Russia missed oppotunity

[IncelCream]

Honesty has missed perfect oppotunity to get much bigger and stronger

Instead of going to war I would off

Fixed corruption and increased efficiently
Used oil money exclusively on afforable housing for families to encourage birth rate
Better tax system
Funded better industries like Car manufactoring, arms and food
Let China and US fight each other while Russia sits back
Focused on spying and networks
Brought back USSR

 

[Twinkcel]

How are you planing on bringing back the USSR without a war ?

 

[IncelCream]

I mean Russia could of sold oil at $100 per barrel
With Russia current wages they would get $60 per barrel in profit
They sold 1.5billion barrels of oil per year in 2019
They would have profit 93 billion
Spend all that on homes = 1 million homes per year ($100k homes)
or 1.5 million apartments

 

[IncelCream]

How are you planing on bringing back the USSR without a war ?

They could off but they are wasting so much

 

[IncelCream]

How are you planing on bringing back the USSR without a war ?

Just russia, maybe get rid of ethnic people at same time in russia

 

[Kamikaze]

All of it is impossible since putin and his friends originate in a st.petersburg criminal organization.

 

[NihilisticSoul]

Putin and his mafia state would never have allowed any of this to happen.

 

[IncelCream]

All of it is impossible since putin and his friends originate in a st.petersburg criminal organization.

Yeah I think if Russia was actually giving afforable housing and decent living standard, then a lot of westerns would of support it, maybe not in war tho

 

[The Cagot]

I mean Russia could of sold oil at $100 per barrel
With Russia current wages they would get $60 per barrel in profit
They sold 1.5billion barrels of oil per year in 2019
They would have profit 93 billion
Spend all that on homes = 1 million homes per year ($100k homes)
or 1.5 million apartments

An economy only based on oil is always very weak to market changes. It can't be a strong economy. If Saudi Arabia decides to divide its oil price by 2, your own country collapses.

Russia should have used oil money to diversify its economy, and to get rid of its massive corruption and centralized powers.
They decided to engage in a futile war instead. They need no territory, their territory is already gigantic, and their population too.

Russia won't disappear, but they'll probably struggle economically for several other centuries, while other countries like China, the US and Europe do massive progress.

In geopolitics, one can't stay without acting. Because everybody else will become stronger sooner or later if you do. The US know that, which is why US don't allow anyone to develop technologies better than them. Plus the US cut any competitor economy if necessary. Many think the US are falling or else, but the US are by far the strongest country in the world, and nothing will change that in our lifetimes.

It's not an apology of the US. It's a fact. But there are also MANY competitors now, and it's hard for the US to manage and manipulate all of them at once.

 

[Kamikaze]

The west was already supporting it. Supporting due to cheap carbohydrates deals and Russia was putting corrupt European politicians on its payroll(see Schroeder for example).


Corruption and leaning towards authoritarian regimes is part of the Russian mentality at this point. Especially for the boomers which haven't expired yet. That's what you get for a whole century of negative selection.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Honesty has missed perfect oppotunity to get much bigger and stronger

Instead of going to war I would off

Fixed corruption and increased efficiently
Used oil money exclusively on afforable housing for families to encourage birth rate
Better tax system
Funded better industries like Car manufactoring, arms and food
Let China and US fight each other while Russia sits back
Focused on spying and networks
Brought back USSR

Sorry bro, they’re too busy making the oligarchs rich.

 

[IncelCream]

An economy only based on oil is always very weak to market changes. It can't be a strong economy. If Saudi Arabia decides to divide its oil price by 2, your own country collapses.

Russia should have used oil money to diversify its economy, and to get rid of its massive corruption and centralized powers.
They decided to engage in a futile war instead. They need no territory, their territory is already gigantic, and their population too.

Russia won't disappear, but they'll probably struggle economically for several other centuries, while other countries like China, the US and Europe do massive progress.

In geopolitics, one can't stay without acting. Because everybody else will become stronger sooner or later if you do. The US know that, which is why US don't allow anyone to develop technologies better than them. Plus the US cut any competitor economy if necessary. Many think the US are falling or else, but the US are by far the strongest country in the world, and nothing will change that in our lifetimes.

It's not an apology of the US. It's a fact. But there are also MANY competitors now, and it's hard for the US to manage and manipulate all of them at once.

True, but I mean Without Russia oil Saudi wouldn't be enough, thats why they still buy russia oil through india

 

[The Cagot]

Sorry bro, they’re too busy making the oligarchs rich.

That's right, those fucking oligarchs are the worst thing ever for the russian people.
But they're insanely rich and powerful. Rioting against those oligarchs is futile. They will let Russia sink in the deepest economical hole as long as they make a ton of cash themselves.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

That's right, those fucking oligarchs are the worst thing ever for the russian people.
But they're insanely rich and powerful. Rioting against those oligarchs is futile. They will let Russia sink in the deepest economical hole as long as they make a ton of cash themselves.

