Blackpill (Slavpill) In the USSR, Korean minority men were up to 8 times more likely to marry a white woman than their women were white men

[The Notorious SLAV]

Damn, who would have guessed. Is there any other sentiment that had been catching Ls as consistently as Slavpil denial had been?

Social Change and Marriage Patterns among Koryo Saram in Kazakhstan, 1937–1965*

That entire page is just epic.

Korean men were significantly more likely than womento outmarry generally, in part because of their greater exposure to interethnic contact; a striking 79.1% of all interethnic marriages among the Korean community in our data set involved men. This general trend was apparent in all cities surveyed (Table 2), and stands in stark contrast to, e.g., the United States where exogamy among ethnic Koreans is much more common for women: according to census data from 2000, only 40.0% of marriages for U.S.-raised ethnic Korean women are endogamous, whereas the figure is 63.2% for men.

This difference also underscores the particularity of US popular media imagery that is often critiqued for its emasculation of Asian American masculinity. The contrast with the former Soviet Union is stark. One might also note here, for example, that the godfather of rock music in the ex-USSR and an icon of youthful male rebellion (such as it was), was Viktor Tsoi, the offspring of a marriage between Robert Tsoi, a Koryo saram engineer born in Kyzyl-Orda in 1938, and an ethnic Russian schoolteacher.

Ethnic intermarriage in the former Soviet Union had its own particular cast. As Susukolov observed, “the indigenous men of Central Asia and the Caucasus often intermarried. Women from the European republics of the USSR, however, were no less likely and sometimes more likely than men to enter into mixed marriages.

In a single page, we get the stat that almost 80% of Koreans in USSR who intermarried were men, a very self-aware comparison with WMAF being much more common in the US and other countries than AMWF, a mention that, apparently, the biggest rockstar in Russian history was himself an AMWF hapa which I had no idea until finding this, and finally, a brief quote of another sociologist who studied this, who summed up ethnic intermarriage in the USSR, as having Central Asian men and Slavic European women as he main protagonists.

And the overall outmarriage numbers tell only half the story.

More than 100 ethnic groups, of whom Russians were the most numerous, were living in Kazakhstan by the 1950s. As one might expect, and as we have already indicated, the directionality of mixed marriages in Kazakhstan was hardly neutral with respect to the diverse ethnic mosaic that composed the population.

While Korean males disproportionately married Russian women, over the period under discussion the range of ethnic groups with which Korean women intermarried was more varied. In the four cities sampled between 1937 and 1965 (Table 5), interethnic matches occur most frequently with Russians (Korean men: 70.0%; Korean women: 45.6%) and second most frequently with Ukrainians (Korean men: 11.4%; Korean women: 5.3%).

Intermarriage with Kazakhs took third place overall (9.0%). Here, however, the directionality of intermarriage is strikingly reversed: only 5.3% of exogamous marriages for Korean men were with Kazakh women, but 26.3% of Korean women’s interethnic marriages were with Kazakh men. If outmarrying, Korean women were thus approximately five times more likely to partner with Kazakhs than Korean men were;

80%+ of outmarried Korean men married Russian or Ukrainian women, while only 50%+ of outmarried Korean women did, meaning that, as men outmarried much more, there were maybe up to 8 times as many Korean Soviet men married to ethnic Russians and Ukrainians then Korean women, taking into account that the data here is rather incomplete. Meanwhile, the opposite is true for Kazakh-Korean marriages, and despite Korean men outmarrying at such higher rates, their female counterparts were so much more likely to marry a Kazakh that there seem to have been more Kazakh male-Korean female marriages than vice versa.

Oh, and of course, other ethnicities seem to have been doing better than Russians and Ukrainians, because of course they were.

Other examples of intermarriages are filled out by a miscellany of ethnic groups: Volga Tatars at 4.0% of the total (Korean men: 5.3%; Korean women: 1.8), Germans at 1.4% (men: 1.6%; women: 1.8%), and Belarusians at 1.1% (men: 1.1%; women: 1.8%). Marriages to a smattering of other ethnicities including Jews, Buryats, Mongols, Chinese, and Bashkirs comprised 9.4% of the total (men: 7.9%; women: 19.3%).

Apparently it somewhat equalized over time, but seems that that was just in terms of composition, not overall numbers which still heavily favored men.

