Regarding tachyons and free will

[failmaxxed]

Free will does not exist. The concept of destiny is an immutable fate, something that cannot be avoided. An omnipresent future brought about by actions. Predetermined actions. If destiny is true, then free will cannot exist, as your actions are set in stone; predetermined; unavoidable.
Now consider tachyons. Quantum particles that move backwards in time (hypothetically). If these are ever proven to be real, than we know that the future exists, as that is where these particles originate from. If the future already exists, then we are living in the past, present and future (of our past). If the future has already / is / continuing to occur, then destiny is real. Your future is sealed and you have no free will.
But it matters not, because of entropy. Eventually everything in this universe will die and cease to exist, even the timeless, ageless immortal stars which mock our mortality; they too will be silenced. Forever. All of existence may have been trillions of trillions of years. But nothingness will come, and last an eternity. And in the face of eternity, everything is redundant. Meaningless.

 

[needsolution]

nice but didnt really read

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Now consider tachyons. Quantum particles that move backwards in time (hypothetically). If these are ever proven to be real, than we know that the future exists, as that is where these particles originate from. If the future already exists, then we are living in the past, present and future (of our past). If the future has already / is / continuing to occur, then destiny is real. Your future is sealed and you have no free will.
But it matters not, because of entropy. Eventually everything in this universe will die and cease to exist, even the timeless, ageless immortal stars which mock our mortality; they too will be silenced. Forever. All of existence may have been trillions of trillions of years. But nothingness will come, and last an eternity. And in the face of eternity, everything is redundant. Meaningless.

Well first off, the proposed heat death of the universe is very much up for debate as to whether or not it will occur, or if it will happen in the manner that we think it will. But regardless, this doesn't mean everything will cease to exist, only that entropy will cease because it's no longer possible and the universe has reached it's final state. So I guess it depends upon what you mean.

But more interestingly this also touches on the idea of existence itself. If moving backwards possible for particles, then that means we're both alive and dead all at once, as the future exists in unison with the past and present. But when you think about it, this doesn't really make sense, at least if we subscribe to the reasoning that consciousness exists within the universe, and not the other way around.

If time is predetermined and relative, then that means nothing can ever truly cease to exist, rather everything merely changes form. We know this already. But to be clearer, when you realize that objects are arbitrary divisions/classifications based upon the whim of whomever perceives them, and that there is no true separation between objects at all, rather they're all just clusters of elements which we designate as "objects" or "things" to better understand them, then it becomes obvious that everything that does exist has always existed, it's only the form which constantly changes(expansion and entropy).

My point is that is that for all of this to be true, then it should logically follow that consciousness can never truly cease to exist, but that doesn't make sense based upon what we understand of the physical world. Hence I think that this is yet another argument which suggests that we're creating reality within our own minds(which isn't really refutable anymore, it's the exact nature and source of this perception which is up for debate), but more than that, we must somehow exist outside of it, or beyond it. However the perceiver can never see itself, not in it's entirety, never understand it's own nature, so there is no way to know for sure.

 

[Joelossus]

nice but didnt really read

Are you afraid of him?

 

[needsolution]

Are you afraid of him?

Yes

 

[Joelossus]

Yes

Hide in @2340922 trashcan

 

[needsolution]

Hide in @2340922 trashcan

No

 

[Joelossus]

No

Why not?

 

[needsolution]

Why not?

He bully

 

[Deleted member 21504]

Yeah, based.

 

[Joelossus]

He bully

You should dominate him, and make him suffer tbh. This forum is a friendly place we don't need no bullies.

 

[2340922]

Hide in @2340922 trashcan

 

[Joelossus]

Didn’t know you had 3 of them tbh.

 

[2340922]

Didn’t know you had 3 of them tbh.

everywheere

 

[Joelossus]

everywheere

I kinda feel the urge to break your spine now.

 

[2340922]

I kinda feel the urge to break your spine now.

Why

 

[Joelossus]

Why

Because you scare me

 

[2340922]

Because you scare me

Really how im just hiding forgive me

 

[Joelossus]

Really how im just hiding forgive me

Because a normal man wouldn't be in posesion of so many trash cans. So i suspect that you must be a gangster.

 

[2340922]

Because a normal man wouldn't be in posesion of so many trash cans. So i suspect that you must be a gangster.

Im in no gang sadly icant even have friends how can i be in gang?

 

[Joelossus]

Im in no gang sadly icant even have friends how can i be in gang?

You're a one man gang tbh. You attack people and then hide in one of your million trashcans so they can never find you and accuse you of your crimes.

 

[2340922]

You're a one man gang tbh. You attack people and then hide in one of your million trashcans so they can never find you and accuse you of your crimes.

Shhhhh
U CANT TALKS ABOUT ILLEGAL TOPICS ON HERE

 

[Joelossus]

Shhhhh
U CANT TALKS ABOUT ILLEGAL TOPICS ON HERE

I'm sorry please don't throw bricks at me.

 

[2340922]

I'm sorry please don't throw bricks at me.

Reported

 

[Joelossus]

Reported

No please forgive me

 

[RandomGuy]

Implicate and explicate order

 

[2340922]

No please forgive me

U have been forgiven guitar man

 

[ryhan]

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Implicate and explicate order

(((david BOHM))) and his (((determinism)))

Free will does not exist. The concept of destiny is an immutable fate, something that cannot be avoided. An omnipresent future brought about by actions. Predetermined actions. If destiny is true, then free will cannot exist, as your actions are set in stone; predetermined; unavoidable.
Now consider tachyons. Quantum particles that move backwards in time (hypothetically). If these are ever proven to be real, than we know that the future exists, as that is where these particles originate from. If the future already exists, then we are living in the past, present and future (of our past). If the future has already / is / continuing to occur, then destiny is real. Your future is sealed and you have no free will.
But it matters not, because of entropy. Eventually everything in this universe will die and cease to exist, even the timeless, ageless immortal stars which mock our mortality; they too will be silenced. Forever. All of existence may have been trillions of trillions of years. But nothingness will come, and last an eternity. And in the face of eternity, everything is redundant. Meaningless.

First of all tachyon are hypothetical we don't even know if they exist such a thing sounds impossible logically anyways how can something exist in all states past present and future ? that conflicts with basic reasoning.

Also their is a theory called the evolving b theory the idea consists that the future is changing constantly so we don't live in a fatalistic universe if this theory is true.

But even then were assuming these tachyon exist which most likely they don't.

 

[Joelossus]

U have been forgiven guitar man

Thank you trashcan man.

 

[2340922]

Thank you trashcan man.

Np