Soul believers - Why do you believe in souls?

[D. B. Gooner]

This is a good faith thread. If you believe in souls, tell me why. I don't believe in them. I've never really gotten it.

For starters, what even is a soul? Is it our consciousness, is it like a ghostly figure that comes out of our bodies when we die like in the cartoons?

I'd like it if someone who believed in them would try to logically reason out why they exist. If you have some sort of personal story that made you believe in them, feel free to share it.

Why would we not be purely physical beings?

 

[Dr. Autismo]

I believe that when you lose your heart, you become a heartless, while your empty body becomes a nobody

 

[VanGobbel]

Soul is a figment of imagination

 

[pumpkinlord130]

The soul is the spirit of men that existed for aeons before material existence even began. Before our prison time began for a crime we've never committed. When we perish, our soul floats before ultimately coming back to suffer yet again or....it escapes somehow.

 

[eatdinner]

Your voice, your thoughts, your experience, your brain. If you were to be cloned exactly 1:1, would you experience what your clone experiences. You’re not your clone you’re you. Our physical bodies act as an interface that relays info to our brains. Fingerprints, taste buds, eyes. But the brain does things unconsciously as well.

 

[D. B. Gooner]

Your voice, your thoughts, your experience, your brain. If you were to be cloned exactly 1:1, would you experience what your clone experiences. You’re not your clone you’re you. Our physical bodies act as an interface that relays info to our brains. Fingerprints, taste buds, eyes. But the brain does things unconsciously as well.

Even if we were to consider this cloning hypothetical (which is inconceivable), why couldn't us having separate experiences be explained by us having separate bodies/brains. Up until the moment of cloning we share memories/experiences, and from that moment forward the clone goes it's own way, experiences it's own things, does separate actions which differ from ours because of circumstance, which have separate affects on it's body.

If my clone went off to smoke meth while I lived a healthy lifestyle, at some point our bodies wouldn't be the same. So once again, where does the soul come into play, why can't we just be physical beings?

 

[Shark]

I don't believe in souls, seeing as there is no concrete empirical evidence of them but I'm sort of open to the idea.

 

[D. B. Gooner]

I don't believe in souls, seeing as there is no concrete empirical evidence of them but I'm sort of open to the idea.

That's also my stance. If I were to be convinced of the existance of souls, I could look into some spiritual copes, but until then, there is no room for escapism in my life.

 

[eatdinner]

Even if we were to consider this cloning hypothetical (which is inconceivable), why couldn't us having separate experiences be explained by us having separate bodies/brains. Up until the moment of cloning we share memories/experiences, and from that moment forward the clone goes it's own way, experiences it's own things, does separate actions which differ from ours because of circumstance, which have separate affects on it's body.

If my clone went off to smoke meth while I lived a healthy lifestyle, at some point our bodies wouldn't be the same. So once again, where does the soul come into play, why can't we just be physical beings?

Yeah you might be right. The term “soul” could just be a pre scientific label for the subjective experience itself, but why does it occur. Why is a “viewer” produced. Memory, processing, speech, these processes can exist without that “viewer”. There isn’t any logical or tangible evidence for it but why do humans document or journal. In a way art is proof of soul, maybe not.

There is no way to separate that viewer/soul from its physical being, but they are not one. The body acts unconsciously unbeknownst to that viewer. Almost like that viewer/soul is trapped within.

 

[whyflylongtimecel]

near death experiences and alien abduction cases

 

[kevkon]

I don't believe in souls, seeing as there is no concrete empirical evidence of them but I'm sort of open to the idea.

Yeah but science can’t prove everything. Transcendental or metaphysical things absolutely exist but science can’t really be used to tie it down, so I would say just because there’s no empirical evidence for something doesn’t prove that it doesn’t exist because that’s just one category for gathering data that won’t work on the spiritual or anything that falls outside of what we know about science, the universe, the esoteric, ect. Which a lot of people believe exists at least to some extent. Empirical data can’t account for everything especially philosophical concepts like consciousness and the soul.

 

[NEB.feelsdevil]

Yes. Not only does the SOUL exist, but I also have photographic evidence of it and a way to measure it. I am currently in the process of making a high effort thread about it, but it will take me time.

