Should people unwilling to work, and who dont qualify as disabled by current government standards, be paid government money? If not, and they do not want to work, want should they do?
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Yes, anything is better than wageslaving.
No let them die tbh.
I don't work and Im not dead because I leech money and I justify that because Im severly disabled(incel) and also bullied for my disability.
I don't work and Im not dead because I leech money and I justify that because Im severly disabled(incel) and also bullied for my disability.
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No, this way degeneracy and single mother foids would die out in 2 weeks.
OP says by current government standards. Being incel, while a disability, is not a government recognized disability
Realistically they shouldn’t get given anything, IRL it should be sunk or swim. But since I’m a lazy fuck at my core I wouldn’t mind getting free money for doing jack shit
A UBI is probably economically infeasible in our current economic system which is dependent on desperation. But the principle of it I agree with.
It’s a concept created from a place of ignorance, short sightedness, and recklessness. The citizens of 1st world nations would sinner become dependents rather than do what they need to do to provide for themselves
If you don’t have a physical or mental condition then you should be forced to work tbh.
In that case the government is stupid and the community in danger because its leaders are destructive and I would then say that these people who don't work should get paid even more than those who work as a mean to sabotage and eventually overthrow the current rule.
should inceldom count as a disability?
you could really classify almost any reason people dont work as a disability
part of what made phrasing my OP difficult
they sould receive the bare minimum to suvive and if they dont get a job in a long time the money getd revoked
Money if you are mentally retarded or physically disabled. No money and die on the street if you are just lazy.
Being unattractive is a disability.
I think maybe provisioning homes and healthcare and food for everyone who needs such things is possible, while also providing enough incentives for people to do all the work necessary to maintain a healthy society.
The question is how. It could probably be done best in our modern capitalist welfare state, as long as its done by direct resource transfer and vouchers instead of money handouts.
I assume you believe the future for the average person is absolutely awful as well, seeing as they will be forced by desperation and being pushed into a life based on nothing but a cycle of work/consume into competing for increasingly underpaid work with everyone else even as the amount of jobs and the opportunity to move up on the socioeconomic ladder (or even achieve as well as their middle class parents did for being mediocre people) becomes nonexistent? What is your personal plan to deal with this and stay afloat?
Everyone needs these things but the question is how will they get it. If the answer to that question is “our taxes will pay for it” then one must be prepared to rework the entire welfare system. Ten of millions of people will be scrambling for s the opportunity to simply leech off of the hard work of the individual with no plans to ever stand on their own two feet. Given how out of control the welfare state is, a UBI would simply aggravate the problem, to say nothing of how costly it would be to throw in housing, food, and healthcare. If I were in charge of this entire operation I would create an extremely selective application process so that only those who can’t provide these things for themselves would have access to this. In this hypothetical scenario all applicants would need to have some sort of debilitating disease, injury, or ailment to revive the minimum amount of benefits
As long as shitty jobs such as garbage collector, toilet cleaner, sewer maintenance worker etc. are necessary, my answer will be no. For now I'm a wageslave and I want to keep as much of my paycheck as possible. Still, I'd much rather give my tax money to incel NEETs and hikkis than single moms
I just want a piece of land tbh, but alas the world is sold already. every grain of sand has a name on it.
if you're not born into wealth you're destined to be a modern slave.
supply and demand has never worked and will never work, because people are f o r c e d to work.
only when working is voluntary and people have the freedom to reject shitty underpaid work the wages will rise.
with the current system you have people undercutting each other and lowering the wages for everyone because they don't have a choice.
if you're not born into wealth you're destined to be a modern slave.
supply and demand has never worked and will never work, because people are f o r c e d to work.
only when working is voluntary and people have the freedom to reject shitty underpaid work the wages will rise.
with the current system you have people undercutting each other and lowering the wages for everyone because they don't have a choice.
Yes. NEETbux for everyone.
I believe in UBI.
I think people should work some unless they’re mentally fucked. Like around 20-30 hours a week and have a good living salary off that. 40 hours a week is slavery
at least under an ideal state, but under our current evil genocidal regimes it's better to leech of the system as a means of draining (((their))) resources so the collapse can arrive sooner
Be mentally ill, get small penis , be unattractive, etc.
The government really doesnt have a hard time awarding people welfare. Its just keystrokes on a computer. Only a UBI would collapse the system imo. Not that that makes a UBI good necessarily
tbh. I can’t wait for the Zionist empire to collapse.
It will not help you at all. Unless it's suicidal revenge.
Well, at least you aren't contributing in any real way by living as a parasite. It's also bad for the economy and drive up inflation provided enough people pursue this path of noncontribution/passive resistance
As long as we are persecuted, there is no reason for us to contribute to the system
While my thread is basically about UBI, I agree with you it is economically infeasible if it includes all life necessities, but only because of hyper-inflation. The paying for it part is easy.
Which is why I recommend direct home transfer and vouchers instead of direct money transfer.
Also a universal basic resource provisioning (instead of income), I dont think would collapse peoples desire to work, as people would still want the money to go to movies, visit friends etc...
don't think for a second the Jews will go out without a bang. They control a substantial portion of the world's nuclear arsenal and, once it dawns on them that their time is up, wont hesitate to unleash it unto the world. The only rational decision is to nuke them to oblivion before they nuke us.
