Serious The hoax of "mental illness"

[Jud Pottah]

interesting thread man, yes it's possible to have genetic risk factors for craziness, or suffer from heavy metal poisoning that triggers mental problems, but they're rarely the whole story, especially when you're studying people that are really nuts and have clearly been through a lot of pain

what you see with a lot of people is indeed what your guy said, they accumulate too many bad experiences, and then keep re-living them because they have nothing else to do, which creates a feedback loop that ends with them talking in public and acting like a nutso

i was following this crazy old lonely guy on Youtube, and all his videos were him having monologues about bad life experiences, where he would do things like repeat what his bullies said to him in a mocking tone, then curse them and call them out, and he just got more and more unhinged over the years, and more willing to do things like talk to himself in public, shit was like a case study, and often relatable

there's a reason why mental institutions started getting closed in the 60s and 70s, it's because they were often just torture chambers for terminally unhappy and frustrated people

Yeah .. there was a youtube vlogger i used to watch that met that description, his name was Rizzle Dizzle i.e Your Lord And Savior (now deleted)

 

[Jud Pottah]

High IQ thread.

You've explored why both psychiatry and therapy don't work.


For the low IQ cels, this is OP's main thesis.


That's a good way to phrase it. The parameters for what constitutes "normal" in psychiatry and psychology are extremely narrow. Any slight deviations and you're at risk for being x, y and z. Psychology's and psychiatry's conformity parameters are narrower than society's, but this is probably by design in order to be conservative (in "treatments") and over-correct deviations from the social norms.

it's all about making big pharma another buck, a new client, and making Satan proud!

 

[Jud Pottah]

I understand what you're getting at and the comparison Szasz was making, but I don't think your conclusion is entirely correct.
I don't think there's a human need for religion itself. The problem is twofold: hierarchy is a natural tendency in nature (not just humans but also other animals), and humans are also unsatisfied with simply fulfilling their biological functions, unlike other animals.
The tendency towards hierarchization ends up creating politics, culture, and also religion. Religion is just one of those systems of hierarchy.
However, since religion provides a metaphysical background and a "higher end" for humans that isn't simply rooted in earthly living and fulfillment of animalistic/instinctual needs, it is very enticing for humans and has drawn a lot of people over history.
But as we have seen, religion has been replaced with many other forms of idolatry - culture, status, politics, scientism, illuminism (man is god), humanitarianism, etc.
It just means humans make their way towards making up coping mechanisms to distract themselves from their raw animalistic natures (we're no different from other animals on a core level), Ernest Becker, also influenced by Szasz, has interesting insights (although I don't completely agree with him) about the subject in the book "The Denial of Death", which resonates a lot with what I've thought about this over the last years:

The Denial of Death - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

While I agree that these systems of illusion were the reason civilization came up and united groups, I think that going away from accepting this reality of our earthly nature is actually a denial of life itself, and the making of these surrogate activities and beliefs is what brought us to completely disbelief and lack of higher purpose in the current zeitgeist on an individual level, because they were never capable of replacing the simple fulfillment of these natural desires/needs we as humans have (survival and reproduction).

That's why I don't think there's a solution to this, much less so on a collective level. In fact, any collective "solution" is actually just means of control and hierarchy in order to build "civilization" while suppressing individual needs. These beliefs systems will simply replace one another until we go back completely to primitive social interactions, however with much more technology and concentration of resources than ever, which means only a few are able to fulfill these natural needs (survival and reproduction).

There's only an individual solution to this, in my view: realizing and accepting our own basic nature (taking the blackpill) and finding ways to satisfy our natural needs without focusing on a "higher purpose" (which despite being a supposedly higher good than fulfilling our natural needs, in practice is just a means to control and deprive less privileged humans from achieving their own individual desires/needs, much like Stirner realized in The Ego and Its Own).

And this is coming from someone who studied religions all his life and was at points in time very religious (even "radically" so). It was just me coping trying to find a greater meaning for life because I wasn't achieving my own basic natural needs.

the individual Solution is by releasing the Nukes to collectively and thoroughly save everybody from Themselves.

 

[Jud Pottah]

Ironically a visit to the shrink made me more mentally ill.She set up all these expectations and almost convinced me that sky is the limit.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av5iHIs2DSw&pp=ygUSeW9iIGZhbGxpbmcgbGVhdmVz


they treat it as a Date from Geneva

 

[Jud Pottah]

Mentall illness is created by societal norms.

So is our Kind of forced Desolation. Done by the world unconscious.

 

[KrazedKanga]

The MH workers are lazy and incompetent morons. I had a diagnosis of Schzio but I have also had bio- polar and EUPD replace it at one time. I asked for those two to be removed from my records and was told that could not be done and they will always be on my records. It is noted in my records that I object to these. I have had it mentioned to me by condescending MH workers 'I see you were diagnosed with bio - polar and EUPD at one time'. I have tried to explain it was 'A tall, skinny, abrupt and arrogant imbecile Indian who did not have a good command of English' Considering I have zero command of any of the various Indian languages he knew, I was basically fucked. He used to get really nasty because I could not understand him.
I do not care now. Those diagnosis's will be there forever. The rotten bastard who gave me them is long gone. No doubt pissing off others fellow Schzios with both his attitude and inability to understand or make himself understood with his broken English and so giving out dodgy diagnosis's that will remain on peoples records forever.
Further there was a rash of suicides when he was there ...i sincerely believe it was him prescribing dangerously high dosage of neuroleptics which because of disabling side effects many of his patients killed themselves.

 

[NocturnalCel]

“Mental illness” and, “psychology” are jewish poisons to normalize their inbred neurosis’s, and poison the goyim with psychotropic drugs.