I will tag everyone from here and from https://incels.is/threads/attention...y-subforum-i-will-post-photo-evidence.845024/

 

[D. B. Gooner]

Yeah but science can’t prove everything. Transcendental or metaphysical things absolutely exist but science can’t really be used to tie it down, so I would say just because there’s no empirical evidence for something doesn’t prove that it doesn’t exist because that’s just one category for gathering data that won’t work on the spiritual or anything that falls outside of what we know about science, the universe, the esoteric, ect. Which a lot of people believe exists at least to some extent. Empirical data can’t account for everything especially philosophical concepts like consciousness and the soul.

But there's no reason for us to believe souls exist if our consciousness can be explained away as a byproduct of our physical body/the brain. You can claim something like god might exist because the creation of everything is an irrational occurrence, but I see no reason to believe in a soul when our consciousness can be rationalized. At that point it's just fantasy.

A god would be a catalyst for logic, so it is the only concept that isn't bound by it. Everything else in existence must be rational and must fall in line with logic.

 

[D. B. Gooner]

Yes. Not only does the SOUL exist, but I also have photographic evidence of it and a way to measure it. I am currently in the process of making a high effort thread about it, but it will take me time.

I will tag everyone from here and from https://incels.is/threads/attention...y-subforum-i-will-post-photo-evidence.845024/

I'll be there but I'll be sceptical.

 

[Misogynist Vegeta]

I cannot be sure if souls do not exist or not, I propose to you the transporter question. If in the future we have such powerful technology that we are able to transport matter by taking it a part and beaming it's atoms towards a destination were the matter will be reassembled will a human that undergoes this process be the same human? As in will the consciousness transfer over or will this human be a copy in which the original has been destroyed? If consciousness does not transfer over than this would imply that we have souls.

 

[D. B. Gooner]

I cannot be sure if souls do not exist or not, I propose to you the transporter question. If in the future we have such powerful technology that we are able to transport matter by taking it a part and beaming it's atoms towards a destination were the matter will be reassembled will a human that undergoes this process be the same human? As in will the consciousness transfer over or will this human be a copy in which the original has been destroyed? If consciousness does not transfer over than this would imply that we have souls.

To answer that question the mechanism you've described would have to first be proven as a possibility. You can't say "If there were such a thing, would it happen this way or this other way?" We can't know because we haven't experienced it, and we won't know until we do, so at that point it's pure speculation. Hypotheticals should be realistic and replicable.

 

[Misogynist Vegeta]

To answer that question the mechanism you've described would have to first be proven as a possibility. You can't say "If there were such a thing, would it happen this way or this other way?" We can't know because we haven't experienced it, and we won't know until we do, so at that point it's pure speculation. Hypotheticals should be realistic and replicable.

Well you can't really prove the existence of souls or the non-existence of souls because technology that could do so either is impossible or doesn't exist yet. This is why I'm not strong believer either way.

 

[xek000000kk]

No soul for ur face

 

[CosmicSerialKiller]

Open to the idea, but with a dose of scepticism.

I can imagine some sort of ethereal energy inhabiting each body, and upon death, this energy returns to the cosmos ready to be re-used in another body.

While interesting, a soul does just seem like a way to explain the nigh unexplainable. What is consciousness, beyond synaptic firings and electrical signals? Why as humans we are capable of such existential awareness? A real conundrum, for sure.

 

[CosmicSerialKiller]

Yes. Not only does the SOUL exist, but I also have photographic evidence of it and a way to measure it. I am currently in the process of making a high effort thread about it, but it will take me time.

I will tag everyone from here and from https://incels.is/threads/attention...y-subforum-i-will-post-photo-evidence.845024/

Can't wait to see what you come up with brother.

 

[Lonelyus]

The earth has raped my soul and left a scar on my soul, Wish humanity could dissapear.

 

[AntisocialNihilist]

Even if we were to consider this cloning hypothetical (which is inconceivable), why couldn't us having separate experiences be explained by us having separate bodies/brains. Up until the moment of cloning we share memories/experiences, and from that moment forward the clone goes it's own way, experiences it's own things, does separate actions which differ from ours because of circumstance, which have separate affects on it's body.

