down to who you know and your personality than ur skills
 
The Jew, feminist and homosexual get the best paying jobs.
Adolf Hitler was right on one thing.
 
just mug foids in dark alleys tbh
The Jew, feminist and homosexual get the best paying jobs.
Adolf Hitler was right on one thing.

he was right on nearly everything
 
Replace confident with "good looking"

This can’t be stressed enough with jobs. Not every job is run by chads and foids, but landwhales and orbiters who do the hiring want to hire good-looking people because they were rejected by good-looking people their entire lives.

The only way good-looking people will give these landwhales any respect is if they hire them. Then they feel like they are a part of the “popular” group for the first time in their lives. So they then bully us worse than even the foids and chads do. I would much rather have a foid or chad boss than a hideous landwhale. They become the biggest bullies ever, and they bully us.
 
Gainful self-employment is a pipe dream for most men (women can just become "e-girls" and get tons of cash from desperate, socially isolated men who crave validation, even if it's artificial).

Any idea you've thought of was thought of a million times before.

Start a business? Chances are it will fail off the rip, probably before you recoup your startup costs.

Sell on ebay? Enjoy competing with chinese sellers who are willing to make just a few cents on a transaction. Enjoy competing with sellers who are much more established with 10,000+ feedback that the algorithm will prioritize in search results over you. Enjoy competing with sellers that can undercut you, selling at a price that would be a loss for you because they're able to buy at a much higher quantity than you.

Sell on amazon? Most of the above problems + the fact that lots of users only order from sellers with prime delivery, which means paying for warehouse space on top of your seller fees. Not worth it at all unless you have a lot of money you're willing to invest and even then it's a gamble and you might end up struggling to break even.

Unless you have a unique talent/skill-set that is highly marketable, you're almost certain to fail.
I just gave up the first world and translocated to second world lite(kek) and opened my business here, there is competence but far from my home country.

First world is like you say, either you are good looking with social skills to work for the rich or nothing tbh.

I would say that self employee may work still with enough money for the first inversion, opening a business seems very risky but is not, you have to drop your profit margin to keep being alive and try to dump your competition and then you can start making real cash.

You can even live of taking care of dogs if you weren't incel, you have to have certain minimal looks to be self employed but you can still try it may work.

If you are smart and are decided to take some risk you can definitely pull it can't say anything more in a public forum.:feelstrash:

Learn economics and have open mind for everything
 
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FUCK being a wageslave. NEET 4 life
 
tell me about it.

I didn’t even get a maccies job that was a 15 minute walk away, even after my second interview. I was NEET back then and available 24/7 too
JFL
 
Future employers will look you up on social media. I personally think that going on social media is retarded and them trying to find me but not finding anything from me will be shocking to them once I get a job.
 
What the fuck do people looking for a job right out of high school even put on a resume if they have no experience to begin with?

Thus we enter the Job-Work experience paradox:
l-16113-you-need-2-years-of-experience-for-this-job.jpg
 
I know everyone here is wondering why I'm talking about the obvious...but the thing is, it wasn't always this way. And it wasn't even THAT long ago that things were different. When I first started working, many employers didn't even ask for a resume if it was minimum wage. What the fuck do people looking for a job right out of high school even put on a resume if they have no experience to begin with?
This or idiotic foids interviewer (they tend to be foids 90% of the times now. Millennial foids) asking you "how will you contribute to the industry?" When your job would be flipping burgers or selling shoes.
Like, are you even serious, whore?
The job hiring bullshit process is just a way for boomers to lord what little authority they have over the serf millenial and zoomer class
Boomers allowed feminism and globalism into our culture and now they get mad when we criticize those degeneracies and the destruction they caused
The job hiring bullshit process is just a way for boomers to lord what little authority they have over the serf millenial and zoomer class
Boomers allowed feminism and globalism into our culture and now they get mad when we criticize those degeneracies and the destruction they caused
It's a joke, especially when you lack friends/family and contacts that could help! An immigrant stands a better chance for the shitty minimum wage/agency job else. Even if you have a good qualification or degree it doesn't help much if you have no experience, especially if over 30.
This is infuriating, it's one of the few things that makes my blood boil, makes me seethe with anger. This whole fucking CHARADE, this fucking game that rich FUCKS play with us the fucking plebs, the whole sick fucking system designed to make you beg for the fucking honor to be a god damn slave, making us jump through hoops for fucking scraps while they're not doing shit all day, fucking their 50 fucking secretaries while earning a thousand times what we do. And then they tell us we're entitled. And I'm gonna die a poor fucking man despite working full fucking time and being frugal as shit.
Simple as that. It will become worse till a violent uprising would be needed
 

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Employers these days make you jump through all sorts of hoops and hurdles for even the lowest paying jobs.
You can say that again
 
I aced an interview once and then they immediately told me I had a follow-up interview with a whole different group of people. Frankly I’m not fake enough nor do I have the stamina for two long-ass interviews back-to-back with a shitload of people.

