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I really hate to dunk on high iq cows here, but the concept of 'Ego' is being criminally misused, and while I blame hippies and pop-psychology for that one, @BlkPillPres @IncelKing take it to another level of with the idea of a finite "liberation from the ego".
COPE 1: "Abandon your ego and attain your true self, bro"
This is something a lit up hippie returning from his acid trip in Burma would tell you in 1969. The concept of 'Ego' emerges as a blackpilled deconstruction of the naively bluepilled notion of 'Self' which neglected the various parts of the psyche including the unconscious world of drives -- Ego is like a onion the more layers you peel the more you discover about yourself, but there is no 'core self' after you peel the last one. Doing away with Ego would be a unpleasant experience, requiring being severely brain damaged or literaly reaching Nirvana. Ego just de-mythologizes the notion that a Self even exists as some primordial quality underneath all the socialized baggage, rather it is marked by a psyche that is divided into three agencies: the ego, the id (drives) and the superego (societal norms). For Freud the Ego is 'Self' (Ich) that is something that the one identifies with "That's me!", so the ego is nothing but a the result of identifying with one's own specular image, usually when we're infants, who unlike other animals, are caught up in the lure of spatial identification by absorbing the identity as a image. Lacan called it the mirror stage part of the imaginary order which represents a fundamental aspect of the structure of subjectivity. But what about the contingently blind, you ask?
What this means is that Ego something that is bound to happen when you enter the linguistic dimension of identity bearing signifies (words, signs, sounds charged with a pre-concieved meaning or differentiation), it is within language when you come to construct a categorical sense of Self aka Ego - recognizing yourself in proper names, gender, race, labels as well other forms of interpellation, think of language as something that provides you with a map through which you're whole self will make sense of itself by relying on a topography of identity bearing signifies such as White, Black, Man, Woman, Chad, Stacy, Incel --
-- The human condition is marked by a representation of an "I" with language positioning the subject in a symbolic structure. Didier Anzineu in his book The Skin-Ego (1985) doesn't even call it Ego a mere 'mental illusion', but a "a bodily function whose workings it transposes onto the mental plane". Carl Gustav Jung defined it as a process of distinguishing oneself from others in order to experience a enhanced self awareness. Everything you will grasp as reality and try to comprehend it or explain will be within the confines of language (signifiers), which already alienates humans from the animalistic kigndom which relies on codes (indexes), as language has this role in alienating us from "what the body really needs" (perfectly exemplified in bulimia, diet coke and capitalism) there is also this illusion, that there is a pure desire prior to (or beyond) this subjectification -- the world of know isn't comprehensible without the linguistic dimension -- a dimension in which elements have no positive existence but which are constituted purely by virtue of their mutual difference -- that bring concepts in our minds is illusory starting with the concept of "I". At its rudimentary 'Ego' is what separates the "I" from the "not-I", it gives you a sense of continuity in time, of proximity to self, of causality (the I) -- 'Ego' is the 'object' within libidinal economy, organizing of our mental -- psychic and emotional energy associated with instinctual biological drives.
COPE 2: "I have abandoned my ego years ago, bro"
Whether you're chasing women for validation and sex, or renting hookers to simulate it, your ego is doing the organizing, planning, cunning, trying to surf between the pleasure and reality principles. Freud proposed a structural model where he puts ego as one of three agencies, mediating between id (biological drives), and Super-Ego (moralistic). The superego consists of two systems: The conscience and the ideal self. But since you're edgy let's say you stop trying to aspire to some illusory ideal while flipping the bird to the moralist expectations of polite society (Super-Ego) to pursuit a 'stress free' life of 'physical satisfaction' , one problem here -- Super-ego of today isn't some lame cock-blocking Victorian puritan demanding a humble chaste life from you, neither is the Super-Ego today present in a totalitarian call demanding that your to renounce pleasure and sacrifice your libidinal energies for a greater cause (Fascism, Communism, God), the Super-ego today is already hedonistic -- the Super-Ego injunction in today's liberal society is not a sexually repressive one, it's literally the opposite, a YOLO type of endorsement that demands that you ENJOY; BE YOURSELF; LIVE TO THE FULLEST. In a world obsessed with sex, status and hedonistic pleasures, wealthmaxxing to save up for hookers isn't even swimming against the current, a truly radical anti-egoist proposition would be cutting off your balls, renouncing earthly carnal pleasures, and devoting your life to God or some Manchurian maoist cause.
@BlkPillPres and @IncelKing are 'ahead of the curve' inasmuch their ego's hyper-identify with the symbolic law of the father (Super-Ego) of liberal society that calls upon you to engage in unapologetic bodily hedonism (consensual tho), they identify with the message of late capitalism in the most sexual sense. Their problem is that they aren't Chads so they try and figure out alternative routes to reach the promised land.
COPE 3: "You're a narcissist If you care about validation, bro"
Narcissism is far from being limited to self-love of autoeroticism and validation seeking -- it is any kind of libidinal investment that expects a return to ego itself. With love, when you idealize and obsess over a girl, your narcissistic libidinal investment goes to to a significant other (3.14qt), which you hope will return it, but it's still giving something to someone you don't know, desperate simping which involves a potential humiliation, a blow to the ego. But when one says 'fuck love, only survival and enjoyment is what truly matters' this is what in psychoanalytic theory is defined extreme case of narcissism as the complete libidinal investment exclusively goes into the egoism of the instinct of self-preservation and enjoyment.
tl;dr: Ego death is certainly not something you could overcome with ayahuasca trips or 'blackpill' meditation, lmao.