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Wageslaving for the (((economy))) yeah sure, support the system that keeps you down 
Working hard is good for getting escorts, and betabuxxing. I don't want that so yeah I'm all for UBI, just let me rot in peace.
Working hard is good for getting escorts, and betabuxxing. I don't want that so yeah I'm all for UBI, just let me rot in peace.
in an ideal society everyone would be forced to work for a fascist state, in this situation welfare would be outlawed
however in the current society it is better not to contribute to a sinking ship, especially when the occupants of that ship want to drown you
it is better to strain the western economy as much as possible by not contributing and by getting welfare to quicken the collapse of the Jewish run west, so it can be replaced with a true fascist nation
however in the current society it is better not to contribute to a sinking ship, especially when the occupants of that ship want to drown you
it is better to strain the western economy as much as possible by not contributing and by getting welfare to quicken the collapse of the Jewish run west, so it can be replaced with a true fascist nation
Fundamentalist Mormons who abuse the welfare system call this "bleeding the beast."
Speaking of ideal states, they have one: arranged marriages with JBs who birth many children.
Idk bro, seems dysgenic
I prefer a meritocratic system of breeding wherein those most able and intelligent get rewarded with foids, whereas the undesirables are left out, even if I happen to belong to the latter category myself
would be fairer in a way
Work should be a choice.
Basically give everyone a universal basic income and if they choose to work they get extra money
Basically give everyone a universal basic income and if they choose to work they get extra money
A large UBI would destroy the state probably (as well as UBI recipients), but garden variety welfare in general does not really drain much from the economy. In general it helps the economy by acting as a buffer stock of unemployed people, and keeps people from over-utilizing emergency services.
depends how much you spend of the welfare money, if you grow your own food, never buy anything and if everyone on incels did this it would be slightly draining, but UBI is more effective
Also fascists in general were large proponents of the welfare state, including for unemployed people. The Nazi social welfare provisions included old age insurance, rent supplements, unemployment and disability benefits, old-age homes and interest-free loans for married couples, along with healthcare insurance
basically stuff the modern right calls insane or draining
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Having a foid is a prerequisite to a man's potential. You will not even know what a man is capable of unless his sexuality is appeased. You need to give him reason to work hard, and the biggest reason is a virgin, JB bride. Every man is entitled to one in his lifetime; it is a human right.
Your "meritocratic" system is what we have already under the bourgeoisie sexual marketplace: "desirable" Chads slay, while "undesirable" normies/incels rot (except for those that are "meritorious" enough in their wageslavery to betabux, that is).
Everyone wants free shit, but it doesn't seem right giving people free shit for literally nothing in return. I am for free college and free healthcare because that promotes skilled labor and spending (people will spend more money if they dont think they will have to blow a few thousand on emergency hospital bills), but giving people money simply for existing? Nah, fuck that shit, fam. Mad at women who get money for simply having a baby? Give free money to everyone and these same mothers will force their kids to give their money to her until they get a "real job."
Also what about inflation? Prices of everything will skyrocket if you just give people free money for not doing shit. The kids who think they can simply just rent an apartment to avoid paying their mothers rent will find that it impossible to find a cheap apartment because of all the normgroids who are willing to work and spend their paycheck + neetbux on housing. A lot of normies are absolutely terrible with their money and giving them more wont fix the problem.
Also what about inflation? Prices of everything will skyrocket if you just give people free money for not doing shit. The kids who think they can simply just rent an apartment to avoid paying their mothers rent will find that it impossible to find a cheap apartment because of all the normgroids who are willing to work and spend their paycheck + neetbux on housing. A lot of normies are absolutely terrible with their money and giving them more wont fix the problem.
If you're incel you should be able to. If you're a normalfag who just wants to be lazy you can go die in the streets
Yes
You should be able to NEET
Without layng on the street
You should be able to NEET
Without layng on the street
well no, there's a fundamental difference in the two systems. The main, if not only criteria, for reproduction today is appearance, which, admittedly is an indicator of function, albeit a poor one. This means that a lot of people that shouldn't be reproducing ARE, and that a lot of people that should be reproducing AREN'T. My system proposes to look at function itself through various indicators, for example intelligence, competence, diligence, etc. It's not like we don't have the technology. By doing this we eliminate those that shouldn't be reproducing from the genepool, and also promote those that should.
What you're proposing would spiral us back into the stone age
You are advocating for Sexual Fascism, which is just as oppressive as the capitalist, sexual marketplace we live under. The fact that a scientifically objective Death Panel would decide whose lineages live and die instead of prejudiced foids is a distinction without a difference.
Actually, it would end up being far worse because the fascist overlords would go from merely castrating "undesirables" to killing them outright, in order to "spare their suffering" - the suffering of incels.
Under Sexual Socialism, incel suffering would be alleviated through the equal distribution of virgin holes, not mass-murder. It is a humane system, not one which prioritizes the primal sexual desires of foids nor encourages incels to sacrifice themselves on the alter of eugenics (which can be considered necro-cuckoldry).
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no one's said anything about killing anyone. Also, applying true meritocracy to the sexual market place, or sexual fascism as you call it, is infinitely superior to allowing irrational holes decide upon who gets to reproduce and who doesn't. Should go without saying
The issue isn't the existence of inceldom itself, the issue is that some people that should be reproducing aren't able to, or must accept unreasonable conditions in order to MAYBE have the chance of reproducing under today's sexual market place whose absolute most valuable currency is in the form of looks
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