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Serious Prison justice is a myth

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Edmund_Kemper

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if a guy goes to prison for crimes like rape, child molestation, killing children, or sleeping with jb teens, people always say "dOn'T wOrRy, iNmAtEs hAtE pEoPLe LiKe HiM. He'S gOnNa GeT RaPeD iN tHeRe aNd MuRdErEd". all i can say to those people is dream on. this prison justice shit doesn't happen as much as people say it does. @Robtical and I had an awesome discussion about this. sex offenders don't always get beaten up or killed or raped in prison. it might happen to some in prison, especially in states like California, but it doesn't happen to all of them. there's many who it doesn't happen to. I read a research paper called "Sex Offenders in Prison: Are They Socially Isolated?" and according to the paper about sex offenders in the Netherlands, while sex offenders can get attacked or treated negatively in prison, a lot of them experience social isolation instead. It's also common for sex offenders to be in protective custody or their own unit away from the general population. Also, i read that when sex offenders are in low-security or minimum-security prisons, they don't get attacked. It's really rare for them to be attacked in low-security prisons. They usually are ostracized in those prisons. In medium-security prisons they can get attacked but not always. In high-security prisons they will get attacked, but I don't think that many get in high-security prison unless they're also a sex-killer or a serial sex offender. People in low security prisons aren't very violent because many are well-behaved to get out early because they're in there for only a few years, and many are arrested for white collar non-violent crimes.

People always assume that a guy will get killed and raped in prison if people are angry at his crimes. People are so brainwashed by this prison justice myth it's laughable. For example, I read about guys on the news who attacked or killed a gay person and everyone assumed the inmates would kill him for his crime, despite the fact that gay people are extremely hated in prison and most prison rape isn't done for homosexual desires and more for violence. I heard one guy speak about some cop killer and he assumed the cop killer would be killed in prison for his crime even though inmates have lots of respect for cop killers. I also have heard some people say that woman beaters and domestic abusers are attacked and hated in prison, but Lockdown 23and1 said this isn't true at all and that nothing happens to woman beaters/domestic abusers in prison. Woman beaters are a dime-a-dozen in prison. I heard you'll only cause an outrage in prison if you beat up a child or beat up your own grandma. XXXTentacion went to prison for domestic violence against his pregnant girlfriend and nothing happened to him. Also, I doubt mass shooters are hated in prison. Many inmates are murderers or armed robbers so I doubt they'll care if you're a mass shooter unless you shot up an elementary school or preschool. There are many mass shooters who are incarcerated and i never heard about any of them being attacked in prison.

Here's a list of people who everyone thought would be raped/killed in prison but it never (or probably never) happened to them:

*Chris Watts: A man who murdered his wife and his toddler daughters. I think the inmates would be more mad about the fact that he killed two toddlers. Everyone says Watts will be murdered in prison even if he's in solitary confinement or protective custody. they all are shocked he hasn't been killed yet. Nothing bad is happening to Watts in prison. He's basically all alone in his own cell and horrified by his own crimes and hearing his dead toddler daughter's voice in his head. he isn't being attacked in there.

*Alek Minassian: That bald british man Shaun Attwood who went to prison in Arizona said Alek would be tortured and murdered brutally in prison even if he's in solitary confinement for starting a massacre killing women. Guess what? The opposite happened. I read that when Alek went to prison, the other inmates were chatting with him and friendly and asking him curious questions. Nobody attacked him. Alek is still alive today.

*Scott Peterson: killed his pregnant wife in the early 2000s and killed the fetus too. Inmates would prolly be more mad about the murder of the fetus since that's murder of a baby. Scott Peterson is at San Quentin, and he's actually having a good time in there. He's having a good life and playing basketball.

*Richard Allen Davis: killed 12 year old girl Polly Klaas in the early 90s. on death row at San Quentin. He's still alive. Nobody killed him.

*Jesse Timmendequas: Raped and murdered 7 year old girl Megan Kanka in New Jersey in 1994. Originally sentenced to death, it was changed to life in prison without parole in 2007 when NJ abolished the death penalty. He's still alive in prison. Nobody killed him.