Sounds similar to politicians in America tbf

 

[IncelCream]

Sounds similar to politicians in America tbf

Europe & china too

 

[buried_alive]

Corrupt politicians won't fix corruption. That's like Corruption 101. Just like the any state won't reduce any spending since they can just increase taxes.

But I agree, if they chose to improve their country it would be better for everyone (the politicians included). However they don't. They fuck the people over and get rich the bad way while the country becomes a shithole.

 

[The Cagot]

Sounds similar to politicians in America tbf

Yeah it's unfortunately becoming like this here in Europe too. Rich get insanely richer, and poor become poorest.
Which is why the richest French has 237 billion dollars, while 10 million French are extremely poor. Just the homeless population has gone from 144.000 in 2019 to 330.000 in 2023.
We also see the come back of shanty towns in France, which we had almost completely eradicated.

 

[IncelCream]

Yeah it's unfortunately becoming like this here in Europe too. Rich get insanely richer, and poor become poorest.
Which is why the richest French has 237 billion dollars, while 10 million French are extremely poor. Just the homeless population has gone from 144.000 in 2019 to 330.000 in 2023.
We also see the come back of shanty towns in France, which we had almost completely eradicated.

I am no socialist but sometimes we need a mixture, I don't mind rich being as long as poor is a middle class

More people out of poverty means less crime

Housing costs are like 50% of reason poor people exist

 

[The Cagot]

I am no socialist but sometimes we need a mixture, I don't mind rich being as long as poor is a middle class

More people out of poverty means less crime

Housing costs are like 50% of reason poor people exist

Not socialist too, but in the 60's the richest US CEO was "only" 20 times richer than the poorest employee of his company.
Nowadays it has gone from 20 times to 3420 times.
Companies have engaged to a competition where the human value of their CEO is only given by the CEO's paycheck. And it's not only suicidal, but also anti-capitalistic, as people are no longer able to reach very high income whatever they do. 80% of the richest people were already rich at birth.
Capping the max income of the richest guy in a company to 20 times the income of the poorest employee is the only thing to stop this crazy economical status.
Between the 1900's and 1960's, the CEOs were not paid such astronomical amounts of money, and capitalism was very well functionning. The individual CEO performance was not measured by their wage, but by their companies growth.

 

[Asgard]

Putin and his mafia state would never have allowed any of this to happen.

He's a cuck. Kadyrov should replace the old fart.

 

[Quintus Maximus]

Honesty has missed perfect oppotunity to get much bigger and stronger

Instead of going to war I would off

Fixed corruption and increased efficiently
Used oil money exclusively on afforable housing for families to encourage birth rate
Better tax system
Funded better industries like Car manufactoring, arms and food
Let China and US fight each other while Russia sits back
Focused on spying and networks
Brought back USSR

I would also add improving Diplomatic ties with other Slavic countries through trade and promise of peace. Create a Slav Union and stop others from sexpatting in Slavic countries lmao.

 

[ADHD_cel]

They shouldn’t have allowed Ukraine and Belarus to become independent in 1991, kek

 

[Praise the Sun]

Neither the Western nor the Russian Jewish Elite want anything good to happen for their Goy-population. They would rather kill us all in war or let us rot in poverty than uplift us and better our countries. That's why politicians only ever talk about bettering the economy, which basically means making the rich bosses even richer.

 

[NihilisticSoul]

He's a cuck. Kadyrov should replace the old fart.

Kadyrov is also corrupt or else Putin would not allow him to rule in Checenya.

 

[NorthernWind]

They do produce cars. Some of them are quite popular.

 

[NorthernWind]

I am no socialist but sometimes we need a mixture, I don't mind rich being as long as poor is a middle class

More people out of poverty means less crime

Housing costs are like 50% of reason poor people exist

Why are houses so expensive everywhere? Can these niggers who talk non-stop about progress, manufacture some cheap houses for €2000-3000?

 

[IncelCream]

They do produce cars. Some of them are quite popular.

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Not very good cars tho

 

[IncelCream]

Why are houses so expensive everywhere? Can these niggers who talk non-stop about progress, manufacture some cheap houses for €2000-3000?

Because the economy has shifted from factories to housing
without housing the economy would be half of what it is

 

[CrackingYs]

Russia didn't have to do anything. Going to war was a huge mistake, and the Russians are real idiots for doing whatever Putin says.

Even though the USSR was larger, Russia is still geographically huge. They have so much land and resources, they could have just made all their mining and oil production more efficient, they already had nuclear energy. And most their people are white. They could have ethnically cleansed their country of all the shit DNA by chemically castrating non-whites. The remaining country would have been even more wealthy, and be the last place on earth where white people live.

