Blackpill The end of the betabux-max and gender IQ variability

[Orkcel]

Obviously women being liberated into the workforce has diminished the viability of betabuxing since its inception; it removes the once very survival provider status of a man, but I think the rabbit-hole goes deeper than this. There is a hypothesis that though iq variability is greater in men(more geniuses, and more retards) women tend to have a slightly higher average IQ that clusters tighter(more middling iq worker drones). This holds up with my anecdotal life experiences, foidlings have never amazed me with their intelligence; however, I've never found myself dumbfounded either, at least in relation to the men I meet.

I think an IQ somewhere roughly one deviation above the mean helps with success, couple this with being more NT and more social, and the woman is perhaps more equipped to be an effective cog in the capitalist wage machine. Though men have the greater frequency of geniuses I think after a certain point IQ won't continuously increase your income/success, if we look at most scientific geniuses throughout history they're often ostracized for revealing controversial truths, isolated perhaps in part due to neurodivergency, and on their deathbeds a pauper. We see this today looking at something like NASA space engineers(140iq job) who make slightly less than pharmacists(115-120iq), it's because the market doesn't often have a need for overly abstract and theoretical non commoditizable work, even if their work may prove to be beneficial a few centuries down the line. In turn outside of defunct third-world countries where a first-worlder can essentially pull a kind of deus ex machina game(I mean this in a literal sense, not so much a literary one), foid permitted waging will always benefit women.

Unfortunately, as women are the more scarce/valuable sex biologically(Limited number of eggs, must actually carry pregnancy) this makes them all the more picky compared to men, so this is what drives the female's hypergamous and polyamorous(more pussies for Chad) nature that is on full display in the feminist societies of our age. As I see it there are three kinds of societies: gynocentric, equipoise, or phallocentric. The gynocentric society is a civil society such that we see today where women have the liberty to pick any man they want based on purely genetic factors as there are no negative externalities. The trad society dead since the mid 20th century is in fact emblematic of an equipoise society in which men and women's true desires are suppressed(women can't all flock to Chad, men can't fuck many pussies), despite Reddit cucks stating this is the patriachy or something. The truly phallocentric society is one in which force alone drives reproductive success, we see this in something such as the mongol society at it's marauding height or the foundation of Rome and its Sabine concubines, this society is one in which men are free to inseminate as many pussies as possible, perhaps this could manifest in the modern world during a beta uprising. Sadly men will continue to use the beta-bux strategy as they've been psychologically trapped into the paradigm of an entirely other age, increasingly their bux will only be able to buy them a fleeting acknowledgment from a scantly clad foid through a screen as more realize the new paradigm. We're at the end days of Rome, saturnalia is abound and attempts at salvaging the republic for naught. The final solution to this cycle stands as a return to the phallocentric society, the beta uprising.

I kind of ended up ranting so I'm not sure if I got my point across, but I hope you enjoyed nonetheless.

Variability hypothesis - Wikipedia

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[M12Comic]

Tl;dr?

 

[Orkcel]

Tl;dr?

Women by design see more success under civil/female empowered societies in every way conceivable. I wanted to further display the destitute role of the male in such a society, and spit upon the idea that there is some sort of IQcope or betabuxcope for men in our gynocentric society. We have to return to phallocentrism, but sadly this will take time as people wake up to the new paradigm since we've only recently entered the gynocentric societal cycle.

 

[M12Comic]

this will take time as people wake up to the new paradigm since we've only recently entered the gynocentric societal cycle.

 

[Itsover4maymaycels]

IQ tests are bullshit tbh, foids might have a higher IQ on paper, but the fact they have alot less geniuses combined with their NPC way of acting with very limited creativity and abstract thought makes them near useless in STEM and arts, the only fields that will be relevant in the future.

The reason they seem decent at science recently is because cucked media always gives the credit of the whole group to whatever foid happens to be in it, just look at Katie Fraudman, if your team has any foids in it, it's over, they'll steal all the credit from you no matter how much more you contribute, 9/10 times.

 

[Orkcel]

IQ tests are bullshit tbh, foids might have a higher IQ on paper, but the fact they have alot less geniuses combined with their NPC way of acting with very limited creativity and abstract thought makes them near useless in STEM and arts, the only fields that will be relevant in the future.

