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Brutal Toilets and PUA: A love-hate relationship.

FoidsEnshittifyAll

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PUA coaches (roaches) in the 90s and up to mid 2010s made a good buck from desperate men who are too autism maxxed or just uglyhot without the hot part, to get foids on their own... .

What did they propose? Basically that you can "game" a woman to a drink, to giving you a phone number, to the bedroom. or even a relationship (which they called a long term game).

What is even game? Basically social skills targeted to foids. More specifically, every human-to-human interaction contains manipulation (emotionally prompting others to do our bidding, and maximising our image presentation). Even the baby that holds its breath till it turns blue, it manipulates its parents for attention and resources.

Is game cope? Yes? To a degree. All models are poor representations of the complexities of reality, lookism included if seen autistically and isolated.

Does game work? its a reverse logarithmic curve (exponential factor). The more Chad you are, the more effectiveness it gains. Even if the foids detect your motives or have heard again your apporach, they will pretend to play along just to see what you are up to. Or honestly just because they are horny for some chad meat, so they settle for your blatantly obvious game... .

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The hotter you are the less friction. The more tolerance she will have to your stupidity, violence, insults, failures, whatever it may be. the halo effect will cover it up.

But still she Will deconstruct you. Toilets live in a perpetual post-relationship clarity. The prince on the white horse doesnt exist (and she doesnt even want him to exist deep down). Ideation honeymoon phase

When she gets obsessed with a dark triad or a Chad , shes obsessed with her own tingles and fairytale narratives she built in her head about that Chad/man. Thats what made this ex mob boss wife capable to learn to fly a chopper and land it in the freaking jail yard to bail him out... .

So it could be dark triad tingles, good sex tingles, status tingles, shared narcissistic fantasy tingles. that make a foid do paranoid things for a man. its not love, its obsession. its not loyalty. she's only loyal to her own emotions and lore building.

Can truecels use game? Sure can but with little to no effect. They are too dysgenic in mind and body to make it seem natural, believable, and congruent to their projected identity. You have to first overcome her personal disgust and uncanny threshold to get into "lets entertain this chode's game attempts" mode... . Also you empathycels forget many foids are high inhib and if the htn/normie doesnt break the ice first she's super defensive. but to break the ice you need to not be an autistic denser than lead monotropic creepo. You need social proof by her friends and local status etc. Then eventually the tables can even be reversed and she begins gaming you insteaed, and trying to appeal to you. Which is the preferable state as a man to be with toilets (which psychos naturally do by having them apologise, validate and self doubt all the time, with tiny sprinkles of positive attention here and there which seem huge after the long droughts...).

For us the benefits are greatly diminished, and if uncareful you can even get seriously legally burnt or worse. But truecels if have to wageslave etc, can use some game principles, to minimise frictions with normies and maximise gains. aka machiavellianism maxxing in order to better survive despite his dysgenic state.
 
There is no such thing as game.

Getting girls is pure numbers game nothing else.

Paul Janka - 6 feet 2 inches. Has success rate of less than 1 % of approach.

From number to lay his success is 4 % - He got 3428 numbers and slept with 153 women at one point. That works out to about 4.4% success rate.

he practised in late 00s.
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There is no such thing as game or anything.

Approaching honestly and not manipulating actually increases your success rate as it signals safety to women.
 

PUA wastes your time nothign else.

The rule of thumb is Anything which triggers your greed is fake.
And PUA coaches triggers your greed.
 
There is no such thing as game.

Getting girls is pure numbers game nothing else.

Paul Janka - 6 feet 2 inches. Has success rate of less than 1 % of approach.

From number to lay his success is 4 % - He got 3428 numbers and slept with 153 women at one point. That works out to about 4.4% success rate.

he practised in late 00s.
2mediumPaulJanka.JPG


There is no such thing as game or anything.

Approaching honestly and not manipulating actually increases your success rate as it signals safety to women.
basement dweller approach. game is human2human skills as we said. just because you cant fathom they exist cause you never development doesnt mean normies out there dont hone them... .
 

PUA wastes your time nothign else.

The rule of thumb is Anything which triggers your greed is fake.
And PUA coaches triggers your greed.
well the opening sentence is about it being money milking scheme. but they found many gold nuggets about human psychology. you need discernment to see what works and what not
 
well the opening sentence is about it being money milking scheme. but they found many gold nuggets about human psychology. you need discernment to see what works and what not
Getting girls is pure numbers game, nothing else.
If PUA really is thing, why even good looking PUA coaches like Paul Janka has so less result ?
 
