The forgotten Slavs of Anatolia

[Balikesir]

A fun topic that few people know of or talk about.
I did a DNA test a few months ago and was wondering why I had Slavic ancestry. The Greek component was expected, but Slavic?

I went on a search online. Being from Balikesir, without any migrant ancestry, I found many interesting Slavic groups that used to live here

Balikesir as a region has many Slavic toponyms. Similar to Iznik, the old Nicaea

Here is an article discussing the Anatolian Slavs and how they got here in the first place. Read if you want to know the place of origin of most of them

Asia Minor Slavs - Wikipedia

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Slavs easily assimilated into the Byzantine Greek culture. This is noticeable because modern Greek people have on average 25-30% Slavic ancestry

Here is Ottoman period Greek islanders for show


View: https://imgur.com/aB7OX0u


The ones in Anatolia did fairly easily too and mixed

Let's look at the DNA of Balikesir people to see how Slavic people evolved throughout the ages

Byzantine period Balikesir


View: https://imgur.com/a/o2lgsaq


Ottoman period Balikesir


View: https://imgur.com/a/zm9gfbR


Here are the communities that I could find that remained Slavs and didn't assimilate as fast

Anatolian Bulgarians - Wikipedia

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Gallipoli Serbs - Wikipedia

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Polish community

Polonezköy - Wikipedia

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A mountain named after Bulgarian migrants

Bolkar Mountains - Wikipedia

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Area named after Belgrade

Belgrad Forest - Wikipedia

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Slavic migrant famous for an uprise

Thomas the Slav - Wikipedia

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Pretty cool

 

[Balikesir]

Bulgar mountains is a interesting topic itself. The slavs that were sent there by greeks defended the border against Arabs.

This was the unit they teamed with

Akritai - Wikipedia

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[The_word_made_flesh]

There has for sure been much intermingling between Turkey and Bulgaria and Serbia

 

[Balikesir]

There has for sure been much intermingling between Turkey and Bulgaria and Serbia

Not as much as many think.

There was a large population of Muslims in Bulgaria. They were mixed between Turkish people from Anatolia and Bulgarian converts to Islam.

Bulgarian Turks - Wikipedia

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The unmixed Muslim Bulgarians are Pomaks

Pomaks - Wikipedia

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These populations were largely killed off in the balkan wars. Most Pomaks nowadays live in Turkey, speak Turkish and identify as Turkish. The same is for the Bulgarian Turks. Most of the modern Bulgarian Turks that are making up the population of Bulgaria are gypsies who took on the identity because being a Turk was better than being a gypsy.

Serbia on the other hand is different too and can be confusing.

Muslim Serbs had their own identity. Citaci was the medieval description of them:

Serb Muslims - Wikipedia

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Later the identity died out and during the Balkan wars these muslim Serbs would be branded as ottoman turks and killed by russian and christian serb soldiers.

Some fled to bosnia and assimilated as Bosnians. Some to Turkey.

The cool point of Serbia is that there's still a muslim population in serbia. They are ethnic Serbs. They call themselves the Sandzaklija people (Sançak is an old ottoman word for a province).

Sandžak - Wikipedia

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They go by Bosniak too.

Their flag looks interesting.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Bosniak_National_Flag_in_Sandzak.svg

These people claim to have Turkish Ottoman ancestry. From what I gathered its a ruse. They're just normal Serbs but Muslim.

To get back to your comment. Most people in Serbia and Bulgaria has no Turkish ancestry.

 

[Biowaste Removal]

Question do Anatolian Turks have anything in common with Turkic groups like Tatars Kazaks or Yakuts anymore?

 

[Balikesir]

Question do Anatolian Turks have anything in common with Turkic groups like Tatars Kazaks or Yakuts anymore?

Yes we may look like average middle eastern people but we do have some turkic in us.

Its on average 25%.

Here are some results.

As you can see the average is roughly 25%. Yörüks can have up to 30% and even 35% though. This is more common in Muğla. But as a rule. The normal Turks are predominantly descended from Anatolian Greeks. The Turks from far east are either Armenians or Kurdish.