The reason they seem decent at science recently is because cucked media always gives the credit of the whole group to whatever foid happens to be in it, just look at Katie Fraudman, if your team has any foids in it, it's over, they'll steal all the credit from you no matter how much more ylu contribute, 9/10 times.

Perhaps, I do think for example women are perfectly capable of being code monkeys, but prior to coding becoming "cool" and profitable they couldn't care and would deride the tech world. Absolutely for anything innovative you still need men, but these innovations aren't compensated especially well compared to advanced jobs that require a middling iq. I know of plenty foid doctors/pharmacists and they probably make a few 10s of thousands more than some mathematics researcher. I'm more so trying to point out that women don't need these men in today's society outside of maybe getting the residual effects of their innovations. So perhaps women are better at doing advanced middling work that in general compensates the greatest on return anyway.

 

[Deleted member 19756]

Isn't the real problem the devaluation of reproduction and sex in general? People seem to be more interested in copes. I honestly find utter disgust in the free female. The free female pretends she's the selector and goddess. When she's only protected by a masculine apparatus. Societies always betray their intended purpose the longer they go on. I say to each their own. We can't cure the hypergamous female.

 

[Orkcel]

Isn't the real problem the devaluation of reproduction and sex in general? People seem to be more interested in copes.

I think modern societies ease and plethora of copes is what will keep a beta uprising from happening for some time. I think when you speak of the devaluation of sex you refer to the chastity of the equipoise age. Yes this is the downfall of that age, but I don't think we can ever return to such a system without phallocentrism and force. We see the end of Rome marked by the pillaging at the hands of Germanics, as it started with the rape of the Sabine women, not a return to the senate.

I honestly find utter disgust in the free female. The free female pretends she's the selector and goddess. When she's only protected by a masculine apparatus. Societies always betray their intended purpose the longer they go on. I say to each their own. We can't cure the hypergamous female.

They disgust me too. She is the selector and goddess because today's society is one without force; therefore, they maintain all the value.

 

[Deleted member 19756]

I think modern societies ease and plethora of copes is what will keep a beta uprising from happening for some time. I think when you speak of the devaluation of sex you refer to the chastity of the equipoise age. Yes this is the downfall of that age, but I don't think we can ever return to such a system without phallocentrism and force.



They disgust me too. She is the selector and goddess because today's society is one without force; therefore, they maintain all the value.

Check out this book if you want some rage fuel. The Jews are dancing on the grave of western civilization.

Library Genesis: Hanna Rosin - The End of Men: And the Rise of Women

Library Genesis is a scientific community targeting collection of books on natural science disciplines and engineering.

libgen.is

 

[Orkcel]

Check out this book if you want some rage fuel. The Jews are dancing on the grave of western civilization.

Library Genesis: Hanna Rosin - The End of Men: And the Rise of Women

Library Genesis is a scientific community targeting collection of books on natural science disciplines and engineering.

libgen.is

I think the jewish race is a feminine race by nature, this is on full display with their heroes David and Jacob, compared to that of Achilles or Guan Yu.

Daniel Boyarin-"I didn't think of myself so much as girlish but rather as jewish. I start with what I think is a wide spread sensibility in our culture renders a boy effeminate. Rather than producing in me a desire to 'pass' and become a 'man,' this sensibility resulted in my desire to remain a jew, where being a sissy is alright. In a quite similar account another male American of my generation, Henry Brod, writes: 'I found that the feminist critique of mainstream masculinity personally empowering rather than threatening. As a child and adolescent I did not fit the mainstream male image, not an athlete, but an intellectual. The feminist critique of mainstream masculinity allowed me to convert my envy of all those that fit my model of contempt. It converted males previously my superior on the traditional scale, as my inferiors on the new scale.' I am interested right now in investigating what critical force might still be left in a culture and a cultural memory within which 'real men' were sissies. The vector of my theoretical-political work, accordingly, is not to deny as anti-semetic fantasy, but to reclaim the 19th century notion of the feminized Jewish male, to argue for his reality as one Jewish ideal going back to the Babylonian Talmud"

Otto Wienegger-"Our age is not only the most Jewish, but the most feminine. It would not be difficult to make a case that the Jew is more saturated with femininity than the Aryan. It is most important to lay stress on the agreements and differences, simply because so many points obvious in dissecting women reappear in the jew."

