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PUA poisons the mind of men

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PUA teaches you to manipulate women, sells their trick as something magical, when in reality they are nothing but manipulation techniques.
It is not only unethical but even lowers a man chance and poisons his mind.

Any man will get far better results by looksmaxing, groommaxing, read normal self-help books and approach women normally, than following PUA non-sense.

Basically anything which triggers your greed is something one should stay away from.

This thing is applicable to both - PUA and Money Making courses.
 
much needed when dealing with toilets because they arent human enough to be delt with without those techniques. especially for sub8 men... .
 
much needed when dealing with toilets because they arent human enough to be delt with without those techniques. especially for sub8 men... .
It only lowers your chance in long term.
PUA techniques are sales technique and foids detect them easily.
Being honest works better.
 
It only lowers your chance in long term.
PUA techniques are sales technique and foids detect them easily.
Being honest works better.
thats why subtlety wins. a solipsistic emotionalist can only be impressed with emotional tricks and ups and downs. just dont be chode enough ot be detected. be smooth about it and appear as it is your natural self.... .
 
thats why subtlety wins. a solipsistic emotionalist can only be impressed with emotional tricks and ups and downs. just dont be chode enough ot be detected. be smooth about it and appear as it is your natural self.... .
If PUA actually worked, PUA coaches should have wifed up a rich, intelligent and high quality women.
But most of them are either single fucking paid women, or with below average looking women.
None of them have any high quality women.
It works only in short term on dumb women only.
 
If PUA actually worked, PUA coaches should have wifed up a rich, intelligent and high quality women.
But most of them are either single fucking paid women, or with below average looking women.
None of them have any high quality women.
It works only in short term on dumb women only.
dont blame the system, but the IQ of the implementers. a high iq htn-chadlite, can definitely marry a high value htb-stacylite if he plays his cards right. he can even be a bit uglier than her as long as he finds her niche signals like feminism etc and plays along in a natural enough degree... .
 
dont blame the system, but the IQ of the implementers. a high iq htn-chadlite, can definitely marry a high value htb-stacylite if he plays his cards right. he can even be a bit uglier than her as long as he finds her niche signals like feminism etc and plays along in a natural enough degree... .
Some PUA coaches have even committed suicide.
They use paid women in their videos.
Most PUA coaches are single or married with poor, unemployed and below average looking women and you want to believe that these techniques work.
They only lowers your chance.
 
Some PUA coaches have even committed suicide.
They use paid women in their videos.
Most PUA coaches are single or married with poor, unemployed and below average looking women and you want to believe that these techniques work.
They only lowers your chance.
agreed they were ltns and truecels. they just met their genetic deadend both for looks and cerebral reasons. thats why they had to resort to escorts.
 
agreed they were ltns and truecels. they just met their genetic deadend both for looks and cerebral reasons. thats why they had to resort to escorts.
Manipulation lowers your chance in long term, be it in any relationship.
Can I manipulate you and be your friend for long term ? No ?
I might manipulate you initially to get something from you but never in long term.
It works similarly for women.
PUA ruins men.
 
Manipulation lowers your chance in long term, be it in any relationship.
Can I manipulate you and be your friend for long term ? No ?
I might manipulate you initially to get something from you but never in long term.
It works similarly for women.
PUA ruins men.
foid opinion imo. without game , there is no coexistence with toilets. they cant handle reality and raw masculinity without filters and pretence and faking it and us walking on eggshells around them.. .
 
foid opinion imo. without game , there is no coexistence with toilets. they cant handle reality and raw masculinity without filters and pretence and faking it and us walking on eggshells around them.. .
If PUA really worked, PUA coaches should have married with rich and high quality women.
But They don't .
Most are married to below average looking, dumb, unemployed women. Or are single fuckign paid women.
Few have even committed suicide.
It is as simple as that.
 
If PUA really worked, PUA coaches should have married with rich and high quality women.
But They don't .
Most are married to below average looking, dumb, unemployed women. Or are single fuckign paid women.
Few have even committed suicide.
It is as simple as that.
we already discussed why. not good enough actors. and not handsome enough for foids to invest tingles over them... .
 
PUA is a rest of boomer culture in GenZ its the idea that anyone can make it if he just tries hard enough.
Those "techniques" are bs if your sub8 they wont work and if your above 8 you dont need them.