In the 1960s, with the expansion of bilingualism and the higher educational and socioeconomic status of Koreans, interethnic marriages continued to grow more frequent. In the first half of the decade, exogenous marriages of Korean men appeared in the following order: Russian (76.9%), Kazakhs (11.5%), and then Ukrainians, Germans, and Chinese (3.8% apiece), whereas for Korean women intermarriages were now occurring with Russians (70.0%), which shows striking growth. One might surmise that this has to do with Korean women’s increasing access to education and employment outside the home.

Intermarriage with Russians was followed by marriages with Kazakhs (20.0%) and other ethnicities in small numbers (Mongols, Koryak, etc.). Here what is most notable is simply the colorful, highly multicultural mosaic of society in Kazakhstan that had already developed a half-century ago, long before the term multiculturalismcame to be bandied about in Europe or the United States, let alone South Korea itself.

Thoughts?

 

[Grodd]

Brutal for Slavcels

 

[Trident]

i rarely if ever see Russian men with Asian/ethnic/black women, it's always our women with outsiders when it comes to international/interracial relationships.

 

[Trident]

Kalergi plan is bound to succeed

 

[GobidMujahid]

No surprise there, as mate guarding is a form of social conservatism.

Among these three nationalities, Russians were the most liberal, followed by Koreans and then Kazakhs.

I don't think you can conclude that Korean men outcompeted their Russian peers from this data alone, if that is what you are implying.

 

[Puppeter]

Rusians are the biggest cucks they are also dying rn in ukraine like retards while 7 billion mongols come in their country

 

[reveries]

i rarely if ever see Russian men with Asian/ethnic/black women, it's always our women with outsiders when it comes to international/interracial relationships.

That's correct

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

i rarely if ever see Russian men with Asian/ethnic/black women, it's always our women with outsiders when it comes to international/interracial relationships.

We remember the 2018 championship.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Damn, who would have guessed. Is there any other sentiment that had been catching Ls as consistently as Slavpil denial had been?

View attachment 1530084

Social Change and Marriage Patterns among Koryo Saram in Kazakhstan, 1937–1965*

That entire page is just epic.





In a single page, we get the stat that almost 80% of Koreans in USSR who intermarried were men, a very self-aware comparison with WMAF being much more common in the US and other countries than AMWF, a mention that, apparently, the biggest rockstar in Russian history was himself an AMWF hapa which I had no idea until finding this, and finally, a brief quote of another sociologist who studied this, who summed up ethnic intermarriage in the USSR, as having Central Asian men and Slavic European women as he main protagonists.

And the overall outmarriage numbers tell only half the story.




80%+ of outmarried Korean men married Russian or Ukrainian women, while only 50%+ of outmarried Korean women did, meaning that, as men outmarried much more, there were maybe up to 8 times as many Korean Soviet men married to ethnic Russians and Ukrainians then Korean women, taking into account that the data here is rather incomplete. Meanwhile, the opposite is true for Kazakh-Korean marriages, and despite Korean men outmarrying at such higher rates, their female counterparts were so much more likely to marry a Kazakh that there seem to have been more Kazakh male-Korean female marriages than vice versa.

Oh, and of course, other ethnicities seem to have been doing better than Russians and Ukrainians, because of course they were.



Apparently it somewhat equalized over time, but seems that that was just in terms of composition, not overall numbers which still heavily favored men.




Thoughts?

I don't know what to say. I've never researched this topic. To be more precise, I only researched Russian-Jewish marriages in the USSR.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

Damn, who would have guessed. Is there any other sentiment that had been catching Ls as consistently as Slavpil denial had been?

View attachment 1530084

Social Change and Marriage Patterns among Koryo Saram in Kazakhstan, 1937–1965*

That entire page is just epic.





In a single page, we get the stat that almost 80% of Koreans in USSR who intermarried were men, a very self-aware comparison with WMAF being much more common in the US and other countries than AMWF, a mention that, apparently, the biggest rockstar in Russian history was himself an AMWF hapa which I had no idea until finding this, and finally, a brief quote of another sociologist who studied this, who summed up ethnic intermarriage in the USSR, as having Central Asian men and Slavic European women as he main protagonists.

And the overall outmarriage numbers tell only half the story.




80%+ of outmarried Korean men married Russian or Ukrainian women, while only 50%+ of outmarried Korean women did, meaning that, as men outmarried much more, there were maybe up to 8 times as many Korean Soviet men married to ethnic Russians and Ukrainians then Korean women, taking into account that the data here is rather incomplete. Meanwhile, the opposite is true for Kazakh-Korean marriages, and despite Korean men outmarrying at such higher rates, their female counterparts were so much more likely to marry a Kazakh that there seem to have been more Kazakh male-Korean female marriages than vice versa.

