Russia shamefully said no to the North Korean offer of 100,000 soldiers to help in Ukraine

[WizardofSoda]

The North Koreans have a 1,280,000 million man standing army which is 4th place, ahead of Russia with 1,020,000 in 5th place. The DPR and LPR have 125,000 soldiers in the war between them.

North Korea also has 25.8 million people. That is significant especially considering how rabidly militarized they are.

 

[kretschmer]

I wanted to see the UKroids get stomped

 

[Magistrattum]

Source?

 

[crestfallencel]

the gook army is underfed and equipped with aging hardware probably

 

[WizardofSoda]

North Korea was the 3rd country to recognize the DPR and LPR as independent countries. After Belarus and Syria. The DPR said they want to be allies and partners with North Korea.


The Belarus standing army is only 45,000 so they can use the excuse they need those guys on the borders with NATO. Belarus has 9.3 million people.

Syria has 20.7 million people and 169,000 standing army.. so they need all their army fighting in the Syrian war, where Russia and Iran and Lebanon are helping them.

 

[WizardofSoda]

the gook army is underfed and equipped with aging hardware probably

If I was Putin I would use them as light infantry with AK-47's, RPG's, grenade launchers and mortars. Also they can work on digging trenches, tunnels, building underground bunkers and concrete structures. Possibly sending their engineering brigades.

Holding fortified positions is valuable, even if they can hold out for awhile until Russian heavy units come to help them.

They can also be used to help storm cities and towns.

 

[ConservativeCel]

Russia coping is retarded. For comparison, wouldn't you agree the Western European "Far-right's" Israel coping a decade or so ago was retarded? https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-islam-far-right-idUSTRE6BJ37120101220

 

[Dregster]

The North Koreans have a 1,280,000 million man standing army which is 4th place, ahead of Russia with 1,020,000 in 5th place. The DPR and LPR have 125,000 soldiers in the war between them.

North Korea also has 25.8 million people. That is significant especially considering how rabidly militarized they are.

So why did they turn down this extra manpower?

 

[WizardofSoda]

Another factor is possible Russian allies might get courage to help if they see other countries joining the fight with serious amounts of soldiers.

Say you see in the fight..

-200,000 Russian soldiers
-125,000 DPR and LPR soldiers
-100,000 North Korean soldiers

vs.

-Ukraine Army 200,000 soldiers.


It also makes it seem hopeless to the Ukrainians. They know Russia and North Korea will just replace soldiers who get blown up.

 

[WizardofSoda]

So why did they turn down this extra manpower?

On earlier issues one theory is that Russia and NATO have non-public agreements on what is allowed. Eg.. The Polish and Romanian armies want to go into Ukraine to help Ukraine but haven't.

NATO might have lines its willing to see Russia advance up to if the Russian army is winning. Like the US imo doesn't mind if Russia gets the 4 SE provinces of Ukraine, which are pro-Russian to begin with.

 

[ConservativeCel]

which are pro-Russian to begin with.

Obsolete BS. In 2019, the "pro-Russian" Boyko won only in Donbass, and even there it was now plurality (as opposed to Yanukovich's near 90% share back in the day): i.e. all pro-Western and/or Ukrainian nationalist candidates taken together now won more votes than him.

After Putin's idiotic war, the number of pro-Russian inhabitants has probably dwindled to about 1%, because whate else could one expect from people whose relatives have been killed or maimed and houses blown up? Was there a single village let alone town where locals would have greeted Russians when they invaded?

 

[pixy.]

unironically that was probably for the better. The North Koreans are still using 50s era tech, are poorly trained, have very little understanding of modern military doctrine, and probably have a incompetent officer corps since none of them have seen any real combat outside of hunting down defectors. They'd just be a strain on the supply lines unless they were just kept as a rear guard that could free up some of the soldiers on the backlines..

 

[Transcended Trucel]

So why did they turn down this extra manpower?

cause Russians arrogant and low IQ. And have too much pride. They don't have enough humility to accept their miscalculation and take help.

 

[JayGoptri]

The North Koreans have a 1,280,000 million man standing army which is 4th place, ahead of Russia with 1,020,000 in 5th place. The DPR and LPR have 125,000 soldiers in the war between them.

North Korea also has 25.8 million people. That is significant especially considering how rabidly militarized they are.

This whole thing is either getting far too complicated or its getting simpler. I have yet to figure out which

 

[Caesercel]

The North Koreans have a 1,280,000 million man

What the fuck?