COPE 1: "Abandon your ego and attain your true self, bro"
This is something a lit up hippie returning from his acid trip in Burma would tell you in 1969. The concept of 'Ego' emerges as a blackpilled deconstruction of the naively bluepilled notion of 'Self' which neglected the various parts of the psyche including the unconscious world of drives -- Ego is like a onion the more layers you peel the more you discover about yourself, but there is no 'core self' after you peel the last one. Doing away with Ego would be a unpleasant experience, requiring being severely brain damaged or literaly reaching Nirvana. Ego just de-mythologizes the notion that a Self even exists as some primordial quality underneath all the socialized baggage, rather it is marked by a psyche that is divided into three agencies: the ego, the id (drives) and the superego (societal norms). For Freud the Ego is 'Self' (Ich) that is something that the one identifies with "That's me!", so the ego is nothing but a the result of identifying with one's own specular image, usually when we're infants, who unlike other animals, are caught up in the lure of spatial identification by absorbing the identity as a image. Lacan called it the mirror stage part of the imaginary order which represents a fundamental aspect of the structure of subjectivity. But what about the contingently blind, you ask?
What this means is that Ego something that is bound to happen when you enter the linguistic dimension of identity bearing signifies (words, signs, sounds charged with a pre-concieved meaning or differentiation), it is within language when you come to construct a categorical sense of Self aka Ego - recognizing yourself in proper names, gender, race, labels as well other forms of interpellation, think of language as something that provides you with a map through which you're whole self will make sense of itself by relying on a topography of identity bearing signifies such as White, Black, Man, Woman, Chad, Stacy, Incel --
-- The human condition is marked by a representation of an "I" with language positioning the subject in a symbolic structure. Didier Anzineu in his book The Skin-Ego (1985) doesn't even call it Ego a mere 'mental illusion', but a "a bodily function whose workings it transposes onto the mental plane". Carl Gustav Jung defined it as a process of distinguishing oneself from others in order to experience a enhanced self awareness. Everything you will grasp as reality and try to comprehend it or explain will be within the confines of language (signifiers), which already alienates humans from the animalistic kigndom which relies on codes (indexes), as language has this role in alienating us from "what the body really needs" (perfectly exemplified in bulimia, diet coke and capitalism) there is also this illusion, that there is a pure desire prior to (or beyond) this subjectification -- the world of know isn't comprehensible without the linguistic dimension -- a dimension in which elements have no positive existence but which are constituted purely by virtue of their mutual difference -- that bring concepts in our minds is illusory starting with the concept of "I". At its rudimentary 'Ego' is what separates the "I" from the "not-I", it gives you a sense of continuity in time, of proximity to self, of causality (the I) -- 'Ego' is the 'object' within libidinal economy, organizing of our mental -- psychic and emotional energy associated with instinctual biological drives.
COPE 2: "I have abandoned my ego years ago, bro"
Whether you're chasing women for validation and sex, or renting hookers to simulate it, your ego is doing the organizing, planning, cunning, trying to surf between the pleasure and reality principles. Freud proposed a structural model where he puts ego as one of three agencies, mediating between id (biological drives), and Super-Ego (moralistic). The superego consists of two systems: The conscience and the ideal self. But since you're edgy let's say you stop trying to aspire to some illusory ideal while flipping the bird to the moralist expectations of polite society (Super-Ego) to pursuit a 'stress free' life of 'physical satisfaction' , one problem here -- Super-ego of today isn't some lame cock-blocking Victorian puritan demanding a humble chaste life from you, neither is the Super-Ego today present in a totalitarian call demanding that your to renounce pleasure and sacrifice your libidinal energies for a greater cause (Fascism, Communism, God), the Super-ego today is already hedonistic -- the Super-Ego injunction in today's liberal society is not a sexually repressive one, it's literally the opposite, a YOLO type of endorsement that demands that you ENJOY; BE YOURSELF; LIVE TO THE FULLEST. In a world obsessed with sex, status and hedonistic pleasures, wealthmaxxing to save up for hookers isn't even swimming against the current, a truly radical anti-egoist proposition would be cutting off your balls, renouncing earthly carnal pleasures, and devoting your life to God or some Manchurian maoist cause.
@BlkPillPres and @IncelKing are 'ahead of the curve' inasmuch their ego's hyper-identify with the symbolic law of the father (Super-Ego) of liberal society that calls upon you to engage in unapologetic bodily hedonism (consensual tho), they identify with the message of late capitalism in the most sexual sense. Their problem is that they aren't Chads so they try and figure out alternative routes to reach the promised land.
COPE 3: "You're a narcissist If you care about validation, bro"
Narcissism is far from being limited to self-love of autoeroticism and validation seeking -- it is any kind of libidinal investment that expects a return to ego itself. With love, when you idealize and obsess over a girl, your narcissistic libidinal investment goes to to a significant other (3.14qt), which you hope will return it, but it's still giving something to someone you don't know, desperate simping which involves a potential humiliation, a blow to the ego. But when one says 'fuck love, only survival and enjoyment is what truly matters' this is what in psychoanalytic theory is defined extreme case of narcissism as the complete libidinal investment exclusively goes into the egoism of the instinct of self-preservation and enjoyment.
tl;dr: Ego death is certainly not something you could overcome with ayahuasca trips or 'blackpill' meditation, lmao.
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