Oh, and of course, other ethnicities seem to have been doing better than Russians and Ukrainians, because of course they were.



Apparently it somewhat equalized over time, but seems that that was just in terms of composition, not overall numbers which still heavily favored men.




Thoughts?

There is a theory. This can be partially explained by the large number of Russian men who died in World War II. Koreans were considered enemies of the people, and as a result, they were exempted from military service and deported from the Far East to Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan as Japanese spies.

 

[Kamanbert]

JBW my ass. More like just dont be slav.

 

[Kamanbert]

i rarely if ever see Russian men with Asian/ethnic/black women, it's always our women with outsiders when it comes to international/interracial relationships.

Same for poles.

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

No surprise there, as mate guarding is a form of social conservatism.

Among these three nationalities, Russians were the most liberal, followed by Koreans and then Kazakhs.

I don't think you can conclude that Korean men outcompeted their Russian peers from this data alone, if that is what you are implying.

Maybe, maybe not, but this comment provides a good opportunity for me to point out that discussions on this forum whenever those numbers are reversed rarely involve calls to not make hasty judgements about what that means about different racial groups' relative attractiveness.

We remember the 2018 championship.

Some of the images from that I've seen were pretty crazy + politicians having to specifically tell foids to limit sex with foreigners as much as possible because of how problematic being a single mother can be.

 

[fang]

Maybe, maybe not, but this comment provides a good opportunity for me to point out that discussions on this forum whenever those numbers are reversed rarely involve calls to not make hasty judgements about what that means about different racial groups' relative attractiveness

Asian-Americans in their millions are a significant data point.
Tiny Korean diasporas numbering few hundred tracked exclusively in 4 random Soviet cities are not.

 

[plastic chewer]

As the article notes, only 16% of initially reported marriages where interethnic, with the vast majority of monoethnic Korean marriges unreported.
This is an extremely low intermarriage rate given that they were a small minority of the Kazakh SSR population.

It's not exactly like illiterate, forcibly deported Korean women were emancipated either, why would the men allow them to interethnically marry?

The sample size is a meme as well.

Complete academia slop nothingburger.

 

[RealSchizo]

Kalergi plan is bound to succeed

The Kalergi plan is even worse in Russia than the US because slavic women are much more prone to race mixing.

I've been told by people who lived during the USSR that russian foids for some reason love uzbeks and other non-white races or swarthy dark men.

Slavic women are so fucking shameless and degenerate.

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

Russian image of Asians: uncivilized migrant laborers that grape and commit crime

Western image of Asians: low T sissies that are less masculine than white women

 

[Horatio Ludwiczek]

Why didn't you tag me @WorthlessSlavicShit ?

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Asian-Americans in their millions are a significant data point.

A significant data point in their own social context for sure, but if you tried to use to predict how intermarriages went in the USSR, they would fail you, as this study shows. Social context differs, that's just the truth, and American alone data isn't going to apply to the whole world.

Tiny Korean diasporas numbering few hundred tracked exclusively in 4 random Soviet cities are not.

As the article notes, only 16% of initially reported marriages where interethnic, with the vast majority of monoethnic Korean marriges unreported.
This is an extremely low intermarriage rate given that they were a small minority of the Kazakh SSR population.

It's not exactly like illiterate, forcibly deported Korean women were emancipated either, why would the men allow them to interethnically marry?

The sample size is a meme as well.

Complete academia slop nothingburger.

You don't need to screen an entire population to get a good idea of overall trends if they are strong and consistent enough + USSR's minority Korean population wasn't really that small. Russia currently has the biggest Korean minority in Europe, and even during the timeframe this study is about, it should be about as big as Germany's is today, if not larger.

But fair enough, maybe the study should've been bigger and more recent... which is why I'm happy I just now found a few threads talking about Russia's 2010 population census, which seems to be the source for the latest intermarriage data in there on the internet.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/aznidentity/comments/ala8ca/intermarriage_ratios_for_asian_ethnicities_in/



View: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/12789ge/maps_on_ethnic_intermarriage_in_russia_oc_check/


Not that much of a difference now, but still a notable contrast with US' data.