And even if they would work, what exactly is the plan about this, you fake to be an "alpha" male with high confidence (as women would give rats ass about your confidence) what is your plan after this, not even the best actors could fake their personality for the rest of their life but you expect the average guy to do so?
Its a castle build on sand at best which disappears with the first wave. As soon as there is a spontaneous situation and your personality gets truely tested your true self will show
 
PUA is a rest of boomer culture in GenZ its the idea that anyone can make it if he just tries hard enough.
Those "techniques" are bs if your sub8 they wont work and if your above 8 you dont need them.

And even if they would work, what exactly is the plan about this, you fake to be an "alpha" male with high confidence (as women would give rats ass about your confidence) what is your plan after this, not even the best actors could fake their personality for the rest of their life but you expect the average guy to do so?
Its a castle build on sand at best which disappears with the first wave. As soon as there is a spontaneous situation and your personality gets truely tested your true self will show
thats human reality nature boy. we gaslight and trick eachothers till reproduction happens. if you really think about it even a few minutes could be enough. especially for chad. post relationship clarity will always come to foids. you just have to tie them down with kids and shit so its harder for them to leave you. dark triads naturally game foids for decades because their personality itself is the pua technique, lol
 
we gaslight and trick eachothers till reproduction happens.
Is that why marriage was invented so that couples were forced together for the rest of their lifes after tricking eachother?
And before marriage was invented men raped women without the need to trick them into consenting, so no its not human reality
if you really think about it even a few minutes could be enough. especially for chad.
No not especially, only for Chad (but he doesnt need it anyway) if your an average guy your only chance to have sex is through longterm relationships.
post relationship clarity will always come to foids.
Is that why they mourn after their abusive chad bf who is imprisoned after nearly killing her
you just have to tie them down with kids and shit so its harder for them to leave you.
How should this make it harder for them to leave you, they will always find a new betabuxxed even if they have two kids from two fathers.
Actually it makes the whole thing easier for them since they dont even need to marry you to live of your ass after leaving you when she has kids of yours. And if your poor well then another betabuxx
dark triads naturally game foids for decades because their personality itself is the pua technique, lol
Yeah Im sure quasimodo would fuck all the bitches if he just acted like James Bond or Parrick Bateman. Do you really believe this stuff or are you just ragebaiting?
 
Can't manipulate shit if you are below HTN.
 
thats human reality nature boy. we gaslight and trick eachothers till reproduction happens. if you really think about it even a few minutes could be enough. especially for chad. post relationship clarity will always come to foids. you just have to tie them down with kids and shit so its harder for them to leave you. dark triads naturally game foids for decades because their personality itself is the pua technique, lol
If a man just looksmax, groommax and develop a positive mindset, learn basic humour and honest flirting skills and approach women honestly either online or offline, he will be getting much better result in long term than following PUA stuff.
 
If a man just looksmax, groommax and develop a positive mindset, learn basic humour and honest flirting skills and approach women honestly either online or offline, he will be getting much better result in long term than following PUA stuff.
foid take btw... .
 
Is that why marriage was invented so that couples were forced together for the rest of their lifes after tricking eachother?
And before marriage was invented men raped women without the need to trick them into consenting, so no its not human reality

No not especially, only for Chad (but he doesnt need it anyway) if your an average guy your only chance to have sex is through longterm relationships.

Is that why they mourn after their abusive chad bf who is imprisoned after nearly killing her

How should this make it harder for them to leave you, they will always find a new betabuxxed even if they have two kids from two fathers.
Actually it makes the whole thing easier for them since they dont even need to marry you to live of your ass after leaving you when she has kids of yours. And if your poor well then another betabuxx

Yeah Im sure quasimodo would fuck all the bitches if he just acted like James Bond or Parrick Bateman. Do you really believe this stuff or are you just ragebaiting?
cope. the mourning is just her own emotions hyping him up and rationalising her wasted time (because for foids you dying proves you were a weak male after all). foids dont love like we do, its purely commercial to them. and everyone manipulates. game=manipulation basically. to put it more simply, its emotionally prompting other people to do your bidding. even babies do it when they hold their breath till they turn blue, to get the attention of the parents... .
 
foid take btw... .
You didn't answer my question satisfactorily.
If PUA stuffs really works -
1. Why have few PUA coaches committed suicide ? - They are PUA coach, Couldn't they even find ONE woman ?
2. Why most PUA coaches are with below average and poor women ? Can't they find rich high quality women ?
3. Why are many PUA coaches single ?

