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Serious Response to @BlkPillPres and @IncelKing theory -- "EGO DEATH" is the motherlode of COPE

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I really hate to dunk on high iq cows here, but the concept of 'Ego' is being criminally misused, and while I blame hippies and pop-psychology for that one, @BlkPillPres @IncelKing take it to another level of with the idea of a finite "liberation from the ego".

COPE 1: "Abandon your ego and attain your true self, bro"

This is something a lit up hippie returning from his acid trip in Burma would tell you in 1969. The concept of 'Ego' emerges as a blackpilled deconstruction of the naively bluepilled notion of 'Self' which neglected the various parts of the psyche including the unconscious world of drives -- Ego is like a onion the more layers you peel the more you discover about yourself, but there is no 'core self' after you peel the last one. Doing away with Ego would be a unpleasant experience, requiring being severely brain damaged or literaly reaching Nirvana. Ego just de-mythologizes the notion that a Self even exists as some primordial quality underneath all the socialized baggage, rather it is marked by a psyche that is divided into three agencies: the ego, the id (drives) and the superego (societal norms). For Freud the Ego is 'Self' (Ich) that is something that the one identifies with "That's me!", so the ego is nothing but a the result of identifying with one's own specular image, usually when we're infants, who unlike other animals, are caught up in the lure of spatial identification by absorbing the identity as a image. Lacan called it the mirror stage part of the imaginary order which represents a fundamental aspect of the structure of subjectivity. But what about the contingently blind, you ask?

What this means is that Ego something that is bound to happen when you enter the linguistic dimension of identity bearing signifies (words, signs, sounds charged with a pre-concieved meaning or differentiation), it is within language when you come to construct a categorical sense of Self aka Ego - recognizing yourself in proper names, gender, race, labels as well other forms of interpellation, think of language as something that provides you with a map through which you're whole self will make sense of itself by relying on a topography of identity bearing signifies such as White, Black, Man, Woman, Chad, Stacy, Incel --


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-- The human condition is marked by a representation of an "I" with language positioning the subject in a symbolic structure. Didier Anzineu in his book The Skin-Ego (1985) doesn't even call it Ego a mere 'mental illusion', but a "a bodily function whose workings it transposes onto the mental plane". Carl Gustav Jung defined it as a process of distinguishing oneself from others in order to experience a enhanced self awareness. Everything you will grasp as reality and try to comprehend it or explain will be within the confines of language (signifiers), which already alienates humans from the animalistic kigndom which relies on codes (indexes), as language has this role in alienating us from "what the body really needs" (perfectly exemplified in bulimia, diet coke and capitalism) there is also this illusion, that there is a pure desire prior to (or beyond) this subjectification -- the world of know isn't comprehensible without the linguistic dimension -- a dimension in which elements have no positive existence but which are constituted purely by virtue of their mutual difference -- that bring concepts in our minds is illusory starting with the concept of "I". At its rudimentary 'Ego' is what separates the "I" from the "not-I", it gives you a sense of continuity in time, of proximity to self, of causality (the I) -- 'Ego' is the 'object' within libidinal economy, organizing of our mental -- psychic and emotional energy associated with instinctual biological drives.

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COPE 2: "I have abandoned my ego years ago, bro"

Whether you're chasing women for validation and sex, or renting hookers to simulate it, your ego is doing the organizing, planning, cunning, trying to surf between the pleasure and reality principles. Freud proposed a structural model where he puts ego as one of three agencies, mediating between id (biological drives), and Super-Ego (moralistic). The superego consists of two systems: The conscience and the ideal self. But since you're edgy let's say you stop trying to aspire to some illusory ideal while flipping the bird to the moralist expectations of polite society (Super-Ego) to pursuit a 'stress free' life of 'physical satisfaction' , one problem here -- Super-ego of today isn't some lame cock-blocking Victorian puritan demanding a humble chaste life from you, neither is the Super-Ego today present in a totalitarian call demanding that your to renounce pleasure and sacrifice your libidinal energies for a greater cause (Fascism, Communism, God), the Super-ego today is already hedonistic -- the Super-Ego injunction in today's liberal society is not a sexually repressive one, it's literally the opposite, a YOLO type of endorsement that demands that you ENJOY; BE YOURSELF; LIVE TO THE FULLEST. In a world obsessed with sex, status and hedonistic pleasures, wealthmaxxing to save up for hookers isn't even swimming against the current, a truly radical anti-egoist proposition would be cutting off your balls, renouncing earthly carnal pleasures, and devoting your life to God or some Manchurian maoist cause.