Why didn't you tag me @WorthlessSlavicShit ?

Because I wasn't tagging anyone, in part so I wouldn't find myself in an awkward position where someone I should've tagged would find they were left out.

 

[underballer]

How times have changed

 

[underballer]

i rarely if ever see Russian men with Asian/ethnic/black women, it's always our women with outsiders when it comes to international/interracial relationships.

Do Eastern European/slavs just want their own feminine Slavic women

 

[fang]

A significant data point in their own social context for sure, but if you tried to use to predict how intermarriages went in the USSR, they would fail you, as this study shows. Social context differs, that's just the truth, and American alone data isn't going to apply to the whole world.

Would it be a reach to say that:

• 'The American dataset is inherently more valuable and has a greater predictive ability globally, the US just matters more.'
• 'Much like how being a Slav is more advantageous--in more "contexts,"--than being Asian or Korean.'

?

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Would it be a reach to say that:

• 'The American dataset is inherently more valuable and has a greater predictive ability globally, the US just matters more.'
• 'Much like how being a Slav is more advantageous--in more "contexts,"--than being Asian or Korean.'

?

Fair enough, though of course local data should always be seen as the most important.

 

[Leon98]

Like Viktor Tsoi

 

[AsiaCel]

I didn't knew Kino was founded by a Korean dude

Viktor Tsoi - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Trident]

 

[Caichan]

russian L i’m in heaven

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

Do Eastern European/slavs just want their own feminine Slavic women

Kinda, i'm pole and polish guys simp a lot for their own women

Really...Russians and Poles are some LEAST mateguarding men on planet

I argue ONLY SEA gooks mateguard less

@The Notorious SLAV
@Cryotron

 

[Trident]

Russians and Poles are some LEAST mateguarding men on planet

cuckold nations

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

cuckold nations

very true...

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Really...Russians and Poles are some LEAST mateguarding men on planet

I argue ONLY SEA gooks mateguard less

@The Notorious SLAV
@Cryotron

Agreed. I'd really love to know why promoting local women to foreigners is so common and "casual", so to speak, in EE, but of course nobody has done any deep research into that.

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

Agreed. I'd really love to know why promoting local women to foreigners is so common and "casual", so to speak, in EE, but of course nobody has done any deep research into that.

It's steers from dumb pride that we have most beautiful women

 

[underballer]

Kinda, i'm pole and polish guys simp a lot for their own women

Really...Russians and Poles are some LEAST mateguarding men on planet

I argue ONLY SEA gooks mateguard less

@The Notorious SLAV
@Cryotron

Really? You’re kidding right

I’d be scared to go into Eastern Europe and try to bang Slavic women


But east and Southeast Asia is an open brothel for everyone

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Never ask:

A man his salary.
A woman her age or weight (or bodycount).
An extreme JBW pusher why there is no phenomenon of NEA noodlewhores flocking to Russia and other really poor post-Soviet spaces as sex tourists despite the average wages in Japan and South Korea being as much higher than Russia's (about four times) as Russia's is compared to India's, while even in China it's already notably higher, so money absolutely can't be a problem.

It's steers from dumb pride that we have most beautiful women

Yeah, that's a symptom of it, but if anything, that could also lead to more mateguarding. It's just a weird phenomenon all around.

Really? You’re kidding right

I’d be scared to go into Eastern Europe and try to bang Slavic women

But east and Southeast Asia is an open brothel for everyone

If only other ethnics were, boyo.

[Slavpill] Turks, Nigerians and Vietnamese were the most common foreign grooms in Moscow in 2020

So, I've heard there were some copes about Russia and Russian women being "based" and "trad" and "white nationalist":feelskek::feelskek:, with some "JBW" making Russian men slayers and Russian women untouchable to ethnics. May I see any of that?:lul::lul: More than six thousand marriages...

incels.is

For context, what are you afraid of in countries with, except for Russia and Ukraine, some of the lowest violent crime rates in the world?

 

[DarkStar]

“B-b-but muh USSR was based n’ sheit and was still ethnonat”

Meanwhile, reality

Lol seriously fuck the USSR, it was founded and ran by Joos also(Bolshevik leadership was mostly Jewish) so not surprised stuff such as went down.

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

For context, what are you afraid of in countries with, except for Russia and Ukraine, some of the lowest violent crime rates in the world?