If PUA really gets you woman, then these things shouldn't have happened.
 
You didn't answer my question satisfactorily.
If PUA stuffs really works -
1. Why have few PUA coaches committed suicide ? - They are PUA coach, Couldn't they even find ONE woman ?
2. Why most PUA coaches are with below average and poor women ? Can't they find rich high quality women ?
3. Why are many PUA coaches single ?

If PUA really gets you woman, then these things shouldn't have happened.
1. Because people can be depressed for multiple reasons. Maybe they're great at starting relationships but suck at maintaining them.
2. What is this based off?
3) Once again what is this based off?

I do think PUA shit is bullshit though. Just because someones method of flirting works for them doesn't mean it will work for you.
 
You didn't answer my question satisfactorily.
If PUA stuffs really works -
1. Why have few PUA coaches committed suicide ? - They are PUA coach, Couldn't they even find ONE woman ?
2. Why most PUA coaches are with below average and poor women ? Can't they find rich high quality women ?
3. Why are many PUA coaches single ?

If PUA really gets you woman, then these things shouldn't have happened.
will answer.
1)they get blackpilled and dont evolve a natural chill blue pill cosmotheory like normies and many chads.
2)they realise toilets arent the gods they wrongfully worshipped all those years but are shit.
3)low iq as we said to psychopathically implement game at an undetectable level (most men deep down want to simp and want a fuckmommy to take care of them. so keeping frame etc is exhausting).
4)bad mental genetics making them more prone to sui ideation.
 
1. Because people can be depressed for multiple reasons. Maybe they're great at starting relationships but suck at maintaining them.
2. What is this based off?
3) Once again what is this based off?

I do think PUA shit is bullshit though. Just because someones method of flirting works for them doesn't mean it will work for you.
Flirting only works when they’re already psychically attracted to you
 
the mourning is just her own emotions hyping him up and rationalising her wasted time
Cope, look at the love letters Ted Bundy recieved, just for example

game=manipulation basically
Thats your problem game=cope Im sure your able to assume by yourself what follows after this
to put it more simply, its emotionally prompting other people to do your bidding. even babies do it when they hold their breath till they turn blue, to get the attention of the parents... .
So foids dont care about you at all, they have no feelings for you, but for some reason they care about you if you manipulate them or try to kill yourself, why do they care about you then if they didnt care about you in the first place.

Also you tried to prove one of my points wrong, I gues because you couldnt with amy of my other points.
Just forget all the lies that where implented in your brain by redpillers and take the black pill instead of coping thats its all just game and you could just manipulate women into having sex with you.
Or ask yourself that why are you here on this platform, when you already know all the secret technics to have sex no matter how you look?
 
1. Because people can be depressed for multiple reasons. Maybe they're great at starting relationships but suck at maintaining them.
2. What is this based off?
3) Once again what is this based off?

I do think PUA shit is bullshit though. Just because someones method of flirting works for them doesn't mean it will work for you.
You are yourself accepting pua is bullshit.
You can search any PUA coach. 80 % of the time they are single.
If ever they are with wife, the wife is low quality poor and a leech to them.
 
Cope, look at the love letters Ted Bundy recieved, just for example


Thats your problem game=cope Im sure your able to assume by yourself what follows after this

So foids dont care about you at all, they have no feelings for you, but for some reason they care about you if you manipulate them or try to kill yourself, why do they care about you then if they didnt care about you in the first place.

Also you tried to prove one of my points wrong, I gues because you couldnt with amy of my other points.
Just forget all the lies that where implented in your brain by redpillers and take the black pill instead of coping thats its all just game and you could just manipulate women into having sex with you.
Or ask yourself that why are you here on this platform, when you already know all the secret technics to have sex no matter how you look?
stop coping and miseterpreting my words. all your questions i have answered them in my posts on the site.
game works, non game also works. everything works if you are not dysgenic enough.
also it goes without saying the more experience foids give you, the better you learn to emotionally regulate and manipulate them.

but you keep coping. and the cope is similar in both you and the red pillers.
no logical buttons to press on foids. be it a pickup line, or a jaw symmetry.
foids create their own ideation of why you matter. which also explains your loyalty question.
Foids are only loyal to their emotions.
 