*Jared Fogle - the Subway guy in prison for child porn and plans to molest young children as young as 9 years old, engaging in sexual phone conversation with 9 year old, and plans to bang 16/17 year olds. He was put in a low-security prison. He WAS beaten up badly by inmate Steve Niggs in the low-security prison (like I said, i'm NOT saying they never get attacked in low-security prisons but it's just extremely rare for them to be attacked in low-security prisons). Although he was beaten up by Niggs, it was only one beating and Fogle was never attacked again. so he only was attacked just once. Nothing bad is happening to Fogle in prison. In fact, the opposite is happening. Ex-inmate Marc Brooks who went to prison with Fogle said that Fogle is having a very happy time in prison making meals, using the gym and movie theater in the prison and having a happy life. Jared does sometimes get funny jokes from inmates who say things like "Hey Subway guy are you gonna work next at Jimmy Johns?" but Jared is actually having a very happy time in prison.

*Austin Jones - a youtube guy who made song covers who received pornography from underage teens ages 13-15. Everyone said Austin would be raped to death in prison and even Shaun Attwood said this would happen even if he's in a sex offender unit but since Austin Jones is in a low-security federal prison, he's probably safe in there.

*Larry Nassar - Gymnastics doctor who molested over 200 young (usually underage) girls. He was all over the news in early 2018. Everyone thought he'd be raped or killed in prison. People thought he wouldn't survive a day in there and would be murdered a week after being sentenced. Guess what? That isn't happening to Larry in prison. Sure, he was assaulted one time in prison but it only happened ONCE. just ONCE and it was in the general population of a high-security prison, where sex offenders are most likely to be attacked. after that one assault, Larry was moved to a protective custody prison where only vulnerable inmates are locked up at, so everyone in his prison are people just like him who are also hated by inmates. he's at a prison where the whole place is protective custody, being at a protective custody prison, he's prolly safe. He's still alive.

*Gary Glitter: imprisoned for child porn, sex with jb teens and molesting children ages 10 or 11. The prison he's locked up at is a sex offender prison for only sex offenders and life there is actually very happy. Gary is still alive.

*Sean Jeffrey Foster. not famous or anything but there's a video about him on youtube. (2 vids) he molested a girl from when she was ages 9-14. then at 14 she told her parents. he's now in prison at Ramsey Unit. but i looked at the list of inmates in that prison and 50% of them are child molesters while the rest are murderers, so people like Sean are a dime a dozen in that prison. and he seems to be still alive since visiting him is available according to the inmate profile i found.

*John Wayne Gacy - i read he did well in prison.

*I know a guy who communicated with rehabilitated child sex offenders and those child sex offenders said they never were attacked in prison.

*i've heard there are more sex offenders in prison than you think. sometimes, in prison sex offenders are everywhere.

I also want to say that the reason inmates hate child molesters is NOT because they care about protecting minors. When 16/17 year old boys are put in adult prisons, they often get raped in there and are more likely to get raped in there than adult inmates. Also, often when inmates rape their victims, they call their victims a "girl" or "kid" and the inmate raping them refers to himself as daddy. sounds child molester-ish to me. also, i saw a video of beyond scared straight where these crips in prison attacked and screamed at a 13 year old boy because he wanted to join the bloods but he's only 13 ffs. also many inmates are in there for murder and may have killed someone who is a parent or uncle/aunt. the reason inmates hate child molesters is because of the hyper masculinity in there. they have this hierarchy of who commits the most "badass" crimes. crimes against little kids are considered "not badass" and instead "lame" because it requires no effort and isn't taking a risk and little kids are too tiny and vulnerable according to inmates (ironically inmates always attack weaker inmates but whatever) while crimes like bank robbery and murdering cops is considered the "cool, badass, manly" crimes that represent toughness and rebellion. that's why inmates hate child molesters, and many of them also do it for virtue signaling. many are in there for murder, armed robbery, domestic violence, theft, burglary, etc and are thus hated by society, so they hate on child molesters and sex offenders to get respect from society so society can ignore that they killed or robbed people because child molesters and sex offenders are the outcasts of society. this whole "at least i never molested kids so don't hate me" type of thinking. and when inmates kill a child molester in prison, it is NOT because they're angry at the child molester's crimes, they killed the child molester because in prison if you know someone is a child molester but don't kill them, you'll get attacked yourself. many inmates who kill sex offenders in prison are inmates who are on death row or given life or a long time and don't have a future to look forward to and feel like they have nothing to lose, this explains why when a child molester is killed on the news, it reports the inmate who killed the child molester was a convicted murderer in a high-security prison.

also, in some states, inmates don't have access to your paperwork, and therefore some sex offenders will hide their crime and inmates won't know about it. also, the reason why inmates hate rapists who rape adults is NOT because inmate hate rape. inmates rape each other a lot. they hate rapists who rape adults because in prison, if you're in there for any sex crime, you're considered a child molester regardless of the crime. even if you are 18 and fucked your 16 year old gf or are in there for indecent exposure and your crimes never involved children, you'd still be hated. if you urinated on a cop, it's a sex crime and you're hated. in prison, any crime categorized as a sex crime is considered bad regardless of the crime. that's the real reason why inmates also hate rapists who rape adults. it has nothing to do with being appalled by rape.
 
