Discussion The Case for Mentalcels

[End Hypergamy]

Quite commonly, the term "incel" is used to describe someone who is celibate against their own will. In our case, that would be males who have been rejected by the opposite sex based on (99.9% of the time) their looks.

I think there is a distinction to be made for the ones who aren't objectively "ugly", but tend to say or do socially awkward or neurotic things that would repel foids. If you are at least average in looks, you might get a few genuine smiles or even get approached by a foid first. That is not to say you are a "Chad". It just means you had the kind of look that attracted at least one foid, regardless of her own looks. That doesn't mean a relationship is guaranteed. It just means you got to have a social connection with a foid, even if she'll just walk away and likely forget about you the next minute.

Now, the mentalcels... I think they are legitimate, and a part of inceldom. The ones who have crippling social anxiety or are chronically depressed are so miserable that they would even turn down a foid's advances towards them. You could say, well, that's a volcel -- and you may be right -- but I think the real "incel" in the mentalcel is their mind working AGAINST them. Yes, they might have the upper advantage in looks alone, but when it comes to actually communicating, they tend to fail more than even the ugliest-looking incels (who might be conversational at the very least). You could even say that it's still better than being piss ugly and STILL having to deal with the mental illnesses (of which that would still count as part of mentalceldom, if only partially due to the looks not counting here).

In short, not every incel is necessarily ugly. They could very well still be socially rejected due to their unconventional ways of interacting with other people, particularly if they are autistic, schizophrenic, bipolar, chronically depressed, and so on. Mentalcels are definitely a misunderstood and wholly marginalized group by both uglycels and foids.

Perhaps this thread will get quite heated, but just speaking out in support of the mentalcels who are genuinely "ugly on the inside" to the foids. It is not all black and white.

 

[nihilum]

We are a bunch of autists.

 

[Just say NIGGER!]

Only a retard would deny the importance of NT. They will say "but muh chad can be autistic", yes chad can be anything he wants, but most men are not chad. A NT 6+ can get laid, a non-NT 7 can't/ In this hypercompetitive market, you can't afford any disabilities.

 

[End Hypergamy]

Here's a very strong reason for my argument:

Let's say you are easily (in looks) about 8/10. You're considerably tall, have a bit of a physique, and something about your face really attracts foids from the get-go. The initial contact goes strong. She asks you about your hobbies and other interests. You drop the ball and mention "vaginally drying" topics like 1980s/1990s anime, video gaming, and installing Linux on every computer you get a hold of. No, that's perfectly fine to have hobbies like that -- the foid you're speaking with is just going to get bored and move on to another guy who has the looks AND isn't autismo supremo.

That's the point I'm making. You could have the looks, but that's not the only thing needed to get through these foids' ridiculous standards. They see mentalcels as "these dudes gotta get laid" while turning over to the Jeremy Meeks doppelgangers. Criminals like rapists and murderers are "simpler" for them to understand and "sympathize" with, rather than the average spergatron who happened to be blessed with some decent looks.

Also, yes, I completely agree that being neurotypical is among the top three things that make foids wet, besides just having good looks and "game". You could even have all three of those things and still get passed over, but it's not as common as being rejected for being a "weirdo" (even if you're not ugly). In fact, a 5/10 neurotypical normie would already get tail by the time the 7/10 autismo retardo learns to be careful with opening up like a book to just any broad.

 

[nihilum]

Only a retard would deny the importance of NT. They will say "but muh chad can be autistic", yes chad can be anything he wants, but most men are not chad. A NT 6+ can get laid, a non-NT 7 can't/ In this hypercompetitive market, you can't afford any disabilities.

It’s over if you are neurodivergent.

 

[Takuji Mamiya]

If I was NT, maybe I could betabuxx. (Still probably not able to) Impossible for me. The NDpill is real.

 

[Sex-Starved Beast]

1. If they turn the foid down themselves, they are volcels. But if the autism makes them unable to do the right moves even with a foid who approached them first, they are incels.

2. Mentalcels are still ugly. Above a certain looks theshold it doesn't matter because the foid will do all the work for you. So, none of the mentalcels are way above average in looks anyway.

3. The blackpill version of this site has an obsession with looks and tends to deny NTpill. I learned to accept it, but I suspect that the majority of self proclaimed incels are ND, not 2/10 ugly. Elliot Rodger is the prime example.

 

[Takuji Mamiya]

Also, yes, I completely agree that being neurotypical is among the top three things that make foids wet, besides just having good looks and "game". You could even have all three of those things and still get passed over, but it's not as common as being rejected for being a "weirdo" (even if you're not ugly). In fact, a 5/10 neurotypical normie would already get tail by the time the 7/10 autismo retardo learns to be careful with opening up like a book to just any broad.

This is why the Redpill fails for autists. We literally can’t get game. It is inherent, there is no fix. So when you’re ugly, autistic and fucked in terms of confidence and personality then it’s completely over. Doesn’t help that most of the stereotypical autistic hyper fixations are dominated by men. LDAR is the only way.

 

[Takuji Mamiya]

If they turn the foid down themselves, they are volcels.

Elliot Rodger is the prime example.

This is always my main example. Even though he was decent looking, he was diagnosed autistic, grew up isolated and eventually did the natural cause and effect of bullying and isolation. If he was NT then he would’ve pulled.

 

[End Hypergamy]

1. If they turn the foid down themselves, they are volcels. But if the autism makes them unable to do the right moves even with a foid who approached them first, they are incels.

Yeah, that's kind of what I was trying to explain in my post: that the autism is the real "incel", with the looks just being a front.

There are some very, very uncommon circumstances where the sinfully ugly men actually get with someone, even a Stacy. If not the money or the status, then likely some sort of mental gymnastics that kept her anchored towards him. I say this because I know a fairly attractive foid who is still with her very beta-looking baby daddy of over fifteen years (they have a kid). Word is that he came into her life when she was morbidly obese and had all sorts of other problems, so I think him being the only guy for her at the time flicked a switch in her head. Ideally, she'd have rejected a man like him today if that never happened (provided she still slimmed down and improved her looks).

 

[sadcelo]

non-NT 7 can't/ In this hypercompetitive market, you can't afford any disabilities.

Cope, Neurodivergence becomes a problem for long term relationships. For one night stands it doesn't matter as it's just raw attraction.

 

[realUboadiah]

i am a hefty mentalcel myself, even if i became htn lookswise i still believe i would be an incel, i repulse women and it's very difficult for me to be around them, let alone interact with them.

 

[Caichan]

“Mentalcels”

 

[Squatting Slavcel]

Let's say you are easily (in looks) about 8/10. You're considerably tall, have a bit of a physique, and something about your face really attracts foids from the get-go. The initial contact goes strong.

You must be autist supreme to fail as an 8. The thing is, mentalcels have a great chance if they just fix their shit. Anxious? Meds. Depressed? Meds. Schizo? Meds. Main hobby is trains? Just find something else if you know it's unattractive. Google attractive hobbies. Bad at conversation? Read some books or get coaching.

It's only a matter of time before the local 6'4 tallfags find someone. There was a height poll here, like 35% were over 6ft, fakecels.

 

[Just say NIGGER!]

Cope, Neurodivergence becomes a problem for long term relationships. For one night stands it doesn't matter as it's just raw attraction.

This statement is pure cope. The "raw attraction" for sub8 men is simply not strong enough. Foids won't deal with a man who isn't a literal chad, but is an emotional/mental wreck. Why would she, when there are plenty of NT 6s and 7s.