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@BlkPillPres and @IncelKing are 'ahead of the curve' inasmuch their ego's hyper-identify with the symbolic law of the father (Super-Ego) of liberal society that calls upon you to engage in unapologetic bodily hedonism (consensual tho), they identify with the message of late capitalism in the most sexual sense. Their problem is that they aren't Chads so they try and figure out alternative routes to reach the promised land.

COPE 3: "You're a narcissist If you care about validation, bro"

Narcissism is far from being limited to self-love of autoeroticism and validation seeking -- it is any kind of libidinal investment that expects a return to ego itself. With love, when you idealize and obsess over a girl, your narcissistic libidinal investment goes to to a significant other (3.14qt), which you hope will return it, but it's still giving something to someone you don't know, desperate simping which involves a potential humiliation, a blow to the ego. But when one says 'fuck love, only survival and enjoyment is what truly matters' this is what in psychoanalytic theory is defined extreme case of narcissism as the complete libidinal investment exclusively goes into the egoism of the instinct of self-preservation and enjoyment.

tl;dr: Ego death is certainly not something you could overcome with ayahuasca trips or 'blackpill' meditation, lmao.
 
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I can't be bothered to read that right now, just can't concentrate, maybe later.
 
Those two motherfuckers have quite ironically not abandoned their egos whatsoever.
 
Fascinating read. Bookmarked for later contemplation.
 
Should have dropped some acid in Burma instead of writing this long ass bs
And read some Wilhelm Reich instead of Freud :feelsYall:
 
I really hate to dunk on high iq cows here, but the concept of 'Ego' is being criminally misused, and while I blame hippies and pop-psychology for that one, @BlkPillPres @IncelKing take it to another level of with the idea of a finite "liberation from the ego".

COPE 1: "Abandon your ego and attain your true self, bro"

This is something a lit up hippie returning from his acid trip in Burma would tell you in 1969. The concept of 'Ego' emerges as a blackpilled deconstruction of the naively bluepilled notion of 'Self' which neglected the various parts of the psyche including the unconscious world of drives -- Ego is like a onion the more layers you peel the more you discover about yourself, but there is no 'core self' after you peel the last one. Doing away with Ego would be a unpleasant experience, requiring being severely brain damaged or literaly reaching Nirvana. Ego just de-mythologizes the notion that a Self even exists as some primordial quality underneath all the socialized baggage, rather it is marked by a psyche that is divided into three agencies: the ego, the id (drives) and the superego (societal norms). For Freud the Ego is 'Self' (Ich) that is something that the one identifies with "That's me!", so the ego is nothing but a the result of identifying with one's own specular image, usually when we're infants, who unlike other animals, are caught up in the lure of spatial identification by absorbing the identity as a image. Lacan called it the mirror stage part of the imaginary order which represents a fundamental aspect of the structure of subjectivity. But what about the contingently blind, you ask?

What this means is that Ego something that is bound to happen when you enter the linguistic dimension of identity bearing signifies (words, signs, sounds charged with a pre-concieved meaning or differentiation), it is within language when you come to construct a categorical sense of Self aka Ego - recognizing yourself in proper names, gender, race, labels as well other forms of interpellation, think of language as something that provides you with a map through which you're whole self will make sense of itself by relying on a topography of identity bearing signifies such as White, Black, Man, Woman, Chad, Stacy, Incel --


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-- The human condition is marked by a representation of an "I" with language positioning the subject in a symbolic structure. Didier Anzineu in his book The Skin-Ego (1985) doesn't even call it Ego a mere 'mental illusion', but a "a bodily function whose workings it transposes onto the mental plane". Carl Gustav Jung defined it as a process of distinguishing oneself from others in order to experience a enhanced self awareness. Everything you will grasp as reality and try to comprehend it or explain will be within the confines of language (signifiers), which already alienates humans from the animalistic kigndom which relies on codes (indexes), as language has this role in alienating us from "what the body really needs" (perfectly exemplified in bulimia, diet coke and capitalism) there is also this illusion, that there is a pure desire prior to (or beyond) this subjectification -- the world of know isn't comprehensible without the linguistic dimension -- a dimension in which elements have no positive existence but which are constituted purely by virtue of their mutual difference -- that bring concepts in our minds is illusory starting with the concept of "I". At its rudimentary 'Ego' is what separates the "I" from the "not-I", it gives you a sense of continuity in time, of proximity to self, of causality (the I) -- 'Ego' is the 'object' within libidinal economy, organizing of our mental -- psychic and emotional energy associated with instinctual biological drives.

