That's crazy.
Adultery is wrong? Others would argue, that polygyny without boundaries (not married) is "normal male sexuality" and to say otherwise is cucked,moralfagging and should be banned.
I don't want to talk about the degree of punishment, but they are not without guilt. Consumers provide for demand and production indirectly. Approval of evil things is evil too.
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Simply approving of shit isn’t evil
So, you see someone killing a child. You say: "I would not do that, but like watching it, it is good." That is evil too.
The same with liberal homosexuality enablers. They are guilty of approving and promoting it, even if they are "straight" themselves.
The same with liberal homosexuality enablers. They are guilty of approving and promoting it, even if they are "straight" themselves.
I will never stop finding young foids attractive.
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tHe yOuNgEsT i aM aTtRaCtEd tO iS sTrIcTLy 21You'll never know fbicel
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According to IT, even 17 is too young for you despite only 3 year age difference
RIP moralfags
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I honestly think alot of the moral fagging is from larpers trying to bait our lower IQ members into saying something stupid.
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What if moralfags start taking over?
Nah I dont think so tbh
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Can’t stand moralfags they act like IT
Numbers are always arbitrary in that context like I already said multiple times. Why 14 and not 13 or 15?
Yes, it is natural to be promiscuous in the biological sense, but as a Christian, I believe adultery is wrong and I also see the fruits of adultery which are terrible. STDs, single motherhood which is terrible for children, etc.
Yes, it is immoral to enjoy such things, I agree. But we shouldn't criminalize all immoral acts. Laughing at someone who tells you they lost their mother in a horrible accident is immoral, should it be a crime?
If you're not paying anything for it, you're not providing demand. Giving attention to something shouldn't be a crime. Should people who download videos of people getting punched in the face for free from the internet be jailed? Physical assault is a crime just like statutory rape is.
I agree, but that shouldn't be a crime. If all immoral things were crimes everyone would belong in jail, so it doesn't make sense.
That's the thing, i've seen some users not post a single blackpill. Pretty sure they are IT and cucks looking for a reaction.
Even if we assume that child porn watchers shouldn't be jailed. You cannot possibly think that their behaviour is in the right and intervention from family and/or community and/or state institutions, who are trained to deal with this stuff is not warranted.
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I think jailing those who view cp is just a pedo hysteria thing
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That is not moralfagging. Moralfagging would be “finding anyone under 18 even if they’re 17 attractive is pedohpilia “
I already said many times that I don't think it's something right. Morally, it's wrong, how many times do I have to repeat it?
But like I also explained, it shouldn't be a crime and I also don't agree with the notion that people who didn't harm anyone should be preemptively jailed because people assume they'll commit crimes because of the things they like looking at on the internet. This can be twisted in so many ways to institute tyranny, "let's preemptively jail people who enjoy FPS games and like reading about guns, they might kill someone!" "Let's preemptively jail incels because they're misogynists and might attack women!" And so on.
And if you apply that logic selectively to CP, you're being a double standards hypocrite. You're either for tyranny or for hypocrisy if you think people who just look at things downloaded for free from the internet should be jailed.
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I am not talking about jailing them as a pre-emptive action to prevent crime. I am talking about action(legal or not) to deal with their child porn watching habits and their pedophilic nature.
That's why I don't like the term "moralfag". Being someone who is truly for morals is something good. What isn't good is being an agecuck (hurr adult men who like 17 yos need to be jailed!), a tyrant (everyone who downloads media containing crimes for free from the internet should be jailed!) or a hypocrite (people who download media containing crimes for free from internet should not be jailed, but those who do it with CP, which is exactly the same thing, should).
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I don't care if someone is moralfagging or not, everyone has the right to express their opinions and beliefs. Freedom of speech above all else, otherwise we aren't better than the fascists controlling the media.
It might not be jailing them, but it's an unjust forceful state intervention in their lives because of something that didn't harm or cause damage to anyone (watching media downloaded for free from the internet).
That sounds like China to me, "oh don't worry, we're not jailing your for talking against the CCP, we'll just take you to our reeducation camp!" No, everybody is criminally innocent until they actually commit a crime. It doesn't matter if the person likes looking at gore, CP, animal cruelty, satanic rituals or whatever.