 

[Ehwhatever]

I'm not an expert but I'd bet it has a bit to due with logistics. That's probably the main reason why russia is keeping the troop numbers low since they're having a hard enough time supplying it's forces fully and are taking it slow. They haven't transitioned to a full blown war economy yet so feeding and resupplying them isn't worth it. I could be totally wrong but that's my speculation.

 

[verzetn]

norht koreans would mass defect.

the eoconmic condition in ukraine is heaven on earth for them.

if there r 100k troops of NK in ukraine, the russians should worry the gooks' gun wold turned on them instead. the russians would find it hard to control.

even if split into 20k in seperate theathers, its still dangerous to control them. those NK gooks are inhumane. and highly likely to disobey and run to europe at first chance. mass surrender etc.

 

[WizardofSoda]

unironically that was probably for the better. The North Koreans are still using 50s era tech, are poorly trained, have very little understanding of modern military doctrine, and probably have a incompetent officer corps since none of them have seen any real combat outside of hunting down defectors. They'd just be a strain on the supply lines unless they were just kept as a rear guard that could free up some of the soldiers on the backlines..

Good points. Still the only way to get them practice is by fighting in actual war.

Guerilla armies manage to learn by combat. And thing is the Koreans are extremely smart.

 

[Lonely]

If I was Putin I would use them as light infantry with AK-47's, RPG's, grenade launchers and mortars. Also they can work on digging trenches, tunnels, building underground bunkers and concrete structures. Possibly sending their engineering brigades.

Holding fortified positions is valuable, even if they can hold out for awhile until Russian heavy units come to help them.

They can also be used to help storm cities and towns.

Retard this isn't HOI4

 

[WizardofSoda]

Obsolete BS. In 2019, the "pro-Russian" Boyko won only in Donbass, and even there it was now plurality (as opposed to Yanukovich's near 90% share back in the day): i.e. all pro-Western and/or Ukrainian nationalist candidates taken together now won more votes than him.

After Putin's idiotic war, the number of pro-Russian inhabitants has probably dwindled to about 1%, because whate else could one expect from people whose relatives have been killed or maimed and houses blown up? Was there a single village let alone town where locals would have greeted Russians when they invaded?

Thanks for the info.

If you look at the original Russian invasion they faced little resistance in Kherson province, the land bridge area in Zaporizhia province and Northern Luhansk province. In Donetsk province the jury to me was out because there was a huge Ukrainian army presence dug in in Northern Donetsk province.

Meanwhile beyond that line its clear the Russian army faces heavy duty resistance from the populations.

A huge political issue you mention is one reason to join a big nation is then you at least have peace hopefully. Eg.. in the Cold War if you were the Soviet Union's ally in Europe, there were no attacks from other countries, or civil wars. As the Soviet army could easily crush civil wars, and no one was going to try attacking where the Soviet army would defend.

But for the people where Russia controls they are seeing increased war since Russia took over. And then the plan of blowing up entire cities to liberate them.

 

[mlcurrycel]

Nobody is using the blackpill. Don't be a free agent in life, let the blackpill guide you. The entire world is racist against North Koreans. The PR backlash from allowing scary meanie Asian men to take over villages with muh scared innocent blonde white foids would turn the entire world against Russia. North Koreans would be treated like Uruk-Hai from Lord of the Rings.

 

[mlcurrycel]

I'm one of the most pro North Korea people alive outside of Korea, the ml in my username stands for Marxist-Leninist. I'm just keeping things a hundred.

 

[ConservativeCel]

Eg.. in the Cold War if you were the Soviet Union's ally in Europe, there were no attacks from other countries, or civil wars. As the Soviet army could easily crush civil wars, and no one was going to try attacking where the Soviet army would defend.

No-one wanted to belong to the pro-Soviet bloc in the first place.
"and no one was going to try attacking where the Soviet army would defend." - >90% of the Polish population would have welcomed a US army invasion with salt and bread any time during the Cold War. No-one wanted the Soviet Army to "defend" them. They wanted to get rid of such "defenders".

Now, current Russia is not a communist hellhole any more but this doesn't change the fact that only a minority of the Donbass population wished to secede from Ukraine in 2014/2015; and by 2022, any active support for this in the Ukraine-controlled parts (most of Donbass, as the map shows) must have been minimal. The so-called pro-Russian political parties in Eastern/Southern Ukraine did not advocate secession, they were merely critical of an open West-allegiance.

 

[nystagmuscel]

I wanted to see the UKroids get stomped