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COPE 2: "I have abandoned my ego years ago, bro"

Whether you're chasing women for validation and sex, or renting hookers to simulate it, your ego is doing the organizing, planning, cunning, trying to surf between the pleasure and reality principles. Freud proposed a structural model where he puts ego as one of three agencies, mediating between id (biological drives), and Super-Ego (moralistic). The superego consists of two systems: The conscience and the ideal self. But since you're edgy let's say you stop trying to aspire to some illusory ideal while flipping the bird to the moralist expectations of polite society (Super-Ego) to pursuit a 'stress free' life of 'physical satisfaction' , one problem here -- Super-ego of today isn't some lame cock-blocking Victorian puritan demanding a humble chaste life from you, neither is the Super-Ego today present in a totalitarian call demanding that your to renounce pleasure and sacrifice your libidinal energies for a greater cause (Fascism, Communism, God), the Super-ego today is already hedonistic -- the Super-Ego injunction in today's liberal society is not a sexually repressive one, it's literally the opposite, a YOLO type of endorsement that demands that you ENJOY; BE YOURSELF; LIVE TO THE FULLEST. In a world obsessed with sex, status and hedonistic pleasures, wealthmaxxing to save up for hookers isn't even swimming against the current, a truly radical anti-egoist proposition would be cutting off your balls, renouncing earthly carnal pleasures, and devoting your life to God or some Manchurian maoist cause.

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@BlkPillPres and @IncelKing are 'ahead of the curve' inasmuch their ego's hyper-identify with the symbolic law of the father (Super-Ego) of liberal society that calls upon you to engage in unapologetic bodily hedonism (consensual tho), they identify with the message of late capitalism in the most sexual sense. Their problem is that they aren't Chads so they try and figure out alternative routes to reach the promised land.

COPE 3: "You're a narcissist If you care about validation, bro"

Narcissism is far from being limited to self-love of autoeroticism and validation seeking -- it is any kind of libidinal investment that expects a return to ego itself. With love, when you idealize and obsess over a girl, your narcissistic libidinal investment goes to to a significant other (3.14qt), which you hope will return it, but it's still giving something to someone you don't know, desperate simping which involves a potential humiliation, a blow to the ego. But when one says 'fuck love, only survival and enjoyment is what truly matters' this is what in psychoanalytic theory is defined extreme case of narcissism as the complete libidinal investment exclusively goes into the egoism of the instinct of self-preservation and enjoyment.

tl;dr: Ego death is certainly not something you could overcame with ayahuasca trips or 'blackpill' meditation, lmao.
It's so bizarrely obvious that you are mensaiqcel's alt.
 
They write well and it's easy to comprehend what they are saying, wouldn't necessarily agree everything they say is high IQ though. Sorry OP didn't read the rest its too long.
 
It's so bizarrely obvious that you are mensaiqcel's alt.
next time don't try to use your signature posting style with those images in long walls of text
 
Pretty sure you've misunderstood what an ego death is if you call it a cope.

From a Jungian perspective it's when WHO you are changes. It happened to be when I got insta-blackpilled.
 
I really hate to dunk on high iq cows here, but the concept of 'Ego' is being criminally misused, and while I blame hippies and pop-psychology for that one, @BlkPillPres @IncelKing take it to another level of with the idea of a finite "liberation from the ego".

COPE 1: "Abandon your ego and attain your true self, bro"

This is something a lit up hippie returning from his acid trip in Burma would tell you in 1969. The concept of 'Ego' emerges as a blackpilled deconstruction of the naively bluepilled notion of 'Self' which neglected the various parts of the psyche including the unconscious world of drives -- Ego is like a onion the more layers you peel the more you discover about yourself, but there is no 'core self' after you peel the last one. Doing away with Ego would be a unpleasant experience, requiring being severely brain damaged or literaly reaching Nirvana. Ego just de-mythologizes the notion that a Self even exists as some primordial quality underneath all the socialized baggage, rather it is marked by a psyche that is divided into three agencies: the ego, the id (drives) and the superego (societal norms). For Freud the Ego is 'Self' (Ich) that is something that the one identifies with "That's me!", so the ego is nothing but a the result of identifying with one's own specular image, usually when we're infants, who unlike other animals, are caught up in the lure of spatial identification by absorbing the identity as a image. Lacan called it the mirror stage part of the imaginary order which represents a fundamental aspect of the structure of subjectivity. But what about the contingently blind, you ask?