To me they are the original ers

 

[Deleted member 19756]

The true concept of the State is foreign to the Jew, because he, like the woman, is wanting in personality; his failure to grasp the idea of true society is due to his lack of free intelligible ego. Like women, Jews tend to adhere together, but they do not associate as free independent individuals mutually respecting each other's individuality.

As there is no real dignity in women, so what is meant by the word "gentleman" does not exist amongst the Jews. The genuine Jew fails in this innate good breeding by which alone individuals honour their own individuality and respect that of others. There is no Jewish nobility, and this is the more surprising as Jewish pedigrees can be traced back for thousands of years.

The Jew is not really anti-moral. But, none the less, he does not represent the highest ethical type. He is rather non- moral, neither good nor bad.

So also in the case of the woman...

...In the Jew and the woman, good and evil are not distinct from one another.

Jews, then, do not live as free, self-governing individuals, choosing between virtue and vice in the Aryan fashion

Otto Weininger - Wikipedia

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[Deleted member 4159]

I don't care how high iq women are, their intelligence will always be undermined by estrogen clouding their thinking. Their success is artificial, as it is propagated by our society. Even though women may naturally be hypergamous, it can be controlled with the right men in charge of society. I'm tired of guys thinking women are so powerful just because they have a vagina.

 

[Glokta]

I work with some women and they are all pretty incompetent, but they instinctively know how to network and dump their work on other people (almost always men). Females in the workforce aren't average employees. They aren't even below average. They are simply bad. They learn slower, make more mistakes, always blame others for their mishaps (usually men they don't like), dodge responsibility and cause drama for fun. Women have no work ethic at all. I'm not exaggerating saying one man can easily do the work of three foids.

 

[Orkcel]

I don't care how high iq women are, their intelligence will always be undermined by estrogen clouding their thinking. Their success is artificial, as it is propagated by our society. Even though women may naturally be hypergamous, it can be controlled with the right men in charge of society. I'm tired of guys thinking women are so powerful just because they have a vagina.

I'm not stating their iq is super high or something, it's middling, at most they have a higher average of around 5 iq points and they all cluster around the average compared to men. What I'm trying to destroy for guys in this post is any notion that under our gynocentric society that they can somehow wealthbeta-bux max and get a super high iq job for all the high iq copers and then mog females with wealth to acquire gf or something. As I say in the post the kind of genius level intelligence that men are disposed to often make less than somewhat competent foids' based on fields they may go in to, in a society with women in the work place there is no winning, the only solution is a phallic revolution. I never implied women were all powerful because of a vagina, only that they have more worth biologically because of scarcity.

I work with some women and they are all pretty incompetent, but they instinctively know how to network and dump their work on other people (almost always men). Females in the workforce aren't average employees. They aren't even below average. They are simply bad. They learn slower, make more mistakes, always blame others for their mishaps (usually men they don't like), dodge responsibility and cause drama for fun. Women have no work ethic at all. I'm not exaggerating saying one man can easily do the work of three foids.

What field do you work in if you don't mind divulging, just curious? Assuming it's something like tech then it doesn't surprise me the majority of men will still be more competent than foids. As I say in the post sociability matters more than iq after a certain point with regards to raw success/income and also contributes to the perpetuation of women in the workforce as they network. I will say I know quite a few women making 6 figures, but they mostly all work in fields in which the only thing required is route memorization like the medical field in general(physician/pharmacist), I do think there is something unaccounted for with regards to the foids inability to actually create things.

 

[Monk of Failure]

Honestly, all the girls whom I saw at university and scored high grade are not impressive at all. Their knowledge was limited to what they learnt from books and nothing outside from books you can hear from them.

 

[Orkcel]

Honestly, all the girls whom I saw at university and scored high grade are not impressive at all. Their knowledge was limited to what they learnt from books and nothing outside from books you can hear from them.