Then all they needed to do, was wait 100 years or so, and let the jews and niggers tear every other country to pieces, and then Russia would be the last country standing. And climate change would roast everybody else, while Russia's northern areas warm up.

 

[IncelCream]

I would also add improving Diplomatic ties with other Slavic countries through trade and promise of peace. Create a Slav Union and stop others from sexpatting in Slavic countries lmao.

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[IncelCream]

Russia didn't have to do anything. Going to war was a huge mistake, and the Russians are real idiots for doing whatever Putin says.

Even though the USSR was larger, Russia is still geographically huge. They have so much land and resources, they could have just made all their mining and oil production more efficient, they already had nuclear energy. And most their people are white. They could have ethnically cleansed their country of all the shit DNA by chemically castrating non-whites. The remaining country would have been even more wealthy, and be the last place on earth where white people live.

Then all they needed to do, was wait 100 years or so, and let the jews and niggers tear every other country to pieces, and then Russia would be the last country standing. And climate change would roast everybody else, while Russia's northern areas warm up.

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[hypersexcel]

I support war. A lot of normies are killed and women are raped. Fuck all that other shit you're talking about. Also, why would the Russian government fix corruption when they're the ones perpetuating and benefiting from it? That's like saying the mafia should fight crime. Retardcel

 

[The Cagot]

Russia didn't have to do anything. Going to war was a huge mistake, and the Russians are real idiots for doing whatever Putin says.

Even though the USSR was larger, Russia is still geographically huge. They have so much land and resources, they could have just made all their mining and oil production more efficient, they already had nuclear energy. And most their people are white. They could have ethnically cleansed their country of all the shit DNA by chemically castrating non-whites. The remaining country would have been even more wealthy, and be the last place on earth where white people live.

Then all they needed to do, was wait 100 years or so, and let the jews and niggers tear every other country to pieces, and then Russia would be the last country standing. And climate change would roast everybody else, while Russia's northern areas warm up.

Exactly.

However do not forget that China wants to claim Syberia, and is actually invading Syberia with a massive forced migration of Chinese individuals to Syberia. Chinese foids sent to Syberia are sent to work for poor lonely russian farmers, and marry them, have mixed russian-chinese kids with them, plus the male chinese workers working in the russian fields and residing there.

On a long term, China plans to replace the whole white russian population by chinese citizen, then Syberian chinese will declare independence.

 

[IncelCream]

Exactly.

However do not forget that China wants to claim Syberia, and is actually invading Syberia with a massive forced migration of Chinese individuals to Syberia. Chinese foids sent to Syberia are sent to work for poor lonely russian farmers, and marry them, have mixed russian-chinese kids with them, plus the male chinese workers working in the russian fields and residing there.

On a long term, China plans to replace the whole white russian population by chinese citizen, then Syberian chinese will declare independence.

Oh yeah slavs women gonna have kids with minimum wage chinese workers

Russia has nukes
Russia can also switch sides to USA and leave Ukraine
Russia isn't gonna sacrafice Siberia for Ukraine
Russia would cut off oil and food which chinese needs

Russia who allied with USA would checkmate China not because they can beat china but rather china would be surrounded
It would mean china can't ever expand

Declare independence like taiwan? whats stopping russia giving Taiwan nukes?

 

[The Cagot]

Oh yeah slavs women gonna have kids with minimum wage chinese workers

Russia has nukes
Russia can also switch sides to USA and leave Ukraine
Russia isn't gonna sacrafice Siberia for Ukraine
Russia would cut off oil and food which chinese needs

Russia who allied with USA would checkmate China not because they can beat china but rather china would be surrounded
It would mean china can't ever expand

Declare independence like taiwan? whats stopping russia giving Taiwan nukes?

The problem here is that Russia has a short vision of geopolitics, while China has a long-term vision.
If Syberia declares independence, Russians will not be able to nuke their own territory.
China takes all its time to annex Syberia little by little. Even if it takes decades. Their communist party will not change soon, contrary to Western politics who alternate and need the population support.

As a matter of fact, it's true that Russia will never accept to lose Syberia (or any other Russian region). But it would be a civil war, and the distance between Moscow and Syberia is gigantic. It would take too much time to deploy troops there. Plus be sure Chinese will sent a lot of military equipment to the Syberians.

China is actually preparing such a conflict for a long time. For example, China stocks huge quantities of food on their whole territory, food they massively buy from other countries (leading to food cost skyrocketing everywhere in the world), and food China produce itself and never sell to anyone.

About oil, it can be purchased from others countries like Venezuela, Arab countries, Africa.