What this means is that Ego something that is bound to happen when you enter the linguistic dimension of identity bearing signifies (words, signs, sounds charged with a pre-concieved meaning or differentiation), it is within language when you come to construct a categorical sense of Self aka Ego - recognizing yourself in proper names, gender, race, labels as well other forms of interpellation, think of language as something that provides you with a map through which you're whole self will make sense of itself by relying on a topography of identity bearing signifies such as White, Black, Man, Woman, Chad, Stacy, Incel --


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-- The human condition is marked by a representation of an "I" with language positioning the subject in a symbolic structure. Didier Anzineu in his book The Skin-Ego (1985) doesn't even call it Ego a mere 'mental illusion', but a "a bodily function whose workings it transposes onto the mental plane". Carl Gustav Jung defined it as a process of distinguishing oneself from others in order to experience a enhanced self awareness. Everything you will grasp as reality and try to comprehend it or explain will be within the confines of language (signifiers), which already alienates humans from the animalistic kigndom which relies on codes (indexes), as language has this role in alienating us from "what the body really needs" (perfectly exemplified in bulimia, diet coke and capitalism) there is also this illusion, that there is a pure desire prior to (or beyond) this subjectification -- the world of know isn't comprehensible without the linguistic dimension -- a dimension in which elements have no positive existence but which are constituted purely by virtue of their mutual difference -- that bring concepts in our minds is illusory starting with the concept of "I". At its rudimentary 'Ego' is what separates the "I" from the "not-I", it gives you a sense of continuity in time, of proximity to self, of causality (the I) -- 'Ego' is the 'object' within libidinal economy, organizing of our mental -- psychic and emotional energy associated with instinctual biological drives.

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COPE 2: "I have abandoned my ego years ago, bro"

Whether you're chasing women for validation and sex, or renting hookers to simulate it, your ego is doing the organizing, planning, cunning, trying to surf between the pleasure and reality principles. Freud proposed a structural model where he puts ego as one of three agencies, mediating between id (biological drives), and Super-Ego (moralistic). The superego consists of two systems: The conscience and the ideal self. But since you're edgy let's say you stop trying to aspire to some illusory ideal while flipping the bird to the moralist expectations of polite society (Super-Ego) to pursuit a 'stress free' life of 'physical satisfaction' , one problem here -- Super-ego of today isn't some lame cock-blocking Victorian puritan demanding a humble chaste life from you, neither is the Super-Ego today present in a totalitarian call demanding that your to renounce pleasure and sacrifice your libidinal energies for a greater cause (Fascism, Communism, God), the Super-ego today is already hedonistic -- the Super-Ego injunction in today's liberal society is not a sexually repressive one, it's literally the opposite, a YOLO type of endorsement that demands that you ENJOY; BE YOURSELF; LIVE TO THE FULLEST. In a world obsessed with sex, status and hedonistic pleasures, wealthmaxxing to save up for hookers isn't even swimming against the current, a truly radical anti-egoist proposition would be cutting off your balls, renouncing earthly carnal pleasures, and devoting your life to God or some Manchurian maoist cause.

View attachment 281107

@BlkPillPres and @IncelKing are 'ahead of the curve' inasmuch their ego's hyper-identify with the symbolic law of the father (Super-Ego) of liberal society that calls upon you to engage in unapologetic bodily hedonism (consensual tho), they identify with the message of late capitalism in the most sexual sense. Their problem is that they aren't Chads so they try and figure out alternative routes to reach the promised land.

COPE 3: "You're a narcissist If you care about validation, bro"

Narcissism is far from being limited to self-love of autoeroticism and validation seeking -- it is any kind of libidinal investment that expects a return to ego itself. With love, when you idealize and obsess over a girl, your narcissistic libidinal investment goes to to a significant other (3.14qt), which you hope will return it, but it's still giving something to someone you don't know, desperate simping which involves a potential humiliation, a blow to the ego. But when one says 'fuck love, only survival and enjoyment is what truly matters' this is what in psychoanalytic theory is defined extreme case of narcissism as the complete libidinal investment exclusively goes into the egoism of the instinct of self-preservation and enjoyment.

tl;dr: Ego death is certainly not something you could overcome with ayahuasca trips or 'blackpill' meditation, lmao.
Honestly mensa why are you so absurdly obsessed with that guy? I just want to know as you seem to be trying to be like some kind of anti-blackpillpres. Your whole identity on your previous account was to constantly spam walls of text full of bullcrap. And now you are doing it AGAIN on a alt. It just seems that you have some kind of hatred for him.
 
