Pretty hard to have sympathy for anyone but Westerners

[vic624]

Only Western incels are tragic figures. They are part of the society that created the current technological and economic paradigm yet don't benefit from it. Every other group is fucked because of their own group failings:

• Arabs/Mena/Muslims - culturally ingrained inbreeding made it so they never had a chance at a competitive sexual marketplace
• Africa/India/SEA/Latin America - excess population thanks to mindless Catholicism/Islam telling people to breed without any consideration to offspring's life
• East Asia - just copy Westerners in everything and then wonder why their women go after real Westerners instead of imitators
• Eastern-Euro/Slavs - same IQ as Westerners but corrupt as fuck so can't form societies worth a shit and their women want out

Doesn't matter the race, if you're in the West and have been genetically for generations, you deserve more from the situation your society created. Everyone else is just part of a group too lame to come up with any alternative paradigm.

 

[Dionysus]

nuke the west

 

[Deleted member 19756]

Everyone is in a race towards a dead end. I assume a 1/10 shitskin betabuxxed in the ME has a better life than me. But comparing lives is pointless. I will die as nothing because I came from nothing.

 

[Deleted member 19079]

East Asia - just copy Westerners in everything and then wonder why their women go after real Westerners instead of imitators

what about china and japan? they arent westernized. also sexpats arent even close to being the main cause of inceldom in those countries

 

[zangano1]

I have sympathy for all my fellowcels

 

[vic624]

what about china and japan? they arent westernized. also sexpats arent even close to being the main cause of inceldom in those countries

How is Japan not Western? Their legal system is based on Napoleonic civil law. Their economy is fully part of Western capitalism.

Not saying they're being cucked by sexpats, but high rates of sexless people in Japan is at least partly a result of Japanese men not meeting the ideal male image spread by Western media.

 

[Deleted member 21514]

I have sympathy for all my fellowcels

 

[Deleted member 19079]

Not saying they're being cucked by sexpats, but high rates of sexless people in Japan is at least partly a result of Japanese men not meeting the ideal male image spread by Western media.

this is such a fucking cope. male and female celibacy rates are almost identical in japan so the hypergamy argument is invalid. there are other cultural and economical factors that contribute to the low birth rates there

 

[ThirdWorldcel]

I live in the western hemisphere. Do I count as a westener?

 

[Deleted member 19079]

lets not forget that the west is the biggest source of modern degeneracy lol. in what other continent do women have this much power? what country created tinder and popularized hookup culture? lol @ u acting like the west is a victim

 

[Teutonic Knight]

• Eastern-Euro/Slavs - same IQ as Westerners but corrupt as fuck so can't form societies worth a shit and their women want out

The Western Europe is just as corrupt. Eastern Europe historically simply never had a chance to develop properly because of constant invasions of foreign people.

 

[Deleted member 4159]

The Western Europe is just as corrupt. Eastern Europe historically simply never had a chance to develop properly because of constant invasions of foreign people.

Yes, the only difference is that Western Europe hides its corruption under the veil of "democracy".

 

[SlayerSlayer]

I have the least amount of sympathy for westerners.

 

[Deleted member 17883]

"you non westerners created your own problems. Deal with it"

"we were the first to liberate women, spread Hook up culture and defend women rights globally, but we deserve sympathy"

Fuck you dude.. I hope you die with your west. lol

 

[PPEcel]

"you non westerners created your own problems. Deal with it"

"we were the first to liberate women, spread Hook up culture and defend women rights globally, but we deserve sympathy"

This. OP is an edgy sperg who for some reason uses the word "Western" when he means "white". Most of the ethnics on this forum were born and raised in the West anyway.

We didn't choose to be genetically inferior, quit whining. At least you won't be shot 50 times if you piss off an American cop.

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

Ethnicucks have a point here, if you're going to be the world leader, example setter and culture exporter, then you better make sure you have your shit together and aren't just letting cucks and women dominate your politics to the point that you're spewing gayjew anti-male and pro-degeneracy propaganda to every corner of the earth.

 

[Deleted member 19858]

this is such a fucking cope. male and female celibacy rates are almost identical in japan so the hypergamy argument is invalid. there are other cultural and economical factors that contribute to the low birth rates there

Lol at people still not realizing this.