Getting girls is pure numbers game, nothing else.
If PUA really is thing, why even good looking PUA coaches like Paul Janka has so less result ?
because.... surprise surprise ... (and that will blow your mind out now).... . humans and life are complex! with billions of variables!!!
one foid just broke up. one was recently raped. one has her parents or strict landwhale friends watching and she can't reciprocate etc. thats why you need environmental and emotional awareness. and decide wether you are willing to play the longterm game with a foid etc.
if a mtn and a chadlite both have around 2-4% success rate, that undermines your monotropic perception of the blackpill itself. CHad should have 80% closing rate. isnt looks so absolute and universal that no toilet almost can deny the same chad? why dont all chads become puas to show 89% closing rates and become millionaires by all the desperate simp customers?
thus we conclude that game isnt enough. looks arent enough. nothing are enough. cause foids are solipsistic and hiveminded animals, that fall for their own tingles and fairytales. and when the conditions are ideal or good enough, the relationships happen.
but is it better being a bluepill fag or being aware of humans psychology to squeeze the most out of them? obviously the second... .
 
While I do agree manipulation is real.
Psychological tricks of manipulating someone is real.

But the problem is these PUA coaches sell these manipulating tricks as something magical. When in reality, they can easily be found in mainstream books.

Learning social and manipulation skill is good for interacting with people.

But these PUA coaches sell these tricks are something magical and underworld and scam people of their money.
they create dependency and keep releasing course and milking money from men.

Also these psychological tricks were always in old books like - how to win frirnds etc.

Mystery (Erik Von) can be acknowledged for systematizing these manipulation skills.
All other PUA coaches build on him and scammed people of their money.

But again at the end of the day getting girls is numbers game . Period.
No matter how much you cope with manipulation skills.

There are no shortcuts to success, which PUA makes you believe that they have secret trick which will get you girls magically.
 
While I do agree manipulation is real.
Psychological tricks of manipulating someone is real.

But the problem is these PUA coaches sell these manipulating tricks as something magical. When in reality, they can easily be found in mainstream books.

Learning social and manipulation skill is good for interacting with people.

But these PUA coaches sell these tricks are something magical and underworld and scam people of their money.
they create dependency and keep releasing course and milking money from men.

Also these psychological tricks were always in old books like - how to win frirnds etc.

Mystery (Erik Von) can be acknowledged for systematizing these manipulation skills.
All other PUA coaches build on him and scammed people of their money.

But again at the end of the day getting girls is numbers game . Period.
No matter how much you cope with manipulation skills.

There are no shortcuts to success, which PUA makes you believe that they have secret trick which will get you girls magically.
thats why psychos and dark triads do it better. manipulation is not tryhard to them. its part of their nature. thats how they get foids hooked for years. so yeah agreed the more natural it is the better. the more tryhard it is the faster it will collapse.
 
thats why psychos and dark triads do it better. manipulation is not tryhard to them. its part of their nature. thats how they get foids hooked for years. so yeah agreed the more natural it is the better. the more tryhard it is the faster it will collapse.
Manipulation is real.
But the problem is PUA is they sell these manipulation skill as something secret magic formula.
Basically the one who is manipulated is the one buying their course or attending their bootcamps.

There are thousands of mainstream books that teach you manipulation and psychological tricks. Anyone can download them for free and learn them.

PUA didn't discovered anything new. Just created propitiatory jargons in order to fool men and make money out of them.

But again - Being honest, vulnerable and playing numbers game get you more girls than learning manipulation.
 
Manipulation is real.
But the problem is PUA is they sell these manipulation skill as something secret magic formula.
Basically the one who is manipulated is the one buying their course or attending their bootcamps.

There are thousands of mainstream books that teach you manipulation and psychological tricks. Anyone can download them for free and learn them.

PUA didn't discovered anything new. Just created propitiatory jargons in order to fool men and make money out of them.

But again - Being honest, vulnerable and playing numbers game get you more girls than learning manipulation.
agreed. .they are selling ice to eskimos. but most sons in the west were raised by cucking single mothers who hated their fathers' masculinity. so men need to relearn these skills (ideally acquire them naturally and by friends like hyperNTs and Chads). worst case scenario as you said, read a few psychology books... .

in a few words you are strawmaning and arguing with the wall for no reason. i never advocated to pay for their lessons. maybe you did in the past and regreted it... .
 