If my clone went off to smoke meth while I lived a healthy lifestyle, at some point our bodies wouldn't be the same. So once again, where does the soul come into play, why can't we just be physical beings?

List of cloned animals - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They can clone animals, what's stopping them from cloning a human, not that they would tell your goyim ass.

 

[foidslayer4ever]

It has been proven that when someone dies there is a sudden loss in weight that is unexplainable. That is your soul. It is what keeps you alive, not the heart.

 

[Wolfstorm]

Soul is consciousness. A psychic field, that can't be located in time, nor in space.

 

[D. B. Gooner]

List of cloned animals - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They can clone animals, what's stopping them from cloning a human, not that they would tell your goyim ass.

Yes, they always trick the goyim, except when they tell us they've cloned animals, they're not lying about that one. And even if they did clone an animal, doesn't prove the soul exists. They claim they just did a regular artificial insemination, but removed the nucleus from the mothers egg. Basically it's just like the animal having sex with another animal but one of them doesn't pass on their genes.

 

[D. B. Gooner]

It has been proven that when someone dies there is a sudden loss in weight that is unexplainable. That is your soul. It is what keeps you alive, not the heart.

So then it is physical and measurable? So why can't we extract or observe it? That's BS and is likely just gas leaving the body or something similar.

 

[D. B. Gooner]

Soul is consciousness. A psychic field, that can't be located in time, nor in space.

But how do we know it's real and not just a byproduct of our physical body?

 

[ImperialArk]

I use to believe soul is just consciousness, now i kinda still do but I don't think its going to heaven or hell or even just hang around when I die

 

[foidslayer4ever]

So then it is physical and measurable? So why can't we extract or observe it? That's BS and is likely just gas leaving the body or something similar.

You are jumping to conclusions, souls are in the meta physical. Do you believe in love or hate, these things aren't measurable nor scientific. Science might explain what chemicals come from it and theorize but nothing can be scientifically tested.

 

[D. B. Gooner]

You are jumping to conclusions, souls are in the meta physical. Do you believe in love or hate, these things aren't measurable nor scientific. Science might explain what chemicals come from it and theorize but nothing can be scientifically tested.

But why would we call love/hate meta physical when they can be explained away by the physical (the chemicals you've mentioned). It just sounds like humans searching for higher meaning where there is none.

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

Going by the Bible all the all the words associated with soul or spirit had to do with breathe or breathing .

The word ruach also means wind as well as Spirit.

The word nefesh refers to the throat were wind or breath is formed.

The word neshamah also meaning soul means breathing or breathe .

 

[D. B. Gooner]

Going by the Bible all the all the words associated with soul or spirit had to do with breathe or breathing .

The word ruach also means wind as well as Spirit.

The word nefesh refers to the throat were wind or breath is formed.

The word neshamah also meaning soul means breathing or breathe .

So other humans equated having a soul to breathing (being alive). Doesn't prove the existence of the soul. Language is human in origin, and isn't necessarily an universal truth.

 

[Wolfstorm]

But how do we know it's real and not just a byproduct of our physical body?

Lucid dreaming. When you wake up from one, you might feel the axis of physical reality.
You can say these are just chemicals on the brain, but then, we live in a electrical universe.
Earth also has its own soul, which manifests physically as its magnetic field.

 

[D. B. Gooner]

Lucid dreaming. When you wake up from one, you might feel the axis of physical reality.
You can say these are just chemicals on the brain, but then, we live in a electrical universe.
Earth also has its own soul, which manifests physically as its magnetic field.

I haven't experienced lucid dreaming so I can't dispute that. The other statements are just that - statements made woth no deductive reasoning.

I guess the only way for me to believe in a soul is through personal experience, and since I haven't had any yet, I will treat the world as solely physical until I do.

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

So other humans equated having a soul to breathing (being alive). Doesn't prove the existence of the soul. Language is human in origin, and isn't necessarily an universal truth.

True , I was giving a Biblical perspective. Look at it this way , breathe makes you alive and the essence of your life is your soul

 

[Lo3e]

Going by the Bible all the all the words associated

 

[The_word_made_flesh]

So other humans equated having a soul to breathing (being alive). Doesn't prove the existence of the soul. Language is human in origin, and isn't necessarily an universal truth.