 

[Deleted member 19079]

Lol at people still not realizing this.

some americunts genuinely believe the world revolves around them. lol @ thinking that the root cause of inceldom in one of the most xenophobic countries in the world is because of their men not being white

 

[DeepSea]

male and female celibacy rates are almost identical in japan

Source? As far as I know, there are no statistics on the rate of incel in Japan. According to this study, 10% of Japanese men and women remain virgins in their 30s, but this information is not very helpful because it doesn't include the 37% of Japanese men who visit prostitutes. And the 10% of Japanese women who are still virgins in their thirties are volcels, unlike most of their male counterparts:

Lower income as well as unstable or no employment were strongly associated with sexual inexperience among men. Although low income and the lack of sexual opportunity may share common determinants, these findings are in line with studies showing that high [27, 28] and stable [27] incomes are important predictors of attractiveness in the [Japanese] mating market, especially for men
Source

Obviously, the problem is not that low-status men in Japan are not interested in sex; it's that Japanese women don't want them. Hypergamy, in other words.

there are other cultural and economical factors that contribute to the low birth rates there

Low birth rates are always caused by female empowerment. Women, not men, are the gateway of reproduction. If the Japanese had not been forced to give their women rights after World War II, they would not have a low birth rate today.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Kurds: no

 

[WawelDragon1683]

nuke the west

 

[happiless]

"you non westerners created your own problems. Deal with it"

"we were the first to liberate women, spread Hook up culture and defend women rights globally, but we deserve sympathy"

Fuck you dude.. I hope you die with your west. lol

nuke the west

 

[Deleted member 8884]

I have sympathy for all my fellowcels

Signature: we should rope

 

[zangano1]

Signature: we should rope

We should tbh

 

[vic624]

If the Japanese had not been forced to give their women rights after World War II, they would not have a low birth rate today.

There's some weird cope where a lot people would rather just think of themselves as genetic shit in absolute terms, rather than just poorly adapted for the current social environment. If Japan was still an isolated island in the North Pacific, it's people would have never developed mass inceldom. It's only with modern integration of societies, especially mass intercultural interaction since the internet, that causes unfair expectations of men.

 

[littlemanhikicel]

nuke the west

 

[Deleted member 17724]

Everyone outside of the west can get a betabux marriage and doesn't deserve to post here. I'm fucking pissed off about the ME-faggots that post here because I've seen with my own eyes how easy it is to get married in an Islamic country. All of my relatives in my parents' homeland are sub-8, some are balding manlets, yet they still got married and had kids.
The only exception is if you live in Latin-America because they're as degenerate as the west and don't really have any deeply ingrained traditional system but if you live in any other part of the third world, you're a fakecel.

 

[ElliotRodgerGod]

I have sympathy for all my fellowcels

 

[Deleted member 19079]

Source? As far as I know, there are no statistics on the rate of incel in Japan. According to this study, 10% of Japanese men and women remain virgins in their 30s, but this information is not very helpful because it doesn't include the 37% of Japanese men who visit prostitutes. And the 10% of Japanese women who are still virgins in their thirties are volcels, unlike most of their male counterparts:


Obviously, the problem is not that low-status men in Japan are not interested in sex; it's that Japanese women don't want them. Hypergamy, in other words.



Low birth rates are always caused by female empowerment. Women, not men, are the gateway of reproduction. If the Japanese had not been forced to give their women rights after World War II, they would not have a low birth rate today.

the difference amounts to 1-3% tops, if you want to make the argument for hypergamy, sure, but it doesn't add up in a large scale

 

[Marquis de Sade]

I live in the western hemisphere. Do I count as a westener?

Depends: if your in a modern developed country made up of white European citizens with a strong advanced economy then yes.

 

[-EndlessVirginity-]

Only Western incels are tragic figures. They are part of the society that created the current technological and economic paradigm yet don't benefit from it. Every other group is fucked because of their own group failings
Doesn't matter the race, if you're in the West and have been genetically for generations, you deserve more from the situation your society created. Everyone else is just part of a group too lame to come up with any alternative paradigm.

You have shit instead of brains if you think certain people deserve to suffer for the mistakes of the generations that came before them.

 

[vic624]

You have shit instead of brains if you think certain people deserve to suffer for the mistakes of the generations that came before them.

Are you religious or something? What do you think people are if not a result of generations that came before them? You must think each person has a randomly assigned "soul" or some shit.

 

[DeepSea]

the difference amounts to 1-3% tops, if you want to make the argument for hypergamy, sure, but it doesn't add up in a large scale

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If the fact that self-reported virginity rates are similar for both sexes is to be taken as evidence against hypergamy, then there is no hypergamy on a large scale in the US either.

The CDC reports that virgins make up 12.3 percent of females and 14.3 percent of males aged 20 to 24. That number drops below 5 percent for both male and female virgins aged 25 to 29 and goes as low as 0.3 percent for virgins aged 40 to 44.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/03/on-late-in-life-virginity-loss/284412/

There are statistics showing that young women are much more likely to be sexually active than young men and tend to date up in looks, money, and status, so hypergamy obviously does exist in the West in spite of self-reported virginity rates being more or less equal.