 

[Balikesir]

Yes we may look like average middle eastern people but we do have some turkic in us.

Its on average 25%.

Here are some results.

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As you can see the average is roughly 25%. Yörüks can have up to 30% and even 35% though. This is more common in Muğla. But as a rule. The normal Turks are predominantly descended from Anatolian Greeks. The Turks from far east are either Armenians or Kurdish.

I forget to say that turkic ancestry is lower or 0 in eastern turkey. Trabzon has 0 for example. (Average)

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

Not as much as many think.

There was a large population of Muslims in Bulgaria. They were mixed between Turkish people from Anatolia and Bulgarian converts to Islam.

Bulgarian Turks - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The unmixed Muslim Bulgarians are Pomaks

Pomaks - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

These populations were largely killed off in the balkan wars. Most Pomaks nowadays live in Turkey, speak Turkish and identify as Turkish. The same is for the Bulgarian Turks. Most of the modern Bulgarian Turks that are making up the population of Bulgaria are gypsies who took on the identity because being a Turk was better than being a gypsy.

Serbia on the other hand is different too and can be confusing.

Muslim Serbs had their own identity. Citaci was the medieval description of them:

Serb Muslims - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Later the identity died out and during the Balkan wars these muslim Serbs would be branded as ottoman turks and killed by russian and christian serb soldiers.

Some fled to bosnia and assimilated as Bosnians. Some to Turkey.

The cool point of Serbia is that there's still a muslim population in serbia. They are ethnic Serbs. They call themselves the Sandzaklija people (Sançak is an old ottoman word for a province).

Sandžak - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

They go by Bosniak too.

Their flag looks interesting.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Bosniak_National_Flag_in_Sandzak.svg

These people claim to have Turkish Ottoman ancestry. From what I gathered its a ruse. They're just normal Serbs but Muslim.

To get back to your comment. Most people in Serbia and Bulgaria has no Turkish ancestry.

I read somewhere Bosniak's are bad Muslims are known for loving sausage.Religion has torn apart the Balkans with most being EOO but Muslim minorities in Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo plus Catholic minorities in Croatia!

 

[Balikesir]

I read somewhere Bosniak's are bad Muslims are known for loving sausage.Religion has torn apart the Balkans with most being EOO but Muslim minorities in Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo plus Catholic minorities in Croatia!

Croatia is a Catholic country. Albania is Muslim majority though that is going to change. Kosovo is Muslim majority. Orthodox countries are the rest. The largest Muslim minority is in Macedonia i think.

 

[sk.feelsdevil]

Albania is Muslim majority though that is going to change

Keep on coping. Christcuckery is dying even in the balakns, so is all religion, soon the Balkancels will return to reason and do away with these silly superstitions.

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

Croatia is a Catholic country. Albania is Muslim majority though that is going to change. Kosovo is Muslim majority. Orthodox countries are the rest. The largest Muslim minority is in Macedonia i think.

Yes you are right ,I did not phrase correctly ,I meant minority in eastern Europe in general not that groups are not a majority in their country.Yes Albania and Kosovo are Muslim and Croatia Catholic yes ,I sort of meant the Serbs hold the power and they are EO

 

[Balikesir]

Keep on coping

Why are you so aggressive? I have no stake in the religiosity of Albania.

 

[Balikesir]

Yes you are right ,I did not phrase correctly ,I meant minority in eastern Europe in general not that groups are not a majority in their country.Yes Albania and Kosovo are Muslim and Croatia Catholic yes ,I sort of meant the Serbs hold the power and they are EO

Understood

 

[sk.feelsdevil]

Why are you so aggressive?

I wasn't aggressive though. Aggressive would be something like: "nigger tiered Christcucks with sub 70 IQ will die out naturally because modern day education is more easily obtainable for everyone"

I have no stake in the religiosity of Albania.

I haven't insinuated that previously, however now I am insinuating that you are a christcuck that still clings onto the hope for a Christian Europe.
Sheesh and cope, christcuck! You are transparent to everyone.

