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The biggest male fantasy

I am not talking about "liberal" education in the sense of politics or social theory, but about serious study in fields like math, science, and engineering.
No matter how intellectually rigorous the field, women would still be somewhat incentivized to prioritize personal ambition over stable family life, which weakens the foundation of society, and allowing women in such fields would lead to diminishing returns in comparison to men anyway.
 
Women being intelligent, likeable, interesting and kind.
I don't think that necessarely mean they would have the mind of a man. A better example would be if someone would exhibit a domineering personality.
 
I am not talking about "liberal" education in the sense of politics or social theory, but about serious study in fields like math, science, and engineering.
Even in STEM, most are mediocre button-pushers.
High IQ physicists, skilled surgeons etc. would make up a very tiny percentage of the whole foid population. And even then, they are not as driven as men are after completing their study. That's why NHS is suffering so much from doctor shortage since it's foid majority and they all work part-time.
 
So you are basically a cuckservative that only supports first wave feminism

No, I am not. My first post on this forum was actually a long critique of feminism, and I have never supported it. What I am saying here is not an endorsement of feminism at all, it is simply pointing out that competence and intelligence matter more to me than sex when it comes to who is fit for certain roles.
 
That is the very problem with many women nowadays: not that they are "meant" to be anything, but that too many are shallow, unserious, and uninterested in developing themselves. It would be better for everyone if women, and people in general, were more intelligent, more thoughtful, and more educated, because the quality of society depends on the quality of the people who make it up.
Yea, well unfortunately these "people" have the qualities of subhumans. I mean just look around you, everyone behaves like cattle.
 
No, I am not. My first post on this forum was actually a long critique of feminism, and I have never supported it. What I am saying here is not an endorsement of feminism at all, it is simply pointing out that competence and intelligence matter more to me than sex when it comes to who is fit for certain roles.
Yes but that regardless would be advocating for the changes that happened after feminism. Look I’m not saying ban women from working entirely I know it’s unrealistic but we have to acknowledge men and women are better at certain things on average. There will always be more men in the work force. Now I have a question would you want a woman to be the president?
 
No matter how intellectually rigorous the field, women would still be somewhat incentivized to prioritize personal ambition over stable family life, which weakens the foundation of society, and allowing women in such fields would lead to diminishing returns in comparison to men anyway.

That may be partly true, but men in demanding fields also struggle with balancing work and family (e.g., my father), and you do not seem to think they should be kept out for it. If a woman is capable of contributing in math, science, or engineering, then society gains from that, and the point should be whether she can do the work.
 
Now I have a question would you want a woman to be the president?

If she were genuinely fit for it and her plans for the country matched what I thought was needed, then maybe. But in practice, I think a female president would govern in ways I do not agree with, so my answer is closer to no.
 
No, I am not. My first post on this forum was actually a long critique of feminism, and I have never supported it. What I am saying here is not an endorsement of feminism at all, it is simply pointing out that competence and intelligence matter more to me than sex when it comes to who is fit for certain roles.
By your logic, rampant immigration is also justified. There are giga High IQ pajeets and chinks who immigrate to the west along with a lot of midwits. They might be instrumental in resolving your certain immediate need, but in the grander scheme of things they worsen the living conditions of the natives.
 
By your logic, rampant immigration is also justified. There are giga High IQ pajeets and chinks who immigrate to the west along with a lot of midwits. They might be instrumental in resolving your certain immediate need, but in the grander scheme of things they worsen the living conditions of the natives.
Exactly this is what I’m saying
 
If she were genuinely fit for it and her plans for the country matched what I thought was needed, then maybe. But in practice, I think a female president would govern in ways I do not agree with, so my answer is closer to no.
Nigga just say no.
 