You are yourself accepting pua is bullshit.
You can search any PUA coach. 80 % of the time they are single.
If ever they are with wife, the wife is low quality poor and a leech to them.
yes bro, because pua is an incel with high enough narcissicm (failed narcissist though, didnt have the IQ and physical genes to be a successful one).
thats why they collapse. because they realise the juice aint worth the squeeze (FOR THEM)
 
stop coping and miseterpreting my words. all your questions i have answered them in my posts on the site.
game works, non game also works. everything works if you are not dysgenic enough.
also it goes without saying the more experience foids give you, the better you learn to emotionally regulate and manipulate them.

but you keep coping. and the cope is similar in both you and the red pillers.
no logical buttons to press on foids. be it a pickup line, or a jaw symmetry.
foids create their own ideation of why you matter. which also explains your loyalty question.
Foids are only loyal to their emotions.
So your actually believing this

First Im not gonna read through all your posts, your not special and interesting enough to spend that much effort. This is just peak woke like argumentation, I proved all your arguments wrong in my 1000 page essay referencing 10 other 1000 page essay's

Im not missinterpreting your words, or give me example where and why.

"Game works. Non game also works" so your actually telling me your juat said bs since game as you by yourself just said makes no difference if both game and non game work
everything works if you are not dysgenic enough.
This proves everything I said
also it goes without saying the more experience foids give you, the better you learn to emotionally regulate and manipulate them.
But you by yourself said before
if you really think about it even a few minutes could be enough.
So what is it? Does it require a relationship to learn how to manipulate or are just a few minutes?
Or do you need to manipulate a women into a relationship by skills you learn through beeing in a relationship? And if thats the case how comes humanity didnt go extinct
no logical buttons to press on foids.
So its all just gambling or what? And what the actual fuck, how does it come that we have on this in the must read sections dozens of papers and studies referenced on womens preferences when it comes to finding a mating partner? Did those people just imagined numbers and wrote them in their statistics or what?
which also explains your loyalty question.
What loyalty question are you even talking about?
foids create their own ideation of why you matter.
And Im sure you want me to believe in this because you said this and you cant give any prove for your thesis
 
First Im not gonna read through all your posts, your not special and interesting enough to spend that much effort.
skill issue

This is just peak woke like argumentation, I proved all your arguments wrong in my 1000 page essay referencing 10 other 1000 page essay's
what 1000 page essay
Im not missinterpreting your words, or give me example where and why.

"Game works. Non game also works" so your actually telling me your juat said bs since game as you by yourself just said makes no difference if both game and non game work

This proves everything I said

But you by yourself said before

So what is it? Does it require a relationship to learn how to manipulate or are just a few minutes?
Or do you need to manipulate a women into a relationship by skills you learn through beeing in a relationship? And if thats the case how comes humanity didnt go extinct
everyone manipulates everyone. its called interpersonal skills. motive also matters. humans are emotional beings and need prompting towards certain directions.
idk why its so hard for you to grasp.
i go in more details here.
 
skill issue


what 1000 page essay

everyone manipulates everyone. its called interpersonal skills. motive also matters. humans are emotional beings and need prompting towards certain directions.
idk why its so hard for you to grasp.
i go in more details here.
experience at something obviously makes you better at something. but you get experience only when you are 4+ and at a certain level of NT. its not a numbers game as the other guy said in that thread. number game means sub4s have hopes... .
 
skill issue

what 1000 page essay
This is your argument read through all of this otherwise you have no right critisizing me.

And again you dont reference 90% f what Im saying and where proved mostly with your own words that you say bs
everyone manipulates everyone. its called interpersonal skills. motive also matters. humans are emotional beings and need prompting towards certain directions.
idk why its so hard for you to grasp.
I have no problem with understanding what youre saying, what you dont want to understand is that I disagree with what you are saying. Mani doesnt matter if you dont look good enough. If you are ugly you can manipulate all you want and still dont have sex. And even if your average looking manipulating women wont get you laid. All of this "interpersonal skills" only help you if your already looking good and then they dont matter anymore, since you dont need an advantage over 90% of the population anymore.
experience at something obviously makes you better at something. but you get experience only when you are 4+ and at a certain level of NT. its not a numbers game as the other guy said in that thread. number game means sub4s have hopes... .
I never argued anyone else then you in this thread so why do you want to point out a smth I never referenced?
 