Not everything that a state does is tyranny. If you truly believe that child porn consumption is morally wrong (even if we IGNORE the plethora of arguments and proofs of how cp watchers actually are dangerous and how they do incentivize the industry). You can't possibly believe that such a pedo should just be left like that.
The thing is, y'all don't sound like all you want is cp possession to not be a criminal offence. What it sounds like is you want cp watchers to be completely left alone and enjoy as much cp as they can. You don't support jail. Fine. You don't support intervention. Dandy. Its not about whether what cp watcher is doing is immoral. Its about whether he needs outside help(consensual or forced) with his clearly destructive behaviour. And according to me he does.
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Or when people say that cp viewers should be executed
I didn't ignore them, I proved them wrong. There's no industry if people don't give money to it, therefore, if you get it without paying for it, you're not helping any industry. And giving attention to things shouls not be a crime. You never answered my question:
According to your logic, such people should be jailed (or suffer some other kind of forceful intervention, whatever it is). And if you don't apply your logic consistently to everything, you're a hypocrite.
If all such person, being a pedo or not, did, was download CP for free from the internet, yes, they should be left alone because that shouldn't be a crime.
Look, if he harms a child, pays for or profits from CP, produces CP, etc, then he deserves to suffer intervention because then he's harming a child or financing people who do it. As long as he doesn't do those things, he doesn't. If he wants help, he can look for it voluntarily. It's not that hard.
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What would intervention be?
Ask @Caesercel
I guess the government forcibly taking the person who downloaded CP to a reeducation camp to brainwash them into not thinking children are attractive anymore or whatever. If this is even possible in case they're a pedo.
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Studies have found that you can’t change a persons chronophilia
I have already told you that in detail. The right procedure of course will be decided by people who have actually researched the subject. Its not up my ally.
I think your guess is wrong because I don't think any such brainwashing techniques exist yet. But yeah, repression of sexual desires is not something new to humanity. But we don't even need that we just need rhe subject to stop watching cp.
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The thought of Athiests and secularists having a set of morals is ridiculous. Particularly when it comes to the age of consent, they simply go along with what the law at the time is. If the Government all of a sudden decided age of consent was 14 these godless fags in about 10 years would be preaching how having sex with a 14 year old is fine.
But why should we force someone to stop watching it through a forceful government intervention (again, as long as it was downloaded for free) because it's something immoral, and we shouldn't do the same with people who download and watch other criminal and immoral things? I really don't get it.
Explain to me why a person who likes to download gore and torture videos, or videos of people getting beaten up, or any other media containing footage of innocent people suffering any kind of unconsented violence, should not suffer the same type of intervention.
Because those are different things. The situations and implications of both actions are different. Your failure to recognize that does not change that fact. All it takes is some common sense . Unless someone is trying to make excuses for certain behaviours in which case all common sense goes out the window.
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A person who watches cp often won’t molest kids
You cannot be sure of that.
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Studies I read show many cp viewers aren’t chomos and many chomos don’t view cp. studies also show that viewing cp decreases child sex abuse
How are they different? They are crimes being done to innocent people filmed (or photographed, whatever) and then people downloaded it for free and watched it. Seriously, what is the fucking difference?
Even if you argue that rape is worse than torture and murder Edit: sorry I got that backwards before (they aren't), it's still only a quantitative difference, not a qualitative one. "Such crime is more severe than such other crime, therefore the person who downloaded gore for free must be reeducated for 3 months, and the one who downloaded CP must be reeducated for 4 months". If you said that, I'd still oppose you because I don't agree with that kind of preemptive forceful intervention by the government, but at least you'd be consistent. A tyrant I'd say, but consistent.
But you say the person who downloaded CP must be forcefully taken by the state to be reeducated and the one who downloaded gore doesn't. It makes no sense at all and you have failed multiple times to explain why they're different.
You can't just say "it's common sense", that's not an argument.
And how can you be sure that someone who watches gore won't try to torture and/or murder someone someday?
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It will be judged at the last day, so it is indeed punishable - but I agree, not in these times.
I disagree, that demand is only is created by paying and buying such stuff. It is a confirmation for these men/women, who create such material: There are people who want to see that. And I am one of the very few people, who can and will deliver. I am important. I fill their needs. I am needed, that these poor fellow pedos can fulfill their sexual needs and are not completely oppressed by cruel pedo-hunters and non-understanding society.