The virginity rate has very little to do with hypergamy. You only need to have sex once in order not to be a virgin anymore. Anyone can have sex with a prostitute, including ugly and low status men. If a 4/10 guy gets lucky one day and sleeps with a 2/10 woman, he's not a virgin any more and by your logic he becomes part of the demographic of men that "refutes" the existence of hypergamy, even though the 2/10 woman was being hypergamous by choosing to sleep with someone above her level. Anyone who is not incel-tier or autistic and spends a lot of time and energy socializing and pandering to women can get lucky at least occasionally.

In Japan, low status men, but not low status women, are most likely to be virgins. This itself is solid evidence for the existence of hypergamy. Japanese men are less physically attractive on average than Western men and less extroverted, so the percentage of men who can take advantage of these traits to attract women is lower in Japan than in the West. Because the men are uglier and more introverted, average women are even more hesitant to settle for men on their own looks level than is the case in the West.

 

[virgin4life]

Only Western incels are tragic figures. They are part of the society that created the current technological and economic paradigm yet don't benefit from it. Every other group is fucked because of their own group failings:

• Arabs/Mena/Muslims - culturally ingrained inbreeding made it so they never had a chance at a competitive sexual marketplace
• Africa/India/SEA/Latin America - excess population thanks to mindless Catholicism/Islam telling people to breed without any consideration to offspring's life
• East Asia - just copy Westerners in everything and then wonder why their women go after real Westerners instead of imitators
• Eastern-Euro/Slavs - same IQ as Westerners but corrupt as fuck so can't form societies worth a shit and their women want out

Doesn't matter the race, if you're in the West and have been genetically for generations, you deserve more from the situation your society created. Everyone else is just part of a group too lame to come up with any alternative paradigm.

True. My grandfathers fought at war for this hell hole and I am an going to die a fucking (or not fucking rather) virgin.

 

[Neverbeentouchedcel]

what about china and japan? they arent westernized. also sexpats arent even close to being the main cause of inceldom in those countries

Japan is pretty western tbh ngl.

 

[Sexdoll Pioneer]

what (((((tribe))))) created tinder and popularized hookup culture?

FIFY

 

[Deleted member 19079]

If self-reported virginity rates being similar for both sexes is to be taken as evidence against hypergamy, then there is no hypergamy on a large scale in the US either.



There are statistics showing that young women are much more likely to be sexually active than young men and tend to date up in looks, money, and status, so hypergamy obviously does exist in the West in spite of self-reported virginity rates being more or less equal.

The virginity rate has little to do with hypergamy. You only need to have sex once in order not to be a virgin anymore. Anyone can have sex with a prostitute, including ugly and low status men. If a 4/10 guy gets lucky one day and sleeps with a 2/10 woman, he's not a virgin any more and by your logic he becomes part of the demographic of men that "refutes" the existence of hypergamy, even though the 2/10 woman clearly made a hypergamous decision by sleeping with him. Anyone who is not incel-tier or autistic and spends a lot of time and energy socializing and pandering to women can get lucky at least occasionally.

In Japan, low status men, but not low status women, are most likely to be virgins. This itself is solid evidence for the existence of hypergamy. Japanese men are less physically attractive on average than Western men and less extroverted, so the percentage of men who can take advantage of these traits to attract women is lower in Japan than in the West. Because the men are uglier and more introverted, average women are even more hesitant to settle for men on their own looks level than is the case in the West.

im not saying that hypergamy doesn't exist at all, im saying that it is not the main cause of the fertility problem there. notice how the fertility rate is much higher in the US even though hypergamy is worse there than it is in japan.

i didnt read through your article (sorry i have a low attention span) but im pretty sure celibacy rates between genders in the us differ much more than that

Low birth rates are always caused by female empowerment. Women, not men, are the gateway of reproduction. If the Japanese had not been forced to give their women rights after World War II, they would not have a low birth rate today.

if low birth rates are directly casued by female empowerment then why is the fertility rate higher in the us where women have much more social standing? it would be stupid to deny that there are cultural and economical factors that affect the fertility rates in japan. real estate + living costs are amongst the highest globally. and on top of that, its the norm for white collar workers there to have 10+ hour days. this alone is enough to deter any rational human to have children

 

[The Abyss]

How is Japan not Western? Their legal system is based on Napoleonic civil law. Their economy is fully part of Western capitalism.

Not saying they're being cucked by sexpats, but high rates of sexless people in Japan is at least partly a result of Japanese men not meeting the ideal male image spread by Western media.