As I say in the post sociability matters more than iq after a certain point with regards to raw success/income and also contributes to the perpetuation of women in the workforce as they network. I will say I know quite a few women making 6 figures, but they mostly all work in fields in which the only thing required is route memorization like the medical field in general(physician/pharmacist), I do think there is something unaccounted for with regards to the foids inability to actually create things.

I've never met a woman who impressed me with her intelligence as I say in the post, nor do I often meet women so dumb that I question whether they're retarded or not, with men I frequently find more in both of the aforementioned categories. After a certain level of iq though(I'd just guess one deviation above the mean so 115-125) I don't imagine you see success/income continue to climb and variables like sociability become vastly more important. This is kind of a vent post, because as I said I know foids who make more shilling jew pills than male acquaintances who work as nuclear engineers and high level mathematics/physics researchers, but ultimately most of this truly high iq stuff isn't actually very pertinent to society and therefore they essentially get status mogged while doing much higher level stuff, just kind of sad.

 

[Glokta]

What field do you work in if you don't mind divulging, just curious? Assuming it's something like tech then it doesn't surprise me the majority of men will still be more competent than foids. As I say in the post sociability matters more than iq after a certain point with regards to raw success/income and also contributes to the perpetuation of women in the workforce as they network. I will say I know quite a few women making 6 figures, but they mostly all work in fields in which the only thing required is route memorization like the medical field in general(physician/pharmacist), I do think there is something unaccounted for with regards to the foids inability to actually create things.

I work in gamedev, and there isn't that many women here, but what there is, is a lot of thirsty cucks and foids are able to string them along easily. As long as she shows up to work, any woman is guaranteed to climb the corporate ladder and get pay rise and promotions many men can only dream of, even after years of experience, diligent work and commitment.

 

[Adamhastor]

The final solution to this cycle stands as a return to the phallocentric society, the beta uprising.

BS, betas do not rebel, they are conformists by nature, just like foids.
That's the very reason what you call equipose society functioned at all.

Betas are followers so they'd need alphas to lead the uprising, but why would alphas challenge a status quo that benefits them immensely?

 

[Deleted member 4159]

I'm not stating their iq is super high or something, it's middling, at most they have a higher average of around 5 iq points and they all cluster around the average compared to men. What I'm trying to destroy for guys in this post is any notion that under our gynocentric society that they can somehow wealthbeta-bux max and get a super high iq job for all the high iq copers and then mog females with wealth to acquire gf or something. As I say in the post the kind of genius level intelligence that men are disposed to often make less than somewhat competent foids' based on fields they may go in to, in a society with women in the work place there is no winning, the only solution is a phallic revolution. I never implied women were all powerful because of a vagina, only that they have more worth biologically because of scarcity.

Right. There's this notion that women are more competent due to having better jobs, when in reality it's due to quotas and women blindly following the liberal agenda. Not every guy can become rich anyways, and even if they did, they'd just be pushing hypergamy even further. I know you didn't imply women's power because of their vagina. I was making a separate point about guys in general.

 

[SupremeG]

I work in gamedev, and there isn't that many women here, but what there is, is a lot of thirsty cucks and foids are able to string them along easily. As long as she shows up to work, any woman is guaranteed to climb the corporate ladder and get pay rise and promotions many men can only dream of, even after years of experience, diligent work and commitment.

Working for a game designer company sounds very lifefuel, though. I've always wanted to work as a game designer. But unfortunately I lack brain capacity. I have a bad degree and I'm forced rot in call center.

 

[Adamhastor]

After a certain level of iq though(I'd just guess one deviation above the mean so 115-125) I don't imagine you see success/income continue to climb and variables like sociability become vastly more important

Quite frankly, I've observed that IQ and income are highly uncorrelated. In my job, the higher positions are awarded to people who can work a lot (doing an insane amount of average tasks) and those who put their job above anything else (staying 13-15h per day at the office, working on week-ends, etc).

I have rarely seen managers who impressed me with their skills, most foids quickly ascend to management roles btw as they are usually grossly incompetent when it comes to technical stuff.

I have a bad degree and I'm forced rot in call center.

Do people need degrees to work in call centers ???