I came out of there feeling dejected as shit. Then they fucking called me to tell me I wasn’t confident enough for the job. Dude not confident enough for your shit, dead-end job run by obese orbiters and landwhales?

This world fucking sucks for ugly people. It’s over.

I had three rounds of interviews once, I didn’t get the job and then they called me back in because the people didn’t pan out. Never got a reason as to why but the guy was bitching about my lack of work experience even though the goddamn ad for it said either experience or a degree and I had the latter. I don’t know what experience was needed to answer phones and refer to a guidebook.
 
I don't think it was that much different in the past. Uglies still didn't get hired. Main difference now is that online job sites make applying super easy, which makes it harder for the socially anxious uggos to get a job. I never had any luck with those websites, but I always got hired at places I applied to offline.
 
Extremely high IQ post and writing style. This was foreseen by many intellectuals ahead of their time. In an ideal capitalist society, staff should be valuable, resulting in companies and the government competing with each other to provide the best salary/insurance/benefits to their potential staff. In reality, with uncontrolled mass immigration and foids entering the workforce, the staff has become a very cheap article, so much so that no competition for it is needed. Why would a company want to compete with other companies to provide the best conditions for their staff when they get hundreds of applications no matter how shitty and financially unsatisfying the job is? As expected by them, the current situation followed.
Unless you have a unique talent/skill-set that is highly marketable, you're almost certain to fail.
This is the only solution (individually). Even if you miraculously get a job that doesn't fall into said category, it'll be very harsh and you'll probably end up losing it in short-term. It'll be like a band-aid.
 
You need a degree just to supervise the flipping of burgers in McDonalds these days. Something a monkey could do.

Everybodies is obsessed with references as well. Basically just a piece of paper with people telling you you'd make a good worker.

I remember my first job in a griocery store back in 1998. My line manager was 24 and had no high school qualifications.
 
I can not confirm this for the field of work I am employed in. You get a job pretty easily.
what field?
Gainful self-employment is a pipe dream for most men (women can just become "e-girls" and get tons of cash from desperate, socially isolated men who crave validation, even if it's artificial).

Any idea you've thought of was thought of a million times before.

Start a business? Chances are it will fail off the rip, probably before you recoup your startup costs.

Sell on ebay? Enjoy competing with chinese sellers who are willing to make just a few cents on a transaction. Enjoy competing with sellers who are much more established with 10,000+ feedback that the algorithm will prioritize in search results over you. Enjoy competing with sellers that can undercut you, selling at a price that would be a loss for you because they're able to buy at a much higher quantity than you.

Sell on amazon? Most of the above problems + the fact that lots of users only order from sellers with prime delivery, which means paying for warehouse space on top of your seller fees. Not worth it at all unless you have a lot of money you're willing to invest and even then it's a gamble and you might end up struggling to break even.

Unless you have a unique talent/skill-set that is highly marketable, you're almost certain to fail.
High eye queue.

If you aren't in a good position already there is no room for you in this economy, almost all your attempts to succeed will be trying to push yourself into something that is already full. The future looks bleak, especially for young people and working-class men.
 
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this is how its always been for me. the thing that pisses me off is when they ask for a resume and then on top o that make you list out your past jobs one by one its in the fucking resume
 
Simple as that. It will become worse till a violent uprising would be needed
Cope. We already need one and it won't happen.

As long as the government is able to keep the economy somehow gasping and wheezing along, the people can be conditioned to
accept any outrage. Despite the continuing inflation and the gradually declining standard of living, most people are still able to
keep their bellies full today, and we must simply face the fact that that's the only thing which counts with most of them.
 