 

[Balikesir]

I wasn't aggressive though. Aggressive would be something like: "nigger tiered Christcucks with sub 70 IQ will die out naturally because modern day education is more easily obtainable for everyone"

I haven't insinuated that previously, however now I am insinuating that you are a christcuck that still clings onto the hope for a Christian Europe.
Sheesh and cope, christcuck! You are transparent to everyone.

sorry I misunderstood.

You may be right. I'm not sure. Albanians are very irreligious. More nationalistic. Kosovo will clearly remain a muslim majority. Albania though has to have a trend for Catholicism or atheism. There's a lot of turk hate in albania. That makes Islam seen as bad too.

Albanian state announced they want to build a Vatican state for bektashi Muslims. Albanians are angry about this. We'll have to see the development.

 

[MassEffectKoala]

I am confused heh

 

[Balikesir]

I am confused heh

This post discusses the slavic minorities in Anatolia.

 

[MassEffectKoala]

This post discusses the slavic minorities in Anatolia.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Have you heard about the Nekrasov Cossacks? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nekrasov_Cossacks

Cossacks in Turkey - Wikipedia

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These are mainly Don Cossacks who participated in the uprising against Peter the Great, after which they fled to serve under the protectorate of the Crimean Khan, later in the Ottoman Empire.

 

[Balikesir]

Have you heard about the Nekrasov Cossacks? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nekrasov_Cossacks

Cossacks in Turkey - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

These are mainly Don Cossacks who participated in the uprising against Peter the Great, after which they fled to serve under the protectorate of the Crimean Khan, later in the Ottoman Empire.

That's cool. No i have never heard of these.

I have heard of the cossacks who fought the ottomans and wrote a famous letter to the Sultan, insulting him.

Reply of the Zaporozhian Cossacks - Wikipedia

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[Racial-Identitarian]

There has for sure been much intermingling between Turkey and Bulgaria and Serbia

Not only you are a jewish simp but you are also a complete dumbass on genetic study

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

Not only you are a jewish simp but you are also a complete dumbass on genetic study

So there has been to interaction in history between the Turks and South Slavic peoples? Looks you are the total dumbass

 

[Racial-Identitarian]

So there has been to interaction in history between the Turks and South Slavic peoples? Looks you are the total dumbass

Lmao you are the dumbass
Got no proof and accusing others of racemixing you scalwag

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

Lmao you are the dumbass
Got no proof and accusing others of racemixing you scalwag

Kosovo used to be part of Serbia and Kosovo is mostly Muslim,so where else but the Turks did the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo get Islam from

 

[Racial-Identitarian]

Kosovo used to be part of Serbia and Kosovo is mostly Muslim,so where else but the Turks did the ethnic Albanians in Kosovo get Islam from

Absolute cope by your retard brain there is no turkish admixture in Balkan
If anything average balkan have anatolian or lycian admixture from pre byzantine empire era

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

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Absolute cope by your retard brain there is no turkish admixture in Balkan
If anything average balkan have anatolian or lycian admixture from pre byzantine empire era

I'm not a DNA expert but I'd find it hard to believe the Ottoman conquests in those regions would not have resulted in some inter mixing.Intermixing always follows conquest

 

[Balikesir]

So there has been to interaction in history between the Turks and South Slavic peoples? Looks you are the total dumbass

Ignore that user. He has no knowledge. He wants to make Turkish people east asians. I don't know why but conversations with him are fruitless.

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

Ignore that user. He has no knowledge. He wants to make Turkish people east asians. I don't know why but conversations with him are fruitless.

By that user do you mean me or the dude harrassing me

 

[Balikesir]

By that user do you mean me or the dude harrassing me

The user who's harassing you. The asian kid.

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

Ignore that user. He has no knowledge. He wants to make Turkish people east asians. I don't know why but conversations with him are fruitless.

By that user do you mean me or the dude harrassing me

The user who's harassing you. The asian kid.

Ah good to know thanks