 

[DeepSea]

There is a hypothesis that though iq variability is greater in men(more geniuses, and more retards) women tend to have a slightly higher average IQ that clusters tighter(more middling iq worker drones). This holds up with my anecdotal life experiences, foidlings have never amazed me with their intelligence; however, I've never found myself dumbfounded either, at least in relation to the men I meet.

The Wikipedia article clearly states that "most researchers have failed to find greater variability in either sex in any area that is consistent across cultures and not confounded by social factors ".

You're probably just mistaking women's superior verbal ability for greater intelligence.

Given the fact that men significantly outperform women on the Ravens Progressive Matrices, which is the most g-loaded IQ test, I'd argue that the average man is more intelligent than the average woman and that there are more female retards than male retards.

A meta-analysis is presented of 57 studies of sex differences in general population samples on the Standard and Advanced Progressive Matrices (SPM and APM, respectively). Results showed that there is no difference among children aged 6–14 years, but that males obtain higher means from the age of 15 through to old age. Among adults, the male advantage is 0.33d equivalent to 5 IQ points. These results disconfirm the frequent assertion than there are no sex differences on the progressive matrices and support a developmental theory that a male advantage appears from the age of 15 years.

Source

 

[Orkcel]

BS, betas do not rebel, they are conformists by nature, just like foids.
That's the very reason what you call equipose society functioned at all.

Betas are followers so they'd need alphas to lead the uprising, but why would alphas challenge a status quo that benefits them immensely?

I think this may be too simple, you're implying that women's eugenic criteria(what makes Chad) for things such as face and height makes them unequivocally "alpha" with regards to all qualities; do you not think ugly leaders have existed in history? Additionally, to the advantage of the betas, desperate men will use desperate measures. I think what you say holds some truth, but as times become increasingly decadent I think more and more men become disadvantaged, and even if the literal beta-uprising doesn't happen some level of revolt is inevitable that would indirectly be to the benefit of incels.

Working for a game designer company sounds very lifefuel, though. I've always wanted to work as a game designer. But unfortunately I lack brain capacity. I have a bad degree and I'm forced rot in call center.

Yeah I thought I could make some games on my own, then I realized I'm vastly too lazy to program a game alone and too autistic to work with people, I understand the conceptual stuff, but I can't bring myself to actually being a code monkey and putting things together. It's a field that requires too much actual work for me.

Quite frankly, I've observed that IQ and income are highly uncorrelated. In my job, the higher positions are awarded to people who can work a lot (doing an insane amount of average tasks) and those who put their job above anything else (staying 13-15h per day at the office, working on week-ends, etc).

I have rarely seen managers who impressed me with their skills, most foids quickly ascend to management roles btw as they are usually grossly incompetent when it comes to technical stuff.

This is what I see too to some extent. Obviously in most well paying lines of work you can't be retarded, and I think a higher than average iq is beneficial, but after a certain baseline I'd imagine it either becomes detrimental, or at least irrelevant compared to social skills and a high conscientiousness personality. Most high paying jobs I think require an iq of at most 120. These trends play out in what I see among acquaintances/peers, I see physicians(foid), pharmacists(foids), advertisers(foid/man), and lawyers(man) all making more than my acquaintances that do actually high iq work such as math/physics research and nuclear engineering.

The Wikipedia article clearly states that "most researchers have failed to find greater variability in either sex in any area that is consistent across cultures and not confounded by social factors ".

You're probably just mistaking women's superior verbal ability for greater intelligence.

Given the fact that men significantly outperform women on the Ravens Progressive Matrices, which is the most g-loaded IQ test, I'd argue that the average man is more intelligent than the average woman and that there are more female retards than male retards.

I haven't myself examined every set of studies to determine whether or not this hypothesis has any validity, I'm essentially playing with it to explain a phenomenon I see. It may be too simplistic, and perhaps more than anything I'm attacking the idea that having a genius level iq as some kind of cope will serve you well in this society. I see a lot of completely average foids making more money in many fields than the actually really high iq men I know. As I said to the guy above

This is what I see too to some extent. Obviously in most well paying lines of work you can't be retarded, and I think a higher than average iq is beneficial, but after a certain baseline I'd imagine it either becomes detrimental, or at least irrelevant compared to social skills and a high conscientiousness personality. Most high paying jobs I think require an iq of at most 120. These trends play out in what I see among acquaintances/peers, I see physicians(foid), pharmacists(foids), advertisers(foid/man), and lawyers(man) all making more than my acquaintances that do actually high iq work such as math/physics research and nuclear engineering.

