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Saying that death is non-existence is an irrational cope

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The most popular atheistic view is that death is non-existence, not a black nothingness but rather dreamless sleep. It’s one of the most irrational copes science has ever created. My arguments against:

1. Every organism values life and survival as its only goal:

If non-existence after death was painless, conscious-less state, why would any organism want to survive and reproduce? Nothingness is objectively better than existence, and while we can explain that human may want to survive for some higher purpose (to teach his children, to find love, to earn money), by Ockham razor we have to strip these illusions, and so, look at the simplest organism possible which is a bacterium, we know that bacterium actively runs towards nutrients and away from toxins, if life was meaningless and death was neutral it wouldn’t be the case, every being knows that death is actively evil, that it needs to be actively avoided.

2. Death as punishment.

Capital punishment is not merely about isolation from society ( banishment), across all cultures death is seen as something actively evil and harmful, if death was mere non-existence then murder and capital punishment wouldn’t be seen as unethical, as what’s unethical in putting someone in state they couldn’t even perceive?

3. Before birth.

Favorite comparison used by atheists is that death is same feeling as before birth, but actually the fact we are born proves that consciousness can appear in organized matter on itself out of non-existence therefore it’s irrational to state with full certainty that “dreamless sleep” would be eternal, our birth proves it doesn’t have to. Similarly in case of dual-brain surgery (severing connection between brain hemispheres), totally new consciousness appears in right hemisphere, not as blank slate but as fully formed separate entity, it proves consciousness doesn’t reside in any particular area of the brain and that unused brain area can be occupied by completely new consciousness (like virtual machine)
 
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Favorite comparison used by atheists is that death is same feeling as before birth,
I hate when they say this stupid shit. And can bet your ass they'll make sure to quote Mark Twain just to sound "le deep" while doing it.
 
I hate when they say this stupid shit. And can bet your ass they'll make sure to quote Mark Twain just to sound "le deep" while doing it.
I googled the quote, they probably do use it but I disagree with Twain on this one
 
Death is seen as evil and harmful because it is Fitrah to know this :feelsLSD:
 
why would any organism want to survive and reproduce?
Why wouldn't they ?
Nothingness is objectively better than existence
That's not objective but subjective
by Ockham razor we have to strip these illusions, and so, look at the simplest organism possible which is a bacterium, we know that bacterium actively runs towards nutrients and away from toxins, if life was meaningless and death was neutral it wouldn’t be the case
Living beings are programmed to seek survival, regardless if it's "rational" or not.

Capital punishment is not merely about isolation from society
Yes it's also about not wasting ressources on keep prisoners alive for decades.
if death was mere non-existence then murder and capital punishment wouldn’t be seen as unethical
Murder is seen as unethical because the victim did not chose to be put in the state of non-existence, and capital punishment is not universally seen as unethical, and many countries still practice it (rightfully so, imo).
And the main argument of those against it is that the justice system can (and does) make mistakes

Favorite comparison used by atheists is that death is same feeling as before birth, but actually the fact we are born proves that consciousness can appear in organized matter on itself out of non-existence therefore it’s irrational to state with full certainty that “dreamless sleep” would be eternal, our birth proves it doesn’t have to. Similarly in case of dual-brain surgery (severing connection between brain hemispheres), totally new consciousness appears in right hemisphere, not as blank slate but as fully formed separate entity, it proves consciousness doesn’t reside in any particular area of the brain and that unused brain area can be occupied by completely new consciousness (like virtual machine)
I don't really your point here ngl
 
Why wouldn't they ?

That's not objective but subjective

Living beings are programmed to seek survival, regardless if it's "rational" or not.


Yes it's also about not wasting ressources on keep prisoners alive for decades.

Murder is seen as unethical because the victim did not chose to be put in the state of non-existence, and capital punishment is not universally seen as unethical, and many countries still practice it (rightfully so, imo).
And the main argument of those against it is that the justice system can (and does) make mistakes


I don't really your point here ngl
I didn’t choose to wear clothes, I didn’t choose to speak language etc, we force people to many things they didn’t choose but these things are not seen as EVIL, death do be seen as evil by all cultures and all organisms, if death was good there would be no evil in forcing someone to the goodness of death, but because death is evil we see forcing someone to die as immoral
 
Pizza is good but I don't want to be forced fed pizza
Exactly that’s my point, if death was pizza all existence would pursue death
 
Exactly that’s my point, if death was pizza all existence would pursue death
You're the one here arguing that nothingness is good though.
Many people enjoy being alive, our experience as incels is not the norm.
Do you really think chads have been brainwashed into enjoying their lives ?
Or is it simply that their lives are good so they have no reason to pursue death ?
 
You're the one here arguing that nothingness is good though.
Many people enjoy being alive, our experience as incels is not the norm.
Do you really think chads have been brainwashed into enjoying their lives ?
Or is it simply that their lives are good so they have no reason to pursue death ?
My point is death is not nothingness because nothingness would be good
 
You're the one here arguing that nothingness is good though.
Many people enjoy being alive, our experience as incels is not the norm.
Do you really think chads have been brainwashed into enjoying their lives ?
Or is it simply that their lives are good so they have no reason to pursue death ?
I’m saying you are brainwashed into thinking death is nothingness because if death was nothing isn’t it better than any even the most happy life? So the fact organisms try to survive proves death is not nothingness
 
No. I would rather be chad than dead. What about you ?
Damn don’t be an idiot, I told you I WOULD also be Chad than dead and IT PROVES THAT DEATH IS NOT NON-EXISTENCE but something actively evil
 
Damn don’t be an idiot, I told you I WOULD also be Chad than dead and IT PROVES THAT DEATH IS NOT NON-EXISTENCE but something actively evil
You don't understand.
You must be brown.
I give up
 

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