That may be partly true, but men in demanding fields also struggle with balancing work and family (e.g., my father), and you do not seem to think they should be kept out for it. If a woman is capable of contributing in math, science, or engineering, then society gains from that, and the point should be whether she can do the work.
Personal ambition doesn't really mean "working" for foids. For example, foids are known for getting boob jobs to steal promotions from deserving men. Personal ambition for foids is chasing personal status which doesn't benefit society at all.
 
comments accusing you of being a tranny are dumb. I dont want a dumb typical foid I want a foid thats into the same things I am while still looking feminine and hot
Exactly
 
By your logic, rampant immigration is also justified. There are giga High IQ pajeets and chinks who immigrate to the west along with a lot of midwits. They might be instrumental in resolving your certain immediate need, but in the grander scheme of things they worsen the living conditions of the natives.

When I earlier said, "It would be better for everyone if women, and people in general, were more intelligent, more thoughtful, and more educated, because the quality of society depends on the quality of the people who make it up," I was not claiming things are fine as they are, since I also made clear that "too many [women] are shallow, unserious, and uninterested in developing themselves." My point was about the principle that society improves when its members improve, not about excusing the present reality.
 
Personal ambition doesn't really mean "working" for foids. For example, foids are known for getting boob jobs to steal promotions from deserving men. Personal ambition for foids is chasing personal status which doesn't benefit society at all.

Maybe so, but that is not what I am talking about. I am speaking more in the principled sense of women who are genuinely capable in technical or scientific work, not those chasing status in shallow ways. My stance is that if such women exist, then society benefits from their contributions just as it does from capable men, because what matters in that case is the quality of the work being done.
 
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Women being intelligent, likeable, interesting and kind.
No foid could ever be intelligent. Maybe these other things could be true if we could train them. Foids are supposed to be motherly and nurturing
 
That may be partly true, but men in demanding fields also struggle with balancing work and family (e.g., my father), and you do not seem to think they should be kept out for it. If a woman is capable of contributing in math, science, or engineering, then society gains from that, and the point should be whether she can do the work.
That's a fair point, but the issue is not individual capability; rather, it pertains to the broader societal incentive structure. Men are socially conditioned and expected to prioritize career over family, whereas women, historically and biologically, are more likely to be pulled toward family responsibilities. This is not necessarily a trend that emerges merely from societal roots too, as phenomena such as the gender-equality paradox demonstrate that there are clear differences in what the sexes are inclined towards (men being significantly more inclined towards stem, and also performing better at it).

As far as I am concerned, if society adopts a general rule allowing women to pursue demanding fields equally with men, it will systematically weaken family stability and the intergenerational foundation that underpins social order, because the general rule demonstrates that women are, in fact, better suited in nurturing roles, and men are superior in intellectual tasks that involve fields such as philosophy, mathematics, and whatnot; we can presume that any attempt to integrate women into such fields would simply perturb the general structure (putting aside the slippery slope problem that it brings anyway), and the returns are diminishing, hence it is simply optimal to keep them out as a rule—perhaps, with a few exceptions similar to how some societies in the past functioned. In the context of those societies—you will also see that they followed this general rule, as they recognized the very same realities that I stated. Societies which restricted women’s roles typically maintained stable family structures and intergenerational continuity. Classical Athens, Confucian China, and medieval Europe are all pretty good examples.

From a rule-consequentialist standpoint, it’s not about whether a particular woman can perform; it’s about the consequences of adopting a rule that universally allows women in these roles. Even if some women excel, the overall societal cost outweighs the benefits. Thus, the rule of restricting women from intellectual careers preserves societal welfare more reliably than judging each case individually.

It also has to do with the problem that such careers typically presuppose a granting of extensive freedom, and a lack of need to rely on a man, which are factors correlated with hypergamous tendencies, and core precepts of feminism. There is a difference between how such freedom affects a woman, versus how it affects a man. I do admit that the problem of balancing work/life has negative influence on men as well, but that's something which should be dealt with separately, and even if it is an issue that cannot be dealt with, it is sensible to prioritize a certain family structure, instead of focusing on individual cases which could lead to more chaotic organization, especially when women are the childbearing sex.
 