And I think a big part of the cause is really emotional, why watching this is forbidden and watching someone punching in the face not. I'm not thinking about contemporary pedo-, aoc- and grooming-hysteria and virtue-signaling BS on the back of a demonized group (all MAPs), but the fact, that sexual sin is already every time a shocking one, when it happened between adults and when it is then violently (both psychological against their will and desires and physical against their bodies) against the most innocent ones of the society and damage their soul, it is extra gross. Many people have their own children and imagine their own children in this case, which stirs the anger extra up. So the hatred is so enormous, that it reflects so heavily on audiovisual consumers that criminal prosecution is desired. Additionally, pedophiles are stereotypically "creeps"=ugly men, which make it even easier to hunt them.
And: Capacities for crime investigation are limited so the worst things are in focus.
Besides that, videos of punching people in the face, even, when there is a demand for, are enough videos out there, which were created coincidentally, not on purpose or even to satisfy someone's lust.
Everything in this world is compromised and the wish for righteousness can only be partially be fulfilled. I cannot perfectly explain, why watching gore and violence watching is not forbidden, but CP is forbidden, though I tried it and I can understand.
That might be the case, be it for CP or gore or people being punched videos, but I hold my position that simply giving attention to things should never be a crime.
I agree with most of the things you wrote there. You understand it a lot better than @Caesercel tbh. People just hate pedophiles with all their guts because of several reasons, most of which are emotional and not logical in the case of media being simply watched for free, so they lash on them whenever they can, even though, LOGICALLY SPEAKING, there's no reason why simple possession of CP should be a crime and of gore should not, as both are logically the same thing (media depicting crimes).
When most people think of CP, they get overly emotional and can't think logically anymore.
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I and some others have already stated these points before in previous threads. But its no use. They are like a broken record. They just want it to enable child porn watching pedophiles to endulge in their pedophilic activities as much as they want without any repercurssions whatsoever. Its all a giant excuse. Logic won't get through them.
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To further illustrate the emotional impact of the cruelties, here is a recent article in a German daily newspaper about the investigation of found child pornography. So the reaction of the public to such things is not exaggerated IMO.
I don't know if you can read German, @Mainländer, your username suggest it, but I give a
autotranslation from selected parts thereby:
www.zeit.de
I doubt that because there is a correlation between sex offenders and porn consumption.
www.researchgate.net
I don't know if you can read German, @Mainländer, your username suggest it, but I give a
autotranslation from selected parts thereby:
Kindesmissbrauch: "Der Perversion sind keine Grenzen gesetzt"
40 Zivilpersonen werten im Düsseldorfer Landeskriminalamt Bilder und Videos von sexuellem Missbrauch an Kindern aus. Sie halten die Bilder aus, um die Opfer zu befreien.
www.zeit.de
I doubt that because there is a correlation between sex offenders and porn consumption.
(PDF) The role of pornography in sexual offenses: Information for law enforcement & forensic psychologists
PDF | Many police investigators do not fully understand the role that pornography plays in violence. We have come to understand how sex offenders use... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
www.researchgate.net
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Actually I’ve read studies showing porn deters rape. Also those who watch adult porn might be influenced differently than those watch cp. cp viewers are different ppl than adult porn viewersTo further illustrate the emotional impact of the cruelties, here is a recent article in a German daily newspaper about the investigation of found child pornography. So the reaction of the public to such things is not exaggerated IMO.
I don't know if you can read German, @Mainländer, your username suggest it, but I give a
autotranslation from selected parts thereby:
Kindesmissbrauch: "Der Perversion sind keine Grenzen gesetzt"
40 Zivilpersonen werten im Düsseldorfer Landeskriminalamt Bilder und Videos von sexuellem Missbrauch an Kindern aus. Sie halten die Bilder aus, um die Opfer zu befreien.
I doubt that because there is a correlation between sex offenders and porn consumption.
(PDF) The role of pornography in sexual offenses: Information for law enforcement & forensic psychologists
PDF | Many police investigators do not fully understand the role that pornography plays in violence. We have come to understand how sex offenders use... | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate
you are right about that but ı always had morals for different things not age stuff,like doıng the right thing shit,maybe its lame and dumb but ı have it
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Pedo panickers shouldn’t be on here
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