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Prison is based on normies flawed morals. such greed.
 
prison justice is bs made up because people wish it was true
In reality there are no morals rather self interest. I wish people would admit to this ngl.
 
In reality there are no morals rather self interest. I wish people would admit to this ngl.
people actually think that cold-blooded murderers in prison care about children?
 
Karma doesn't exist.

Always thought it was cucked to think a pos murderer looks down on a pedo.
 
Prison is jewish cope
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Prison is not fun at all.

Basically, it's a normie and chad "ghetto".

Killings from other inmates happens from time to time in Europe, but it's relatively rare, from what I heard.
Rape in prison is not common in Europe. Bullying and ostracism are very common, instead, both from prison guards and inmates.
 
Prison is not fun at all.

Basically, it's a normie and chad "ghetto".

Killings from other inmates happens from time to time in Europe, but it's relatively rare, from what I heard.
Rape in prison is not common in Europe. Bullying and ostracism are very common, instead, both from prison guards and inmates.
yep. i think bullying and being ostracized is what happens, not killing or rape or beatings
 
To your surprise beatings happens quite often in European prisons, it can be for almost nothing. There is a lot of unwritten rules and behavioral codes between prisoners, and if you break them you can be "punished" relatively hardly. But, rapes and killings are almost unheard of.
 
To your surprise beatings happens quite often in European prisons, it can be for almost nothing. There is a lot of unwritten rules and behavioral codes between prisoners, and if you break them you can be "punished" relatively hardly. But, rapes and killings are almost unheard of.
according to the study about sex offenders in netherlands prisons, sex offenders there seem to face more isolation than beatings
 
according to the study about sex offenders in netherlands prisons, sex offenders there seem to face more isolation than beatings
I'm not talking specifically about some type of offenders, but in general, regardless of their crimes. Statistics don't always show it, many inmates don't report this to the staff in fear of repercussions.
 
JFL :lul: :lul: :lul: At cucks who think "He beat foids he'll get what he deserves in prison" Like a group of hardcore killers give a shit if someone beat a foid.
 
I'm not talking specifically about some type of offenders, but in general, regardless of their crimes. Statistics don't always show it, many inmates don't report this to the staff in fear of repercussions.
yep. snitching is a bad idea in prison
JFL :lul: :lul: :lul: At cucks who think "He beat foids he'll get what he deserves in prison" Like a group of hardcore killers give a shit if someone beat a foid.
exactly. ex-inmates have said that nothing happens to woman beaters in prison. in fact, woman beaters are everywhere in prison.
 
@Joker @RREEEEEEEEE @Mainländer @Personalityinkwell @Robtical
 
Prison is a joke, the reason people end up in jail is because society failed them, not the other way around.
 
Prison is a joke, the reason people end up in jail is because society failed them, not the other way around.
studies have shown that isolation or violence in prison makes inmates more violent and increases recidivism. i don't think the criminal justice system should be about revenge no matter what. i think the justice system should never pander to our revenge desires or emotions. we should be about rehabilitation. sex offenders and child molesters have a low recidivism rate and so do murderers (only 1% of paroled/released killers kill again). domestic abusers also don't reoffend as much when they are going through rehabilitation programs.
 
yep. snitching is a bad idea in prison
Not only snitching, many other things, like not cleaning after oneself, taking more meal/drink than others (over the personal ration), making remarks or answer something the other person doesn't like; but basically it could be for almost anything. As I said, there are a lot of unwritten rules in prison. And, if you're weak, almost anybody will take advantage of you.
Prison is a joke, the reason people end up in jail is because society failed them, not the other way around.
You much it costs do keep someone in prison, in some countries it's over 500 euros per day - the price of a 4-5 stars hotel in a major city. This money should be better used, they are quite of European homeless people in WE, per example.
 