I'll have to disagree on this one though. I'm not against foids' education but when foids' education leads to instability and a worse life for the other half of the population, then their education is not worth it. It's a liability.
 
That's a fair point, but the issue is not individual capability; rather, it pertains to the broader societal incentive structure. Men are socially conditioned and expected to prioritize career over family, whereas women, historically and biologically, are more likely to be pulled toward family responsibilities. This is not necessarily a trend that emerges merely from societal roots too, as phenomena such as the gender-equality paradox demonstrate that there are clear differences in what the sexes are inclined towards (men being significantly more inclined towards stem, and also performing better at it).

As far as I am concerned, if society adopts a general rule allowing women to pursue demanding fields equally with men, it will systematically weaken family stability and the intergenerational foundation that underpins social order, because the general rule demonstrates that women are, in fact, better suited in nurturing roles, and men are superior in intellectual tasks that involve fields such as philosophy, mathematics, and whatnot; we can presume that any attempt to integrate women into such fields would simply perturb the general structure (putting aside the slippery slope problem that it brings anyway), and the returns are diminishing, hence it is simply optimal to keep them out as a rule—perhaps, with a few exceptions similar to how some societies in the past functioned. In the context of those societies—you will also see that they followed this general rule, as they recognized the very same realities that I stated. Societies which restricted women’s roles typically maintained stable family structures and intergenerational continuity. Classical Athens, Confucian China, and medieval Europe are all pretty good examples.

From a rule-consequentialist standpoint, it’s not about whether a particular woman can perform; it’s about the consequences of adopting a rule that universally allows women in these roles. Even if some women excel, the overall societal cost outweighs the benefits. Thus, the rule of restricting women from intellectual careers preserves societal welfare more reliably than judging each case individually.

It also has to do with the problem that such careers typically presuppose a granting of extensive freedom, and a lack of need to rely on a man, which are factors correlated with hypergamous tendencies, and core precepts of feminism. There is a difference between how such freedom affects a woman, versus how it affects a man. I do admit that the problem of balancing work/life has negative influence on men as well, but that's something which should be dealt with separately, and even if it is an issue that cannot be dealt with, it is sensible to prioritize a certain family structure, instead of focusing on individual cases which could lead to more chaotic organization, especially when women are the childbearing sex.

I understand your reasoning, but I think you are overstating the risk of letting capable women into demanding fields. Yes, men and women on average have different inclinations, and yes, family stability matters, but that does not mean the rule should be to keep women out entirely. And it is worth noting, the societies you mention restricted women, but they also denied most men the chance to pursue philosophy, mathematics, or science, since education and scholarship were limited to a small elite. The fact remains that ability exists on an individual level, and when women who are able are excluded, society loses useful contributions.
 
I understand your reasoning, but I think you are overstating the risk of letting capable women into demanding fields. Yes, men and women on average have different inclinations, and yes, family stability matters, but that does not mean the rule should be to keep women out entirely. And it is worth noting, the societies you mention restricted women, but they also denied most men the chance to pursue philosophy, mathematics, or science, since education and scholarship were limited to a small elite. The fact remains that ability exists on an individual level, and when women who are able are excluded, society loses useful contributions.
My qualm with this still lies with the broader consequences of universal rules, and the fact that certain societal trade-offs need to be made. Encouraging, or at very least permitting, women to prioritize careers over family undermines the nurturing roles they’re biologically more suited for, as a rule based on statistical observation and consequences. It is an observatble pattern that increased female workforce participation in demanding fields correlates with lower birth rates and higher divorce rates.