Perhaps but it is a powerful insight

 

[Wolfstorm]

There are different degrees of consciousness, which defines how expanded a soul is.
From the point of view of a neurodivergent, a neurotypical is practically unconscious.
And from the point of view of a neurotypical, animals are unconscious.
The more conscious the ND is, the more he will suffer, and his field will expand beyond the horizon available to his physical brain.
Actually we dont use most of the brain, only while sleeping. If you have changing dreams at night, actually you had two dreams overlapping, each from a different area of the brain. The ND do daydream because he uses more of his brain than the NT. This opens him up to psychism, hence why so many autists suffer from the sensation of invasion. The walls are constantly closing on you, and every detail can become a nightmare. And to protect yourself from it, you require constant closure, you need more stability than the NT.

 

[ihatelife2]

My interpretation of soul is your personality inside but you probably mean something deeper?

 

[D. B. Gooner]

My interpretation of soul is your personality inside but you probably mean something deeper?

I mean something that isn't physical.

 

[razielkillerofgods]

The soul is you, the body is just a shell/vessel.
I also think the majority of humans are npcs without a soul. Thats why many of them don't even have inner monologue and when they close their eyes they see static instead of darkness.

 

[D. B. Gooner]

The soul is you, the body is just a shell/vessel.
I also think the majority of humans are npcs without a soul. Thats why many of them don't even have inner monologue and when they close their eyes they see static instead of darkness.

But these are just baseless statements. Why adopt a belief in the soul if consciousness can be explained away as a by-product of our physical bodies? And saying others are soulless is a cope people say to feel more complex/superior, come on.

 

[razielkillerofgods]

But these are just baseless statements. Why adopt a belief in the soul if consciousness can be explained away as a by-product of our physical bodies? And saying others are soulless is a cope people say to feel more complex/superior, come on.

Everything in this world is a baseless statement.

 

[.hiei.jaganshi.]

The soul is the spirit of men that existed for aeons before material existence even began. Before our prison time began for a crime we've never committed. When we perish, our soul floats before ultimately coming back to suffer yet again or....it escapes somehow.

Not everyone has a soul tho. Normie NPCs don’t have souls; they’re hylics according to Gnosticism

 

[.hiei.jaganshi.]

But these are just baseless statements. Why adopt a belief in the soul if consciousness can be explained away as a by-product of our physical bodies? And saying others are soulless is a cope people say to feel more complex/superior, come on.

Hylics are in fact soulless and the Gnostics knew about them. In this day and age, hylics are called NPCs

 

[.hiei.jaganshi.]

The soul is you, the body is just a shell/vessel.
I also think the majority of humans are npcs without a soul. Thats why many of them don't even have inner monologue and when they close their eyes they see static instead of darkness.

Yeah they’re hylics

 

[pumpkinlord130]

Not everyone has a soul tho. Normie NPCs don’t have souls; they’re hylics according to Gnosticism

Well, let's think about this another way: do animals have souls?

 

[.hiei.jaganshi.]

Well, let's think about this another way: do animals have souls?

I don’t think so

 

[hierophant]

This is a good faith thread. If you believe in souls, tell me why. I don't believe in them. I've never really gotten it.

For starters, what even is a soul? Is it our consciousness, is it like a ghostly figure that comes out of our bodies when we die like in the cartoons?

I'd like it if someone who believed in them would try to logically reason out why they exist. If you have some sort of personal story that made you believe in them, feel free to share it.

Why would we not be purely physical beings?

To answer your last question, he who has experiences life will learn that phenomena is not limited to material, but that events occur which are so beyond the materials that we learn thereon in that life is more then base elements & cause and effect.

 

[Wolfstorm]

Hylics have a single psychic field, the hivemind. This "world soul" controls their behaviour. In the case of foids, it also chooses who is going to breed and who will not.
Souls are psychic fields similar to the Earth's magnetosphere. Animals have a species field which is purely biological. They are unconscious subjects, their subjectivity is the one of their hivemind. When you see a PUA talking about "personal magnetism" he is talking about the npc hivemind, about how to dilute one's soul into it.