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Not only snitching, many other things, like not cleaning after oneself, taking more meal/drink than others (over the personal ration), making remarks or answer something the other person doesn't like; but basically it could be for almost anything. As I said, there are a lot of unwritten rules in prison. And, if you're weak, almost anybody will take advantage of you.
i bet bruce lee wouldn't be harmed in prison even if he molested kids
 
It is the law of the strongest, whatever one says.
the reason there's hyper-masculinity everywhere in prison is because in prison, in order to survive, you have to be as tough and manly as possible.
 
As a matter of fact, in Europe, criminal records are in the vast majority of countries not accessible publicly, only the person concerned can ask for it. Unlike USA, criminal records get erased after 1 to 20 years after conviction depending on the crime and punishment. Also, "life sentence" is extremely rarely life, in the vast majority, they are liberated after 10-18 years. In some countries, the maximum sentence is 15 years, referred to as "life".

Saying that, many criminals learn to stay under the radar while committing their crimes, actually in prison, or to mock the system and take advantage of it; some Outer-Europeans which are there for less than 3 years knows better how the system works and use it in their benefit, than a European 80 yo grandpa, which lived all his life in the country.
 
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TLDR but I agree with you OP unless it’s like extreme cases like extremely infamous serial killers / mass murderers but for the most part I totally agree with you.
 
TLDR but I agree with you OP unless it’s like extreme cases like extremely infamous serial killers / mass murderers but for the most part I totally agree with you.
most infamous killers don't get attacked either
As a matter of fact, in Europe, criminal records are in the vast majority of countries not accessible publicly, only the person concerned can ask for it. Unlike USA, criminal records get erased after 1 to 20 years after conviction depending on the crime and punishment. Also, "life sentence" is extremely rarely life, in the vast majority, they are liberated after 10-18 years. In some countries, the maximum sentence is 15 years, referred to as "life".

Saying that, many criminals learn to stay under the radar while committing their crimes, actually in prison, or to mock the system and take advantage of it; some Outer-Europeans which are there for less than 3 years knows better how the system works and use it in their benefit, than a European 80 yo grandpa, which lived all his life in the country.
over 70% of prisoners in america reoffend
Why does it happen more in California?
idk. i just read that it does. there's a lot of gangs in california prisons too. but in many other states, prison "justice" happens less frequently.
 
over 70% of prisoners in america reoffend
Because America is much more policed and strict in many cases than in Europe. You can get far easily arrested. In Europe, especially WE, drug traffickers can be found almost anywhere in a city, the police don't even matter, or they are "zones" in fact ghettos where police very rarely enter, per example.

As I said, criminal records get erased, sometimes, at the end of the sentence, so there is no "officially" recidivism or re-offenders, it's all about stats manipulation, and different rules. You can't compare an apple to an orange.
 
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Because America is much more policed and strict in many cases than in Europe. You can get far easily arrested. In Europe, especially WE, drug traffickers can be found almost anywhere in a city, the police don't even matter, or they are "zones" in fact ghettos where police very rarely enter, per example.
norway is about rehabilitation. and it works
 
People who say stuff like that just wanna act hard, it’s funny.
 
breitbart is unreliable
Then try Wikipedia or just the statistics. Wait for a second, go see it for yourself, it's better. Instead of spreading the false propaganda that the Scandinavian extremely PC and leftists countries want us to believe.

I just want to remind you that Breivik got 21 years in prison, eligible for parole after 14 years, for killing 77 people and injuring hundreds. He has a whole division for himself with Xbox One, big TVs, view on the sea, "donations" from fans, etc. At this point, it's a laugh of a country.
 
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You're counting people who are put in isolation/special housing because they're so at risk. That proves child molesters do get fucked up in prison. The people that don't are kept safe from that either through their crimes being hidden, or being put in special conditions.

also, the reason why inmates hate rapists who rape adults is NOT because inmate hate rape. inmates rape each other a lot. they hate rapists who rape adults because in prison, if you're in there for any sex crime, you're considered a child molester regardless of the crime. even if you are 18 and fucked your 16 year old gf or are in there for indecent exposure and your crimes never involved children, you'd still be hated. if you urinated on a cop, it's a sex crime and you're hated. in prison, any crime categorized as a sex crime is considered bad regardless of the crime. that's the real reason why inmates also hate rapists who rape adults. it has nothing to do with being appalled by rape.

How is this not being appalled by rape? If they hate you for committing sex crimes, that means they're appalled by it.
 
You're counting people who are put in isolation/special housing because they're so at risk. That proves child molesters do get fucked up in prison. The people that don't are kept safe from that either through their crimes being hidden, or being put in special conditions.