Yeah people think on net that we are all violent gopniks JFL

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

“B-b-but muh USSR was based n’ sheit and was still ethnonat”

Meanwhile, reality

Lol seriously fuck the USSR, it was founded and ran by Joos also(Bolshevik leadership was mostly Jewish) so not surprised stuff such as went down.

100% agree, daily reminder that Bolsheviks hated both russians and germans living in russia

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

Trotsky - Jew
Lenin - Russian Kalmyk ZOG mutt
Stalin - Georgian

 

[underballer]

Never ask:

A man his salary.
A woman her age or weight (or bodycount).
An extreme JBW pusher why there is no phenomenon of NEA noodlewhores flocking to Russia and other really poor post-Soviet spaces as sex tourists despite the average wages in Japan and South Korea being as much higher than Russia's (about four times) as Russia's is compared to India's, while even in China it's already notably higher, so money absolutely can't be a problem.

Yeah, that's a symptom of it, but if anything, that could also lead to more mateguarding. It's just a weird phenomenon all around.


If only other ethnics were, boyo.

[Slavpill] Turks, Nigerians and Vietnamese were the most common foreign grooms in Moscow in 2020

So, I've heard there were some copes about Russia and Russian women being "based" and "trad" and "white nationalist":feelskek::feelskek:, with some "JBW" making Russian men slayers and Russian women untouchable to ethnics. May I see any of that?:lul::lul: More than six thousand marriages...

incels.is

For context, what are you afraid of in countries with, except for Russia and Ukraine, some of the lowest violent crime rates in the world?

no dude eastern euro's/slavs are tough guys that will beat you up

 

[DarkStar]

Trotsky - Jew
Lenin - Russian Kalmyk ZOG mutt
Stalin - Georgian

There’s some evidence Stalin was partly Jewish

Illl dig it up later along with other stuff i have. It’s also worth noting that Wall Street in the US sent a lot of cash to them.

100% agree, daily reminder that Bolsheviks hated both russians and germans living in russia

They appointed tons of Non Slavic groups into power as well whom helped in committing many awful acts against the Slavic Russians

No wonder so many shitskins soyface over the USSR jfl. It’s another form of globohomo astroturfed as some “based” paradise.

In fact i’d say the USSR was more globohomo than the US was for the most part. Yes the US always was “Liberal” and influenced by Jews+Freemasons etc but it wasn’t the Og form of “you will own nothing be surrounded by ethnoids and be happy while living with gray shitty coloring for art and buildings”

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

no dude eastern euro's/slavs are tough guys that will beat you up

Myth kinda

 

[underballer]

Myth kinda

ah i see ok

 

[The Notorious SLAV]

Yeah people think on net that we are all violent gopniks JFL

Myth kinda

I'd say it's a remnant of the 90s, when the economy collapsed and crime rates skyrocketed. I read somewhere that stereotypes have a 30-year lifespan, and it does feel like we are seeing this stereotype well on its way to finally dying.

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

I'd say it's a remnant of the 90s, when the economy collapsed and crime rates skyrocketed. I read somewhere that stereotypes have a 30-year lifespan, and it does feel like we are seeing this stereotype well on its way to finally dying.

Stereotypes always are seen as negative oh besides ''this country MUST have beautiful women''

 

[SCP-Gorillion]

Drunken violent slav
Nazi german
Ugly Anglo with bad teeth
Lazy Spaniards Italian
Small dicked Japanese ( tho east asians are insanely glazed due to anime now )
Americans...
I don't need to start on jeets

 

[Trident]

I'd say it's a remnant of the 90s, when the economy collapsed and crime rates skyrocketed. I read somewhere that stereotypes have a 30-year lifespan, and it does feel like we are seeing this stereotype well on its way to finally dying.

some outsiders still believe there are gopniks walking around in tracksuits

 

[Shaktiman]

Russian image of Asians: uncivilized migrant laborers that grape and commit crime

Western image of Asians: low T sissies that are less masculine than white women

This.The more criminal race you are the more you attract women.Its no wonder that thugmaxxed shariahmaxxed pakis in britain pull white women/girls left and right while iqmaxxed h1bvisamaxxed pakis in america remain incels and betabuxxers

 

[underballer]

Russian image of Asians: uncivilized migrant laborers that grape and commit crime

Western image of Asians: low T sissies that are less masculine than white women

Both white to me so the same basically

 

[Hail The Bloatlord]

Take the real-socialism-pill

 

[Horatio Ludwiczek]

Lifefuel for Fathercels