I remember when I got hired for the second job I ever had. I literally just walked into the store, filled out an application (which was only a single page) and the assistant manager came out to the dining area and spoke with me for maybe 5 minutes. I didn't even realize it, but that was actually the interview, very informal. The next day I got a call telling me when my hours were and when to pick up my uniform. They didn't even ask for a resume or references. This was back in 2006, and while this was just a burger flipping job, you won't find an employer anywhere that has such a simple hiring process...not even for minimum wage work.

I recently got a second job (ergo why I've been posting less) but just trying to get this job was an absolute nightmare...and this is just part time, minimum wage. Employers these days make you jump through all sorts of hoops and hurdles for even the lowest paying jobs. The standard process now is to:

  1. Submit your resume
  2. Fill out application online
  3. Fill out a lengthy "personality" and or aptitude test online
  4. Wait for a call
  5. Get a call for an initial interview
  6. Show up in a pressed suit and tie along with a bunch of other applicants wearing pressed suits and ties all applying for the same minimum wage job
  7. Wait for a call for a second interview
  8. If you're lucky you'll get a second interview with someone higher up in the company
  9. Wait for a call AGAIN or, much more likely, an e-mail saying "we're considering other candidates at this time"
And considering how literally hundreds of people will apply to any given position even if it's minimum wage (job market equivalent of juggernaut law) that means you'll be doing the majority of the above steps many, many times before actually getting a job. Seriously looking for a job is like a part time (if not full time) job.

I know everyone here is wondering why I'm talking about the obvious...but the thing is, it wasn't always this way. And it wasn't even THAT long ago that things were different. When I first started working, many employers didn't even ask for a resume if it was minimum wage. What the fuck do people looking for a job right out of high school even put on a resume if they have no experience to begin with?

"B-But muh low unemployment numbers" For those who don't know, the "unemployment rate" (at least in the United States) is just the percent of people who are currently collecting unemployment. This heavily misleading statistic does NOT account for:

  1. People who quit their previous job (thus not eligible for unemployment)
  2. People who were on unemployment, but their benefits ran out but who are still unemployed
  3. People who were fired but were not able to get unemployment benefits because their employer fought it and won. (Most employers try to prevent you from getting unemployment benefits if you get fired because the more people who collect unemployment benefits who worked for them, the higher their unemployment insurance will be).
  4. People who have dropped out of the job market completely (This includes NEETs).
J-just be an plumber or eletrician bro! JFL at anyone who believes this meme. This is truly the epitome of boomer advice. This advice has been mindlessly thrown around for decades now. Many fell for this meme and as a result, these fields are as oversaturated as any. Trade schools have increased their tuition dramatically and most have long waiting lists because so many people are going.

At one of my old jobs, there was a guy who was a plumber, he was working 3rd shift and for minimum wage. He said it was decent pay if you got clients, but getting clients consistently was impossible. He was so desperate he was willing to travel up to an hour each way for a client. The fact that a plumber is working a second job, third shift, for minimum wage says a lot.

Almost forgot to mention this, but if you're ugly and one of your interviewers is a woman, your chances are very slim. If it's a woman over 45 you're chances are slightly better (in my experience, maybe you get a youth halo that could make you look acceptable enough if you're not TOO ugly) but if your interviewer is a millennial woman, IT'S OVER.
JFL at not going NEET in 2019.

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just mug foids in dark alleys tbh
Yeah, if you can't get neetbux and you're trying to escape from mom's basement, you'll have to thugmaxx if you're incel.
Cope. We already need one and it won't happen.

As long as the government is able to keep the economy somehow gasping and wheezing along, the people can be conditioned to
accept any outrage. Despite the continuing inflation and the gradually declining standard of living, most people are still able to
keep their bellies full today, and we must simply face the fact that that's the only thing which counts with most of them.
We need a new Lenin
 
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The job hiring bullshit process is just a way for boomers to lord what little authority they have over the serf millenial and zoomer class
 
It's over if you aren't a good-looking sociable person, preferably with a hole between your legs, and don't have an indication from someone.
 
Cope. We already need one and it won't happen.

As long as the government is able to keep the economy somehow gasping and wheezing along, the people can be conditioned to
accept any outrage. Despite the continuing inflation and the gradually declining standard of living, most people are still able to
keep their bellies full today, and we must simply face the fact that that's the only thing which counts with most of them.
No. The situation has yet to reach its worst
It's over if you aren't a good-looking sociable person, preferably with a hole between your legs, and don't have an indication from someone.
 
Is there a market that is not oversaturated nowadays?
 

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