 

[Adamhastor]

I think what you say holds some truth, but as times become increasingly decadent I think more and more men become disadvantaged, and even if the literal beta-uprising doesn't happen some level of revolt is inevitable that would indirectly be to the benefit of incels.

I used to think that too when I was a teenager. But I've seen people put up with endless abuse as long as someone had it worse and they could feel that they were better.

Also, I believe the impact of virtual copes on human psyche is vastly unknown / underestimated. People will rise when they lack the proverbial "bread and games" yet we have endless games and almost unlimited food supplies for centuries to come.

 

[Orkcel]

Also, I believe the impact of virtual copes on human psyche is vastly unknown / underestimated. People will rise when they lack the proverbial "bread and games" yet we have endless games and almost unlimited food supplies for centuries to come.

It is true I think not only the comfort, but the sheer amount of entertainment in the digital age people have at their disposal to placate themselves nowadays is highly detrimental to any kind of large scale social upheaval, but I hold out hope even if it comes decades down the line.

 

[Deleted member 14218]

Obviously women being liberated into the workforce has diminished the viability of betabuxing since its inception; it removes the once very survival provider status of a man, but I think the rabbit-hole goes deeper than this. There is a hypothesis that though iq variability is greater in men(more geniuses, and more retards) women tend to have a slightly higher average IQ that clusters tighter(more middling iq worker drones). This holds up with my anecdotal life experiences, foidlings have never amazed me with their intelligence; however, I've never found myself dumbfounded either, at least in relation to the men I meet.

I think an IQ somewhere roughly one deviation above the mean helps with success, couple this with being more NT and more social, and the woman is perhaps more equipped to be an effective cog in the capitalist wage machine. Though men have the greater frequency of geniuses I think after a certain point IQ won't continuously increase your income/success, if we look at most scientific geniuses throughout history they're often ostracized for revealing controversial truths, isolated perhaps in part due to neurodivergency, and on their deathbeds a pauper. We see this today looking at something like NASA space engineers(140iq job) who make slightly less than pharmacists(115-120iq), it's because the market doesn't often have a need for overly abstract and theoretical non commoditizable work, even if their work may prove to be beneficial a few centuries down the line. In turn outside of defunct third-world countries where a first-worlder can essentially pull a kind of deus ex machina game(I mean this in a literal sense, not so much a literary one), foid permitted waging will always benefit women.

Unfortunately, as women are the more scarce/valuable sex biologically(Limited number of eggs, must actually carry pregnancy) this makes them all the more picky compared to men, so this is what drives the female's hypergamous and polyamorous(more pussies for Chad) nature that is on full display in the feminist societies of our age. As I see it there are three kinds of societies: gynocentric, equipoise, or phallocentric. The gynocentric society is a civil society such that we see today where women have the liberty to pick any man they want based on purely genetic factors as there are no negative externalities. The trad society dead since the mid 20th century is in fact emblematic of an equipoise society in which men and women's true desires are suppressed(women can't all flock to Chad, men can't fuck many pussies), despite Reddit cucks stating this is the patriachy or something. The truly phallocentric society is one in which force alone drives reproductive success, we see this in something such as the mongol society at it's marauding height or the foundation of Rome and its Sabine concubines, this society is one in which men are free to inseminate as many pussies as possible, perhaps this could manifest in the modern world during a beta uprising. Sadly men will continue to use the beta-bux strategy as they've been psychologically trapped into the paradigm of an entirely other age, increasingly their bux will only be able to buy them a fleeting acknowledgment from a scantly clad foid through a screen as more realize the new paradigm. We're at the end days of Rome, saturnalia is abound and attempts at salvaging the republic for naught. The final solution to this cycle stands as a return to the phallocentric society, the beta uprising.