I don't agree with the idea that society benefits more from individual excellence than from cohesive family units. As far as anthropology and history goes, societies that focused on prioritizing family and role clarity sustained themselves for centuries, while modern egalitarian experiments are already on a demographic decline; of course, it's not solely the result of education, but it is strongly related, and education is most certainly a massive factor. As a rule, the risk of excluding capable women (which are far more rare than men) is outweighed by the cost of destabilizing the family unit, especially since men, on average, show higher aptitude in fields like mathematics (simply look at male overrepresentation in top percentiles of math performance on standardized tests, which is why I repeatedly mentioned the concept of diminishing returns, especially when it comes along with various risks). A rule restricting women’s access, with rare exceptions, maximizes societal welfare by aligning with natural inclinations and preserving stability. I simply can't see a pragmatic way where you can have the best of both worlds.

Also, I'm aware some men were restricted as well in those societies (as this was a trend until the 19th century even), but that was less consequential for societal stability because men’s contributions to public, intellectual, and economic life were already prioritized.

I will state that I agree with you in the idealistic sense, that is, it makes sense to capitalize on talented individuals; however, there doesn't seem to be a feasible implementation that doesn't bring multiple downsides along with it, increased risks to familial structures, and diminishing returns. Any level of freedom granted to women, especially in education entails many risks.
 
My qualm with this still lies with the broader consequences of universal rules, and the fact that certain societal trade-offs need to be made. Encouraging, or at very least permitting, women to prioritize careers over family undermines the nurturing roles they’re biologically more suited for, as a rule based on statistical observation and consequences. It is an observatble pattern that increased female workforce participation in demanding fields correlates with lower birth rates and higher divorce rates.

I don't agree with the idea that society benefits more from individual excellence than from cohesive family units. As far as anthropology and history goes, societies that focused on prioritizing family and role clarity sustained themselves for centuries, while modern egalitarian experiments are already on a demographic decline; of course, it's not solely the result of education, but it is strongly related, and education is most certainly a massive factor. As a rule, the risk of excluding capable women (which are far more rare than men) is outweighed by the cost of destabilizing the family unit, especially since men, on average, show higher aptitude in fields like mathematics (simply look at male overrepresentation in top percentiles of math performance on standardized tests, which is why I repeatedly mentioned the concept of diminishing returns, especially when it comes along with various risks). A rule restricting women’s access, with rare exceptions, maximizes societal welfare by aligning with natural inclinations and preserving stability. I simply can't see a pragmatic way where you can have the best of both worlds.

Also, I'm aware some men were restricted as well in those societies (as this was a trend until the 19th century even), but that was less consequential for societal stability because men’s contributions to public, intellectual, and economic life were already prioritized.

I will state that I agree with you in the idealistic sense, that is, it makes sense to capitalize on talented individuals; however, there doesn't seem to be a feasible implementation that doesn't bring multiple downsides along with it, increased risks to familial structures, and diminishing returns. Any level of freedom granted to women, especially in education entails many risks.
I'd also argue that even if the exclusion of foids from education led to a shortage of "skilled laborers", men would be more than incentivized enough to fill in those gaps. The current gyno-fascist society literally holds men back from reaching their true potential. Men need a family and a female companion for their mental well-being. When you deny him that, that renders him half dead. If there are incentives, men will adapt and grow at an incredible rate. Male YTers and streamers adapt every week in order not to lose relevancy. Gamers adapt with every new patch.

With that said, even if society restored strict monogamy and excluded all the foids from the workforce, it'd still be deceptively empowering to foids. In times of emergency, like war, these foids would come out of the woods and openly shame men for dodging the draft like the "white feather" shit. Thus, not only should foids be excluded from the workforce, they should be outright excluded from men's society altogether. I believe the feminist cunt who started the white feather thing used foids' "lower status" in society as an excuse to justify shaming men for not literally dying in war. So, when you don't recognize foids as part of your society and just contractually bind them to be breeding holes, you don't owe them anything, by their own "low-trust" standard.