Honestly mensa why are you so absurdly obsessed with that guy? I just want to know as you seem to be trying to be like some kind of anti-blackpillpres. Your whole identity on your previous account was to constantly spam walls of text full of bullcrap. And now you are doing it AGAIN on a alt. It just seems that you have some kind of hatred for him.
What the fuck is a mensa? I've saw those two users talking about 'ego death' in the must read section in at least 3 threads posted there. I studied psychoanalysis for 2 years and decided to respond since it's stickied.

Pretty sure you've misunderstood what an ego death is if you call it a cope.

From a Jungian perspective it's when WHO you are changes. It happened to be when I got insta-blackpilled.
Jung was still a psychologist after all, I'm referring to psychoanalytic theory which outright denies the 'ego death' as nothing but a new age metaphysics.
 
GrAYcels have no business calling out veterans of this forum. There is a reason half of the must read content section is threads made by those two users.
 
What the fuck is a mensa? I've saw those two users talking about 'ego death' in the must read section in at least 3 threads posted there. I studied psychoanalysis for 2 years and decided to respond since it's stickied.


Jung was still a psychologist after all, I'm referring to psychoanalytic theory which outright denies the 'ego death' as nothing but a new age metaphysics.
Mensaiqcel you keep digging your own grave with the shit that you are claiming.
Mensaiqcel you keep digging your own grave with the shit that you are claiming.
it is even MORE obvious for me now that you are mensaiqcel.
 
What the fuck is a mensa? I've saw those two users talking about 'ego death' in the must read section in at least 3 threads posted there. I studied psychoanalysis for 2 years and decided to respond since it's stickied.
he's calling you mensaiqcel
 
NEITHER OF THEM REPLIED! :lul: :lul:
 
NEITHER OF THEM REPLIED! :lul: :lul:
Yeah I understand them B.O.G.A.R.T aka mensaiqcel is a obsessed troll. Also something I noticed while looking into his account is that he made and became actieve around the time that mensaiqcel and his alts were banned
 
What the fuck is a mensa? I've saw those two users talking about 'ego death' in the must read section in at least 3 threads posted there. I studied psychoanalysis for 2 years and decided to respond since it's stickied.


Jung was still a psychologist after all, I'm referring to psychoanalytic theory which outright denies the 'ego death' as nothing but a new age metaphysics.
Buddhism does the the same thing. Along with that other philosophy from the european guy.


Ego death as a non chad is cope.
 
I thought you were leaving, mensa?
 
Damn bro, that's crazy.
But who asked?
 
very nice dissertation, only issue is: @BlkPillPres isn't high IQ at all...
 
I think it’s more practical to abandon the layers of your ego that do not serve you. Basically try to kill them off and focus on the layers you can satisfy
 
GrAYcels have no business calling out veterans of this forum. There is a reason half of the must read content section is threads made by those two users.
13k and Rage make up the half you speak off, not these 2 mentioned here.
 
Those two motherfuckers have quite ironically not abandoned their egos whatsoever.
very nice dissertation, only issue is: @BlkPillPres isn't high IQ at all...
OP and those 2 are fucking idiots. Writing essay after essay of useless boring garbage. Nobody actually reads it, they just see “big word big essay=high Iq”. In reality they’re just word soups with big diction that can be summed up in 5 sentences or less.
 
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Pretty sure you've misunderstood what an ego death is if you call it a cope.

From a Jungian perspective it's when WHO you are changes. It happened to be when I got insta-blackpilled.
The problem is that this is entirely subject to individual perception, and there is no exact way to determine when who you are changes. In fact it's possible that you are not the same person who existed yesterday, maybe not even the person who was there at the start of reading this reply, depending upon how far we want to take this. The point is that it's difficult to determine when or if a change like that really happens.

When I think about a memory, be it something very significant, or something as insignificant as playing a video game at a specific moment(and in a specific mood), I feel a persistent feeling of loss. I can't really go back to that moment again and just stay there, even memories are something entirely different. I feel like I've lost some sort of piece of myself which I'll never get back. Idk how to explain what I mean, and this is irrelevant anyway jfl.
In reality they’re just word soups with big diction that can be summed up in 5 sentences or less.
Well at least I can relate to that tbh.
 
very nice dissertation, only issue is: @BlkPillPres isn't high IQ at all...