However, the US don't want such a Syberian claim to happen and will do anything to avoid it. And one of the first thing is to surround China miliary, isolate the country, shorten its resources, damage its diplomatic relationships. China considers Taiwan as their territory and anyone giving them nukes will be seen as a pure declaration of war. Which is why the US haven't done that yet. But Taiwan is nowadays threatened by a massive military invasion from China, and the US clearly support Taiwan. The US don't care at all about the taiwanese people, they just want to surround China with ennemies, NATO members, allies, or neutral countries.

The real danger is not Russia pathetically trying to invade Ukraine ; the real danger would be China invading Taiwan, because the US would definitely not accept such a move. It could directly lead to a new Cold War or maybe even a WW3 (we're technically almost on a WW3).

 

[IncelCream]

The problem here is that Russia has a short vision of geopolitics, while China has a long-term vision.
If Syberia declares independence, Russians will not be able to nuke their own territory.
China takes all its time to annex Syberia little by little. Even if it takes decades. Their communist party will not change soon, contrary to Western politics who alternate and need the population support.

As a matter of fact, it's true that Russia will never accept to lose Syberia (or any other Russian region). But it would be a civil war, and the distance between Moscow and Syberia is gigantic. It would take too much time to deploy troops there. Plus be sure Chinese will sent a lot of military equipment to the Syberians.

China is actually preparing such a conflict for a long time. For example, China stocks huge quantities of food on their whole territory, food they massively buy from other countries (leading to food cost skyrocketing everywhere in the world), and food China produce itself and never sell to anyone.

About oil, it can be purchased from others countries like Venezuela, Arab countries, Africa.

However, the US don't want such a Syberian claim to happen and will do anything to avoid it. And one of the first thing is to surround China miliary, isolate the country, shorten its resources, damage its diplomatic relationships. China considers Taiwan as their territory and anyone giving them nukes will be seen as a pure declaration of war. Which is why the US haven't done that yet. But Taiwan is nowadays threatened by a massive military invasion from China, and the US clearly support Taiwan. The US don't care at all about the taiwanese people, they just want to surround China with ennemies, NATO members, allies, or neutral countries.

The real danger is not Russia pathetically trying to invade Ukraine ; the real danger would be China invading Taiwan, because the US would definitely not accept such a move. It could directly lead to a new Cold War or maybe even a WW3 (we're technically almost on a WW3).

No one will recognise independent Siberia because then other regions from other countries can declare independence

Also Siberia can't grow much food, too cold its has lots of resource and Wood from trees

Venezuela can't refine them and their oil is shit tier, they is a reason people buy US, Russia and saudi oil

Arabs would be sanctioned also US could block arab strait and starve China

Africa doesn't have much oil

Russia would rather ally with US then lose Siberia, why would Russia lose Siberia over Ukraine which they can't beat
US would offer Russia to get out of Ukraine and maybe sanction China

Also the real danger to China would be losing Russia support because they would be surrounded
Russia also produces most fertiliser which is needed for food

 

[The Cagot]

No one will recognise independent Siberia because then other regions from other countries can declare independence

Also Siberia can't grow much food, too cold its has lots of resource and Wood from trees

Venezuela can't refine them and their oil is shit tier, they is a reason people buy US, Russia and saudi oil

Arabs would be sanctioned also US could block arab strait and starve China

Africa doesn't have much oil

Russia would rather ally with US then lose Siberia, why would Russia lose Siberia over Ukraine which they can't beat
US would offer Russia to get out of Ukraine and maybe sanction China

Also the real danger to China would be losing Russia support because they would be surrounded
Russia also produces most fertiliser which is needed for food

Yes Russia produces a lot of fertiliser China buys massively (leading to food price raising).
People often say prices in supermarket rise due to Ukraine War, but it's not true ; prices raise due to China buying all the food available on the market, and all the fertilizer to produce their own food too.

I think the US are more frightened by China than by Russia, which means the US would not recognize the new country.
But there's a problem : Russia, China and the US are all veto-members at the United Nations, which means they would block each other against a United Nations military intervention (like it happened in Syria).

After this catastrophic war against Ukraine, I think Russia doesn't have enough military means to avoid a Syberian independence. And the war is not even over.

Also, China knows the climate change will soon make China unlivable, which is the main reason why China want to annex Syberia. Maybe China could even buy Syberia to Russia, depending on the oligarchs decision, the true masters of Russia.

 

[Caesercel]

How are they supposes to do any of that when NATO is planning to expand all across their border and trying to put them in a strategic military disadvantage in case of a war?

 

[IncelCream]

How are they supposes to do any of that when NATO is planning to expand all across their border and trying to put them in a strategic military disadvantage in case of a war?

Russia should ally with west tbh, they could get a good deal considering they border with china

 

[Caesercel]

Russia should ally with west tbh, they could get a good deal considering they border with china

They've had good relations with the west for 20 years until the latter decided to expand its paws in Ukraine