When the Japanese lost ww2 they lost the majority of their brutal warrior men & thus bitches were no longer kept in line. Now all they have are pack mules working to death to provide & creepy otakus that know it was over before it began & thus retreat into fictional 2d waifu headspace.

im not saying that hypergamy doesn't exist at all, im saying that it is not the main cause of the fertility problem there. notice how the fertility rate is much higher in the US even though hypergamy is worse there than it is in japan.

i didnt read through your article (sorry i have a low attention span) but im pretty sure celibacy rates between genders in the us differ much more than that
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if low birth rates are directly casued by female empowerment then why is the fertility rate higher in the us where women have much more social standing? it would be stupid to deny that there are cultural and economical factors that affect the fertility rates in japan. real estate + living costs are amongst the highest globally. and on top of that, its the norm for white collar workers there to have 10+ hour days. this alone is enough to deter any rational human to have children

Much of the birthrate in US is accredited to Hispanics & blacks. Reasons can be welfare benefits, stupid bitches preferring the feel of rawdog, financially fleecing a man for 18 years & secretly passing off chads kid as her husbands/bfs.

 

[Wiseman]

lets not forget that the west is the biggest source of modern degeneracy lol. in what other continent do women have this much power? what country created tinder and popularized hookup culture? lol @ u acting like the west is a victim

some americunts genuinely believe the world revolves around them. lol @ thinking that the root cause of inceldom in one of the most xenophobic countries in the world is because of their men not being white

 

[omnilet]

"you non westerners created your own problems. Deal with it"

"we were the first to liberate women, spread Hook up culture and defend women rights globally, but we deserve sympathy"

Fuck you dude.. I hope you die with your west. lol

 

[Player]

Eastern-Euro/Slavs - same IQ as Westerners but corrupt as fuck so can't form societies worth a shit and their women want out

Oh, don't worry, when democrates win, USA will become just like USSR or Brazil in no time. Then we will speak about corruption.

"you non westerners created your own problems. Deal with it"

"we were the first to liberate women, spread Hook up culture and defend women rights globally, but we deserve sympathy"

Fuck you dude.. I hope you die with your west. lol

nuke the west

I have sympathy for all my fellowcels

 

[DeepSea]

im not saying that hypergamy doesn't exist at all, im saying that it is not the main cause of the fertility problem there. notice how the fertility rate is much higher in the US even though hypergamy is worse there than it is in japan.

The birth rate in the United States is only 20% higher. Both countries have below replacement birth rates. I doubt it's easier for an ugly Japanese man to get a girlfriend than for an ugly American man.

if low birth rates are directly casued by female empowerment then why is the fertility rate higher in the us where women have much more social standing?

Japanese women are just as educated as American women and are more likely to have university degrees than Japanese men. There are more ugly men in Japan than in the United States, and fewer fat/ugly women, so less Japanese women end up settling down and marrying than American women. If women weren't allowed to pursue an education and a career, they would become more dependent on men and less picky.

it would be stupid to deny that there are cultural and economical factors that affect the fertility rates in japan. real estate + living costs are amongst the highest globally. and on top of that, its the norm for white collar workers there to have 10+ hour days. this alone is enough to deter any rational human to have children

Some of these factors play a minor role, but the main reason why the Japanese birthrate is low is because Japanese women waste their youth pursuing an education and a career and infinitely delay having children. All countries that empower women have sub-replacement fertility rates. There are no exceptions. Switzerland, which is sparsely populated and does not have a workaholic culture, has an even lower birthrate than Japan. The more educated a woman is, the less likely she is to want to have children and the more picky when it comes to finding a partner. In terms of hours worked per week, the Japanese work less than Americans. Only a small percentage of Japanese companies expect their workers to work more than than 30 hours of unpaid overtime per month.

In the 1800s, many American men worked seventy hours or more per week, and they still managed to have lots of children because they didn't empower women. It doesn't take much time or effort to impregnate a woman.

 

[Deleted member 19079]

I doubt it's easier for an ugly Japanese man to get a girlfriend than for an ugly American man.

self explanatory

Japanese women are just as educated as American women and are more likely to have university degrees than Japanese men. There are more ugly men in Japan than in the United States, and fewer fat/ugly women

idk where you got your stats from but no, more men go to university than women. source the opposite is true for the us. and the marriage rate is higher in japan than it is in the us source 1 source 2. if we're referring to strictly genetic potential, japanese men are uglier, but so are their women. a simple search on humanphenotypes.net can attest to that

Some of these factors play a minor role, but the main reason why the Japanese birthrate is low is because Japanese women waste their youth pursuing an education and a career and infinitely delay having children. All countries that empower women have sub-replacement fertility rates. There are no exceptions. Switzerland, which is sparsely populated and does not have a workaholic culture, has an even lower birthrate than Japan. The more educated a woman is, the less likely she is to want to have children and the more picky when it comes to finding a partner. In terms of hours worked per week, the Japanese work less than Americans. Only a small percentage of Japanese companies expect their workers to work more than than 30 hours of unpaid overtime per month.

In the 1800s, many American men worked seventy hours or more per week, and they still managed to have lots of children because they didn't empower women. It doesn't take much time or effort to impregnate a woman.

I can agree with this