I agree with you, as you are clearly the arbiter of who is high IQ or not
tl;dr: Ego death is certainly not something you could overcome with ayahuasca trips or 'blackpill' meditation, lmao.

I agree, and literally nothing I have ever said has anything to do with any hippie shit, its as if you've never read anything I've said at all
 
Yeah I understand them B.O.G.A.R.T aka mensaiqcel is a obsessed troll. Also something I noticed while looking into his account is that he made and became actieve around the time that mensaiqcel and his alts were banned
Did that user make posts involving psychoanalytic theory? Terminology is key when discussing psychoanalysis, so anyone who discusses it will use similar phraseology. Lmao, why are you simping for those two that hard?

Should have dropped some acid in Burma instead of writing this long ass bs
And read some Wilhelm Reich instead of Freud :feelsYall:
Reich was incredibly bluepilled about female libido, I made a dissertation on him in college arguing that the sexual revolution proved his whole premise wrong and led to a ruthless sexual hierarchy.

NEITHER OF THEM REPLIED! :lul: :lul:
the other guy probably doesn't have the conceptual tools for a proper rebuttal tbh.

OP and those 2 are fucking idiots. Writing essay after essay of useless boring garbage. Nobody actually reads it, they just see “big word big essay=high Iq”. In reality they’re just word soups with big diction that can be summed up in 5 sentences or less.
You can't sum it up in 5 sentences.

I agree, and literally nothing I have ever said has anything to do with any hippie shit, its as if you've never read anything I've said at all
Both of you refer to 'ego death' as it were plausible without severe brain damage, in that sense both of you sound like new age tweakers, I just used psychoanalysis (OG's of ego theory) to categorically dismiss 'ego death' even as a possibility outside death or ending up braindead.
 
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There are only 3 states of being in this world:
  1. Cringe
  2. Cope
  3. Silence

I've always found "ego death" a misleading term. For one, death suggests permanence wherein the truth is the ego is reborn when you return to your body and this life's memories reassert themselves. The ego is a by product of living in a body, so you cannot still live in a body and have no ego to speak of.

Ascetic spiritual practices are essentially methods of training the mind to identify with the "default" conscious state rather than all the thoughts and feelings produced by the mind's survival mechanisms. It's not easy, especially while still living in the world at large and I don't think promoting it is of much use. These practices were never promoted and evangelized traditionally. Some are just called to them regardless of circumstance.
 
"just cancel your ego bro" is a total cope. its like asking one to rewire his brain. its not practical advice. its similar to redpills just hold frame bro and just have abundance mentality bro.

imagine telling someone "just feel less hungry bro" "just feel less pain bro". that not how brains work

It's actually pretty simple. It's impossible to kill the ego because the only thing that would seek to kill the ego is... the ego itself!
 
That's a lot of effort put into something im not going to read :feelsLSD::feelsLSD:

just kidding brocel i'll read later am too fucked up rn
 
"just cancel your ego bro" is a total cope. its like asking one to rewire his brain. its not practical advice. its similar to redpills just hold frame bro and just have abundance mentality bro.

imagine telling someone "just feel less hungry bro" "just feel less pain bro". that not how brains work
It would be more akin to completely unthinking the language you acquired, relapsing to a state where you didn't even recognise yourself and recognise yourself as a separate person.

Ascetic spiritual practices are essentially methods of training the mind to identify with the "default" conscious state rather than all the thoughts and feelings produced by the mind's survival mechanisms. It's not easy, especially while still living in the world at large and I don't think promoting it is of much use. These practices were never promoted and evangelized traditionally. Some are just called to them regardless of circumstance.
Man is a failed animal, human consciousness is primordially the awareness of limitation and finitude, this ontological gap emerges with humanity.
 
wow you destroyed them
 
I have an ego
 
relapsing to a state where you didn't even recognise yourself and recognise yourself as a separate person.
The latter sounds very similar to severe dissociation.
Man is a failed animal, human consciousness is primordially the awareness of limitation and finitude, this ontological gap emerges with humanity.
I've thought about this a lot too.