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then you are not a black piller. thats one of the most radically antiblackpill positions. (and detached from reality if without nuances), so you are blaming us truecels that we havent hit on enough foids. thats what you are saying... .
I meant men who approach women i.e.normies.
 
Absolutely doesn't work for everyone
yeah its ridiculous and a grave insult to all truecels. from my real profiles ive approached over 10.000 foids. hows that statisticels? not high enough numbers game for you? idiots!
 
For us the benefits are greatly diminished, and if uncareful you can even get seriously legally burnt or worse. But truecels if have to wageslave etc, can use some game principles, to minimise frictions with normies and maximise gains. aka machiavellianism maxxing in order to better survive despite his dysgenic state.
Not sure exactly what "game principles" you mean, but I do agree that in the workplace you need to larp and to be be machiavellian to some extent.

What I do is I occasionally virtue signal (enough that they think i'm woke, but not enough so they think i'm being "performative") and I pretend to be divorced (at my age, people ask if you're married). I don't speak to female coworkers unless spoken to, which only happens when explicitly required for job related communication. I suggest everyone else here does the same.

Like what us oldfags used to say on 4chan, "hide your power level".
 
Not sure exactly what "game principles" you mean, but I do agree that in the workplace you need to larp and to be be machiavellian to some extent.

What I do is I occasionally virtue signal (enough that they think i'm woke, but not enough so they think i'm being "performative") and I pretend to be divorced (at my age, people ask if you're married). I don't speak to female coworkers unless spoken to, which only happens when explicitly required for job related communication. I suggest everyone else here does the same.

Like what us oldfags used to say on 4chan, "hide your power level".
bingo. its absolutely necessary for soyrvival iin this soyciety... .
 
PUA coaches (roaches) in the 90s and up to mid 2010s made a good buck from desperate men who are too autism maxxed or just uglyhot without the hot part, to get foids on their own... .

What did they propose? Basically that you can "game" a woman to a drink, to giving you a phone number, to the bedroom. or even a relationship (which they called a long term game).

What is even game? Basically social skills targeted to foids. More specifically, every human-to-human interaction contains manipulation (emotionally prompting others to do our bidding, and maximising our image presentation). Even the baby that holds its breath till it turns blue, it manipulates its parents for attention and resources.

Is game cope? Yes? To a degree. All models are poor representations of the complexities of reality, lookism included if seen autistically and isolated.

Does game work? its a reverse logarithmic curve (exponential factor). The more Chad you are, the more effectiveness it gains. Even if the foids detect your motives or have heard again your apporach, they will pretend to play along just to see what you are up to. Or honestly just because they are horny for some chad meat, so they settle for your blatantly obvious game... .

iu


The hotter you are the less friction. The more tolerance she will have to your stupidity, violence, insults, failures, whatever it may be. the halo effect will cover it up.

But still she Will deconstruct you. Toilets live in a perpetual post-relationship clarity. The prince on the white horse doesnt exist (and she doesnt even want him to exist deep down). Ideation honeymoon phase

When she gets obsessed with a dark triad or a Chad , shes obsessed with her own tingles and fairytale narratives she built in her head about that Chad/man. Thats what made this ex mob boss wife capable to learn to fly a chopper and land it in the freaking jail yard to bail him out... .

So it could be dark triad tingles, good sex tingles, status tingles, shared narcissistic fantasy tingles. that make a foid do paranoid things for a man. its not love, its obsession. its not loyalty. she's only loyal to her own emotions and lore building.

Can truecels use game? Sure can but with little to no effect. They are too dysgenic in mind and body to make it seem natural, believable, and congruent to their projected identity. You have to first overcome her personal disgust and uncanny threshold to get into "lets entertain this chode's game attempts" mode... . Also you empathycels forget many foids are high inhib and if the htn/normie doesnt break the ice first she's super defensive. but to break the ice you need to not be an autistic denser than lead monotropic creepo. You need social proof by her friends and local status etc. Then eventually the tables can even be reversed and she begins gaming you insteaed, and trying to appeal to you. Which is the preferable state as a man to be with toilets (which psychos naturally do by having them apologise, validate and self doubt all the time, with tiny sprinkles of positive attention here and there which seem huge after the long droughts...).

For us the benefits are greatly diminished, and if uncareful you can even get seriously legally burnt or worse. But truecels if have to wageslave etc, can use some game principles, to minimise frictions with normies and maximise gains. aka machiavellianism maxxing in order to better survive despite his dysgenic state.
based
 
I am too autistic for this shit anyway
 

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