This is your argument read through all of this otherwise you have no right critisizing me.

And again you dont reference 90% f what Im saying and where proved mostly with your own words that you say bs

I have no problem with understanding what youre saying, what you dont want to understand is that I disagree with what you are saying. Mani doesnt matter if you dont look good enough. If you are ugly you can manipulate all you want and still dont have sex. And even if your average looking manipulating women wont get you laid. All of this "interpersonal skills" only help you if your already looking good and then they dont matter anymore, since you dont need an advantage over 90% of the population anymore.

I never argued anyone else then you in this thread so why do you want to point out a smth I never referenced?
learn to read. game has already been explained.
 
learn to read. game has already been explained.
You literally confirmed there what I said
That your whole talk about manipulation only gets you laid if your attractive enough.

Or is it about your whole muhh everyone is manipulating everyone insight you wrote down. Like I would even at single point questioned that.
And if everyone is manipulating everyone and its just normal social interaction then you just got rid of the necessity of the whole term manipulation. So why pointing it out if everyone is doing it always to anyone?

And again you literally answer nothing
 
true.
His whole posts are full of contradiction.

Like this one also
Im not so sure if he by himself knows what even wants to say or what his point even is
 
PUA teaches you to manipulate women, sells their trick as something magical, when in reality they are nothing but manipulation techniques.
It is not only unethical but even lowers a man chance and poisons his mind.

Any man will get far better results by looksmaxing, groommaxing, read normal self-help books and approach women normally, than following PUA non-sense.

Basically anything which triggers your greed is something one should stay away from.

This thing is applicable to both - PUA and Money Making courses.
ur face is ur pua
 
You literally confirmed there what I said
That your whole talk about manipulation only gets you laid if your attractive enough.

Or is it about your whole muhh everyone is manipulating everyone insight you wrote down. Like I would even at single point questioned that.
And if everyone is manipulating everyone and its just normal social interaction then you just got rid of the necessity of the whole term manipulation. So why pointing it out if everyone is doing it always to anyone?

And again you literally answer nothing
its spectrums of gray, gray. one foid is more susceptible to manipulation. one less. the same foid changes moods and sensitivities in her own monthly cycle. social influences also affect their hivemind. also they seek different things. one is more pro empathy one more pro risk and hypermasc features. even the forms of the HTNs they choose vastly differ usually... . we agree that it becomes more effective with better looksbut it is just the narrative in her head changing. "aww hes not manipulative, he cares for me unlike my loser eeexxx". no you stupid bih he is manipulative you just reread his intent with chad goggles. but not so many chads around. so the rest of you need to study foid psychology...
 
its spectrums of gray,
What is a spectrum of gray? That everyone is manipulating everyone? Or that some people if are easier to manipulate then others?
If its the second I never adressed that in anyway so why are you? If its the second its just a nothing burger.
one foid is more susceptible to manipulation. one less.
Nothing burger
the same foid changes moods and sensitivities in her own monthly cycle.
Why are you telling all this pointless stuff that nobody asked for and you dont make a point out of it, you just type stuff unrelated to the things I wrote.
social influences also affect their hivemind. also they seek different things. one is more pro empathy one more pro risk and hypermasc features. even the forms of the HTNs they choose vastly differ usually... .
What does any of this has to do with one of the points I made throughout our discussion.
Could you please stop arguing things no one ever questioned and just answer to what the other person wrote you.
we agree that it becomes more effective with better looksbut it is just the narrative in her head changing.
No I said that "manipulation" only works if you reached an certain point of attractivness, before reaching this point its useless, you could also just not manipulate, it wouldnt change anything
so the rest of you need to study foid psychology...
No because Im nothing near Chadlite so foid psychology wouldnt help at anything
 
What is a spectrum of gray? That everyone is manipulating everyone? Or that some people if are easier to manipulate then others?
If its the second I never adressed that in anyway so why are you? If its the second its just a nothing burger.