Our lives are primarily spent measuring and mitigating negative value, however that doesn't seem to be distinct from the behavior of other animals. The true difference is expressed in our capacity to understand our situation, it's the knowledge of our own eventual deaths, and the ability to truly question our own experiences. Other animals don't seem to be tortured by their existence in quite the same way that we are.
 
Reich was incredibly bluepilled about female libido, I made a dissertation on him in college arguing that the sexual revolution proved his whole premise wrong and led to a ruthless sexual hierarchy.
Tell me more. Very interesting read overall ngl.
 
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Humans are simply biological computers receiving input variables and running them through various algorithms that are constantly changing in composition relative to their operating environment. As our objective (mathematically based and derived) understanding of the human brain and its substructures grow, many issues relating to "self" and "ego" will be understood that same way we feel about supernatural phenomena. Psychoanalysis is to neurosciences what alchemy is to chemistry.

As a general question to you, has anyone found physical proof of an ego or mind? Do you believe that there is more to our minds than basic chemistry? It feels much like God to me in that it is something that relies on belief.

Other animals don't seem to be tortured by their existence in quite the same way that we are.
I'd question that to a point. Social animals have been known to commit suicide or display otherwise self destructive behavior.
 
I really hate to dunk on high iq cows here, but the concept of 'Ego' is being criminally misused, and while I blame hippies and pop-psychology for that one, @BlkPillPres @IncelKing take it to another level of with the idea of a finite "liberation from the ego".

COPE 1: "Abandon your ego and attain your true self, bro"

This is something a lit up hippie returning from his acid trip in Burma would tell you in 1969. The concept of 'Ego' emerges as a blackpilled deconstruction of the naively bluepilled notion of 'Self' which neglected the various parts of the psyche including the unconscious world of drives -- Ego is like a onion the more layers you peel the more you discover about yourself, but there is no 'core self' after you peel the last one. Doing away with Ego would be a unpleasant experience, requiring being severely brain damaged or literaly reaching Nirvana. Ego just de-mythologizes the notion that a Self even exists as some primordial quality underneath all the socialized baggage, rather it is marked by a psyche that is divided into three agencies: the ego, the id (drives) and the superego (societal norms). For Freud the Ego is 'Self' (Ich) that is something that the one identifies with "That's me!", so the ego is nothing but a the result of identifying with one's own specular image, usually when we're infants, who unlike other animals, are caught up in the lure of spatial identification by absorbing the identity as a image. Lacan called it the mirror stage part of the imaginary order which represents a fundamental aspect of the structure of subjectivity. But what about the contingently blind, you ask?

What this means is that Ego something that is bound to happen when you enter the linguistic dimension of identity bearing signifies (words, signs, sounds charged with a pre-concieved meaning or differentiation), it is within language when you come to construct a categorical sense of Self aka Ego - recognizing yourself in proper names, gender, race, labels as well other forms of interpellation, think of language as something that provides you with a map through which you're whole self will make sense of itself by relying on a topography of identity bearing signifies such as White, Black, Man, Woman, Chad, Stacy, Incel --


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-- The human condition is marked by a representation of an "I" with language positioning the subject in a symbolic structure. Didier Anzineu in his book The Skin-Ego (1985) doesn't even call it Ego a mere 'mental illusion', but a "a bodily function whose workings it transposes onto the mental plane". Carl Gustav Jung defined it as a process of distinguishing oneself from others in order to experience a enhanced self awareness. Everything you will grasp as reality and try to comprehend it or explain will be within the confines of language (signifiers), which already alienates humans from the animalistic kigndom which relies on codes (indexes), as language has this role in alienating us from "what the body really needs" (perfectly exemplified in bulimia, diet coke and capitalism) there is also this illusion, that there is a pure desire prior to (or beyond) this subjectification -- the world of know isn't comprehensible without the linguistic dimension -- a dimension in which elements have no positive existence but which are constituted purely by virtue of their mutual difference -- that bring concepts in our minds is illusory starting with the concept of "I". At its rudimentary 'Ego' is what separates the "I" from the "not-I", it gives you a sense of continuity in time, of proximity to self, of causality (the I) -- 'Ego' is the 'object' within libidinal economy, organizing of our mental -- psychic and emotional energy associated with instinctual biological drives.