 

[zephyr]

I wish i could read

True story; I only learned recently I'm supposed to swivvel my eyes from left to right. I have a strong squint so this didn't come naturally to me.

 

[XDFLAMEBOY]

First let's read this, at the end are my arguments and analysis:

Thomas Szasz - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"Mental illnesses" are simply non-conformity behaviours relating to social norms. These behaviours arise from negative experiences throughout life, i.e. actions resulting in prejudicial outcomes for the agent or subject of other's actions.

The mental "re-living" of these experiences one goes through by remembering in their minds these instances causes in turn these "problems of living" to the receptacle of such life experiences, leading to a loop of non-conformity.

External factors causes these "non-conforming" behaviours, because only in a social setting there can be such a thing as non-conformity. That's why "mental illness" is simply a social construct. If you were living alone in an island, there would be no such thing.

But when living in a social setting, patterns for acceptable and non-acceptable behaviour arises and those who do not fit are treated as to be excluded from the benefits of social living.

For instance, if you are ugly, short, bald, deformed, "shy" ("non-NT"), ethnic, you are not fitting the social pattern of acceptability, therefore you are excluded from the benefits of social living, or your participation in these social settings is lessened and not as beneficial as for those who conform, let's say the job market, dating market, familial relationships, friendships, etc.

This rejection causes these problems in living: you are not able to conform, and knowing the Black Pill, you know most of these factors for acceptance are out of your control, so realizing and re-living these past negative experiences makes a consciousness arise, that you are not able to conform either because the factors are outside of your control or because of missed opportunities (let's say you become too old to enter a carreer, or to have actual functional sex, which should be had by fertile men and women).

That is the whole reason shrinks (psychologists) are scammers. They are the same as poets or philosophers, they simply play a non-scientific game where they make conclusions based upon established social norms (which can and in fact do affect scientific methodology itself). If you remove the scientific veil of this profession, you will understand that shrinks can only "help" you realize things about yourself or about the exterior world.

If you are able to conform again, you are "cured", if you do not succeed (as most incels won't), you will still be considered "mentally ill".

THIS IS WHY ONLY PEOPLE THAT CAN SOMEHOW FIT THE SOCIAL STANDARD OF ACCEPTABILITY CAN BE "CURED" FROM THEIR "MENTAL ILLNESS". A foid, simply by having a wet stinky hole, can always be cured from her "mental illness" in this gynocentric world, because she will always be accepted in some degree. A good-looking man, even if he has past traumas and has abused drugs, can also be "cured" because he can always be able to conform as long as he realize what he has to do in order to conform, and his non-changeable features are already conforming to acceptable standards.

Psychiatrists are also scammers. Jewpills can't "cure" your "mental illness". They can only stimulate or supress your biological and innate immune system in some way, just like any other type of medicine will. They can only control the symptoms of your problems in living, they will deactivate your receptors and turn you into a robot devoid of the ability to face your sadness and trauma from bad experiences rationally, thus dumbing you down to your own suffering.

I myself am thinking of getting a prescription for some of these Jewpills, not because I believe they can "cure" me from my "mental issues", but because I know they can be able to "anesthetize" my mind from re-experiencing these past disappointments with such force and frequency, just like weed did for me (it lost effect over time though and I'm currently unable to get more from a dealer), or alcohol can do for some. It will warp my mind to a parallel world where I can live with myself only and not care about the social structure that denies my conformity in the first place. Why do I want to do this? Because I don't want to and am probably unable to conform.

If I wanted to be "cured", I'd have to go to a psychologist to brainwash me into thinking I can somehow conform by doing "x" or "y", but I know for a fact that's not the case. Everytime I tried to adopt a bluepilled/NPC belief, it gave me some false hope and sense of belonging, a sense that I could try again some other way and finally achieve conformity. But in the long run this will inevitably lead to more sorrow, because by exposing yourself again to these social experiences you will be again rejected and fail to conform if you do not have the features that fit the standard of conformity.

This is why the Redpill can actually be damaging to many many men, like it was to me. You set yourself for bigger disappointments by "working on yourself" and spending time, money and effort trying to reach things you were never able to achieve. The higher the mountain, the bigger the fall. Their copout for this reality? "Don't do it for women/others/status, do it for yourself".

"Mental illness" treatment can "work" for some people (as said, foids and good looking men, for instance) because by "adopting a positive mindset" they can expose themselves again to social settings and get their dopamine hits, validation and positive reinforcement, thus opening ground for them to conform again and live "healthy" and NPC lives.

I've been close to people (male and female) that supposedly suffered from "depression", "schizophrenia", "bipolar disorder" and other "mental illnesses", and I can say that based on my analysis, backed by mountains of proof, that they simply (for some reason or another) were going though bad times and were not achieving what they wanted to achieve, or simply had too high standards in their minds they needed to achieve (either socially enforced standards or standards they set to themselves based on false concepts of reality and what's achievable based on the hand you are delt - genetics, where you're born, in which family you're born, etc). As soon as some external factor gets better and they again have the possibility to conform and live up to social standards, they get "better" from their "illnesses" and can live pleasant and healthy lives as most NPCs do in their own ignorance.

Like every commodity there is, there is a market for it. "Mental illness" is not only a good market for medicine professionals and Jewpill companies, especially because the solutions can cause dependence in individuals consooming these "goods", but it is also a great weapon for the government, elites, etc (i.e. the ruling class, the winners of societal standards), it can be used for control, for them to feel better in comparison to you for not conforming, and most important: to shove all kinds of dangerous ideas that can go against their established order, the order of things that benefits them and exclude you.

You are not mentally ill, I am not mentally ill, we are simply outside of the conformity overton window.

People with mental illness are psychics basically