I kind of ended up ranting so I'm not sure if I got my point across, but I hope you enjoyed nonetheless.

Variability hypothesis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

from all the blackpill studies collected here it seems reasonable to say that nature doesn't give a fuck about iq it only cares about survival of the best genetics

 

[Adamhastor]

nature doesn't give a fuck about iq it only cares about survival of the best genetics

What is your definition of "best genetics"?

Technically if you have genes that give you cancer at 40 (such as some foids like Angelina Jolie who go for preventive mastectomies) but manage to reproduce before that, you have "good genes". Get The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins, it's quite an entertaining read.

 

[Orkcel]

from all the blackpill studies collected here it seems reasonable to say that nature doesn't give a fuck about iq it only cares about survival of the best genetics

Well man is pretty much removed from nature in its true sense; civilization serves as his microcosmic natural selector, and as far as societies go I don't think extremely high iq despite being a eugenic trait is ever an entirely good thing; paradoxically, a trait like good looks probably increases in value exponentially as you go further down the better looking side of the bell-curve. I think particularly in our gynocentric society, especially as far as mating is concerned this trait means next to nothing and perhaps is dysgenic by the foids criteria.

 

[Deleted member 21714]

from all the blackpill studies collected here it seems reasonable to say that nature doesn't give a fuck about iq it only cares about survival of the best genetics

If that were the case, why did the advanced pattern-seeking brain we have evolve in the first place?

 

[Deleted member 14218]

If that were the case, why did the advanced pattern-seeking brain we have evolve in the first place?

It evolved because it was forced to survive and thrive

What is your definition of "best genetics"?

Technically if you have genes that give you cancer at 40 (such as some foids like Angelina Jolie who go for preventive mastectomies) but manage to reproduce before that, you have "good genes". Get The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins, it's quite an entertaining read.

don't beat around the bush dawg you know what is my definition read the thing i said again carefully

 

[Deleted member 21714]

It evolved because it was forced to survive and thrive

You're contradicting yourself. Intelligence gives you an evolutionary advantage.

 

[Deleted member 14218]

You're contradicting yourself. Intelligence gives you an evolutionary advantage.

How am i contradicting my self explain it to me please? You seem imply that humans were born with an advanced pattern seeking brain and iq medium to high iq was present before it evolved

 

[Orkcel]

You're contradicting yourself. Intelligence gives you an evolutionary advantage.

I will say, intelligence can be selected for, and then new selective pressures later prove it to be detrimental. You see this with something like sickle-cell anemia which though useful for avoiding malaria in Africa is entirely useless to a nigga in America and in fact detrimental. Also yes relative to other species intelligence for humans is obviously very important, but high human-relative intelligence's reproductive success may be diminished in today's world.

 

[Deleted member 14218]

You're contradicting yourself. Intelligence gives you an evolutionary advantage.

The very first thing of every living being is survival be it a cell or a human its a universal principle and there were some factors present which include and are not limited to " PHYSICAL MASS HEIGHT AND STRONG BONES" which give the most basic of survival the iq is the latter

 

[Deleted member 21714]

How am i contradicting my self explain it to me please? You seem imply that humans were born with an advanced pattern seeking brain and iq medium to high iq was present before it evolved

I'm not implying that prehistoric humans were born with intelligence and that it was present before it evolved. Where the fuck did you get that from? I stated that intelligence gives you an advantage (it does) which is why it evolved in the first place. You are contradicting yourself because you say that nature doesn't give a fuck about IQ, and later in that same sentence you say that survival of the best genetics is nature's focus. I hate to break it to you but intelligence is rather hereditary and the genes for high IQ survived because they are advantageous.

 

[Deleted member 14218]

I'm not implying that prehistoric humans were born with intelligence and that it was present before it evolved. Where the fuck did you get that from? I stated that intelligence gives you an advantage (it does) which is why it evolved in the first place. You are contradicting yourself because you say that nature doesn't give a fuck about IQ, and later in that same sentence you say that survival of the best genetics is nature's focus. I hate to break it to you but intelligence is rather hereditary and the genes for high IQ survived because they are advantageous.

Alright answer me this you retard if nature cared about intelligence so much, then why aren't we all geniuses ?