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COPE 2: "I have abandoned my ego years ago, bro"

Whether you're chasing women for validation and sex, or renting hookers to simulate it, your ego is doing the organizing, planning, cunning, trying to surf between the pleasure and reality principles. Freud proposed a structural model where he puts ego as one of three agencies, mediating between id (biological drives), and Super-Ego (moralistic). The superego consists of two systems: The conscience and the ideal self. But since you're edgy let's say you stop trying to aspire to some illusory ideal while flipping the bird to the moralist expectations of polite society (Super-Ego) to pursuit a 'stress free' life of 'physical satisfaction' , one problem here -- Super-ego of today isn't some lame cock-blocking Victorian puritan demanding a humble chaste life from you, neither is the Super-Ego today present in a totalitarian call demanding that your to renounce pleasure and sacrifice your libidinal energies for a greater cause (Fascism, Communism, God), the Super-ego today is already hedonistic -- the Super-Ego injunction in today's liberal society is not a sexually repressive one, it's literally the opposite, a YOLO type of endorsement that demands that you ENJOY; BE YOURSELF; LIVE TO THE FULLEST. In a world obsessed with sex, status and hedonistic pleasures, wealthmaxxing to save up for hookers isn't even swimming against the current, a truly radical anti-egoist proposition would be cutting off your balls, renouncing earthly carnal pleasures, and devoting your life to God or some Manchurian maoist cause.

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@BlkPillPres and @IncelKing are 'ahead of the curve' inasmuch their ego's hyper-identify with the symbolic law of the father (Super-Ego) of liberal society that calls upon you to engage in unapologetic bodily hedonism (consensual tho), they identify with the message of late capitalism in the most sexual sense. Their problem is that they aren't Chads so they try and figure out alternative routes to reach the promised land.

COPE 3: "You're a narcissist If you care about validation, bro"

Narcissism is far from being limited to self-love of autoeroticism and validation seeking -- it is any kind of libidinal investment that expects a return to ego itself. With love, when you idealize and obsess over a girl, your narcissistic libidinal investment goes to to a significant other (3.14qt), which you hope will return it, but it's still giving something to someone you don't know, desperate simping which involves a potential humiliation, a blow to the ego. But when one says 'fuck love, only survival and enjoyment is what truly matters' this is what in psychoanalytic theory is defined extreme case of narcissism as the complete libidinal investment exclusively goes into the egoism of the instinct of self-preservation and enjoyment.

tl;dr: Ego death is certainly not something you could overcome with ayahuasca trips or 'blackpill' meditation, lmao.
BPP is a rare 101 IQ black person. He's a lot smarter than most of the underage users and probably actually slightly retarded(I mean that literally) users on this forum, but otherwise you can't expect him to come up with good takes 100% of the time.
If you look at some of his white envy posts, it's obvious that his thinking process isn't immune from emotional bias, which is why he was able to think of something so retarded which is the "ego" post that this thread is about.
 
Tell me more. Very interesting read overall ngl.
gladly, what this forum doesn't get about sexual revolution it's that it was an effort almost entirely pushed by other men -- D.H. Lawrence, Wilhelm Reich and later Alfred Kinsey who were so eager to prove the dire effects of 'sexual repression' that they sounded more radical than second generation feminists at the time.

What finally culminates in the 1960s as the philosophy 'free love' is marked by a rise of std's and unwanted pregnancies which in turn causes the feminist movement to split into two factions; the sex-positive one, and the radical feminist one that problematizes 'rape culture'. Turns out many women felt under pressure to 'share the love' with sub8 horny hippies so radfems counter the slogan of 'free love' with 'love me less, respect me more' . In the end female libido just couldn't cope with the 'egalitarian' demands of the sexual revolution.

The #metoo movement today is marked by a schizo overlap between sex positive and radical feminism, which articulates itself in a impossible demand; "you shouldn't sexually objectify me, unless you're good looking".

The latter sounds very similar to severe dissociation.
It's not a useful state or really even desirable, it's more just an approximation of schizophrenia.

As a general question to you, has anyone found physical proof of an ego or mind? Do you believe that there is more to our minds than basic chemistry? It feels much like God to me in that it is something that relies on belief.
The "I" that emerges in us undoubtedly refers to a system that generates this thought, the only thing that isn't clear is if this is really the self. But following the logic the 'it's not real because it's illusory' misses the point. Is language, the system of signifiers signifying ideas and concepts in our mind we acquire culturally then also worthless illusion? Can you imagine doing without it? Pattern recognition, language, mapmaking, and categorization are all located in the left brain, and the evidence suggests that it is exactly these types of functions that collectively lead to the sensation of a self and the strong belief in its absolute truth.
 
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