That also means men's needs would need to evolve. I sincerely believe that there's a very subtle difference in our love and hate for foids. We draw satisfaction from both their smiles and their suffering, obviously, depending on the kind of feelings we harbor for them. If we didn't draw satisfaction from their suffering or humiliation, all these "Woman/Feminist destroyed" or "When men fight back" videos on YouTube wouldn't be getting millions of views. Despite JBWs' hatred for ethnics, videos dunking on ethnics don't get nearly as much traction. Those videos literally serve as a form of therapy for men. Men should just embrace their instinctive hatred for foids and the fact that witnessing foids' suffering improves their mental health.
 
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I'd also argue that even if the exclusion of foids from education led to a shortage of "skilled laborers", men would be more than incentivized enough to fill in those gaps. The current gyno-fascist society literally holds men back from reaching their true potential. Men need a family and a female companion for their mental well-being. When you deny him that, that renders him half dead. If there are incentives, men will adapt and grow at an incredible rate. Male YTers and streamers adapt every week in order not to lose relevancy. Gamers adapt with every new patch.
This perspective is also correct, as female education—and the freedom it entails—weakens the family unit, which inevitably leads to the weakening of men themselves; without a proper incentive, and with the need to compete with women (which leads to gynocentrism on many strata), men simply don't soar as high as they possibly could. Further to that, this issue is also concerned with the fact men far exceed the capabilities of women in any of these fields, hence it is quite counterproductive to even try to include egalitarian nonsense (that even if executed properly, would lead to diminished returns), all at the expense of men.

When women are permitted to flood these spheres, the supposed “gain” is illusory. The labor pool expands superficially, but the long-term cost is a destabilized family unit, falling fertility, and the corrosion of male incentives to excel in the first place. A society that orients itself around its men, giving them responsibility, pressure, and the promise of family stability, will never lack for capable labor or innovation. Male ingenuity thrives under pressure, hence the burden of necessity only leads to flourishing.

The supposed “shortage” argument collapses when you realize that men have historically borne the weight of all meaningful innovation and adaptation.

Also, the mention of gamers is actually quite nice here, as the observable trend is, no matter how much the demographics shift—it is men who remain the best, and the most innovative.

With that said, even if society restored strict monogamy and excluded all the foids from the workforce, it'd still be deceptively empowering to foids. In times of emergency, like war, these foids would come out of the woods and openly shame men for dodging the draft like the "white feather" shit. Thus, not only should foids be excluded from the workforce, they should be outright excluded from men's society altogether. I believe the feminist cunt who started the white feather thing used foids' "lower status" in society as an excuse to justify shaming men for not literally dying in war. So, when you don't recognize foids as part of your society and just contractually bind them to be breeding holes, you don't owe them anything, by their own "low-trust" standard.

That also means men's needs would need to evolve. I sincerely believe that there's a very subtle difference in our love and hate for foids. We draw satisfaction from both their smiles and their suffering, obviously, depending on the kind of feelings we harbor for them. If we didn't draw satisfaction from their suffering or humiliation, all these "Woman/Feminist destroyed" or "When men fight back" videos on YouTube wouldn't be getting millions of views. Despite JBWs' hatred for ethnics, videos dunking on ethnics don't get nearly as much traction. Those videos literally serve as a form of therapy for men. Men should just embrace their instinctive hatred for foids and the fact that witnessing foids' suffering improves their mental health.
True. Even when they had "lower status," they still found ways to shame men to push them into the meat grinder. It proves that even when they appear powerless, they always find ways to socially manipulate and exploit. I suppose one could argue that even the so-called patriarchal society we had in the past was, in fact, highly gynocentric—as there are plenty of data, statistics, and women-centered ideas from that time that would corroborate this; perhaps it is human nature itself, inherently gynocentric, and unfixable. I think excluding them, like you said, could be a solution, but implementing it would be quite difficult, although it makes sense to reduce them even lower than in the past.

As for the schadenfreude part, I certainly agree that there's a psychological release when you watch them get hurt, albeit it's not necessarily their womanhood, but rather the behavior it entails that leads to that; it is satisfying to watch a whore who probably deems men such as myself subhuman—a wretched, superficial, and vile whore—getting exactly what she deserves.
 

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