I'm not implying that prehistoric humans were born with intelligence and that it was present before it evolved. Where the fuck did you get that from? I stated that intelligence gives you an advantage (it does) which is why it evolved in the first place. You are contradicting yourself because you say that nature doesn't give a fuck about IQ, and later in that same sentence you say that survival of the best genetics is nature's focus. I hate to break it to you but intelligence is rather hereditary and the genes for high IQ survived because they are advantageous.

my whole fucking argument was that in the studies physical traits have higher precedence than intellectual once i didn't state that intelligence will be removed from the fucking gene pool. The moment you made the first reply was the moment you misunderstood the whole fucking point

 

[Deleted member 21714]

Alright answer me this you retard if nature cared about intelligence so much, then why aren't we all geniuses ?

That's like asking: "If nature cared so much about bones and height as you say, why aren't we all 6 foot 4 ultrachads with 115° jaws?" Unbelievably retarded question, we are an extremely intelligent species already, our IQ is miles ahead of any other animal in existence. Having an average IQ of 100 makes one more intelligent than any animal of any species we know.

 

[Deleted member 14218]

That's like asking: "If nature cared so much about bones and height as you say, why aren't we all 6 foot 4 ultrachads with 115° jaws?" Unbelievably retarded question, we are an extremely intelligent species already, our IQ is miles ahead of any other animal in existence. Having an average IQ of 100 makes one more intelligent than any animal of any species we know.

You are so fucking braindead i can't even begin to explain i don't have time for this shit

That's like asking: "If nature cared so much about bones and height as you say, why aren't we all 6 foot 4 ultrachads with 115° jaws?" Unbelievably retarded question, we are an extremely intelligent species already, our IQ is miles ahead of any other animal in existence. Having an average IQ of 100 makes one more intelligent than any animal of any species we know.

There is a reason why you refused to adress this "
my whole fucking argument was that in the studies physical traits have higher precedence than intellectual once i didn't state that intelligence will be removed from the fucking gene pool. The moment you made the first reply was the moment you misunderstood the whole fucking point"

 

[Deleted member 21714]

You are so fucking braindead i can't even begin to explain i don't have time for this shit

Are you implying that I'm too dumb to understand you? Hmm... Seems like you think intelligence has some advantages after all doesn't it?

 

[Deleted member 14218]

Are you implying that I'm too dumb to understand you? Hmm... Seems like you think intelligence has some advantages after all doesn't it?

i wasn't arguing that it doesn't lol for the 123123123123 time my deduction was that from the blakpill studies i have looked at it doesn't seem to be selected much in the pecking order

 

[LastGerman]

Obviously women being liberated into the workforce has diminished the viability of betabuxing since its inception; it removes the once very survival provider status of a man, but I think the rabbit-hole goes deeper than this.

Indeed. It also causes a redistribution of money in favour of females. Men work hard in low-level jobs while females have it way more cozy and earn better on top of that.

Isn't the real problem the devaluation of reproduction and sex in general? People seem to be more interested in copes. I honestly find utter disgust in the free female. The free female pretends she's the selector and goddess. When she's only protected by a masculine apparatus.

And yet she claims she is independent and strong by herself.

 

[Deleted member 21714]

The moment you made the first reply was the moment you misunderstood the whole fucking point"

I seem to have misunderstood your point now that I'm rereading this thread, because you are representing it in a very bad way by saying that nature "doesn't give a fuck" about intelligence and that it was only "forced to survive and thrive". Your point doesn't become clear until later in the thread.

my deduction was that from the blakpill studies i have looked at it doesn't seem to be selected much in the pecking order

If you said this in your first reply to me this argument would not have happened. Also I somehow didn't read this :
"my whole fucking argument was that in the studies physical traits have higher precedence than intellectual once i didn't state that intelligence will be removed from the fucking gene pool. The moment you made the first reply was the moment you misunderstood the whole fucking point "

 

[Deleted member 18214]

I don't care how high iq women are, their intelligence will always be undermined by estrogen clouding their thinking.

Very high iq

 

[guaucel]

Jewish race = Feminine and sneaky manipulators who deserve death.

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