How is this not being appalled by rape? If they hate you for committing sex crimes, that means they're appalled by it.
they hate you for sex crimes for a different reason. they hate child molesters because they have this hierarchy of the most and least badass crimes. and they think crimes against children are the least badass because it requires no effort and children are extremely easy to attack, and a lot do it just to virtue signal because many are hated by society for killing, robbing, etc so they beat up child molesters to get some sort of respect from society, and they hate rapists who rape adults because in prison, you're called a child molester if you're arrested for any sex crime, even something like indecent exposure. it has nothing to do with being appalled by sex crimes. that's naive to think.

also, the study included imprisoned sex offenders as a whole. it wasn't a sample of strictly special house/solitary sex offenders. and while inmates hate child molesters, they don't always have the opportunity to attack them and in some prisons, child molesters are shunned instead of attacked. not all prisons are violent and filled with gangs. that's just the high-security prisons
 
info about prison is complex
 
they hate you for sex crimes for a different reason. they hate child molesters because they have this hierarchy of the most and least badass crimes. and they think crimes against children are the least badass because it requires no effort and children are extremely easy to attack, and a lot do it just to virtue signal because many are hated by society for killing, robbing, etc so they beat up child molesters to get some sort of respect from society, and they hate rapists who rape adults because in prison, you're called a child molester if you're arrested for any sex crime, even something like indecent exposure. it has nothing to do with being appalled by sex crimes. that's naive to think.

also, the study included imprisoned sex offenders as a whole. it wasn't a sample of strictly special house/solitary sex offenders. and while inmates hate child molesters, they don't always have the opportunity to attack them and in some prisons, child molesters are shunned instead of attacked. not all prisons are violent and filled with gangs. that's just the high-security prisons

It should be noted, you're talking about prisons in the Netherlands. American prisons are a different story. Second, it not counting strictly prisoners in special housing affirms the point. Even counting prisons that were allegedly nonviolent, and they didn't think the offender needed special housing, when you add up all those prisons attacks and deaths still happened.
 
info about prison is complex
Frankly speaking, many people that should go to prison and fully deserve it, don't even spend a day; while many innocent, honest people, mostly weak persons get sentenced sometimes for years. The law of the strongest is well used by the state itself, to pump up the stats, and feed the tax-payers money criminal system, lawyers and prisons. It's a big business, a mafia as for me.

And in Europe, there are as many different laws, rules, stats, and criminal and prison systems as they are countries, many local and regional differences in this aspect as well; it's difficult to compare in this situation.
 
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It should be noted, you're talking about prisons in the Netherlands. American prisons are a different story. Second, it not counting strictly prisoners in special housing affirms the point. Even counting prisons that were allegedly nonviolent, and they didn't think the offender needed special housing, when you add up all those prisons attacks and deaths still happened.
no it just shows that many inmates don't get the opportunity to attack sex offenders. and i showed examples of famous child molesters/killers who were never killed in prison
True, they’re only rare cases of that happening to people such as Dahmer and Roof.
Dylann Roof was only attacked once anyways

what are the point of these videos?
 
no it just shows that many inmates don't get the opportunity to attack sex offenders. and i showed examples of famous child molesters/killers who were never killed in prison

That's because they're famous. They have that going for them. And if those inmates don't get the opportunity to attack sex offenders, that doesn't mean they don't want to, it just means security was too tight. And security doesn't always work, nor is it always offered.
 
That's because they're famous. They have that going for them. And if those inmates don't get the opportunity to attack sex offenders, that doesn't mean they don't want to, it just means security was too tight. And security doesn't always work, nor is it always offered.
some child molesters are in lower security prisons, which helps protect them. also, jeffrey dahmer got killed in jail so being famous might not be a factor much.
 
some child molesters are in lower security prisons, which helps protect them. also, jeffrey dahmer got killed in jail so being famous might not be a factor much.

Dahmer is famous now, he wasn't famous when he was killed. Not Jared Fogle or Bill Cosby famous. Not a beloved media icon, just a killer.

And some child molesters get sent to nonviolent prisons, like in Amsterdam, but those "child molester friendly" prisons are rare anywhere besides Amsterdam.
 
some child molesters are in lower security prisons, which helps protect them. also, jeffrey dahmer got killed in jail so being famous might not be a factor much.
What's the point of comparing someone like Jeffrey Dahmer that was killed in prison 26 years ago with today's reality? I mean, the world changed so much in a generation. If you speak about Europe, it was a totally different world then.
 

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