Nothing burger

Why are you telling all this pointless stuff that nobody asked for and you dont make a point out of it, you just type stuff unrelated to the things I wrote.

What does any of this has to do with one of the points I made throughout our discussion.
Could you please stop arguing things no one ever questioned and just answer to what the other person wrote you.

No I said that "manipulation" only works if you reached an certain point of attractivness, before reaching this point its useless, you could also just not manipulate, it wouldnt change anything

No because Im nothing near Chadlite so foid psychology wouldnt help at anything
skill issue mate honestly. you dont have to appear to foids' lust instincts. there are also mother instincts, pity instincts etc. you need to know which buttons to press. me for example at work i am the creepy and ugly guy that half foids have to take the longer path to avoid yes. but also everything related to bonuses or leaving food to etc, they leave it for me because i cultivated this image of a hardworking and very kind but unfortunate guy. so their pity, combined with my kindness and their empathy for my projected situation gives me some advantages at work. like being given projects with extra bonuses, extra food in every company gathering buffet etc. but promotions no, these are saved for chads and the manager's relatives. but idc about promotions anyways. because that would just mean extra responsibilities despite the higher basic salary... .
 
if i were just my true cynical and foids hating self at work, all these bonuses and special treatment would be gone. and foids would have my ugly ass fired long ago. even things like standing when the female vice manager appears and greeting with a smile, all played a role in the special treatment i occasionally get. like they've even caught me playing video games once and said nothing.... . (they thought i was taking a small break after hyperfocusing on the project).
 
skill issue mate honestly. you dont have to appear to foids' lust instincts. there are also mother instincts, pity instincts etc.
You can do that but it wont help you to get laid, pity sex is an invention of hollywood. And mother instinct? Do you want her to make you your lunch?
but also everything related to bonuses or leaving food to etc, they leave it for me because i cultivated this image of a hardworking and very kind but unfortunate guy.
This is saddest thing I have ever rode. This is what you base your system of manipulation on? Your happy that you get free food and some bonuses as wageslave?
I mean good for you, if thats what you want in life this is good for you.
But to me this sounds even worse then some Betabuxx crying about his gf not having sex with the last month.

I honestly feel bad for arguing with you the last two days. This is sad. And the fact that you think you wricked the system to your advantage is even sadder.
 
if i were just my true cynical and foids hating self at work, all these bonuses and special treatment would be gone. and foids would have my ugly ass fired long ago. even things like standing when the female vice manager appears and greeting with a smile, all played a role in the special treatment i occasionally get. like they've even caught me playing video games once and said nothing.... . (they thought i was taking a small break after hyperfocusing on the project).
I understand why those girls feel pity for you, youre a simp who thinks he's James Bond
 
You can do that but it wont help you to get laid, pity sex is an invention of hollywood. And mother instinct? Do you want her to make you your lunch?

This is saddest thing I have ever rode. This is what you base your system of manipulation on? Your happy that you get free food and some bonuses as wageslave?
I mean good for you, if thats what you want in life this is good for you.
But to me this sounds even worse then some Betabuxx crying about his gf not having sex with the last month.

I honestly feel bad for arguing with you the last two days. This is sad. And the fact that you think you wricked the system to your advantage is even sadder.
i mean you are not Meeks to have a billionaire foid give you free housing and coke. what you gonna do? you sound like a basementcel that ddidnt even have to work one day in his life. just because you can afford NEETing cause parents are loaded, doesnt mean the rest of us arent finding alternative ways to survive. i'd very much like seeing you pulling that off and having normies think you are one of their hardest working employees and need extra support, while being the laziest. (and also doing some other things with company resources secretly that i wont share with a frenchcel neet glowie here...).
so yeah, i devised a strategy to survive with sub5 genes. thats where psychology of humans came in handy to me. the vicemanager even brought me a basket with wines and sweets for christmas. just because you are a cheese smelling frenchcel shutin that never had to outsmart a normie, doesnt mean none of us did. if you gotta wageslave, at least make the best out of it... .
 
I understand why those girls feel pity for you, youre a simp who thinks he's James Bond
"simping" takes a sub5 a long way if its strategically done. teehee cheesedick!
 

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